Hey guys, as some of you may know, I've been really into ADV NU lately because it is ridiculously addictive and fun. I've actually been putting a ton of research and effort into fleshing out the metagame and playing around with some things. What has led me to making this thread is I want to re-tier a couple of Pokemon, to which I'm sure there will be few qualms, but I kinda want to do it for the sake of representing things correctly. For those unfamiliar with ADV NU, this is the current tierlist based off of what Project NU and later PO tried to do for the metagame (Smogon's current tierlist is waaaaay off of what the tier is currently, but I aim to fix that once editing of the Dex becomes functional again): Hide (Move your mouse to the hide area to reveal the content) Show Hide Hide Hide Aipom Ariados Beautifly Beedrill Bellossom Butterfree Cacturne Castform Chimecho Corsola Crawdaunt Delcatty Delibird Dewgong Ditto Dustox Farfetch'd Flareon Glalie Hitmonchan Huntail Illumise Kecleon Kingler Ledian Lickitung Luvdisc Magcargo Masquerain Mawile Mightyena Minun Murkrow Noctowl Nosepass Parasect Pelipper Pidgeot Piloswine Plusle Raticate Relicanth Roselia Seaking Seviper Spinda Sudowoodo Sunflora Swalot Tangela Togetic Tropius Unown Venomoth Volbeat Wailord Whiscash Wigglytuff A major thing to take note of is that PO banned all NFEs from the tier, which I don't agree with at all. Looking into it a bit more, it seems that user coyote and whoever else was involved didn't like dealing with Pupitar and Haunter, and so they banned all NFEs. Which besides being a dumb thing to do, Pupitar and Haunter aren't even broken from what I've seen so far playing with them. In any case, the following NFEs are banned though: Chansey, Kadabra, and Scyther. For those unfamiliar with playing the tier at all, I have a few resources you can use to get into the meta: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/adv-nu-threatlist-gp-2-2.3498510/ http://www.smogon.com/forums/forums/rby-gsc-adv.147/ (the only mons I haven't gotten to are a couple NFEs) Now, onto the point of the thread. There are a few Pokemon not on the above NU tierlist that are currently sitting in UU that I feel should be NU. These Pokemon being extremely useless and, from what I can tell, not even used in the UU environment. The other caveat being that they don't also break the NU metagame. I would like to see the following listed as NU: Arbok Dunsparce Octillery Sableye Shedinja Shuckle Yanma Of those Pokemon, the only one I think sees any kind of use in UU maybe is Shedinja, and that's only on semi-gimmick teams since Spikes are everywhere. Octillery, Sableye, Shuckle, and Yanma don't even provide NU with any kind of niche or usefulness from what I can tell (Octillery being a decent BP receiver I suppose and Yanma having a mediocre Reversal set (it's still outclassed by Raticate and Kingler there)). Arbok though is interesting, as it provides an offensive check to Hitmonchan, as well as a semi-reliable check to other Choice Banders like Pidgeot and Kingler, while remaining countered by the myriad of Rock-types in the tier, as well as Piloswine, Mawile, and Chimecho. Dunsparce is also kind cool in that it's actually more physically defensive than Lickitung and can spread paralysis very well, but doesn't do much beyond that. Shedinja and Sableye provide some depth in the Ghost department, but are still largely outclassed by Haunter in what they set out to do (spinblock Hitmonchan). Anyway, thoughts? Any other mons that should be moved down due to being completely useless in the UU environment without breaking the NU meta? Also as a note, nothing needs to be moved out of NU due to power or anything, it's actually extremely balanced, which is part of what makes it so fun lol.