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Amoonguss (GP 1/3)

Discussion in 'Dream World Analyses' started by Danilo, May 8, 2012.

  1. Danilo

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    Agoongus

    [Overview]

    <p>Amoonguss is one in a long line of Grass- / Poison-types with decent stats and an okay movepool. So why would you ever consider Amoonguss for a spot on your team? Firstly, Amoonguss's Grass- / Poison typing is surprisingly useful in the DW OU metagame. With rain teams on the rise, Amoonguss can switch into many top threats found on rain teams, such as Zapdos and Keldeo without the uncommon Choice Specs, and threaten them with Hidden Power Ice or Giga Drain respectively. In a tier dominated by the likes of Terrakion and Keldeo, Amoonguss's Fighting-type resistance can allow the mushroom to switch into many powerful Fighting-type STAB moves.</p>

    <p>What really sets Amoonguss apart from other Grass- / Poison-types is Regenerator, one of the best abilities in a fast-paced metagame like DW OU. Not having to waste a moveslot on a recovery move allows Amoonguss to make full use of its moveset. Additionally, Regenerator allows Amoonguss to heal off entry hazard damage as the mushroom regains HP when it switches out. To put icing on the cake, Amoonguss has access to Spore, arguably the best move in the game, which can potentially disable a threat for the duration of the match. If you're looking for a great switch-in to many of DW's top threats, look no further than Amoonguss.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Tank
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Clear Smog / Stun Spore
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Shed Shell / Leftovers
    nature: Bold
    ability: Regenerator
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is easily Amoonguss's best set. Spore is what sets Amoonguss apart from other Grass- / Poison-types as it's one of the best moves in the game. Spore is useful for disabling Genesect and Heatran, both omnipresent Amoonguss checks in DW OU. With BW's sleep mechanics, a one hundred percent accurate sleep inducing move can incapacitate a Pokemon for the rest of the match. Giga Drain is Amoonguss's best STAB move, dealing good chunks of damage to Water-types, such as Keldeo and Politoed. Clear Smog prevents set-up sweepers from taking advantage of Amoonguss once the mushroom has already used Spore. However, Stun Spore is useful for crippling fast offensive Amoonguss switch-ins like Genesect and Garchomp. Hidden Power Ice is incredibly useful for taking down the popular Dragon-types in DW OU, namely Garchomp and Dragonite, both of whom take little from Giga Drain. However, Hidden Power Fire is a viable option for taking out Steel-types that may try to take advantage of Amoonguss, like Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Genesect.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Shed Shell is the preferred item, as Amoonguss is easily revenge killed by Chandelure. If Chandelure is not a huge problem for your team, feel free to use Leftovers. As mentioned previously, Regenerator is one of the best abilities in a fast paced metagame like DW OU, so increased longevity without the cost of a moveslot is always appreciated. The EVs maximize Amoonguss's physical bulk and HP to make the mushroom a fine physical wall. If you don't want to use a physical EV spread, feel free to use a specially defensive EV spread to shut down special attackers such as Zapdos and Keldeo more effectively. The spread for this set would be 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Def and a Calm nature.</p>

    <p>Since Amoonguss walls such a significant portion of the DW OU metagame, teammates that can sweep with those Pokemon incapacitated or removed make great partners. Tyranitar has good type synergy with Amoonguss and can take on the powerful special attackers that defeat Amoonguss, such as Chandelure and Latios. Additionally, Amoonguss can take on Keldeo, one of Tyranitar's biggest counters. In a similar aspect, Heatran also has decent type synergy with Amoonguss and can take on powerful special attackers for Amoonguss. Amoonguss takes on Keldeo and Breloom for Heatran, two large Heatran counters. Politoed is a fine Amoonguss teammate as it lessens the damage Fire-type moves do to Amoonguss with the its Drizzle ability.</p>

    <p>Teammates that can deal with Genesect, one of Amoonguss's most popular checks, make for good partners. Notable examples of Pokemon that can deal with the metal bug are Heatran and Jellicent. Speaking of Heatran, it can switch in on Amoonguss without fear once Amoonguss has already put something to sleep, and proceed to finish off the mushroom with a Fire Blast. Thus, something that can take on Heatran effectively, such as Tyranitar or Jellicent, makes for a good Amoonguss partner. </p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Amoonguss has access to some useful moves. Payback is useful for discouraging Chandelure from setting up Substitutes. Toxic is a legitimate option over Stun Spore if you don't care about paralysis. Amoonguss has access to Sunny Day and Rain Dance, so the aforementioned moves can be used on sun or rain teams respectively as a back-up plan. Synthesis can be used but is not recommended due to the number of sand and rain teams running rampant in DW OU. Synthesis is a fine option, however, if you're using Amoonguss on a sun team. Similarly, Growth can also be used on a sun team to make Amoonguss a bulky sweeper, but you're better off using Venusaur. Although Amoonguss's movepool is rather shallow, it has all it needs to be effective.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>More offensive teams should have no problem dealing with Amoonguss, despite the mushroom's walling capabilities. When playing against Amoonguss, it's necessary to maintain momentum with Pokemon such as Rotom-W, who lure in Amoonguss, and then Volt Switch out into something like Heatran who can scorch the mushroom with a Fire Blast. Genesect is a fine switch-in to Amoonguss once the mushroom has put something to asleep and can either take out the mushroom with an Ice Beam or Flamethrower, or maintain momentum with U-turn. Since most offensive teams rely on momentum, a Rapid Spin user is useful to ensure that you can continue to maintain momentum against Amoonguss users for the majority of the battle. Finally, Chandelure is popular on many offensive teams and can trap the mushroom with Shadow Tag and OHKO with Fire Blast or Overheat. Rain teams can use Manaphy to its full potential, as with Hydration, the Water-type can ignore Spore and takes little from Giga Drain after a Calm Mind. Even if Manaphy is not utilizing Calm Mind, it can set up a Tail Glow or two and finish off Amoonguss with an Ice Beam.</p>

    <p>Stall teams have the most trouble against Amoonguss since the mushroom absorbs Toxic Spikes and Amoonguss doesn't care too much about entry hazards because or random Scald burns because of Regenerator. Finally, Amoonguss is immune to Toxic, one of stall's best ways of taking down teams. Thus, having a Heatran on your stall team will give you a great answer to teams running Amoonguss. With a status absorber, Heatran can freely switch into Amoonguss fearing nothing and can set up Stealth Rock on a predicted switch, Roar on a predicted switch, or use Lava Plume to scorch the mushroom.</p>
  2. Danilo

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    ready for gp
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    "Amoongus has access to Spore, arguably the best ability in the game"

    Should be "move"
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    The Pokemon's name is Amoonguss. Not Amoongus.
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    Has this even been approved yet..?
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    it was approved when porii wrote it i believe
    not wrote but when porii did the skele
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    I'm sorry, but this analysis is really sub-par for the standards we're expecting. The content is lacking, the prose is somewhat disappointing, and you spelled the Pokemon's name wrong... I'm going to need to see some big rewrites before this can be approved. And yes, this will go through approval again. It's a relatively important Pokemon in the Dream World metagame, so I'd like to see a good job done on it.
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    I have redone your introduction for you to sound more concise and not so foreign as well as the checks and counters section.

    [Overview]

    <p>Dream World OU tends to have a much more offensive gameplay than the OU metagame and Amonguss stands out as a new utility counter to protect against this offensive tyranny. With its now usable ability Regenerator, coupled with 114 / 70 / 80 defenses, Amonguss is now ready to counter many prominent threats such as Keldeo, Zapados, and Breloom. It is especially effective against rain teams, easily taking on Politoed and the boosting sweepers that follow his cloud. Thanks to Amonguss' secondary Poison typing, Amonguss is hailed as being able to counter most fighting types, including the omnipresent Terrakion.</p>

    <p>Although Amonguss may lack reliable recovery, this is more than made up by its coveted Regenerator ability, which allows it to switch out at will. To make it all the more effective, Amonguss has access to Spore, arguably the best move in the game, especially with BW’s sleep mechanics. While Amonguss' looks seem like something to laugh at, Amonguss can quickly change the momentum of the battle, draining your opponent’s offenses and adding to yours.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Espeon and Xatu easily turn Amonguss into cream of mushroom soup. Shaking its fake Poké Balls as with all its might, Amonguss cannot do anything respectable to the aforementioned Pokémon as they reflect back his Spore, while either of the two can put Amonguss down with a STAB Psychic. Genesect can easily take Amonguss down with a boosted Flamethrower or Ice Beam after a turn of hazard damage, or U-turn out on the predicted switch to maintain offensive momentum. Once the Sleep Clause has been activated, Amonguss becomes much more easy to deal with. Fire-types can grill the mushroom, with Heatran and Chandelure being particularly hazardous. The latter can also setup a Substitute and proceed to Calm Mind if Amonguss lacks Shed Shell. Skarmory and Ferrothorn take little from Amonguss' attacks and can set up hazards while Amonguss does little in return.</p>

    Edit: I guess all of this was for naught as you updated the analysis while I was writing this.
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    thanks for trying to help but i already redid the c&c and the overview. thanks anyways though
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    i rewrote everything but the oo since Amoonguss' movepool isn't decent outside of Spore
    ready for approval/rejection
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    Mention Politoed as a good partner for providing rain--Amoonguss becomes that much harder to take down (just look at rainstall). Chandelure can also go in Checks and Counters since it acts much like Heatran in being able to switch in to not-status and roast 'Moonguss.
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    I'd hardly say that it threatens Zapdos, considering it has pretty low SpA, HP is neither STAB nor a powerful move, and Zapdos always has Roost. Might want to give a better example of a Pokemon it threatens.
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    Since most of the content here is the same as Porii's there isn't much that needs changing as far as content goes.

    That said:

    Genesect is NOT arguably the best counter to Amoonguss. I really don't get the line of reasoning for this at all. It fears Spore, Stun Spore, HP Fire, etc...

    In Checks and Counters mention Manaphy in the rain who doesn't give two shits about Amoonguss and can set up easily.

    Consider this approved. However, the prose and grammar here is quite poor. I'm requiring a minimum of three GP checks.
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    ehh gp me i checked this over ;D
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    Okay I just started the Overview and again I'm seeing questionable material.
    Amoonguss is a shaky counter to Zapdos, as its own Hidden Power Ice powered by Life Orb will 2HKO Amoonguss. A check at best. Timid Life Orb Keldeo's Hydro Pump will 2HKO Amoonguss, so it can't switch in there. It can switch in while Keldeo uses Calm Mind, but it better hopes it survives the inbound Hydro Pump (it has a chance to die if Keldeo has Life Orb)... and even if it survives, all it can really do is Spore then switch. It can't switch into Choice Specs at all as it will be KOed the next turn. Again, a check at best. Counters are supposed to switch in and not be severely crippled. Regenerator only heals 33% so if its HP is too low, it's not going to counter anything the next time it comes in.
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    Life Orb Keldeo is pretty rare along with Life Orb Zapdos. Most Zapdos are the Sub Roost variant, meaning that you can't be PP stalled because they're not using Pressure. Additionally, they can't Toxic you because you're a Poison-type. Eventually you will be able to use Spore as they Roost(or most of the time they will switch out and take Stealth Rock damage) so I'd say that Keldeo is a fine Zapdos check. I might remove Keldeo since LO variants are much much more common than Life Orb Zapdos, but once again, most Keldeo's run Leftovers.

    so yeah, Amoonugss counters mre than half of Keldeo's in DW, seems like a fine Keldeo check.

    Oh here's the Zapdos stats too
    so yeah, Amoonguss is checking these mons most of the time with ease. Nothing really questionable unless you consider checking approximately 80% of Keldeo's questionable and about 63% of Zapdos sets. All change the "questionable" material to say something along the lines of checking Keldeo's not carrying the uncommon Choice Specs or something along those lines :)
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    Amateur GP check

    Blue = Add
    Red = Delete

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    a good check was implemented, ready for an official check
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    [Overview]

    <p>Amoonguss is one in a long line of Grass- / Poison-(add hyphens)types with decent stats and an okay movepool. So why would you ever consider Amoonguss for a spot on your team? Firstly, Amoonguss's Grass / Poison typing is surprisingly useful in the DW OU metagame. With rain teams on the rise, Amoonguss can switch into many top threats found on rain teams, such as Zapdos and Keldeo without the uncommon Choice Specs, and threaten them with Hidden Power Ice or Giga Drain respectively. In a tier dominated by the likes of Terrakion and Keldeo, Amoonguss's Fighting-type resistance can allow the mushroom to switch into many powerful Fighting-type STAB moves.</p>

    <p>What really sets Amoonguss apart from other Grass- / Poison-(add hyphens)types is Regenerator, one of the best abilities in a fast-paced metagame like DW OU. Not having to waste a moveslot on a recovery move allows Amoonguss to make full use of its moveset. Additionally, Regenerator allows Amoonguss to heal off entry hazard damage as the mushroom regains HP when it switches out. To put icing on the cake, Amoonguss has access to Spore, arguably the best move in the game, which can potentially disable a threat for the duration of the match. If you're looking for a great switch-in to many of DW's top threats, look no further than Amoonguss.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Tank
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Clear Smog / Stun Spore
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Shed Shell / Leftovers
    nature: Bold
    ability: Regenerator
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is easily Amoonguss's best and most common set. Spore is what sets Amoonguss apart from other Grass / Poison types(you know what to do) as it's one of the best moves in the game. Spore is useful for disabling Genesect and Heatran, both omnipresent Amoonguss checks in DW OU. With BW's sleep mechanics, a one hundred percent accurate sleep inducing move can disable incapacitate a Pokemon for the rest of the match. Giga Drain is Amoonguss's best STAB move, dealing good chunks of damage to most Water-types, namely such as Keldeo and Politoed. Clear Smog prevents set-up sweepers from taking advantage of Amoonguss once the mushroom has already used Spore. However, Stun Spore is useful for crippling fast offensive Amoonguss switch-ins like Genesect and Garchomp. Hidden Power Ice is incredibly useful for taking down the popular Dragon-types in DW OU, namely Garchomp and Dragonite, both of whom take little from Giga Drain. However, Hidden Power Fire is a viable option for taking out Steel-types that may try to take advantage of Amoonguss, like such as Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Genesect.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Shed Shell is the preferred item,[comma] as Amoonguss is easily revenge killed by Chandelure. If Chandelure is not a huge problem for your team, feel free to use Leftovers. As mentioned previously, Regenerator is one of the best abilities in a fast paced metagame like DW OU, so increased longevity without the cost of a moveslot is always appreciated. The EVs maximize Amoonguss's physical bulk and HP to make the mushroom a fine physical wall. If you don't want to use a physical EV spread, feel free to use a specially defensive EV spread to shut down special attackers such as Zapdos and Keldeo more effectively. The spread for this set would be 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Def and a Calm nature.</p>

    <p>Since Amoonguss walls such a significant portion of the DW OU metagame, teammates that can sweep with those Pokemon incapacitated or removed make great partners. ease once Amoonguss has taken down the Pokemon it walls make for great Amoonguss partners. Tyranitar has good type synergy with Amoonguss and can take on the powerful special attackers that defeat Amoonguss, such as Chandelure and Latios. Additionally, Amoonguss can take on Keldeo, one of Tyranitar's biggest counters. In a similar aspect, Heatran also has decent type synergy with Amoonguss and can take on powerful special attackers for Amoonguss. Amoonguss takes on Keldeo and Breloom for Heatran, two large Heatran counters. Politoed is a fine Amoonguss teammate as it lessens the damage Fire-type moves do to Amoonguss with the its Drizzle ability.</p>

    <p>Teammates that can deal with Genesect, one of Amoonguss's most popular checks, make for good partners. Notable examples of Pokemon that can deal with the metal bug are Heatran and Jellicent. Speaking of Heatran, it can switch in on Amoonguss without fear once Amoonguss has already put something to sleep, and proceed to finish off the mushroom with a Fire Blast. Thus, something that can take on Heatran effectively, such as Tyranitar or Jellicent, makes for a good Amoonguss partner. </p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Amoonguss has access to some useful moves. Payback is useful for discouraging Chandelure from setting up Substitutes. Toxic is a legitimate option over Stun Spore if you don't care about paralysis. Amoonguss has access to Sunny Day and Rain Dance, so the aforementioned moves can be used on sun or rain teams respectively as a back-up plan. Synthesis can be used but is not recommended due to the number of sand and rain teams running rampant in DW OU. Synthesis is a fine option, however, if you're using Amoonguss on a sun team. Similarly, Growth can also be used on a sun team to make Amoonguss a bulky sweeper, but you're better off using Venusaur. Although Amoonguss's movepool is rather shallow, it has all it needs to be effective.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>More offensive teams should have no problem dealing with Amoonguss, despite the mushroom's walling capabilities. When playing against Amoonguss, it's necessary to maintain momentum with Pokemon such as Rotom-W, who lure in Amoonguss, and then Volt Switch out into something like Heatran who can scorch the mushroom with a Fire Blast. Genesect is a fine switch-in to Amoonguss once the mushroom has put something to asleep and can either take out the mushroom with an Ice Beam or Flamethrower, or maintain momentum with U-turn. Since most offensive teams rely on momentum, a Rapid Spin user is useful to ensure that you can continue to maintain momentum against Amoonguss users for the majority of the battle. Finally, Chandelure is popular on many offensive teams and can trap the mushroom with Shadow Tag and OHKO with Fire Blast or Overheat. Rain teams can use Manaphy to its full potential, as with Hydration, the Water-type can ignore Spore and takes little from Giga Drain after a Calm Mind. Even if Manaphy is not utilizing Calm Mind, it can set up a Tail Glow or two and finish off Amoonguss with an Ice Beam.</p>

    <p>Stall teams have the most trouble against Amoonguss since the mushroom absorbs Toxic Spikes and Amoonguss doesn't care too much about entry hazards or random Scald burns because of Regenerator. Amoognuss also cares very little about random Scald burns because of Regenerator. Finally, Amoonguss is immune to Toxic, one of stall's best ways of taking down teams. Thus, having a Heatran on your stall team will give you a great answer to teams running Amoonguss. With a status absorber, Heatran can freely switch into Amoonguss fearing nothing and can set up Stealth Rock on a predicted switch, Roar on a predicted switch, or use Lava Plume to scorch the mushroom.</p>

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