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Absol

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by TrollFreak, Jan 17, 2012.

  1. TrollFreak

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    [Overview]

    <p>Absol is an absolute powerhouse in the NU metagame. With base 130 Attack and a wonderful priority attack in Sucker Punch, Absol is a threat to just about every team. It is also one of the most unpredictable Pokemon in the tier, and with options that range from a Swords Dance set to a Choice Band one, beating it is problematic. To make Absol even harder to beat, it has a high critical hit ratio, thanks to its ability, Super Luck, making opposing Pokemon scared to switch into Absol. However, Absol does have it faults, and the main one is its Speed. With a mediocre base 75 Speed stat, it has to rely on Sucker Punch to hit faster opponents, which is predictable and gives the opponent time to set up. A Choice Scarf fixes this to an extent, but without the power boost, Absol won't be hitting as hard. Nevertheless, don't underestimate the Disaster Pokemon, as its pure power alone is enough to let it sweep.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Swords Dance
    move 1: Swords Dance
    move 2: Sucker Punch
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: Night Slash / Psycho Cut
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Super Luck
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 152 HP / 252 Atk / 104 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With a sky high base 130 Attack stat, Absol is a great user of Swords Dance. Setting up with Absol is simple; just switch into a Pokemon that Absol can scare off, and then set up a Swords Dance. After one turn of set up, Absol has 788 Attack; couple this with a STAB Sucker Punch, and Absol becomes a menace on the field. Superpower gives Absol much needed coverage, as it allows it to hit Steel-type Pokemon, such as Probopass and Bastiodon, which resist Absol’s Dark-type STAB. As stated before in the Overview, Pokemon can set up on Absol as it uses Sucker Punch. Therefore, Night Slash is used as another STAB option, and thanks to Absol’s ability Super Luck, critical hits will happen often. Psycho Cut can also work, as it hits Fighting-type Pokemon, such as Gurdurr, harder.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>A Life Orb is used with this set to guarantee that Absol will hit as hard as possible after a Swords Dance, thus making a sweep easier to pull off. Another option is to use 29 HP IVs, which makes Absol take less recoil from Life Orb. A Lum Berry can also be used to make Absol avoid status-inducing moves, such as Spore from Amoonguss and Thunder Wave from Probopass. The EV spread allows Absol to outpace Adamant Torterra while still retaining its attacking power through the use of an Adamant nature. However, an EV spread of 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe can also be used to make sure Absol outpaces more things; this spread works better with a Jolly Nature. Super Luck is preferred over Pressure or Justified because of the increase in the chance of getting critical hits, which can be game-changing.</p>

    <p>Dispite the power of Swords Dance, Absol still needs support. Entry hazard support works well with Absol, as it weakens opposing Pokemon, making its job easier. Also, Thunder Wave support is nice, letting Absol outpace Pokemon it normally couldn't. Therefore, Probopass is a great partner for Absol, as it not only provides Thunder Wave support, but Stealth Rock support as well, which can help weaken the opposing team. Amoonguss also makes a great partner, being resistant to Fighting and able to use Spore or Stun Spore to cripple faster Pokemon, making it easier for Absol to sweep. Offensively, Sawk, Emboar, and other Fighting-type Pokemon are good partners, as they get rid of Steel-type Pokemon; Absol can get rid of Psychic-type Pokemon in return. Bulkier variants of Substitute + Calm Mind Mesprit also pair well with Absol, as Mesprit easily sets up on or flat-out KOes Pokemon that handle Absol, such as Gurdurr, Weezing, Quagsire; Mesprit is also a very powerful threat in its own right. Absol also helps deal with faster Pokemon that bother Mesprit. Mesprit can use almost every defensive method used to handle Absol to its advantage to set up and sweep, making it a great partner. Misdreavus deals with Fighting-types, who are a problem to Absol, and it can also use Heal Bell to cure Absol from status. Lastly, using Absol in a Fighting / Dark / Psychic or Ghost core is effective as well, as they are becoming more and more common and effective in the NU metagame.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Substitute + Swords Dance
    move 1: Swords Dance
    move 2: Substitute
    move 3: Sucker Punch
    move 4: Superpower
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Super Luck
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 152 HP / 252 Atk / 104 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set plays similarly to the Swords Dance set, except that it utilizes Substitute to stay on the field longer, which makes it easier to set up and gives Absol more opportunities to use Sucker Punch. Just like the Swords Dance set, you should force a switch and set up either a Substitute or a Swords Dance, depending on the situation, to begin a sweep. Once Absol is behind a Substitute, the opponent will be forced to attack Absol, making it easier to use Sucker Punch. Absol will also have an easier time setting up Swords Dance, which is crucial as Absol needs to boost its power to sweep properly. Superpower is used for coverage, as it allows Absol to hit Pokemon such as Probopass, Bastiodon, and Stunktank, who can easily take a Sucker Punch.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Absol can again use Psycho Cut over Superpower to nail Weezing, Sawk, and Throh. Leftovers is used since it allows Absol to make more Substitutes, which is what this set plays around. While the given EV spread is recommended, as it gives Absol's subs a little more bulk, Absol can also use an EV spread of 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe, which allows Absol to outpace more Pokemon with a Jolly nature. However, this means that Absol can make less Substitutes, and said Substitutes will have less bulk, so it isn't recommended unless Absol needs to outspeed specific threats to your team.</p>

    <p>Like the Swords Dance set, support is needed to wear the opponent down, making it easier to get behind a Substitute. Like every other sweeper, entry hazards make Absol cry out with joy. Probopass not only sets up Stealth Rock for Absol, but it can also use Thunder Wave to slow opposing Pokemon down, making it easier for Absol to set up. Amoonguss again makes a great partner, as it can use Spore to make an opposing Pokemon worthless, increasing Absol's chances of setting up. Weezing makes a great partner as well, as it is resistant to Bug and Fighting and can also use Will-O-Wisp to cripple opposing physical attacks, making Absol's Substitutes bulkier. Misdreavus also works, as it can also take care of Fighting-type Pokemon and use Will-O-Wisp to cripple opposing teams. Lastly, using Absol in a Fighting / Dark / Psychic or Ghost core is effective, as each Pokemon can take care of each other's weaknesses.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Pursuit
    move 2: Superpower
    move 3: Night Slash
    move 4: Sucker Punch / Psycho Cut
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Super Luck
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 68 HP / 252 Atk / 188 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Unlike the previous sets, this set works by fixing Absol's Speed issue by using a Choice Scarf. This set makes for a great surprise factor, as it hits Pokemon such as Mesprit which wouldn't attack predicting a Sucker Punch. It also makes for a great revenge killer, as base 130 Attack is nothing to play around with. The main merit of using a Choice set is the use of Pursuit, which would nail common Pokemon that would switch out in fear of Absol, such as Exeggutor and Haunter. This makes switching out on Absol really tricky, as a STAB Pursuit hits very hard. Superpower is used alongside Absol's Dark typing to hit the Steel- and Dark-type Pokemon that are resistant to its Dark-type STAB. Night Slash gives Absol an attack to use when not using Pursuit, which is greatly appreciated, especially with Super Luck for an ability. The move used in the last slot depends on what Absol needs to accomplish. Sucker Punch gives Absol a third Dark-type attack, and you can also use it to bluff a Choice Band set, fooling the opponent into a false sense of security. It also hits Pokemon such as Gorebyss and Huntail after they use Shell Smash, since Absol would be outsped. Psycho Cut is used to hit Emboar, Machoke and non-Choice Scarf variants of Sawk.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread allows Absol to hit 384 Speed with a Choice Scarf, making it able to outpace Swellow, one of the fastest threats in NU. If using an Adamant nature, however, it can't outspeed Swellow, so a spread of 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe works fine as well. Megahorn can be used over Pursuit to hit Grass-type Pokemon harder, though you lose out on the main niche of using a Choice set. Support-wise, the Choice Scarf set needs more support than the Sword Dance sets, as Absol can't switch its moves. Since this variant of Absol uses a Jolly nature instead of an Adamant one, entry hazard support is needed to let Absol deal more damage. Garbodor makes a great partner for this set, as it can set up Spikes and Toxic Spikes; it also resists Bug and Fighting. Probopass also works, as it provides Stealth Rock support and has access to Thunder Wave to cripple faster Choice Scarf users, such as Sawk. Misdreavus also provides burn support to let Absol take more hits. Weezing does the same, except it resists, but isn't immune to, Fighting. Using Absol in a Fighting / Dark / Psychic or Ghost core is effective, as each Pokemon can take care of each other's weaknesses, making it a great idea for Choice Scarf variants of Absol.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Sucker Punch
    move 2: Pursuit
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: Night Slash
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Super Luck
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 152 HP / 252 Atk / 104 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Unlike the Choice Scarf set, Absol's Choice Band set makes it a great wallbreaker, as the instant power it revives via Choice Band rips holes in even the bulkiest of Pokemon. Equipped with a Choice Band, Absol hits 991 Attack, and with priority, Absol shows what it takes to be a great Choice Bander. Like the Choice Scarf set, one of the main merits is using Pursuit to nail Pokemon that attempt to switch out, such as Ghost- and Psychic-type Pokemon. Sucker Punch is used to nail faster threats such as Swellow and Rapidash. Superpower makes sure Pokemon such as Probopass and Bastiodon don't wall the set, and it also hits Pokemon such as Sawk and Gurdurr hard, which is useful since both Pokemon are resistant to Sucker Punch. Night Slash is a solid STAB move that doesn't require the opponent to attack like Sucker Punch, or the opponent to switch to deal more damage like Pursuit. Also, Super Luck gives Absol an increased chance that Night Slash will get a critical hit.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Absol can again use Psycho Cut over Superpower to nail Weezing, Sawk and Throh. Megahorn can also be used, as it hits the numerous Grass-type Pokemon in the tier harder. While the given EV spread is recommended as it gives Absol enough Speed to outpace Adamant Torterra, Absol can also use an EV spread of 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe with a Jolly nature to outpace more Pokemon. However, this means that Absol is a little less bulky, and a Jolly nature strips away some of Choice Band Absol's power. Therefore, it is only recommended if a specific Pokemon needs to be outsped for your team.

    <p>Like any Pokemon with a choice item, Choice Band Absol needs support to work. Like the other sets, entry hazards and status support are appreciated for Absol, as it can use the hazards to build up more damage on the opponent. Garbodor makes a great partner for Absol, as it resists Bug and Fighting, and can also set up Spikes and Toxic Spikes. It also has Body Slam to spread paralysis. Probopass also works, as it provides Stealth Rock support and has access to Thunder Wave to cripple faster Pokemon and Choice Scarf users, such as Sawk, Rapidash and Tauros. Misdreavus and Weezing also provide Will-O-Wisp support to make Absol take more hits, and both of them can switch into Fighting-type attacks easily. Finally, like every variant of Absol, a Fighting / Dark / Psychic or Ghost core is effective since each Pokemon can take care of each other's weaknesses, making it a great idea for Choice Band variants of Absol.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Outside of the options listed in the four sets above, Absol still has more options. With Calm Mind, Swords Dance, Hone Claws, and Mean Look, Absol can work as a Baton Passer. Will-O-Wisp and Taunt are supportive options that can catch the opponent off guard; Taunt is especially useful as it forces the opponent to attack, making Sucker Punch much easier to pull off. Replacing Swords Dance for Psycho Cut on an All-Out Attacking set can work, as it means that Absol can switch attacks freely while being able to run both Night Slash and Psycho Cut on the same set. Zen Headbutt can be used over Psycho Cut, though the shaky accuracy makes it frowed upon in comparison of Psycho Cut, which has an increased critical hit ratio thanks to Super Luck. Zen Headbutt, however, can flinch the opponent, so it still provides some use.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Absol, a Pokemon with base 130 Attack and great priority in Sucker Punch, is one of the hardest Pokemon to check in the entire NU metagame. However, there are some Pokemon that do a decent job. Tangela is incredibly physically bulky and can tank 2 Sucker Punches or Night Slashes, and can break Substitutes with Giga Drain and cripple Absol with Stun Spore or Sleep Powder. Gurdurr is another great Pokemon to use as an Absol check, as it can tank any attack from Absol other than a Choice Banded Psycho Cut without getting 2HKOed, and retaliate with Mach Punch and Drain Punch, each nabbing OHKOs. Sawk is also a good check, but it must be wary of Psycho Cut and a Choice Band-boosted Superpower. Weezing can use Will-O-Wisp to cut Absol's Attack in half, but Lum Berry variants of Absol beat Weezing, especially those with Psycho Cut. Murkrow has priority FeatherDance; however, it must be careful when it uses Roost, as a Superpower will destroy it after Roost removes Murkrow's Flying-type. Defensive Rotom-S can take a Night Slash and cripple Absol with a Thunder Wave or a Will-O-Wisp; however, like Weezing, it must be wary of Lum Berry variants of Absol.</p>
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    Substitute should be in the first set somewhere, as it allows Absol to set up easier and goes well with Sucker Punch.

    Also, the check/counters section needs a bit of work. I don't think Sawk should get first mention, as it loses to Substitutes variants if it switches into Absol as its using Sub, and if SR is up it's OHKO'd by Band Absol's Superpower. Tangela and Gurdurr deserve a mention; Tangela is incredibly physically bulky and can tank 2 Sucker Punches and break the Substitute; (252Atk Life Orb Absol (+Atk) Sucker Punch vs 252HP/252Def Eviolite Tangela (+Def): 24% - 29% (81 - 97 HP). Guaranteed 5HKO.) Gurdurr can tank pretty much any attack from Absol other than CB Psycho Cut without getting 2HKO'd and KO back with Mach Punch / Drain Punch. (252Atk Life Orb Absol (+Atk) Psycho Cut vs 252HP/0Def Eviolite Gurdurr (Neutral): 44% - 52% (166 - 196 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO. 7% chance to 2HKO.)
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    ^So SD is never used?

    At the Sucker Punch mention in the first set, you can't mention STAB and the Base Power of said move AFTER calculating STAB together. Either call it a STAB 80 Base Power move or a 120 Base Power move after STAB, but not how it's put there right now.
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    I think Night Slash should be the primary slash over Psycho Cut on the SD set. You really need it to keep shit like Mesprit/Misdreavus/Gardevoir/etc from statusing you or setting up on you.

    Also Psycho Cut loses some utility because most fighting types are either scarfed (Sawk, Emboar) or have Mach Punch (Gurdurr). I guess it's good for Throh but a +2 Superpower will OHKO him 75% of the time if he hasn't bulked up anyway.
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    Sub SD should be the pimary set imo. It's really one of Absol's best sets right now
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    Night Slash should always be the main option over Psycho Cut (just switch the slashes). Lum Berry can go to AC. You'll also want to mention dropping down to 84 Spe for Misdreavus on the SD set, giving you the ability to take a hit and not really costing you anything.
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    Adamant Torterra is a better benchmark, since the NU Misdreavus analysis runs 24 Speed EVs, so 84 Spe Absol cannot outspeed it and Absol attempting to outspeed 24 Spe Misdreavus would be considered speed creep.

    Adamant Torterra hits 211 Speed, so Absol's Swords Dance set should either run 104 Speed EVs or 252 Speed EVs, in order to avoid speed creep.

    Also, I'd unslash Adamant on the Choice Scarf set, as any Scarfed Pokemon needs to be faster than Swellow, the fastest unboosted Pokemon in the tier, bar (rofl) Electrode.

    Choice Band is probably OO at best, since choiced Sucker Punch just invites set-up sweepers and Trick Room users to come in and set up on you, and that could very well cost you the game.
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    This makes sense.

    Pursuit needs to be emphasised more on the Choice sets - it's largely why you're using them.
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    Changed the Ev Speads of the SD Set

    Added a Sub+SD set

    Fixed the Night Slash > Psycho Cut

    Added Gurdurr and Tangela

    imo, it still has the ability to hit very hard, and being locked into Sucker Punch does suck, so you should be careful when locking your self into it
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    Could Scope Lens be a possibility on the SD set? I use it and it gives that lovely 50% Crit chance on Night Slash/Psycho Cut, which is absol-utely great for slower boosting opponents, although there aren't many Pokemon that would fit this. But just in general that Crit chance is great
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    Why does it say on the SubSD set's additional comments that Life Orb = more subs. It should say that Life Orb = less subs.
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    Or Leftovers = more subs
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    Whoops, my mistake
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    On the CB Set, switch the 3rd and 4th moves. If you aren't slashing anything with Superpower then it should go third. Also you need to mention more offensive partners when you do write this, since Absol can get rid of Psychic-types and Misdreavus or keep them in check for the entire match, Sawk and Emboar and Pinsir and things like that are good partners. Also mention things like Misdreavus because Misdreavus can deal with Fighting-types which are a problem. In addition you need some mentions of Fighting/Dark/Psychic or Ghost cores because they are becoming more and more common.
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    Fixed and made changes
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    QC 2/3

    get it its black and absol is a black mon.....

    >_>
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    Wait a second, what is going on here? Why does SubSD get its own set? It should be slashed behind Night Slash (but ahead of Psycho Cut) on the SD set - Leftovers can go on there as well.

    [SET]
    name: Swords Dance
    move 1: Swords Dance
    move 2: Sucker Punch
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: Night Slash / Substitute / Psycho Cut
    item: Life Orb / Leftovers
    ability: Super Luck
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 152 HP / 252 Atk / 104 Spe

    I would probably be more comfortable having 252 / 252 Adamant as the main spread, with the bulkier one in AC (max Speed does let you outspeed Miltank, Gorebyss and Emboar, among others).
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    Fixed, and i think keeping the current spread works fine
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    Because Ice-Eyes, subSD works totally differently than straight up SD. SD is meant to just smash holes in teams fast with no regards to longetivity. SubSD is meant to stick around a bit longer and be able to deal with some things that fuck with Absol like Misdreavus and Mesprit. I think it should be changed back.
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    I don't really like Psycho Cut being slashed, Superpower hits nearly as hard as a super effective Psycho Cut, and I'd rather have Substitute or Night Slash in its place. The AC seems like a better place for it.
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    Tennis basically said everything I was going to. The functionality is completely different. Definitely shouldn't be put together
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    made changes after talking with Tennis

    Log (open)

    20:36 TrollFreak Tennis
    20:36 TrollFreak about Absol
    20:36 tennisace yep
    20:36 TrollFreak keep Sub + SD
    20:36 TrollFreak or ditch it
    20:36 tennisace yes definitely keep
    20:36 TrollFreak bcos so much people
    20:36 tennisace do not listen to noob ice-eyes
    20:36 TrollFreak like Ice-eyes
    20:36 TrollFreak lol
    20:36 TrollFreak kk then
    20:36 TrollFreak and Psycho Cut
    20:36 TrollFreak keep or ditch?
    20:37 TrollFreak Omircon brought it up
    20:37 tennisace ditch
    20:37 TrollFreak I don't really like Psycho Cut being slashed, Superpower hits nearly as hard as a super effective Psycho Cut, and I'd rather have Substitute or Night Slash in its place. The AC seems like a better place for it.
    20:37 TrollFreak kk
    20:37 TrollFreak AC
    20:37 TrollFreak or ditch completly
    20:37 tennisace actually stop
    20:37 tennisace wait
    20:37 TrollFreak kk
    20:37 tennisace yeah just revert it
    20:38 tennisace to what it was before
    20:38 TrollFreak kk
    20:38 tennisace two different sets
    20:38 TrollFreak keep Sub + SD
    20:38 tennisace yes
    20:38 tennisace sub + sd
    20:38 TrollFreak ditch Psycho Cut, use in AC
    20:38 tennisace then SD
    20:38 tennisace yep
    20:38 TrollFreak and same spread
    20:38 tennisace exactly
    20:38 tennisace yep!
    20:38 TrollFreak
    20:38 tennisace sub sd should be lefties
    20:38 tennisace like you had it
    20:38 TrollFreak kk, will do after i'm done GPing Ninjask
    20:38 TrollFreak thanks alot
    20:38 tennisace np
    20:59 TrollFreak on scarf
    20:59 TrollFreak keep Psycho Cut?
    20:59 TrollFreak nothing is slashed next to it
    20:59 tennisace y
    20:59 TrollFreak idk
    20:59 TrollFreak noting is slashed next to it
    20:59 TrollFreak and Sucker Punch w/ Scarf is dumb as hell
    21:00 tennisace its actually not
    21:00 tennisace since you can't outspeed +2 gory
    21:00 TrollFreak kk
    21:00 TrollFreak so get rid of Psycho Cut
    21:00 TrollFreak and use Sucker Punch
    21:00 tennisace slash sucker punch in front
    21:01 TrollFreak kk
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    OK, that makes sense - but I'd still like to see the Life Orb SD set as the first option. Sucker Punch is so much more powerful that it makes a far better revenge killer and more threatening sweeper. It's also much more common than SubSD, in my experience.

    Leftovers Sucker Punch does much less damage, for example, to Gorebyss. It misses out on taking down Braviary and Magmortar without a boost. It loses to Alomomola. Without Night Slash, Absol is arguably easier to set up on, especially for things like Mesprit.
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    So much confusing points, what do i do ?!?!?!?

    Ok, moving LO SD to main option

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