how does leftovers help? it's max hp is 1. and milti-hit moves won't do a thing. basically it's completely invincible to direct attacks w/o mold breaker. give it goggles and it's close to invincible (they don't stop toxic but still)
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Alphability ORAS [Check Post #232]
- Thread starter Level 51
- Start date
Weezing @ Black Sludge / Air Balloon
Trait: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Sludge Bomb
- Taunt / Haze
- Pain Split
Level 51 completely wrecked me with this thing, not hard to see why. Wonder Guard Weezing only has 2 weaknesses which means the only things that can defeat it are powerful Ground / Psychic moves or Mold Breaker. The fantastic thing about Weezing is that it has pretty decent physical bulk, meaning that it doesn't just crumble to Teravolt Terrakion like most other Wonder Guard Pokemon do, especially if it's running Air Balloon to avoid Earthquake. Unlike the other Wonder Guard Pokemon, Weezing can also burn Mold Breaker mons, which is great given that most of them are physically inclined.
In addition, Teravolt/Mold Breaker Pokemon are pretty essential on every team; they are the only things that beat Sturdy Shedinja and Wonder Guard Pokemon without resorting to weird moves. Pokemon that get these include: Mew, Metagross, Terrakion, Tyranitar.
I don't think there's anything that's blatantly overpowered rn (overcentralized, yes lol), with Wonder Guard keeping many powerful Pokemon in check and Teravolt / Mold Breaker keeping those in check.
Also if anything a Timid Nature with 252 Speed EVs should be used to outspeed opposing Pansage, and to keep HP as low as possible to maximize Endeavor damage.
Trait: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Sludge Bomb
- Taunt / Haze
- Pain Split
Level 51 completely wrecked me with this thing, not hard to see why. Wonder Guard Weezing only has 2 weaknesses which means the only things that can defeat it are powerful Ground / Psychic moves or Mold Breaker. The fantastic thing about Weezing is that it has pretty decent physical bulk, meaning that it doesn't just crumble to Teravolt Terrakion like most other Wonder Guard Pokemon do, especially if it's running Air Balloon to avoid Earthquake. Unlike the other Wonder Guard Pokemon, Weezing can also burn Mold Breaker mons, which is great given that most of them are physically inclined.
In addition, Teravolt/Mold Breaker Pokemon are pretty essential on every team; they are the only things that beat Sturdy Shedinja and Wonder Guard Pokemon without resorting to weird moves. Pokemon that get these include: Mew, Metagross, Terrakion, Tyranitar.
I don't think there's anything that's blatantly overpowered rn (overcentralized, yes lol), with Wonder Guard keeping many powerful Pokemon in check and Teravolt / Mold Breaker keeping those in check.
There are a number of ways to stop this strategy; for example, making use of entry hazards, Grass-types, Pokemon with status moves (Pansage has to risk being hit by an attack if it tries to Taunt), Magic Guard, priority moves, or simply switching between Pokemon with recovery moves and PP stalling. Honestly I don't think it's as useful as you make it out to be, though it's fun and all.
Also if anything a Timid Nature with 252 Speed EVs should be used to outspeed opposing Pansage, and to keep HP as low as possible to maximize Endeavor damage.
behold and be afraid!
Rhydon @ Eviolite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Substitute
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
Rhydon @ Eviolite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Substitute
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
to be honest i find rhydon way to slow to pull of an sd set your better off just using a tank set.
it's a bulky sweeper that can switch when it gets rough
Kit Kasai
Love colored magic
I'd say something more like rock blast, earthquake, dragon tail/roar, stealth rock would be better. As Mike said, Rhydon is not suited for a sweeping role (it's outclassed, and regenerator shouldn't be used for an offensive role), and functions much better as a tank.
Why would you have it at Level 2 instead of Level 1?
Kit Kasai
Love colored magic
to have exactly 15 hp to minimize passive damage.
As someone who has peaked at #1 in Alphabet Cup several times, I love the idea of this tier. Here's my assessment of viable Pokémon, considering their alphablity, movesets, weakness to hazards and overall viability: Broken, Threat, Powerful, Mediocre and Lacklustre. I've looked at a lot of Pokémon, but those Pokémon or Abilities not included are to be considered non-viable in this tier.
Cacturne, Chandelure, Charizard-Mega, Cubone.
Dewgong, Dragonite, Durant.
Jirachi, Jumpluff.
Quagsire.
Aerodactyl-Mega, Alakazam, Ampharos-Mega, Acheops, Altaria.
Aerodactyl-Mega, Altaria, Archeops, Articuno.
Abomasnow-Mega, Ampharos-Mega.
Accelgor, Aerodactyl-Mega, Alakazam, Aggron-Mega, Ampharos-Mega, Arhceops, Avalugg, Azumarill.
Chandelure, Charizard-Mega, Cloyster.
Chandelure, Charizard-Mega.
Darmanitan, Dragonite, Durant.
Darmanitan, Delphox.
Darmanitan, Delphox, Donphan, Dugtrio.
Ferrothorn, Florges, Forretress.
Florges, Froslass.
Ferrothorn, Froslass, Forretress.
Ferrothorn, Florges, Forretress.
Gallade, Garchomp-Mega, Gardevoir, Gengar, Gliscor, Golbat, Gyarados.
Garbador, Gastrodon, Gigalith, Golem, Granbull, Gurdurr.
Garchomp, Gigalith, Golem, Gyarados.
Hariyama, Hawlucha, Heatran, Heracross, Hitmonchan, Hitmontop, Honchkrow, Houndoom, Hydreigon.
Illumise, Infernape.
Illumise, Infernape.
Igglybuff, Illumise, Infernape, Ivysaur.
Infernape.
Kadabra.
Lairon, Lampent, Lanturn, Lucario, Luxray.
Lapras, Lilligant, Lucario, Lumineon, Luxray.
Lapras, Lilligant, Lucario.
Machamp, Magmortar, Magnezone, Mamoswine, Manaphy, Mandibuzz, Manectric-Mega, Mantine, Marowak, Mawile-Mega, Medicham, Meganium, Meloetta, Mesprit, Metagross, Mew, Mienshao, Milotic, Miltank, Misdreavus, Mismagius, Moltres, Mr. Mime, Musharna.
Machamp, Magmortar, Mamoswine, Manaphy, Mandibuzz, Meganium, Meloetta, Mesprit, Mew, Milotic, Miltank, Misdreavus, Moltres, Mr. Mime, Musharna.
Machamp, Magcargo, Magmortar, Mamoswine, Manaphy, Marowak, Mawile-Mega, Medicham, Meloetta, Metagross, Mew, Mienshao, Milotic, Miltank, Mismagius, Moltres, Muk.
Magnezone, Mamoswine, Manaphy, Manectric-Mega, Mew, Misdreavus, Moltres, Musharna.
Manaphy, Mantine, Mew, Mightyena, Mismagius.
Machamp, Magmortar, Magnezone, Mamoswine, Marowak, Medicham, Metagross, Mew, Mismagius, Moltres.
Manaphy, Mantine, Meloetta, Metagross, Mew, Moltres, Mr. Mime.
Machamp, Malamar, Mamoswine, Maractus, Mawile-Mega, Medicham-Mega, Metagross, Mew, Mienshao, Muk.
Machamp, Magcargo, Magmortar, Magnezone, Mamoswine, Manaphy, Mandibuzz, Mantine, Marowak, Mawile-Mega, Medicham-Mega, Mew, Mienshao, Milotic, Miltank, Moltres, Musharna.
Mamoswine, Mandibuzz, Mew, Milotic, Miltank, Moltres, Musharna.
Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Ninetales, Noivern.
Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Ninetales, Noivern.
Octillery, Omastar.
Octillery, Omastar.
Pangoro, Persian, Pidgeot, Piloswine, Politoed, Poliwrath, Porygon2, PorygonZ, Primeape, Probopass, Purugly, Pyroar.
Pangoro, Persian, Pidgeot, Porygon2, PorygonZ, Purugly, Pyroar.
Pangoro, Pansage, Piloswine, Poliwrath, Probopass, Purugly, Pyroar.
Pangoro, Persian, Pidgeot, Piloswine, Politoed, Porygon2, PorygonZ, Primeape, Purugly, Pyroar.
Raikou, Relicanth.
Rampardos, Rapidash.
Raticate.
Raikou, Regice, Regigigas, Regirock, Registeel, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Roserade.
Rapidash.
Regice, Regigigas, Regirock, Registeel, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Roserade.
Salamence, Samurott, Sandslash, Sawk, Sawsbuck, Sceptile, Scolipede, Seismitoad, Shaymin, Slaking, Snorlax, Steelix, Stunfisk, Swampert.
Salamence, Samurott, Sandslash, Sawk, Sawsbuck, Sceptile, Scizor, Scolipede, Seismitoad, Shaymin, Slaking, Snorlax, Swampert.
Samurott, Sandslash, Seaking, Seismitoad, Simipour, Slowbro, Starmie, Suicune, Swampert.
Sawk, Scrafty, Slaking, Snorlax, Staraptor, Swellow.
Sawk, Seismitoad, Simisear, Slowbro, Smeargle, Snorlax, Spiritomb, Suicune, Sylveon.
Salamence, Samurott, Sandslash, Sawk, Sawsbuck, Sceptile, Scizor, Scolipede, Scrafty, Seaking, Seismitoad, Serperior, Sharpedo, Shaymin, Shiftry, Sigilyph, Simipour, Simisage, Simisear, Skarmory, Slaking, Slowbro, Slowking, Slurpuff, Smeagrle, Spiritomb, Stantler, Staraptor, Starmie, Steelix, Stoutland, Swampert, Swellow, Swoobat, Sylveon.
Salamence, Samurott, Sandslash, Sawk, Sawsbuck, Sceptile, Scizor, Scolipede, Seaking, Seismitoad, Shaymin, Sigilyph, Skarmory, Slaking, Slowbro, Slowking, Slurpuff, Spiritomb, Staraptor, Starmie, Steelix, Stoutland, Swampert, Swellow, Swoobat, Sylveon.
Salamence, Samurott, Sawk, Sawsbuck, Sceptile, Slaking, Staraptor, Starmie, Swellow, Swoobat.
Salamence, Samurott, Sandslash, Sawk, Sceptile, Scizor, Scolipede, Scrafty, Scyther, Serperior, Shiftry, Slaking, Slurpuff, Smeargle, Spiritomb, Suicune, Sylveon.
Salamence, Scizor, Scyther, Skarmory, Slowbro, Slowking, Staraptor, Steelix, Suicune, Sylveon.
Salamence, Samurott, Sandslash, Sawk, Sawsbuck, Sceptile, Scizor, Scolipede, Scrafty, Seaking, Seismitoad, Serperior, Sharpedo, Shaymin, Shiftry, Sigilyph, Simipour, Simisage, Simisear, Skarmory, Slaking, Slowbro, Slowking, Slurpuff, Smeagrle, Spiritomb, Stantler, Staraptor, Starmie, Steelix, Stoutland, Swampert, Swellow, Swoobat, Sylveon.
Shedinja, Simisage.
Salamence, Sceptile, Scizor, Slaking, Spiritomb, Suicune.
Samurott, Seaking, Simipour, Starmie, Sylveon.
Talonflame, Tauros, Terrakion, Throh, Thundurus, Togekiss, Torkoal, Typhloshion, Tyranitar, Tyrantum.
Talonflame, Tauros, Terrakion, Throh, Thundurus, Togekiss, Tornadus, Toxicroack, Torterra, Tyranitar, Tyrantum.
Tangrowth, Thundurus, Togekiss, Tornadus, Torterra, Treveant.
Talonflame, Tangrowth, Tauros, Tentacruel, Terrakion, Throh, Thundurus, Togekiss, Tornadus, Toxicroack, Typhloshion, Tyranitar, Tyrantum.
Talonflame, Tranquill, Tyranitar, Tyrantum.
Umbreon, Uxie.
Unfezant, Ursaring.
Vaporeon, Vespiquen, Vivillon, Vullaby.
Wailord, Walrein, Weavile, Weezing, Whimsicott, Whiscash, Wobuffet.
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Cobalion seems like it would be hard to take down once it gets going
Kit Kasai
Love colored magic
I don't see why you listed wobbufet and wailord up there as the best users of wonder guard. Wobbuffet loses any uses without shadow tag. I can kinda see how wailord could work though. You missed two of the best WG users though:
Whiscash @ Leftovers
Ability: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 Hp
- Earthquake
- Waterfall
- Dragon Dance
- Substitute
Switch in on something without grass moves and set up sub, then wreck stuff.
Weezing @ Air Balloon
Ability: Wonder Guard
- Infestation
- Pain Split
- Toxic
- Filler
Pretty good wall, only has one weakness and can trap and kill a poke with toxic.
Whiscash @ Leftovers
Ability: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 Hp
- Earthquake
- Waterfall
- Dragon Dance
- Substitute
Switch in on something without grass moves and set up sub, then wreck stuff.
Weezing @ Air Balloon
Ability: Wonder Guard
- Infestation
- Pain Split
- Toxic
- Filler
Pretty good wall, only has one weakness and can trap and kill a poke with toxic.
Kit Kasai - I have to admit that the whiscash strategy is good. But it kinda gets shut down by prankster/faster taunt or toxic.
Oh, I think I found a decent one-
Persian @ Life Orb
Ability: Pure Power
- Fake Out
- Seed Bomb
- Return
- Filler
The seed bomb kinda makes a counter to whiscash
One more thing-
Archeops @ Choice Scarf/Focus Sash/Life Orb
Ability: Aerilate
- Return
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- U-Turn/Quick Attack
I'm not too sure about this set... what do you guys think?
Also, how does parental bond scarfed Porygon Z sound? Or even Parental Bond eviolite porygon2
Oh, I think I found a decent one-
Persian @ Life Orb
Ability: Pure Power
- Fake Out
- Seed Bomb
- Return
- Filler
The seed bomb kinda makes a counter to whiscash
One more thing-
Archeops @ Choice Scarf/Focus Sash/Life Orb
Ability: Aerilate
- Return
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- U-Turn/Quick Attack
I'm not too sure about this set... what do you guys think?
Also, how does parental bond scarfed Porygon Z sound? Or even Parental Bond eviolite porygon2
This is a pretty good list, but you forgot Tinted Lens.
I don't think Tinted Lens will be used a lot in this tier, same with Overcoat, Normalize etc., abilities that I've also not included.
Edit: Now I've included Tinted Lens as well, thanks.
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Overcoat has a niche with the powder attacks. But the only two Pokemon that can learn it is Octillery and Omastar. I guess Omastar can use it to set up on a Smeargle...but I don't think think that's really good otherwise...
Tinted Lens would probably be good with guys that rely almost exclusively on STAB. Something like Talonflame's Brave Bird and Flare Blitz or a Scarf'd Typhlosion's Eruption. I'm not saying it's not outclassed, but it does have some sort of use.
I think I banned Pure Power. I've used Bad Dreams Breloom to a decent amount of success, though, since it deals with most Wonder Guarders with Seed Bomb, and those you can't hit you can put to sleep and torment!
BThere or BSquare (Breloom) @ Life Orb
Ability: Bad Dreams
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Spore
- Seed Bomb
- Drain Punch
- Swords Dance
In retrospect Substitute is probably a better move than Swords Dance, since Breloom is actually pretty frail and it could afford it a key hit.
Ability: Bad Dreams
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Spore
- Seed Bomb
- Drain Punch
- Swords Dance
In retrospect Substitute is probably a better move than Swords Dance, since Breloom is actually pretty frail and it could afford it a key hit.
gen 1 ou. that is all.
I feel like Imposter Igglybuff should at least be underlined. It gets the boost from Eviolite and has above-average HP. Imagine Aegislash with 90 base HP and an eviolite boost.
Something pretty cool I thought of, Infiltrator Ivysaur can get leech seed off through subs and has good special bulk with Eviolite.
With Knock Off so rampant in this meta, eviolite-users are a little worse for wear. But yes, I forgot to consider Eviolite into my calculations. Igglybuff should definitely get an underline, maybe even a Bold. We have to wait to see how the Meta plays itself out.
