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Altaria

Discussion in 'Dragonspiral Tower' started by sax king, Oct 6, 2010.

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  1. sax king

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    Altaria--Dragon/Flying
    75-70-90-70-105-80
    Natural Cure: Heals status upon switching out
    Dream World Cloud Nine: All weather effects are negated when this pokemon is out on the field

    Level up moves
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    -Pluck
    -Peck
    -Growl
    -Astonish
    -Sing
    5 Astonish
    9 Sing
    13 Fury Attack
    18 Safeguard
    23 Mist
    28 Take Down
    32 Natural Gift
    35 Dragonbreath
    39 Dragon Dance
    46 Cotton Guard
    54 Refresh
    62 Dragon Pulse
    70 Perish Song
    77 Sky Attack


    Egg Moves
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    Agility
    Haze
    Pursuit
    Rage
    Featherdance
    Dragon Rush
    Power Swap
    Roost
    Hyper Voice
    Steel Wing


    TM + HM
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    Claw Sharpen
    Dragon Claw
    Roar
    Toxic
    Hidden Power
    Sunny Day
    Ice Beam
    Hyper Beam
    Protect
    Rain Dance
    Safeguard
    Frustration
    Solarbeam
    Earthquake
    Return
    Double Team
    Flamethrower
    Fire Blast
    Aerial Ace
    Facade
    Rest
    Attract
    Thief
    Sing Around
    Echo Voice
    Incinerate
    Giga Impact
    Psych Up
    Level Ground
    Dream Eater
    Swagger
    Pluck
    Substitute
    Rock Smash
    Fly


    Moves from 3rd and 4th Gen
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    Body Slam
    Double Edge
    Mimic
    Heal Bell
    Draco Metoer
    Air Cutter
    Ominous Wind
    Snore
    Swift
    Uproar
    Heat Wave
    Mud Slap
    Outrage
    Tailwind


    The other dragon: the one that didn't quite make it into OU. Nevertheless, Altaria is a great wall in UU that's about to get better. With 75/90/105 defenses, this thing is already pretty bulky. Add resistances to Bug, Fighting, Fire, Grass, Ground, and Water amd you've got a pretty solid tank. Altaria also has one thing that many pokemon lost in the Generation shift: Roost. Roost gives Altaria instant recovery (as well a resistance to Electric). It has a great movepool with moves such as Ice Beam, Flamethrower, Dragon Dance, and Dragon Pulse. It also has a great support movepool with Roost, Haze, Heal Bell, Toxic, Psych Up, Refresh, and Roar. But two things make Altaria particularly amazing this Gen.

    I) Cotton Guard
    Cotton Guard gives Altaria +3 Defense, which makes it the ultimate wall. After one tun of boosting, Altaria's defense (assuming it's maxed out) becomes 765. Holy shit.

    II) Cloud Nine
    Weather's going to be huge this time around, and many are scrambling for weather checks. Well look no further, because Cloud Nine stops all weather effects. I know that the choice between this and Natural Cure is a tough one, but this makes Altaria a great weather check (not to mention that it resists Water, Fire, Grass, and is immune to Doryuzuu's main STAB)

    Some Sets

    Physical Tank

    Altaria @ Leftovers/Rugged Helmet
    252 HP/252 Def/4 SpDef Bold
    Natural Cure/Cloud Nine

    --Cotton Guard
    --Roost
    --Roar/Toxic/Haze/Heal Bell
    --Dragon Pulse

    Not much to say except boost Defense, recover with Roost, use the third slot for utility, then attack with Dragon Pulse



    Boosting Sweeper

    Altaria @ Life Orb
    252 SpAtk/252 Spe/4 HP Modest/Timid
    Natural Cure/Cloud Nine

    --Agility
    --Ice Beam/Roost
    --Fire Blast/Flamethrower
    --Dragon Pulse

    Once you boost your speed with Agility, you're pretty much set to sweep. Although you may seem underpowered, you still have reasonable bulk which allows you to take a hit. You can also Roost off all the damage from the Life Orb. Dragon Pulse + Fire Blast has perfect coverage outside of Heatran.


    Bulky Dragon Dancer

    Altaria @ Life Orb
    252 HP/128 Atk/128 Spe Impsih/Adamant/Jolly
    Natural Cure/Cloud Nine

    --Dragon Dance
    --Dragon Claw/Outrage
    --Earthquake
    --Aerial Ace/Draco Metoer/Return

    Again, somewhat underpowering but it's bulky enough to pull it off. I don't like being locked into Outrage, especially on a bulky pokemon like this, but some do. Draco Meteor is fun because it lowers your special attack, which you won't be needing anyway. It also helps break physical walls.


    Support

    Altaria @ Leftovers
    252 HP/ 128 Def/128 SpDef Bold
    Natural Cure/Cloud Nine

    --Haze/Roar/Perish Song
    --Roost
    --Heal Bell/Toxic/Cotton Guard
    --Dragon Pulse

    All around tank with great support movepool. Haze, Roar, and Perish Song are for phazing. Roost is for recovery. Third moveslot is for spreading/healing status or gaining even more bulk. Dragon Pulse is for attacking.
  2. Adrialberto

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    I think a physical wall set should probably have SpD maxed out to make the most out of Altaria stats.
    Max HP+max SpD+Cotton Guard= 354HP, 339 SpD and 540 Def with one boost. Idk, I think it'd be more of an overall wall, instead of the special people (me at least) use today.
  3. Focus

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    How about a Claw Sharpen set with Dragon Rush? This could be similar to the "Dragon Dance" set:

    Altaria@Life Orb/Leftovers
    [need help with EVs and Nature!]

    Claw Sharpen
    Dragon Rush
    Earthquake
    Draco Meteor/Fire Blast/Roost
  4. KokoaKiwi

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    I'd suggest you to remove Ice Beam from the agility set.
    Dragon Pulse + Agility seems too redundant. Other than that, I'm totally loving altaria's new toys. :3
  5. Focus

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    Ice Beam hits more things for SE damage (Grass, Ground, Flying) than the more neutral Dragon Pulse. Besides, I always feel happy inside when my opponent gets Frozen! ^_^
  6. PlatinumDude

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    I agree. Dragon is only resisted by 1 type (Steel).

    As for the bulky Dragon Dance sweeper set, I feel that Fire Blast/Flamethrower is better in the last slot in order to deal with physical walls. Aerial Ace's base power is just too low.
  7. Immaterial

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    Since Tailwind lasts 4 turns now, it may be possible for Altaria to use it in order to support it's team. Could replace Agility, maybe? Though it would probably be better used on the support set:

    --Haze/Roar/Perish Song/Tailwind
    --Roost
    --Heal Bell/Toxic/Cotton Guard
    --Dragon Pulse

    You could also use any Hidden Power over Ice Beam on the Agility set, but which one really depends on what types you want to hit. Don't have much more to add - Altaria got a nice little boost in Cotton Guard and Cloud Nine this gen, hopefully it'll see some more usage.
  8. Janenmori

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    Just pointing out, on the first set, you DO NOT want to run Haze AND Cotton Guard. I'm thinking this thing will see a lot more use in the coming days as a Ninetales check. Counters weather, resists Ninetales two main moves, and can kill with a SE EQ.
  9. GtM

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    Wow, this thing can stop a lot of weather abusers in their tracks, outspeeding most swift swimmers and thus essentially being impervious to physical attacks thanks to Cotton Guard. Ice Beam is the prevailing issue though, so maybe Yache berry will have to become standard. Either that or Substitute on attackers.
  10. ginganinja

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    yeah Altaria looks more like a supporter now rather than a weaker DD dragon. Its nice to see it get Cotten guard and Cloud Nine which should at the very least give it 'niche' value
  11. R.B.G.

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    Altaria has always been more of a support dragon than an attacker.

    Now that it has the moves and ability...I believe it's finding a niche now.
  12. iruchii

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    Can Altaria OHKO Doryuuzu with Fire Blast or something?

    Regardless, nice new toys for her. I really hope she, like the user above said, finds her niche in this metagame.
  13. Green Mage

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    I'm also agreeing that you want special defense maxed on the wall set. The difference between 540 def and 765 def is negligible in terms of damage done. The best moveset would be roost/cotton guard/dragon pulse and either fire blast or heal bell in the last slot. Dragon pulse and toxic don't mix because Altaria is going to see alot of steels. You could also go physical with dragon claw + earthquake to get better coverage in the lower tiers.

    Definite leftovers and not rugged helmet. Noone is gonna hit altaria with a physical move after a cotton guard.

    And natural cure is the best ability. Sleep absorbers will be invaluable this gen due to the new sleep mechanics. Also, drought ninetales and drizzle politoed are both dream world abilities, so we may not see them for years, or possibly not at all. With natural cure, rest should get a mention as the healing move (although roost is still perfectly viable to remove the 4x weakness).
  14. Immaterial

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    Nope - 252 SAtk Altaria does 61.2% - 72.1% to 20 HP / 0 SDef Doryuuzu, and Altaria is 2HKOed by Rock Slide, so it can't switch into a SD. With Specs, Altaria does have the possibility of OHKOing it, as it does 91.3% - 107.7%, but that seems way too situational. Swords Dance is still a pretty huge problem, unfortunately. I don't think you could use Altaria as a Doryuuzu check. Actually, I'm not sure if it can do much against most weather teams at all.
  15. Miao

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    I'd take roost over rest almost any day.

    Although rest can restore all your health, being able to use roost as a "shield" move makes it much more interesting, especially combined with cotton guard.

    Of all the sets, I'd be reluctant to cut cotton guard since the tankish aspect of her is what really makes altaria shine regardless if you're going for tanking or support.

    Although slower to setup.... the following moveset might be interesting:
    Dragon Dance
    Cotton Guard
    Outrage/Dragon Claw
    Roost

    You end up with a very bulky sweeper that's an utter nightmare to kill.
  16. iruchii

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    I see. It's probably a good check to Sun teams, but that's it, really. Oh well. ):

    edit; Unless you switch on SD and use Cotton Guard. Maybe that could work? Like, if you Cotton Guard twice and Doryuuzu SDs twice, he'll be at +4 Attack and you'll be at +6 Defense and you can then 2HKO with Fire Blast. If they switch out, well, you've forced it out and you have a +6 Def Altaria.
  17. RaRaRabbit

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    Its sad since Altaria is double weak to ice, he cant really counter most raindance teams as a good chunk of water users run ice beam.
  18. Sajak

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    I like. Just have to make sure you get rid of all the Steels before trying this. :P
  19. Immaterial

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    I thought about this as well, but even without a Sandstorm, Doryuuzu will outspeed most Altaria... unless said Altaria has max Spd (Positive nature and 252 EVs), because apparently Doryuuzu is usually Adamant with 236 Spd. It's certainly possible, as Altaria takes at most 30% or so from Rock Slide so after a Cotton Guard boost, and if it's faster it can just Roost off the damage. As long as you're not facing some kind of Jolly variant, it could probably work.

    Edit: yep, +4 Atk Doryuuzu does 52.2% - 61.9% with Rock Slide to a +6 Def Altaria without any defensive investment.
  20. iruchii

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    Well, if you're faster, you can probably stall it for Life Orb damage with Roost (predicting around Rock Slide and Earthquake of course) and then finish Doryuuzu with Fire Blast.

    It's not exactly reliable but it sounds useable.
  21. Hikari

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    Altaria speed is 80, doryuzu is 88. Doryuzu only have to use jolly and 192 speed to beat every single altaria. I'll rather run max speed to atleast speed tie with others doryuzu, and if im going to take in count obscure checks for my speed i'll use 232 speed to beat all golducks. Dont considerate altaria as a check because she isnt, the only semi-decent thing she can do is beat some sun sweepers, and even for countering sun sweepers her best ability to use is natural cure to avoid random status. Cloud nine is pointless on a pokemon who cant counter wheater

    Also people stop suggesting claw sharpen on pokemon with much better boosting methods, in this case dragon dance. A boost in accuracy never will be better than a speed boost, specially on slow pokemons like altaria
  22. Cuiv

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    Also, the only Poke that resists Dragon + Fire is Heatran, which 4x resists Ice. So Ice Beam is pretty much useless.
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    Roosted Earthquake has the same BP of a super effective Rock Slide, so you don't even *need* to predict Doryuuzu's next move. It would be better, actually, to mispredict it so you make Doryuuzu take even more Life Orb damage lol.
  24. Shadow Tectike

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    I hate to bump, but how about if we could make some progress with the Claw Sharpen set?

    Altaria @ Leftovers
    Ability: Cloud Nine

    Claw Sharpen
    Earthquake
    Dragon Rush
    Fire Blast

    This set would be an amazing check for Sunny Day teams, and I'm constructing a team to oppose all of the common 5th gen teams, so I feel like this guy would actually be a huge benefit.
  25. Solyeuse

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    I don't... understand? If Dory quakes on a roost, I take 100 x 1.5 stab boost for an effectively 150bp attack. If it uses Rock Slide on a roost I should take a 75bp attack rather than 75 x 2 = 150bp, right? Since Roost removes my Flying type?

    Or does he outspeed me? Dory can outspeed all Altaria with the spread stated above, so if he outspeeds and I roost, the roost lasts until my next move, giving him a free EQ and removing the need for prediction?
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