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Amoonguss (Analysis)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by cosmicexplorer, Apr 1, 2011.

  1. cosmicexplorer

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    Amoonguss
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    [OVERVIEW]
    <p>Amoonguss's excellent bulk and typing allows it to take both physical and special hits, and a key resistance to common Fighting-type attacks helps it immensely. Its access to Spore and Rage Powder allows it to fit into any team, and especially helps Trick Room teams to set up. However, many common Pokemon, such as Tornadus, Reuniclus, and Chandelure, can easily OHKO it, and its low Speed stat means it can't do much to stop this. Overall, though, its tremendous bulk and access to Spore makes Amoonguss an excellent choice for almost any team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Support
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Rage Powder
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Protect / Hidden Power Ice
    nature: Calm / Sassy
    ability: Effect Spore
    item: Coba Berry
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Spore, in conjunction with Amoonguss's excellent bulk, will almost always incapacitate an opponent the first turn unless they specifically prepare for it. Rage Powder allows Amoonguss to help its team set up field effects such as Tailwind or Trick Room, and with its bulk, it can easily take moves that could OHKO frailer Pokemon. It also attracts Beat Up, so the vaunted Beat Up Whimsicott-Terrakion combination utterly fails against Amoonguss. Giga Drain 2HKOes Terrakion, and does good damage to Water-types like Jellicent or Samurott while healing back HP. It also helps break Focus Sashes. Protect allows Amoonguss to stall the opponent, and gives its partner time to take out whatever may be threatening it. The EVs give it excellent special bulk, allowing it to take Reuniclus's Life Orb Psychic and take much less damage from Chandelure's Heat Wave.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Hidden Power Ice can work well over Protect; although Amoonguss loses the ability to survive a move that would otherwise OHKO it, it lets Amoonguss hit the genies and Dragon-types for a good amount of damage, which can help immensely if Amoonguss is the last Pokemon on the field. Mental Herb is a viable choice over Coba Berry; although Amoonguss loses the ability to take a Flying Jewel-boosted Acrobatics from Tornadus or Archeops, two of its common counters, a Mental Herb allows it to bypass Taunt and Encore for a turn.</p>

    <p>A Sassy nature can be used as well, but Amoongus doesn't outspeed other Pokemon with 30 base Speed, such as Musharna and Reuniclus, and it will thus be unable to use Spore on them before they use Psychic to severely damage or KO Amoonguss. A Sassy nature also does not allow Amoonguss to outspeed opposing Amoonguss and Spore them if Trick Room is not up. However, if Trick Room is up, a Sassy nature will allow Amoonguss to Speed tie with these Pokemon and possibly use Spore on them, incapacitating them before they can take it out. As a lead, Amoonguss tends to do better with a Bold nature. However, if Amoonguss isn't being used as a lead, it generally has greater success with a Sassy nature and 0 Speed IVs.</p>

    <p>A Lum Berry is another viable item; if Amoonguss faces another Amoonguss in a Trick Room mirror match, a Lum Berry will allow Amoonguss to always take the opposing Spore, Spore back, and remain awake and able to support its team. Trick Room teams can utilize Amoonguss very effectively, as Rage Powder can almost always guarantee that Trick Room will be set up, while Amoonguss can use Trick Room to abuse its low Speed and spam Spore. For this reason, Reuniclus is an excellent partner for Amoonguss due to with its ability to set up Trick Room and 2HKO the entire metagame with Trick Room in effect. Amoonguss can also work well on faster teams, and its access to Rage Powder allows it to sponge an attack aimed at its partner, giving Pokemon with many weaknesses, such as Terrakion or Hydreigon, a turn to take out many of their common checks.</p>

    <p>Taunt users can completely wreck Amoonguss if it does not have a Mental Herb, so a Rock Slide user can help to take out Thundurus and Tornadus, the most common users of Taunt, while an Ice Beam or Blizzard user such as Cryogonal or Vanilluxe can hurt the genies as well as Whimsicott. Safeguard users such as Terrakion, Virizion, or Cobalion can stop Amoonguss from using Spore, and remove much of its utility. A Taunt user such as Tornadus or Whimsicott, or a Pokemon such as Archeops that can OHKO them before they use Safeguard can allow Amoonguss to bypass this and put the opponent to sleep.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Amoonguss can be used at levels lower than 50, in order to outspeed more Pokemon in Trick Room with only a minor decrease in bulk. For example, at level 49, Amoonguss speed ties with Musharna, and outspeeds opposing Reuniclus and Amoonguss in Trick Room, allowing it to become a more effective check to opposing Trick Room teams. Amoonguss has access to Synthesis, which increases its survivability even more, but it suffers from four-moveslot syndrome already, and is still OHKOed by strong super effective attacks or when double-targeted. Its low Speed also means it won't be able to recover health very easily. Amoonguss has access to both Rain Dance and Sunny Day, allowing it to support a rain- or sun-based team, but it has very low Speed, making it generally inferior to Pokemon like Whimsicott or Volcarona, who can set the weather up with priority or substantial offensive presence. Substitute can work well with Amoonguss's excellent defenses, but it has lacks the offensive stats to take advantage of it, and is generally much more effective just using Spore to incapacitate the opponent. Sludge Bomb is an alternate attacking move that has higher Base Power than Giga Drain, but does not recover health, nor does it allow Amoonguss to take out Terrakion even with Safeguard up, and as such is usually an inferior choice.</p>

    <p>Amoonguss can be used well in Tailwind teams simply because of its access to Spore, allowing it to incapacitate the bulkier Pokemon that plague Tailwind teams. Although utilizing a Timid nature and 252 Speed EVs causes Amoonguss to lose a lot of bulk, it can outspeed all Pokemon up to Thundurus and Tornadus when Tailwind is up. Amoonguss can also run a whole host of other items to confound its usual counters. While Mental Herb and Coba Berry halt the most standard counters, an Occa Berry stops Chandelure's Fire Blast or Overheat from OHKOing, and a Yache Berry can allow it to survive a Vanilluxe's Ice Beam, giving it an extra turn to use Rage Powder or Spore an opponent. Focus Sash allows Amoonguss to survive an attack of any type, but means it will die after using Rage Powder, and is generally an inferior choice. While it doesn't stop these attacks, a Sitrus Berry greatly increases Amoonguss's survivability and allows it to tank neutral assaults much more easily, making it yet another viable choice.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Tornadus and Archeops can both do great damage to Amoonguss with a Flying Gem-boosted Acrobatics, and can KO with help from a partner, giving it no chance to support the team at all. A partner such as Terrakion utilizing super effective attacks or a Trick Room user such as Reuniclus can help tremendously, KOing the aforementioned threats with Rock Slide or setting up Trick Room as Amoonguss uses Protect. A Fire Gem-boosted Heat Wave from Chandelure also OHKOes Amoonguss, as does an unboosted Fire Blast or Overheat. Chandelure has many weaknesses, though, and with its 80 base Speed, it's not too difficult to take out; a Terrakion's Rock Slide or Landorus's Earthquake will KO it if it's not holding Focus Sash, and a bulky Trick Room user like Musharna can set up Trick Room as Amoonguss uses Protect. Musharna, Reuniclus, and Beheeyem are Pokemon which commonly set up Trick Room, and they can all OHKO or 2HKO Amoonguss with Psychic. An Escavalier can help to rectify this, outspeeding the above threats under Trick Room and KOing with X-Scissor or Megahorn. A Chandelure can also help if Trick Room is not up yet, 2HKOing both with Shadow Ball, or OHKOing with a Ghost-Gem boosted Shadow Ball.</p>

    <p>Any Taunt user can stop Amoonguss in its tracks if it doesn't have Mental Herb. Thundurus and Tornadus with Substitute are often used to stall out turns of Trick Room, and can completely obstruct any of Amoonguss's assaults if it does not possess Hidden Power Ice. A Rock Slide user such as Conkeldurr can break their Substitutes, while Gigalith can outspeed Amoonguss in Trick Room and break the Substitute with Rock Slide, allowing Amoonguss to put them to sleep with Spore. Pokemon such as Terrakion or Virizion can use Safeguard to stop Amoonguss from using Spore.</p>
  2. sandman

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    I think a Tail Wind set should get a mention. With timid and max speed, amoongus hits 90 speed which in Tail Wind outspeeds the genies so it can be pretty effective there.

    All the comments look great so far.

    Edit: In the counters section I would add that Safe Guard users such as Virizion also limit amoongus's usefulness.
  3. JRank

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    Since Amoonguss is usually a Trick Room Pokemon, I think a Sassy or Relaxed nature is best, but Bold is probably better if it's not TR.

    Other than that, looks good.
  4. cosmicexplorer

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    The Checks and Counters will be fleshed out later, I'm too tired right now.

    sandman, running that many EVs in Speed, along with a positive natures, takes a lot away from its bulk. Also, Tailwind teams should be hitting as hard and as fast as possible, because the effect only lasts three turns, so a support pokemon like Amoonguss is quite ill-suited to such a team. I don't think it's notable enough to mention.

    JRank, Amoonguss with a Bold nature outspeeds only the base 30 Speed group, and it's actually advantageous for it to be faster than Reuniclus, Cofagrigus, or Relaxed Amoonguss, so that it can Spore them before they Psychic it to death or use Safeguard before Trick Room is set up, rather than relying on a Speed tie, and with Trick Room up, a Relaxed Amoonguss only loses a possible Speed tie with that base 30 Speed group. I'll mention it in other options, but outspeeding and Sporing those three is quite critical on the first turn. And although running more Special Defense with Calm or Sassy is entirely possible, and the EV spread you want to use depends upon your team, the spread shown gives the best possible defenses on both sides.
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    I agree with cosmicexplorer about Tailwind.

    Sets should just have straight foward names, so change that.

    I agree with JRank about a speed lowering nature.

    This:

    Its weakness to Psychic means it is 2HKOed by most Psychic-type attacks, and it can be OHKOed by boosted Flying-, Fire, or Ice-type moves, and its low Speed stat means it can't do much to stop this.

    Is very unclear, you don't need to state what types it is weak to, just give specific examples of attacks it is afraid of, like Musharana and Reunclius Psychic, Archeops and Tornadus Acrobatics, and Chandalure Fire attacks, especially Overheat which 1hkos with no other boost.

    I'm uncertain about what items should be listed, Lum is also a very good option.

    Other than that, this set is one of the most standard in the metagame, and anyone who plays should know it, QC Approved 1/2
  6. cosmicexplorer

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    Sorry about the name, I meant to change that, but forgot when posting it.

    The Speed lowering nature will be slashed and mentioned in AC, but I do believe that Bold is better in most situations for the reasons mentioned above, and because it loses to literally nothing but a Speed tie with that base 30 Speed group, which as I stated earlier, is actually quite beneficial.

    I will fix the overview, and mention all of those in checks and counters.

    What is Lum really good for besides taking other Amoonguss Spores and Sporing back?

    EDIT: Adding Lum
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    I guess as far as the nature, you should probably say that if you aren't leading with shrooms, the -Speed is better.

    Exactly that.
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    Just found out that Rage Powder attracts attacks aimed toward partners too, so Beat Up, for example, will be attracted toward Amoonguss. Adding that in.
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    The point of Amoongus in Tail Wind isn't as much as sponging hits because it can out speed every other pokemon(bar Cscarfers and a few uncommon ones) and Spore them which is incredibly helpful in disabling bulky pokemon that are hard to 1 KO even with field attacks such as Jellicent, Eelektross, and opposing Amoongus. Plus it can still be eved to survive Acrobatics Flight Jewel with Coba berry and Timid Shandera's Heat Wave so is still decently bulky and can take a hit or two when TW runs out. Maybe it doesn't deserve its own set but I still think it's at least worth mentioning in Other Options.

    I also forgot to add in my first post Boufallant is probably one of if not the best counters with its ability Sap Sipper being immune to Spore and raising its attack. Sawsbuck too but it has to watch out for Hidden Power or Sludge Bomb and fails to 2 ko Amoonguss with Return without the boost from Sap Sipper.
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    I've found it to be moderately useful in Tailwind, and as such I am adding a mention of Tailwind to OO. It helps a lot with stuff like Jellicent if you don't have a Thundurus handy, as well as a multitude of Trick Room pokemon.
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    It is alright for Tailwind, requires a lot of prediction/guessing if you use it for Tailwind and unlike Trick Room it only lasts 3 usable turns.
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    I would probably slash sitrus in as an item. But other than that, it's one of the most annoying mons in the game.

    QC Approved 2/2
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    Added, and put in point that depending upon what item it runs, it stops any one of its counters. Coba stops Acrobat, Occa stops Fire Blast, Mental Herb stops Taunt, Lum stops opposing Spores, and so on, which I think is pretty important to mention, as that's one of the reasons why it's so annoying. GOD I HATE PLAYING AGAINST THIS THING.

    EDIT: This is written up and ready for GP checks.
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    This is written up and ready for GP checks.
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    Get rid of
    Put in

    You really have to lay off the semi-colon, and also the hyphen. The only places you should be using the hyphen in this analysis is for the pokemon type.
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    I really believe this should be kept. While the other deleted sentence was rather superfluous, the blurb about Rock Slide users is quite helpful in educating the reader on how to bypass Prankster Substitute users, and is important enough that I believe it should be kept in.

    I appreciate the check, and I've edited in your other changes, but I really think that the last sentence about Rock Slide users should stay.
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    200 HP / 160 Def / 148 SpD wastes 8 EVs in HP and Def, you can go 196 HP / 156 Def / 156 SpD and get another point in SpD.
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    I can't believe I didn't notice that. Thanks, and I've changed the spread to 196 HP / 156 Def / 156 SpD
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    I'd suggest adding Sludge bomb in Other Options. On a Trick Room team your greatest hindrance is usually Whimsicott and Sludge Bomb allows it to prevent Whimsicott from unduly harrassing your main sweeper (Reuniclus 90% of the time at that point). Aside from that it is your strongest useful STAB with goodish neutral coverage.
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    My first response to that is "meh." Amoonguss is mostly just going to be Sporing and Rage Powdering away, and uses its attacks very little. It can't sacrifice an extra slot for another attacking move, and Giga Drain allows it to 2HKO Terrakion and do good damage to stuff like Jellicent, while regaining health, which Sludge Bomb does not do, and Sludge Bomb doesn't hit that hard off of 85 base SpA, uninvested. Like you said, I'll mention it in OO, but I hardly think it's even worth mentioning.
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    [OVERVIEW]
    <p>Amoonguss's has excellent bulk and typing that allows it to take both physical and special hits, and a key resistance to the common Fighting-type attacks helps it immensely. Its access to Spore and Rage Powder allows it to fit into on any team, and especially helps Trick Room teams to set up. However, many common Pokemon such as Tornadus, Reuniclus, and Chandelure can easily OHKO it, and its low Speed stat means it can't do much to stop this. Overall, though, its huge bulk and access to Spore makes it Amoonguss an excellent choice for almost any team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Support
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Rage Powder
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Protect / Hidden Power Ice
    nature: Bold / Relaxed
    ability: Effect Spore
    item: Mental Herb / Coba Berry / Lum Berry
    evs: 196 HP / 156 Def / 156 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Spore, combined in conjunction with Amoonguss's excellent bulk, will almost always incapacitate an opponent the first turn unless they specifically prepare for it. Rage Powder allows Amoonguss to help its team set up field effects like such as Tailwind or Trick Room, and with its bulk, it can easily take moves that could OHKO frailer Pokemon. It also attracts Beat Up, so the vaunted Beat Up Whimsicott-Terrakion combination utterly fails against an Amoonguss leads. Giga Drain allows it Amoonguss to 2HKO Terakion, and do some damage to Water-types like Jellicent or Samurott, while healing back HP. It also helps to break Focus Sashes. Protect allows it to stall the opponent, and gives its partner time to take out whatever may be threatening Amoonguss. The EVs give it good overall bulk on both sides of the defensive spectrum.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Hidden Power Ice can work well over Protect; although Amoonguss loses the ability to survive a turn of a move that would OHKO it, it lets Amoonguss hit the genies and Dragon-types for a good amount of damage, which can help immensely if it's the last pokemon on the field. Coba Berry is a viable choice over Mental Herb; although it Amoonguss loses the ability to bypass Taunt and Encore, a Coba Berry allows it to take a Flight Jewel-boosted Acrobatics from Tornadus or Archeops, two of its common counters, and survive to put them to sleep with Spore.</p>

    <p>A Relaxed nature can be used as well, but Amoonguss doesn't outspeed Pokemon with base 30 Speed, such as Musharna and Reuniclus, and it will thus be unable to use Spore on them before they use Psychic to severely damage or KO Amoonguss. A Relaxed nature also does not allow Amoonguss to outspeed opposing Amoonguss and Spore them if Trick Room is not up. However, if Trick Room is up, a Relaxed nature will allow Amoonguss to Speed tie with these Pokemon and possibly use Spore on them before they take it out. As a lead, Amoonguss tends to do better with a Bold nature, while later on, it generally has greater success with a Relaxed nature and a 0 Speed IVs.</p>

    <p>A Lum Berry is another viable item; if Amoonguss faces another Amoonguss in a Trick Room mirror match, a Lum Berry will allow Amoonguss to always take the opposing Spore, Spore back, and remain awake and able to support its team. Trick Room teams can use Amoonguss very effectively, with Rage Powder almost guaranteeing that Trick Room will be set up, while Amoonguss can use Trick Room to abuse its low Speed and spam Spore. For this reason, Reuniclus works very well with Amoonguss as a partner, with its ability to set up Trick Room and 2HKO the entire metagame with Trick Room in effect. Amoonguss can also work well on faster teams, and its access to Rage Powder allows it to sponge an attack aimed at its partner, giving Pokemon with many weaknesses, like such as Terrakion or Hydreigon, a turn to take out many of their common checks.</p>

    [OTHER OPTIONS]

    <p>Amoonguss has access to Synthesis, which increases its survivability even more, but it has suffers from the 4-moveslot syndrome already, and it is still OHKOed by strong super effective attacks or when double-targeted. while Its low Speed also means it won't be able to recover health very easily. Amoonguss has access to both Rain Dance and Sunny Day, allowing it to setup support a rain- or sun-based team, but it has very low Speed, making it generally inferior to pokemon like Whimsicott or Volcarona, who can set the weather up with priority or with substantial offensive presence. Substitute can work well with Amoonguss's excellent defenses, but it has no offenses to take advantage of it, and is generally much more effective just using Spore to incapacitate the opponent. Sludge Bomb is an alternate option for an attacking move, with higher base power than Giga Drain, but does not recover health, nor does it allow Amoonguss to take out Terrakion even with Safeguard up, and as such is usually an inferior choice.</p>

    <p>Amoonguss can be used well in Tailwind teams simply because of its access to Spore, allowing it to incapacitate the bulkier Pokemon that plague Tailwind teams. Although it must take heavily out of its defenses will lose a lot of its bulk, with a Timid nature and 252 Speed EVs, it can outspeed all Pokemon up to Thundurus and Tornadus when Tailwind is up. Amoonguss can also run a whole host of other items to confound its usual counters. While Mental Herb and Coba Berry halt the most standard, an Occa Berry stops Chandelure's Fire Blast or Overheat from OHKOing, and a Yache Berry can allow it to survive a Vanilluxe's Ice Beam, giving it an extra turn to use Rage Powder or Spore an opponent. Focus Sash allows Amoonguss to survive an attack of any type, but means it will die after using Rage Powder, and is generally an inferior choice. While it doesn't stop these attacks, a Sitrus Berry greatly increases Amoonguss's survivability and allows it to tank neutral assaults much more easily, making it yet another viable choice.</p>

    [CHECKS AND COUNTERS]

    <p>Tornadus and Archeops can both OHKO Amoonguss with a Flight Jewel-boosted Acrobatics, giving it no chance to support the team at all. A partner such as Terrakion utilizing super effective moves like Terrakion or a Trick Room user like such as Reuniclus can help tremendously, KOing them the aforementioned threats with Rock Slide or setting up Trick Room as Amoonguss uses Protect. A Coba Berry also allows it to survive an Acrobat and put its opponent to sleep with Spore. A Fire Gem-boosted Heat Wave from Chandelure also OHKOs Amoonguss, as does an unboosted Fire Blast or Overheat. Chandelure has many weaknesses, though, and with its 80 base Speed, it's not too difficult to take out; a Terrakion's Rock Slide or Landorus's Earthquake will KO it if it's not holding Focus Sash, and a bulky Trick Room user like Musharna can set up Trick Room and take the Heat Wave as Amoonguss uses Protect, and take the Heat Wave as well. Musharna, Reuniclus, and Beheeyem are common Trick Room setup pokemon Pokemon which commonly set up Trick Room, and they can all OHKO or 2HKO Amoonguss with Psychic. An Escavalier can help to rectify this, outspeeding them under Trick Room and KOing with X-Scissor or Megahorn. A Chandelure can also help if Trick Room is not up yet, 2HKOing both with Shadow Ball, or OHKOing with a Ghost-Gem boosted Shadow Ball.</p>

    <p>Any Taunt user can stop Amoonguss in its tracks if it doesn't have Mental Herb. A Rock Slide user can help to take out Thundurus and Tornadus, the most common users of Taunt, while an Ice Beam or Blizzard user can hurt the genies as well as Whimsicott. Thundurus and Tornadus with Substitute are often used to stall out turns of Trick Room, and can completely obstruct any of Amoonguss's assaults if it does not possess Hidden Power Ice. A Rock Slide user like such as Conkeldurr can break their Substitutes, while Gigalith can outspeed Amoonguss and Rock Slide to break the Substitute with Rock Slide, allowing Amoonguss to put them to sleep. Pokemon like such as Terrakion or Virizion can use Safeguard to stop Amoonguss from using Spore; a Taunt user like such as Tornadus or a Pokemon like such as Archeops that can OHKO them before they use Safeguard can allow Amoonguss to bypass this and put the opponent to sleep.</p>


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    Just a few instances of Pokemon left uncapitalized, a misspelling of Terrakion and the wrong use of setup. I highlighted the whole words so that they're easier to see.

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    [OVERVIEW]
    <p>Amoonguss's excellent bulk and typing allows it to take both physical and special hits, and a key resistance to common Fighting-type attacks helps it immensely. Its access to Spore and Rage Powder allows it to fit into any team, and especially helps Trick Room teams to set up. However, many common Pokemon such as Tornadus, Reuniclus, and Chandelure can easily OHKO it, and its low Speed stat means it can't do much to stop this. Overall, though, its huge bulk and access to Spore makes Amoonguss an excellent choice for almost any team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Support
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Rage Powder
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Protect / Hidden Power Ice
    nature: Bold / Relaxed
    ability: Effect Spore
    item: Mental Herb / Coba Berry / Lum Berry
    evs: 196 HP / 156 Def / 156 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Spore, in conjunction with Amoonguss's excellent bulk, will almost always incapacitate an opponent the first turn unless they specifically prepare for it. Rage Powder allows Amoonguss to help its team set up field effects such as Tailwind or Trick Room, and with its bulk, it can easily take moves that could OHKO frailer Pokemon. It also attracts Beat Up, so the vaunted Beat Up Whimsicott-Terrakion combination utterly fails against Amoonguss leads. Giga Drain allows Amoonguss to 2HKO Terrakion, and do some damage to Water-types like Jellicent or Samurott, while healing back HP. It also helps to break Focus Sashes. Protect allows it to stall the opponent, and gives its partner time to take out whatever may be threatening Amoonguss. The EVs give it good overall bulk.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Hidden Power Ice can work well over Protect; although Amoonguss loses the ability to survive a turn of a move that would OHKO it, it lets Amoonguss hit the genies and Dragon-types for a good amount of damage, which can help immensely if it's the last Pokemon on the field. Coba Berry is a viable choice over Mental Herb; although Amoonguss loses the ability to bypass Taunt and Encore, a Coba Berry allows it to take a Flight Jewel-boosted Acrobatics from Tornadus or Archeops, two of its common counters, and survive to put them to sleep with Spore.</p>

    <p>A Relaxed nature can be used as well, but Amoongus doesn't outspeed other Pokemon with 30 base Speed, such as Musharna and Reuniclus, and it will thus be unable to use Spore on them before they use Psychic to severely damage or KO Amoonguss. A Relaxed nature also does not allow Amoonguss to outspeed opposing Amoonguss and Spore them if Trick Room is not up. However, if Trick Room is up, a Relaxed nature will allow Amoonguss to Speed tie with these Pokemon and possibly use Spore on them before they take it out. As a lead, Amoonguss tends to do better with a Bold nature, while in the back, it generally has greater success with a Relaxed nature and 0 Speed IVs.</p>

    <p>A Lum Berry is another viable item; if Amoonguss faces another Amoonguss in a Trick Room mirror match, a Lum Berry will allow Amoonguss to always take the opposing Spore, Spore back, and remain awake and able to support its team. Trick Room teams can use Amoonguss very effectively, with Rage Powder almost guaranteeing that Trick Room will be set up, while Amoonguss can use Trick Room to abuse its low Speed and spam Spore. For this reason, Reuniclus works very well with Amoonguss as a partner, with its ability to set up Trick Room and 2HKO the entire metagame with Trick Room in effect. Amoonguss can also work well on faster teams, and its access to Rage Powder allows it to sponge an attack aimed at its partner, giving Pokemon with many weaknesses, such as Terrakion or Hydreigon, a turn to take out many of their common checks.</p>

    [OTHER OPTIONS]

    <p>Amoonguss has access to Synthesis, which increases its survivability even more, but it suffers from four-moveslot syndrome already, and is still OHKOed by strong super effective attacks or when double-targeted. Its low Speed also means it won't be able to recover health very easily. Amoonguss has access to both Rain Dance and Sunny Day, allowing it to support a rain- or sun-based team, but it has very low Speed, making it generally inferior to Pokemon like Whimsicott or Volcarona, who can set the weather up with priority or with substantial offensive presence. Substitute can work well with Amoonguss's excellent defenses, but it has no offenses to take advantage of it, and is generally much more effective just using Spore to incapacitate the opponent. Sludge Bomb is an alternate option for an attacking move, with higher base power than Giga Drain, but does not recover health, nor does it allow Amoonguss to take out Terrakion even with Safeguard up, and as such is usually an inferior choice.</p>

    <p>Amoonguss can be used well in Tailwind teams simply because of its access to Spore, allowing it to incapacitate the bulkier Pokemon that plague Tailwind teams. Although it will lose a lot of its bulk, with a Timid nature and 252 Speed EVs, it can outspeed all Pokemon up to Thundurus and Tornadus when Tailwind is up. Amoonguss can also run a whole host of other items to confound its usual counters. While Mental Herb and Coba Berry halt the most standard counters, an Occa Berry stops Chandelure's Fire Blast or Overheat from OHKOing, and a Yache Berry can allow it to survive a Vanilluxe's Ice Beam, giving it an extra turn to use Rage Powder or Spore an opponent. Focus Sash allows Amoonguss to survive an attack of any type, but means it will die after using Rage Powder, and is generally an inferior choice. While it doesn't stop these attacks, a Sitrus Berry greatly increases Amoonguss's survivability and allows it to tank neutral assaults much more easily, making it yet another viable choice.</p>

    [CHECKS AND COUNTERS]

    <p>Tornadus and Archeops can both OHKO Amoonguss with a Flight Jewel-boosted Acrobatics, giving it no chance to support the team at all. A partner such as Terrakion utilizing super effective moves or a Trick Room user such as Reuniclus can help tremendously, KOing the aforementioned threats with Rock Slide or setting up Trick Room as Amoonguss uses Protect. A Coba Berry also allows it to survive an Acrobat and put its opponent to sleep with Spore. A Fire Gem-boosted Heat Wave from Chandelure also OHKOs Amoonguss, as does an unboosted Fire Blast or Overheat. Chandelure has many weaknesses, though, and with its 80 base Speed, it's not too difficult to take out; a Terrakion's Rock Slide or Landorus's Earthquake will KO it if it's not holding Focus Sash, and a bulky Trick Room user like Musharna can set up Trick Room as Amoonguss uses Protect. Musharna, Reuniclus, and Beheeyem are Pokemon which commonly set up (add space) Trick Room, and they can all OHKO or 2HKO Amoonguss with Psychic. An Escavalier can help to rectify this, outspeeding them under Trick Room and KOing with X-Scissor or Megahorn. A Chandelure can also help if Trick Room is not up yet, 2HKOing both with Shadow Ball, or OHKOing with a Ghost-Gem boosted Shadow Ball.</p>

    <p>Any Taunt user can stop Amoonguss in its tracks if it doesn't have Mental Herb. A Rock Slide user can help to take out Thundurus and Tornadus, the most common users of Taunt, while an Ice Beam or Blizzard user can hurt the genies as well as Whimsicott. Thundurus and Tornadus with Substitute are often used to stall out turns of Trick Room, and can completely obstruct any of Amoonguss's assaults if it does not possess Hidden Power Ice. A Rock Slide user such as Conkeldurr can break their Substitutes, while Gigalith can outspeed Amoonguss in Trick Room and break the Substitute with Rock Slide, allowing Amoonguss to put them to sleep. Pokemon such as Terrakion or Virizion can use Safeguard to stop Amoonguss from using Spore; a Taunt user such as Tornadus or Whimsicott, or a Pokemon such as Archeops that can OHKO them before they use Safeguard can allow Amoonguss to bypass this and put the opponent to sleep.</p>
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    <p>Amoonguss's excellent bulk and typing allows it to take both physical and special hits, and a key resistance to common Fighting-type attacks helps it immensely. Its access to Spore and Rage Powder allows it to fit into any team, and especially helps Trick Room teams to set up. However, many common Pokemon, such as Tornadus, Reuniclus, and Chandelure, can easily OHKO it, and its low Speed stat means it can't do much to stop this. Overall, though, its huge tremendous bulk and access to Spore makes Amoonguss an excellent choice for almost any team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Support
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Rage Powder
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Protect / Hidden Power Ice
    nature: Bold / Relaxed
    ability: Effect Spore
    item: Mental Herb / Coba Berry / Lum Berry
    evs: 196 HP / 156 Def / 156 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Spore, in conjunction with Amoonguss's excellent bulk, will almost always incapacitate an opponent the first turn unless they specifically prepare for it. Rage Powder allows Amoonguss to help its team set up field effects such as Tailwind or Trick Room, and with its bulk, it can easily take moves that could OHKO frailer Pokemon. It also attracts Beat Up, so the vaunted Beat Up Whimsicott-Terrakion combination utterly fails against Amoonguss leads. Giga Drain allows Amoonguss to 2HKO Terrakion, and do some damage to Water-types like Jellicent or Samurott, Samurott while healing back HP. It also helps to break Focus Sashes. Protect allows it Amoonguss to stall the opponent, and gives its partner time to take out whatever may be threatening Amoonguss it. The EVs give it good overall bulk.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Hidden Power Ice can work well over Protect; although Amoonguss loses the ability to survive a turn of a move that would otherwise OHKO it, it lets Amoonguss hit the genies and Dragon-types for a good amount of damage, which can help immensely if Amoonguss is the last Pokemon on the field. Coba Berry is a viable choice over Mental Herb; although Amoonguss loses the ability to bypass Taunt and Encore, a Coba Berry allows it to take a Flight Jewel-boosted Acrobatics from Tornadus or Archeops, two of its common counters, and survive to put them to sleep with Spore.</p>

    <p>A Relaxed nature can be used as well, but Amoongus doesn't outspeed other Pokemon with 30 base Speed, such as Musharna and Reuniclus, and it will thus be unable to use Spore on them before they use Psychic to severely damage or KO Amoonguss. A Relaxed nature also does not allow Amoonguss to outspeed opposing Amoonguss and Spore them if Trick Room is not up. However, if Trick Room is up, a Relaxed nature will allow Amoonguss to Speed tie with these Pokemon and possibly use Spore on them, incapitating them before they can take it out. As a lead, Amoonguss tends to do better with a Bold nature, while in the back, nature. However, if Amoonguss isn't being used as a lead, it generally has greater success with a Relaxed nature and 0 Speed IVs.</p>

    <p>A Lum Berry is another viable item; if Amoonguss faces another Amoonguss in a Trick Room mirror match, a Lum Berry will allow Amoonguss to always take the opposing Spore, Spore back, and remain awake and able to support its team. Trick Room teams can use utilize Amoonguss very effectively, with as Rage Powder can almost always guaranteeing guarantee that Trick Room will be set up, while Amoonguss can use Trick Room to abuse its low Speed and spam Spore. For this reason, Reuniclus works very well with is an excellent partner for Amoonguss as a partner, with due to its ability to set up Trick Room and 2HKO the entire metagame with Trick Room in effect. Amoonguss can also work well on faster teams, and its access to Rage Powder allows it to sponge an attack aimed at its partner, giving Pokemon with many weaknesses, such as Terrakion or Hydreigon, a turn to take out many of their common checks.</p>

    [OTHER OPTIONS]

    <p>Amoonguss has access to Synthesis, which increases its survivability even more, but it suffers from four-moveslot syndrome already, and is still OHKOed by strong super effective attacks or when double-targeted. Its low Speed also means it won't be able to recover health very easily. Amoonguss has access to both Rain Dance and Sunny Day, allowing it to support a rain- or sun-based team, but it has very low Speed, making it generally inferior to Pokemon like Whimsicott or Volcarona, who can set the weather up with priority or with substantial offensive presence. Substitute can work well with Amoonguss's excellent defenses, but it has no offenses lacks the offensive stats to take advantage of it, and is generally much more effective just using Spore to incapacitate the opponent. Sludge Bomb is an alternate option for an attacking move, with move that has higher base power Base Power than Giga Drain, but does not recover health, nor does it allow Amoonguss to take out Terrakion even with Safeguard up, and as such is usually an inferior choice.</p>

    <p>Amoonguss can be used well in Tailwind teams simply because of its access to Spore, allowing it to incapacitate the bulkier Pokemon that plague Tailwind teams. Although it will lose a lot of its bulk, with utilizing a Timid nature and 252 Speed EVs causes Amoonguss to lose a lot of bulk, it can outspeed all Pokemon up to Thundurus and Tornadus when Tailwind is up. Amoonguss can also run a whole host of other items to confound its usual counters. While Mental Herb and Coba Berry halt the most standard counters, an Occa Berry stops Chandelure's Fire Blast or Overheat from OHKOing, and a Yache Berry can allow it to survive a Vanilluxe's Ice Beam, giving it an extra turn to use Rage Powder or Spore an opponent. Focus Sash allows Amoonguss to survive an attack of any type, but means it will die after using Rage Powder, and is generally an inferior choice. While it doesn't stop these attacks, a Sitrus Berry greatly increases Amoonguss's survivability and allows it to tank neutral assaults much more easily, making it yet another viable choice.</p>

    [CHECKS AND COUNTERS]

    <p>Tornadus and Archeops can both OHKO Amoonguss with a Flight Jewel-boosted Acrobatics, giving it no chance to support the team at all. A partner such as Terrakion utilizing super effective moves or a Trick Room user such as Reuniclus can help tremendously, KOing the aforementioned threats with Rock Slide or setting up Trick Room as Amoonguss uses Protect. A Coba Berry also allows it Amoonguss to survive an Acrobat and put its opponent to sleep with Spore. A Fire Gem-boosted Heat Wave from Chandelure also OHKOes Amoonguss, as does an unboosted Fire Blast or Overheat. Chandelure has many weaknesses, though, and with its 80 base Speed, it's not too difficult to take out; a Terrakion's Rock Slide or Landorus's Earthquake will KO it if it's not holding Focus Sash, and a bulky Trick Room user like Musharna can set up Trick Room as Amoonguss uses Protect. Musharna, Reuniclus, and Beheeyem are Pokemon which commonly set up Trick Room, and they can all OHKO or 2HKO Amoonguss with Psychic. An Escavalier can help to rectify this, outspeeding them the above threats under Trick Room and KOing with X-Scissor or Megahorn. A Chandelure can also help if Trick Room is not up yet, 2HKOing both with Shadow Ball, or OHKOing with a Ghost-Gem boosted Shadow Ball.</p>

    <p>Any Taunt user can stop Amoonguss in its tracks if it doesn't have Mental Herb. A Rock Slide user can help to take out Thundurus and Tornadus, the most common users of Taunt, while an Ice Beam or Blizzard user can hurt the genies as well as Whimsicott. Thundurus and Tornadus with Substitute are often used to stall out turns of Trick Room, and can completely obstruct any of Amoonguss's assaults if it does not possess Hidden Power Ice. A Rock Slide user such as Conkeldurr can break their Substitutes, while Gigalith can outspeed Amoonguss in Trick Room and break the Substitute with Rock Slide, allowing Amoonguss to put them to sleep. Pokemon such as Terrakion or Virizion can use Safeguard to stop Amoonguss from using Spore; a Taunt user such as Tornadus or Whimsicott, or a Pokemon such as Archeops that can OHKO them before they use Safeguard can allow Amoonguss to bypass this and put the opponent to sleep. Spore.</p>


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