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Amoonguss (QC 3/3) (GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Raseri, Sep 17, 2012.

  1. Raseri

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    [Overview]

    <p>A combination of great mixed bulk, Regenerator, and Spore make Amoonguss both a key player in many teams and one of the most used Pokemon in the NU metagame. Its bulk and access to crippling status moves&mdash;including the coveted Spore&mdash;allow it to take on many prominent threats such as Samurott, Cinccino (provided Amoonguss has Rocky Helmet), Choice Scarf Sawk, and Pinsir. Amoonguss's access to Regenerator allows it to fit on a wider variety of teams than the former bulky Grass-types of choice, Tangela and Vileplume, forcing both into obscurity. Spore&mdash;with BW's sleep mechanics&mdash;is capable of putting a Pokemon out of commission for the entire match, making it a godsend for a defensive Pokemon such as Amoonguss. Base 85 Special Attack, while not outstanding, is passable and allows Amoonguss to do decent damage with just its STAB moves; it is also just strong enough to warrant the use of a Life Orb set. However, Amoonguss's defenses aren't impenetrable, and it is weak to many common threats in NU, particularly Emboar. Amoonguss's Speed is also absolutely pathetic, leaving it outsped by even the likes of Regirock and Golem. Moreover, once Spore is used, Amoonguss can have a hard time accomplishing much else. Despite these flaws, Amoonguss is one of the best defensive Pokemon in the tier and should be considered for a spot on every NU team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Pivot
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Sludge Bomb
    move 4: Synthesis / Stun Spore
    item: Leftovers / Rocky Helmet
    ability: Regenerator
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the most commonly seen Amoonguss set in NU, and with good reason. It checks a wide variety of common threats, is an amazing pivot with Regenerator, and forces opponents to play carefully with its mere presence, lest one of their Pokemon fall victim to crippling status. Spore is the crux of the set, capable of either crippling an opposing Pokemon or luring sleep fodder into switching into one of Amoonguss's moderately powerful attacks. Giga Drain is an irreplaceable STAB move, as it is not only capable of dealing a lot of damage to Golem, Golurk, and Samurott but also of healing Amoonguss in the process. Sludge Bomb is a powerful secondary STAB move, getting a super effective hit on Grass-types that would otherwise wall Amoonguss entirely, particularly Sawsbuck, which is immune to everything else in its moveset. Sludge Bomb also hits a lot of Pokemon that resist Giga Drain, such as Rotom-S, Emboar, and Swellow, for neutral damage. Synthesis and Stun Spore are both great options in the last moveslot. Synthesis lets Amoonguss recover without switching out, which can come in handy in a pinch. On the other hand, Stun Spore allows Amoonguss to remain a threat after Spore has been used; paralysis can be amazing for an offensive team.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Physical bulk is maximized so that Amoonguss can take on a variety of physical attackers such as Samurott and Absol. Leftovers provides passive recovery, allowing Amoonguss to heal without having to switch out or use Synthesis. On the other hand, Rocky Helmet's damaging effect can significantly hurt Pokemon such as Sawk, Gurdurr, Kangaskhan, and Cinccino when they attack Amoonguss with contact moves. In particular, Cinccino is demolished by Rocky Helmet, as its Skill Link-boosted Tail Slap incurs almost 85% damage on it in a single turn. Substitute can be used over Stun Spore or Synthesis, allowing Amoonguss to scout switch-ins and use Spore more selectively; it works particularly well with Regenerator, which allows Amoonguss to restore the HP lost to Substitute by simply switching out. Clear Smog can be used to deter set up, but Spore and Sludge Bomb are not only sufficient in doing this but generally do the job better. Hidden Power Ice and Ground respectively hit Dragon- and Poison-types super effectively, but their situational usefulness is usually outweighed by the general utility of Amoonguss's other moves. Protect can be used to scout the attacks common Choice item users, such as Braviary and Emboar, lock themselves into, but has little use otherwise. A specially defensive set is very viable, allowing Amoonguss to check specially based Water-types a lot easier. However, the metagame's bias towards physical attackers make it the inferior set. Alomomola is an incredible teammate, pairing with Amoonguss to form one of the most well-known cores in NU: the Regenerator core. This core is capable of walling the majority of the metagame, each member resisting the other's weaknesses and being largely undeterred by entry hazards. Sweepers that struggle with Gurdurr and Swords Dance Samurott, such as Klang, Cradily, Armaldo, Cacturne, and Pinsir, are great teammates, as Amoonguss can handle them fairly easily. Amoonguss appreciates support from Pokemon that can beat Flying- and Fire-types; Rock-types perform this role very well, making Regirock and Golem great teammates. One should always keep in mind that Amoonguss should never be the center of a team, as its job is to fix weaknesses that a team might have.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Sludge Bomb
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Hidden Power Ground / Stun Spore
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Regenerator
    nature: Modest
    evs: 216 HP / 156 Def / 124 SpA / 16 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Amoonguss's base 85 Special Attack hits surprisingly hard when invested and boosted by Life Orb. Spore is a staple on all Amoonguss sets, as it almost always guarantees that a Pokemon will be crippled for the rest of the match. Sludge Bomb is the primary STAB attack, as it is very strong and has solid neutral coverage in the tier, hitting many Pokemon that would normally switch into a defensive set with little fear, such as Emboar and Magmar, extremely hard. Giga Drain complements Sludge Bomb's coverage, hitting Ground- and Rock-types super effectively, and it also recovers lost HP and offsets Life Orb recoil all at the same time. Additionally, this set's Giga Drain is also noticeably stronger than that of a more defensive set, capable of OHKOing Marowak and Samurott. Hidden Power Ground allows Amoonguss to hit Steel-types, such as Klang, and 2HKOes offensive Skuntank, both of which would otherwise set up on it. Stun Spore's use is generally outweighed by Hidden Power Ground's, but paralysis helps cripple faster threats, allowing Amoonguss to both outspeed said threats, and support one's team.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread allows Amoonguss to survive a Megahorn from +2 Samurott and retaliate with Giga Drain. A faster EV spread running 164 Speed EVs is possible if you want to outspeed and Spore defensive base 50s such as Regirock. A more offensive EV spread is usable if Samurott isn't a concern. Synthesis can be used in the last moveslot to recover Life Orb damage, but the loss of utility or coverage is off-putting. Hidden Power Ice can be used to hit Dragon-types, such as Altaria, hard, but does little else. Gorebyss is a great partner, as this set can lure and defeat Choice Scarf Rotom-S, making it easier for Gorebyss to sweep. This set lures in and defeats most Fire-types, so offensive Grass-types that struggle with them, such as Sawsbuck, Leafeon, and Torterra, make good partners. When running Hidden Power Ground in order to defeat Skuntank, Psychic-types, such as Musharna and Gardevoir, become great partners, as they struggle to remove it themselves. Zangoose is a good partner, as Amoonguss handles most of the best ways to defeat it, primarily Regenerator cores and Rock- and Steel-types. The removal of these threats makes a Zangoose sweep incredibly easy. Rock-types, such as Regirock, make good partners because they lure in Fighting- and Water-type Pokemon that Amoonguss can take advantage of.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Amoonguss can use Choice Specs instead of Life Orb on the offensive set, but the inability to switch attacks limits its offensive presence. Body Slam is an option to spread paralysis while doing damage, but the damage is largely negligible, and the paralysis chance unreliable. Foul Play is a very interesting move; it hits some Pokemon with high Attack stats harder than Amoonguss would be able to hit them otherwise. Unfortunately, many Pokemon with high Attack stats also resist Dark-type moves, making it an inferior option. Growth can be used to boost Amoonguss's Special Attack, but Amoonguss doesn't have the offensive presence or the Speed to sweep. Amoonguss makes a surprisingly good weather setter; it can use Rain Dance or Sunny Day very well, its bulk and Regenerator often allowing it to set up weather multiple times in a match. Toxic is nifty to hit Pokemon on stall teams, but Amoonguss would much rather use Spore or Stun Spore against most targets. Worry Seed is a cool move to incapacitate Pokemon that rely on their ability, such as Duosion, but most of the time won't accomplish much because the opponent can just switch out.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Magmar is Amoonguss's best check, as it has Vital Spirit to be immune to Spore, Eviolite to take the more defensive set's Sludge Bombs, and STAB Fire Blast to handle Amoonguss; however, Magmar does not appreciate the offensive set's Sludge Bomb, nor does it like being paralyzed or poisoned. Hypno and Electabuzz cannot be slept, courtesy of their abilities, but, like Magmar, are impeded by Amoonguss's other moves. Sap Sipper absorbs Stun Spore, Giga Drain, and Spore, so Pokemon such as Miltank, Sawsbuck, or even Zebstrika and Girafarig, can stand up to Amoonguss. Due to Spore, the best course of action when facing an Amoonguss is often to sacrifice your least useful Pokemon as sleep fodder, then work from there. Bulky Substitute users, such as Lickilicky, Klang, and Braviary, can set up on the pivot set with ease. Arbok sets up on all of Amoonguss's sets without Hidden Power Ground courtesy of its resistance to Amoonguss's STABs and its ability, Shed Skin, which gives it a pseudo-immunity to status. After Spore has been used, Fire-types, such as Emboar, Charizard, Torkoal, and Rapidash, check Amoonguss quite well. Flying-types, such as Braviary, Rotom-S, and Swellow, also do quite well if they can avoid Spore. Ice-types, such as Glaceon, Regice, and Articuno, although also vulnerable to Spore, destroy Amoonguss with their STAB, particularly if they use Substitute to protect themselves from status. Even Psychic-types, such as Beheeyem, Gardevoir, and Musharna, can defeat Amoonguss after it has used Spore, though they can't risk switching into it. Amoonguss is actually very difficult to counter, as very few Pokemon can switch into Spore; however, once Amoonguss uses the move it becomes quite easy to take advantage of. Due to Regenerator, it is almost impossible to wear down Amoonguss over the course of the match, so if you want to defeat it, you'll have to take it out in one strong hit!</p>
  2. Keiran

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    • 248 HP / 136 Def / 112 SpA / 12 Spe is the spread Zeb suggested to MMF on his RMT. The defence EVs let you take 2 Jolly LO Samurott Megahorn. I think it's speed creep though so the Speed EVs should be shifted into Special Attack.
    • Swellow is a notable check because it is immune to Spore after Guts is activated
    • Bulky Substitute users such as Lickilicky, Klang and Braviary can set up on Amoonguss - they also beat Alomomola who often accompany Amoonguss
    • Mention that countering Amoonguss is hard because Spore is so amazing and can basically make a Pokemon useless for an entire game
  3. Raseri

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    k i think this is ready for checks now, please be thorough since I want this to be a good analysis :)
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    Shouldn't Clear Smog be slashed in the last slot on the first set, if only to defeat Gurdurr 1 on 1, which you fail to do i think, without it?
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    Unless Amoonguss still has Spore, Gurdurr wins regardless of Clear Smog by simply spamming Ice Punch (and if you can sneak in a Bulk Up, you outspeed Amoonguss, meaning you'll shave off 48.61 - 57.4% before it gets the chance to use Clear Smog). Of course Gurdurr probably won't be much better off since it doesn't take too kindly to Giga Drains, but you really, really shouldn't be relying on Amoonguss to deal with Gurdurr if you can avoid it anyway. It can go in AC if need be but it's definitely inferior to the listed moves.

    I'll give this a thorough check later.
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    Just a thought, but you might want to mention Substitute somewhere. It's a decent option (getting all the HP you lose setting it up from Regenerator, scouting switch-ins, making Spore require less prediction, etc.) even if you do lose some coverage or utility. It's definitely better than Ingrain, which is already in Other Options.
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    I actually think this looks good. Good job rasberry!

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    Didn't someone have success with a Specs Ammonguss? Not saying it deserves a set by any means, but maybe mentioning it in the AC of the offensive set (though it is complete set up bait for so many things)
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    What about mentioning extra Speed EVs (specifically) in the OO? With 164 Spe EVs, Amoonguss outruns uninvested base 50s such as Eelektross, Regirock, Lickilicky, Piloswine, and anything below such as Armaldo or Probopass. This gives Amoonguss a much better match up in the lead position, as it can just outspeed and Spore Stealth Rock users, preventing them from setting up for, possibly, the entire game. Against offensive Pokemon, it means you can Spore before they can hit you with a coverage move or super-effective STAB. For some teams, the extra utility for Spore may be worth the decrease in bulk.
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    Pivot:

    [SET COMMENTS]

    • Leftovers / Rocky Helmet discussion goes in AC. While your at it mention Cinccino specifically as one of th reasons for Rocky Helmet
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    • Mention Special Samurott as a reason to use the SpDef spread
    • Put Substitute as another option in the last slot. Being able to pick and choose what you Spore is really fun, and Amoonguss can heal off Sub damage with Regenerator.
    • Hidden Power Fire is actually pretty decent, mainly for stopping Klang who think they can set up, so mention that. Actually thinking about it HP Ground is probably better for beating Skuntank + Klang
    • Lickilicky as a partner for Wish + taking on special attackers
    • Just make sure you get everything in the right paragraphs (you've put move options at the end when they go in the first paragraph)
    Offensive:

    [SET COMMENTS]

    • Fine.
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    • This seems really lacking compared to the first set. Maybe mention erisias EV spread when talking about a more offensive one? More teammates here pls
    • Synthesis is still a good option in the last slot.
    [Other Options]

    • WORRY SEED. Actually fun to remove Insomnia / Vital Spirit from stuff like Vigoroth. Also stops Magic Guard Duosion if you scared of that on a stall team
    • Choice Specs
    [Checks and Counters]

    • Arbok with Shed Skin walls and sets up on Amoonguss
    I'll stamp this after ^that and the AC of offensive is bigger :)!
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    k i added everything except Clear Smog since zeb covered that
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    OK I like this now

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    Mention Articuno in checks & counters. It can set-up on Amoonguss with Substitute and it does a better job at checking Amoonguss than Glaceon anyways...

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    Sorry for the delay, wanted to write this before I lost internet. So this is ready for checks
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    Amateur GP check. Take whatever you think is useful from it.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Amoonguss is the most used Pokemon in NU for a reason. A combination of great mixed bulk, Regenerator, and Spore make Amoonguss a key player in the NU metagame. Amoonguss has the bulk to take on a lot of prominent threats in the metagame, such as Samurott, Cinccino (providing Amoonguss has Rocky Helmet), Choice Scarf Sawk, and Torterra. Regenerator also allows it to compete with outclass/has allowed it to replace/a word you like better (it's your call, but I feel like Amoonguss hasn't so much competed with Tangela and Vileplume as taken their place and killed their usage) the former bulky Grass-types of choice, Tangela and Vileplume, forcing both of them into obscurity due to Amoonguss's ability to fit on a wider variety of teams. Spore is a godsend for a defensive Pokemon, (replace with semicolon) it allows Amoonguss to cripple almost (only because, like you mention later, there are a couple things immune to the move) any Pokemon on the other team, and due to the new sleep mechanics of BW they it will most likely remain asleep for the duration of the match. Base 85 Special Attack is nothing to laugh at, (replace with semicolon) it allows Amoonguss to stay offensively relevant, (remove comma) and is just strong enogugh to warrant the use of a Life Orb set. Not all is perfect for Amoonguss, as it is weak to many common threats in NU, particularly Emboar. ALlso, after Amoonguss uses Spore is it is often incapable of assisting the team as much. However, eEven ewith its few flaws, Amoonguss is one of the best defensive Pokemon in the tier.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Pivot
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Sludge Bomb
    move 4: Synthesis / Stun Spore
    item: Leftovers / Rocky Helmet
    ability: Regenerator
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is the most commonly seen Amoonguss set in NU for a reason. It maximizes physical bulk in order to allow Amoonguss to take on many physical attackers in the tier, such as Samurott. Spore is the crux of the set, as it will always effect how the opponent plays against Amoonguss, just the threat of the move will often have players sending in sleep fodder, which can promptly be hit with a powerful Sludge Bomb or Giga Drain. Spore can also be used to (nearly) permanently incapacitate a Pokemon, as sleep is incredibly powerful in BW. Giga Drain is a great STAB move, as it hits quite hard as well as and provides recovery for Amoonguss. It also hits Golem, Golurk, and Samurott very hard, and is irreplaceable because of it. Sludge Bomb is a powerful secondary STAB move for Amoonguss, hitting Grass-types that would otherwise wall it to death, particularly Sawsbuck, who is immune to Spore and Giga Drain due to Sap Sipper. Sludge Bomb also hits a lot of Pokemon that just resist Giga Drain, such as Rotom-S, Emboar, and Swellow. Synthesis and Stun Spore are both great options in the last moveslot. Synthesis lets Amoonguss recover without switching out, which can come in handy in a pinch. On the other hand, Stun Spore allows Amoonguss to remain a threat after Spore has been used; paralysis can be amazing for an offensive team.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Leftovers recovery each turn is handy, as it allows Amoonguss to heal without having to switch out or use Synthesis, allowing it to use its turns to attack or use Spore. On the other hand, Rocky Helmet allows Amoonguss to check a myriad of physical attackers even better due to the damage that it provides. In particular, Cinccino is demolished by Rocky Helmet due to its attacks Tail Slap (Bullet Seed and Rock Blast are non-contact) hitting five times due to Skill Link. Substitute can be used to scout the best time to use Spore, (replace with semicolon) it works particularly well on Amoonguss since Regenerator negates any damage caused by using Substitute. Clear Smog can be used to deter set up, but Spore and Sludge Bomb generally do the same job better. Hidden Power Ice and Ground are also both useful, the former hitting Dragon-types hard, while the latter hits Poison-types harder than any other move on the set. Protect can be used to scout the attacks common Choice item users such as Braviary and Emboar lock them selves themselves into, but has little utility otherwise. A specially defensive set is very viable, allowing Amoonguss to counter special attacking Water-types a lot easier. However, it is not as effective as the physically defensive set because the metagame is biased towards physical attackers right now. Alomomola is an incredibly teammate, they joining with Amoonguss to form the Regenerator Core which is one of the most well known cores in NU; together they wall the majority of the metagame. Sweepers that struggle with Swords Dance Samurott and Gurdurr are great teammates, particularly Klang, Cradily, Armaldo, Cacturne, and Pinsir. Amoonguss appreciates support from Pokemon that can beat Flying- and Fire-types, (change to semicolon) Rock-types perform this role very well, making Regirock and Golem great teammates. Regenerator allows Amoonguss to survive even if entry hazards are up, as it can recover off the damage caused by them just by switching. Amoonguss should never be the center of a team, its job is to plug a hole a team may have.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Sludge Bomb
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Stun Spore / Hidden Power Ground
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Regenerator
    nature: Modest
    evs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 124 SpA

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set plays like a more offensive version of the pivot set. Amoonguss's base 85 Special Attack is used here to dish out some damage, as it hits surprisingly hard. Spore is a staple on all Amoonguss sets, as it almost guarantees that a Pokemon will be crippled for the rest of the match. Sludge Bomb is the primary STAB attack on this set, as it is very strong and has solid neutral coverage in the tier, hitting many Pokemon that would switch into the pivot set extremely hard, such as Emboar of or Magmar. Giga Drain offers Amoonguss another form of recovery while also hitting Rock-, Ground-, and Water-types super effectively. Stun Spore lets Amoonguss paralyze a switch in, and the speed drop the opponent faces can allow a teammate of Amoonguss's to potentially set up on it. However, Hidden Power Ground allows Amoonguss to hit Steel-types such as Klang, who would otherwise set up on this set. It also 2HKOes offensive Skuntank, which is pretty nifty.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>the EV spread allows Amoonguss to survive a Megahorn from a +2 Swords Dance (I think you forgot the Pokemon here; is it Samurott?) and retaliate with Giga Drain. A faster EV spread running 164 Speed EVs is possible if you want to outspeed and sSpore some defensive threats such as Regirock. A more offensive EV spread is possible if you don't mind being defeated by Samurott, (remove comma) and would rather focus your efforts on being as offensive as possible. Synthesis can be used in the last moveslot to recover Life Orb damage, but the loss of utility or coverage is off putting (add dash between off and putting). Hidden Power Ice can be used to hit Dragon-types such as Altaria hard, but does little else. Gorebyss is a great partner since this set can lure and defeat Rotom-S, making it easier for Gorebyss to sweep. This set lures in and defeats most Fire-types, so offensive Grass-types that struggle with them, such as Sawsbuck, Leafeon, and Torterra make good partners. When running Hidden Power Ground in order to defeat Skuntank, Psychic-types such as Musharna and Gardevoir become great partners, as they both struggle to remove it themselves. Zangoose is a good partner since Amoonguss handles most of the best ways to defeat it, primarily Regenerator cores and Rock- and Steel-types. The removal of these threats makes a Zangoose sweep incredibly easy. Rock-types such as Regirock make good partners since they lure in Fighting- and Water-type Pokemon that Amoonguss can take advantage of.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Amoonguss can use Choice Specs instead of Life Orb on the offensive set, but the inability to switch attacks is frustrating. Body Slam is an option to spread paralysis whilst doing damage, but the damage it will deal will be negligible the majority of the time. Foul Play is a very interesting move, (change to semicolon) it hits Pokemon with high Attack stats very hard, harder than Amoonguss would be able to hit them itself. Unfortunately, many of the Pokemon with high Attack stats resist Dark-type moves, making it an inferior option. Growth can be used to boost Amoonguss's Special Attack, but Amoonguss doesn't have the offensive presence or Speed to sweep. Ingrain can be used to heal extra HP every turn, but is extremely gimmicky (maybe mention how it prevents taking advantage of Regenerator; it is something that makes Ingrain even worse on Amoonguss than it normally is on things that get it). Amoonguss makes a surprisingly good weather setter, (change to semicolon) it can use Rain Dance or Sunny Day very well and has Regenerator to use them many times in a match if needed. Toxic is nifty to hit stall teams, but Amoonguss would much rather use Spore or Stun Spore against most targets. Worry Seed is a cool move to hit Pokemon that rely on their ability, such as Duosion, but most of the time won't accomplish much because the opponent can just switch out.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Magmar is the only true counter, as it has Vital Spirit and STAB Fire Blast to handle Amoonguss. Pokemon immune to sleep work well against Amoonguss, so Pokemon such as Hypno and Electabuzz do alright. Sap Sipper is also a good way to defeat Amoonguss, so Pokemon such as Miltank, Sawsbuck (add comma) or even Zebstrika and Girafarig can stand up to it! Due to Spore, the best course of action when facing an Amoonguss is to sacrifice your least useful Pokemon to it then work from there. Bulky Substitute users such as Lickilicky, Klang, and Braviary can set up on the pivot set with ease. Arbok sets up on all Amoonguss sets due to its ability Shed Skin. After Spore has been used, Fire-types such as Emboar, Charizard, Torkoal, or and Rapidash all counter Amoonguss quite well. Flying-types such as Braviary, Rotom-S, and Swellow also do quite well if they can avoid Spore. Ice-types such as Glaceon, Regice, and Articuno also destroy Amoonguss, particularly if they use Substitute. Even Psychic-types such as Beheeyem, Gardevoir, and Musharna can defeat Amoonguss after Spore, but cant (add apostrophe) risk switching into it. Amoonguss is actually very difficult to counter, as very few Pokemon can switch into Spore, but once Spore is out of the picture it becomes just a standard defensive Pokemon that is quite easy to take on. Due to Regenerator it is impossible to wear down Amoonguss over the match, so if you want to defeat it you'll have to take it out in one strong hit!</p>
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    thanks melvni! i added your check, but removed the mention of ingrain altogether since i forgot that it doesn't let you switch out
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    The defensive spread for the offensive set is inefficient. 216 HP / 152 Def / 16 SpD has essentially the same physical defensiveness (it is better than the current spread by 0.013%) and 0.15% better special defensiveness. Strictly speaking, you should reduce HP by 2 and increase both of the defenses by 1 here to optimize defensiveness, but this is negated because Stealth Rock damage is proportionally greater for a Pokemon with 421 HP than for a Pokemon with 423 HP.
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    Thanks Great Sage! I added your EV spread over the one I had
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    heres an am check you weird orange kirby

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    [Overview]

    <p>Amoonguss is among it won't be the most used in nu forever, you must account for that the most-used Pokemon in NU for a reason. Its unique combination of solid mixed defenses, Regenerator, and Spore make Amoonguss a key player in the NU metagame. Amoonguss has the bulk to take on a lot of the most prominent threats in the metagame, such as Samurott, Cinccino (providing Amoonguss has Rocky Helmet), Choice Scarf Sawk, and Torterra, though it should be mentioned that Rocky Helmet is required for Cinccino. Regenerator makes it outclass the other bulky Grass-types of choice, Tangela and Vileplume, forcing both of them both into obscurity due to Amoonguss's ability to fit more easily onto a wider variety of teams. Spore is a godsend for a defensive Pokemon; it allows Amoonguss to cripple almost any Pokemon on the other team, and due to the new sleep mechanics of BW, it will most likely remain asleep for the duration of the match. Base 85 Special Attack is nothing to laugh at; it allows Amoonguss to stay offensively relevant and is just strong enough to make a Life Orb set viable. Not all is perfect for Amoonguss, as it is weak to many common threats in NU, particularly Emboar and Braviary. Also, after Amoonguss uses Spore, it is often incapable of assisting the team as much. However, in spite of its few flaws, Amoonguss is one of the best defensive Pokemon in the NU tier.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Pivot
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Sludge Bomb
    move 4: Synthesis / Stun Spore
    item: Leftovers / Rocky Helmet
    ability: Regenerator
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is the most commonly seen Amoonguss set in NU for a reason. style repitition For many reasons, this is the most commonly seen Amoonguss set in NU. It maximizes physical bulk in order to allow Amoonguss to take on many physical attackers in the tier, such as Samurott. wrong place, added a similar sentence to ac Spore is the crux of the set, as it will always affect how the opponent plays against Amoonguss, with just the threat of the move often causing players to send in a sleep fodder, which can promptly be hit with a powerful Sludge Bomb or Giga Drain. Spore can also be used to (nearly) permanently incapacitates a Pokemon, as sleep is incredibly powerful in BW.</p>

    <p>Giga Drain is a great STAB move, as it hits quite hard and provides recovery for Amoonguss. It also hits Golem, Golurk, and Samurott very hard, and is irreplaceable because of it. Sludge Bomb is a powerful secondary STAB move for Amoonguss, hitting Grass-types that would otherwise wall it to death, particularly Sawsbuck, who is immune to Spore and Giga Drain due to Sap Sipper. Sludge Bomb also hits a lot of Pokemon neutrally that just resist Giga Drain, such as Rotom-S, Emboar, and Swellow. Synthesis and Stun Spore are both great options in the last moveslot. Synthesis lets Amoonguss recover without switching out, which can come in handy in a pinch. On the other hand, Stun Spore allows Amoonguss to remain a threat after Spore has been used; paralysis can be amazing for an offensive team.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Physical bulk is maximized so that Amoonguss can take on a variety of physical attackers, such as Samurott and Absol. Leftovers recovery each turn is handy, as it allows Amoonguss to heal without having to switch out or use Synthesis, allowing it to use its turns to attack or use Spore. On the other hand, Rocky Helmet makes it so Amoonguss checks a myriad of physical attackers even better due to the damage that it provides. In particular, Cinccino is demolished by Rocky Helmet due to its Tail Slap hitting five times with Skill Link. Substitute can be used to scout the best time to use Spore; it works particularly well on Amoonguss since Regenerator negates any damage caused by using Substitute. Clear Smog can be used to deter set up, but Spore and Sludge Bomb generally do the same job better. Hidden Power Ice and Ground are also both useful, the former hits Dragon-types super effectively, while the latter hits Poison-types super effectively. Protect can be used to scout the attacks common Choice item users, such as Braviary and Emboar, often lock themselves into, but has little utility otherwise. A specially defensive set is very viable, allowing Amoonguss to take on special attacking Water-types much more easily. However, it is not as effective as the physically defensive set because the metagame is biased towards physical attackers right now don't be so time-specific, it makes the analysis sound outdated.</p>

    <p>Alomomola is an incredible teammate, joining with Amoonguss to form the acclaimed Regenerator core which is one of the most well known cores in NU; together they wall the majority of the metagame. Sweepers that struggle with Swords Dance Samurott and Gurdurr are great teammates, particularly Klang, Cradily, Armaldo, Cacturne, and Pinsir. Amoonguss appreciates support from Pokemon that can beat Flying- and Fire-types; Rock-types perform this role very well, making Regirock and Golem great teammates. Regenerator allows Amoonguss to survive even if entry hazards are up, as it can recover off the damage caused by them just by switching. i don't get the intent of this sentence, remove it imo Amoonguss should never be the center of a team, as its main job is to plug any hole that a team might have.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Sludge Bomb
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Stun Spore / Hidden Power Ground
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Regenerator
    nature: Modest
    evs: 216 HP / 156 Def / 124 SpA / 16 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set plays like a more offensive version of the pivot set. Amoonguss's base 85 Special Attack is utilized here to dish out some seriousdamage, as it is enough to hit surprisingly hard. Spore is a staple on all Amoonguss sets, as it almost always guarantees that a Pokemon will be crippled for the rest of the match. Sludge Bomb is the primary STAB attack on this set, as it is very strong and has solid neutral coverage in the tier, hitting many Pokemon that would switch into the pivot set extremely hard, such as Emboar and Magmar. Giga Drain offers Amoonguss another form of recovery while also hitting Rock-, Ground-, and Water-types super effectively. Stun Spore lets Amoonguss paralyze a switch in, and the Speed drop that the opponent faces can allow a teammate of Amoonguss's to potentially set up on it. However, Hidden Power Ground also has use, allowing Amoonguss to hit Steel-types, such as Klang, hard where they would otherwise set up on this set. It also 2HKOes offensive Skuntank, which is pretty nifty.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread allows Amoonguss to survive a Megahorn from a +2 Samurott and retaliate with Giga Drain. A faster EV spread with 164 Speed EVs is possible if you want to outspeed and Spore some defensive threats such as Regirock. A more offensive EV spread is possible if you don't mind being defeated by Samurott and would rather focus your efforts on being as offensive as possible. Synthesis can be used in the last moveslot to recover Life Orb damage, but the loss of utility or coverage is off-putting. Hidden Power Ice can be used to hit Dragon-types, such as Altaria, hard, but does little else. Gorebyss is a great partner since this set can lure and defeat Rotom-S, making it easier for Gorebyss to sweep.</p>

    <p>This set also lures in and defeats most Fire-types, so offensive Grass-types that struggle with them, such as Sawsbuck, Leafeon, and Torterra make good partners. When running Hidden Power Ground in order to defeat Skuntank, Psychic-types such as Musharna and Gardevoir become great partners, as they both struggle to remove it themselves. Zangoose is a good partner since Amoonguss handles most of the best ways to defeat it, primarily Regenerator cores and Rock- and Steel-types. The removal of these threats makes sweeping with Zangoose sweep incredibly easy. Rock-types, such as Regirock enough examples already, this is unnecessary fluff make good partners since they lure in Fighting- and Water-type Pokemon that Amoonguss can take advantage of.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Amoonguss can use Choice Specs instead of Life Orb on the offensive set, but the inability to switch attacks is frustrating. Body Slam is an option to spread paralysis whilst doing damage, but the damage it deals will be negligible the majority of the time. Foul Play is a very interesting move; it hits Pokemon with high Attack stats very hard, harder than Amoonguss would be able to hit them itself. Unfortunately, many of the Pokemon with high Attack stats resist Dark-type moves, making it an inferior option. Growth can be used to boost Amoonguss's Special Attack, but Amoonguss doesn't have the offensive presence or Speed to sweep. Amoonguss makes a surprisingly good weather setter; it can use Rain Dance or Sunny Day very well and has Regenerator to use them many times in a match if needed. Toxic is nifty to cripple stall teams, but Amoonguss would much rather use Spore or Stun Spore against most targets. Worry Seed is a cool move to hit Pokemon that rely on their ability, such as Duosion, but most of the time won't accomplish much because the opponent can just switch out.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Magmar is the only true counter, as it has Vital Spirit and STAB Fire Blast to handle Amoonguss. Pokemon immune to sleep work well against Amoonguss, so Pokemon such as Hypno and Electabuzz do alright. Sap Sipper is also a good way to defeat Amoonguss, so Pokemon like Miltank, Sawsbuck, and even Zebstrika and Girafarig can stand up to it. Due to Spore, the best course of action when facing an Amoonguss is to sacrifice your least useful Pokemon to it and then work from there. Bulky Substitute users such as Lickilicky, Klang, and Braviary can set up on the pivot set with ease. Arbok sets up on all Amoonguss sets due to its ability, Shed Skin. After Spore has been used, Fire-types, such as Emboar, Charizard, Torkoal, and Rapidash, all counter Amoonguss quite well. Flying-types, such as Braviary, Rotom-S, and Swellow, also do quite well if they can avoid Spore. Ice-types such as Glaceon, Regice, and Articuno examples of every type of poke that does well is superfluous also destroy Amoonguss, particularly if they use Substitute. Even Psychic-types such as Beheeyem, Gardevoir, and Musharna can defeat Amoonguss after it has used Spore, but they can't risk switching into it. Amoonguss is actually very difficult to counter, as very few Pokemon can switch into Spore, but once Spore is out of the picture it becomes just a standard defensive Pokemon that is quite easy to take on. Due to Regenerator, it is impossible to wear down Amoonguss over the course of the match, so if you want to defeat it you'll have to take it out in one strong hit.</p>
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    I added parts of pokemon0078's check, I disagreed with some parts though so I left those as is so an official GP member can check
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    Can we get this GP'd quickly? Amoonguss is kinda important, just #2 in usage nbd.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Amoonguss is among the most used Pokemon in NU for a reason. A combination of great mixed bulk, Regenerator, and Spore make Amoonguss both a key player in the NU metagame. Amoonguss has the bulk to take on a lot ofmost teams, and among one of the most used pokemon in the NU metagame. Its bulk and access to crippling status moves&mdash;including the coveted Spore&mdash;allow it to take on many prominent threats in the metagame, such as Samurott, Cinccino (providinged Amoonguss has Rocky Helmet), Choice Scarf Sawk, and Torterra. Regenerator also allows it outclass the former bulky Grass-types of choice, Tangela and Vileplume, forcing both of them into obscurity due to Amoonguss's ability to fit on a wider variety of teams. Spore is a godsend for a defensive Pokemon; it allows Amoonguss to cripple almost any Pokemon on the other team, and due to the new sleep mechanics of BW it will most likely remain asleep for the duration of the match. Base 85 Special Attack is nothing to laugh at; it allows Amoonguss to stay offensively relevant and is just strong enough to warrant the use of a Life Orb set. Not all is perfect for Amoonguss, as it is weak to many common threats in NU, particularly Emboar. Also, after Amoonguss uses Spore it is often incapable of assisting the team as much. However, even with its fewAmoonguss's access to Regenerator allows it to fit on a wider variety of teams than the former bulky Grass-types of choice, Tangela and Vileplume, forcing both of them into obscurity. Spore&mdash;with BW's new sleep mechanics&mdash;is capable of putting a Pokemon out of commission for the entire match, making it a godsend for a defensive Pokemon such as Amoonguss. Base 85 Special Attack, while not outstanding, is passable, and allows Amoonguss to do decent damage with just its STAB moves; it is also just strong enough to warrant the use of a Life Orb set. However, Amoonguss's defenses aren't impenetrable, and it is weak to many common threats in NU, particularly Emboar. Amoonguss's speed is also absolutely pathetic, being outsped by even the likes of Regirock and Golem. Moreover, despite Spore being Amoonguss's most dangerous weapon, once it is used Amoonguss might have a hard time accomplishing much else. Despite these flaws, Amoonguss is one of the best defensive Pokemon in the tier, and should be considered for a spot on every NU team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Pivot
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Sludge Bomb
    move 4: Synthesis / Stun Spore
    item: Leftovers / Rocky Helmet
    ability: Regenerator
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD


    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is the most commonly seen Amoonguss set in NU for a reason. Spore is the crux of the set, as it will always affect how the, and with good reason. It checks a wide variety of common threats, is an amazing pivot with Regenerator, and its mere presence forces opponents to plays against Amoonguss, just the threat of the move will often have players sending in sleep fodder, which can promptly be hit with a powerful Sludge Bomb or Giga Drain. Spore can also be used to (nearly) permanently incapacitate a Pokemon, as sleep carefully, lest one of their Pokemon fall victim to crippling status. Spore is the crux of the set, capable of either crippling an opposing Pokemon, or luring sleep fodder to switch into Amoonguss to be hit by either one of its incredibly powerful in BW. Giga Drain is a great STAB move, as it hits quite hard and provides recovery for Amoonguss. It also hits Golem, Golurk, and Samurott very hard, and is irreplaceable because of it. Sludge Bomb is a powerful secondary STAB move for Amoonguss, hittingmoderately powerful attacks. Giga Drain is an irreplaceable STAB move, as it is not only capable of dealing great damage to Golem, Golurk, and Samurott, but it also heals Amoonguss in the process. Sludge Bomb is a powerful secondary STAB move, getting a super effective hit on Grass-types that would otherwise wall it to deathentirely, particularly Sawsbuck, whoich is immune to Spore and Giga Drain due to Sap Sippereverything else in Amoonguss's moveset. Sludge Bomb also hits a lot of Pokemon that just resist Giga Drain, such as Rotom-S, Emboar, and Swellow, for neutral damage. Synthesis and Stun Spore are both great options in the last moveslot. Synthesis lets Amoonguss recover without switching out, which can come in handy in a pinch. On the other hand, Stun Spore allows Amoonguss to remain a threat after Spore has been used; paralysis can be amazing for an offensive team.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Physical bulk is maximized so that Amoonguss can take on a variety of physical attackers, such as Samurott and Absol. Leftovers recovery each turn is handy, as it allowsprovides passive recovery, allowing Amoonguss to heal without having to switch out, or use Synthesis, allowing it to use its turns to attack or use Spore. On the other hand, Rocky Helmet allows Amoonguss to check a myriad of physical attackers even better due to the damage that it provides. In particular, Cinccino is demolished by Rocky Helmet due to its Tail Slap hitting five times due to Skill Link. Substitute can be used to scout the best time to use Spore; it works particularly well on Amoonguss since Regenerator negates any damage caused. On the other hand, Rocky Helmet's damaging effect can significantly hurt Pokemon such as Sawk, Gurdurr, Kangaskhan, and Cinccino when they attack Amoonguss with contact moves. In particular, Cinccino is demolished by Rocky Helmet, as its Skill Link boosted Tail Slap incurs 85% damage on it in a single turn. Substitute can be used over Stun Spore or Synthesis, allowing Amoonguss to scout switch-ins and use Spore more selectively; it works particularly well with Regenerator restoring HP lost to Substitute by using Substitmply switching oute. Clear Smog can be used to deter set up, but Spore and Sludge Bomb are not only sufficient in doing this, but generally do the same job better. Hidden Power Ice and Ground are also both useful, the former hitting Dragon-types hard, while the latter hits Poison-types harder than anspectively hit Dragon- and Poison-types super effectively, but their situational usefulness is usually outweighed by other move on the set general utility of Amoonguss's other moves. Protect can be used to scout the attacks common Choice item users, such as Braviary and Emboar, lock themselves into, but has little utilityse otherwise. A specially defensive set is very viable, allowing Amoonguss to counter special attacking Water-types a lot easier. However, it is not as effective as the physically defensive set becauseheck specially based Water-types a lot easier. However, the metagame i's biased towards physical attackers make it the inferior set. Alomomola is an incrediblye teammate, joinpairing with Amoonguss to form the Regenerator Core which is one of the most well known cores in NU; together they: the Regenerator Core. This core is capable of walling the majority of the metagame, resisting each other's weaknesses and being largely undeterred by entry hazards. Sweepers that struggle with Gurdurr and Swords Dance Samurott and Gurdurr are great teammates, particularly Klang, Cradily, Armaldo, Cacturne, and Pinsir. Amoonguss appreciates support from Pokemon that can beat Flying- and Fire-types; Rock-types perform this role very well, making Regirock and Golem great teammates. Regenerator allows Amoonguss to survive even if entry hazards are up, as it can recover off the damage caused by them just by switching., such as Klang, Cradily, Armaldo, Cacturne, and Pinsir are great teammates, as Amoonguss can handle them fairly easily. Amoonguss appreciates support from Pokemon that can beat Flying- and Fire-types; Rock-types perform this role very well, making Regirock and Golem great teammates. One should always keep in mind that Amoonguss should never be the center of a team, as its job is to plug a holefix weaknesses that a team mayight have.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Sludge Bomb
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Stun Spore / Hidden Power Ground / Stun Spore
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Regenerator
    nature: Modest
    evs: 216 HP / 156 Def / 124 SpA / 16 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set plays like a more offensive version of the pivot set. Amoonguss's base 85 Special Attack is usehits surprisingly hard where to dish out some damage, as it hits surprisingly hardn invested and boosted by Life Orb. Spore is a staple on all Amoonguss sets, as it almost always guarantees that a Pokemon will be crippled for the rest of the match. Sludge Bomb is the primary STAB attack on this set, as it is very strong and has solid neutral coverage in the tier, hitting many Pokemon that would normally switch into the pivot set extremely hwith little feard, such as Emboar orand Magmar. Giga Drain offers Amoonguss another form of recovery while also, extremely hard. Giga Drain complements Sludge Bomb's coverage, hitting Rock-, Ground-, and WaterRock-types super effectively. Stun Spore lets Amoonguss paralyze a switch in, and the speed drop the opponent faces can allow a teamm, and recovering lost HP and offsetting Life Orb recoil all at the same time. Additionally, this set's Giga Drain is also noticeably stronger than thate of Amoonguss's to potentially set up on it. However,the pivot's, capable of OHKOing Marowak and Samurott. Hidden Power Ground allows Amoonguss to hit Steel-types, such as Klang, who would otherwise set up on this set. It also 2HKOes offensive Skuntank, which is pretty niftyand 2HKOes offensive Skuntank, both of which would otherwise set up on this set. Stun Spore's use is generally outweighed by Hidden Power Ground's, but paralysis helps cripple faster threats, allowing Amoonguss to both outspeed said threats, and support one's team.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>tThe EV spread allows Amoonguss to survive a Megahorn from +2 Samurott and retaliate with Giga Drain. A faster EV spread running 164 Speed EVs is possible if you want to outspeed and Spore some defensive threatsbase 50s, such as Regirock. A more offensive EV spread is possible if you don't mind being defeated by Samurott and would rather focus your efforts on being as offensive as possibleusable if Samurott isn't a concern. Synthesis can be used in the last moveslot to recover Life Orb damage, but the loss of utility or coverage is off-putting. Hidden Power Ice can be used to hit Dragon-types, such as Altaria, hard, but does little else. Gorebyss is a great partner since, as this set can lure and defeat Choice Scarf Rotom-S, making it easier for Gorebyss to sweep. This set lures in and defeats most Fire-types, so offensive Grass-types that struggle with them, such as Sawsbuck, Leafeon, and Torterra, make good partners. When running Hidden Power Ground in order to defeat Skuntank, Psychic-types, such as Musharna and Gardevoir, become great partners, as they both struggle to remove it themselves. Zangoose is a good partner since, as Amoonguss handles most of the best ways to defeat it, primarily Regenerator cores, and Rock- and Steel-types. The removal of these threats makes a Zangoose sweep incredibly easy. Rock-types, such as Regirock, make good partners sincbecause they lure in Fighting- and Water-type Pokemon that Amoonguss can take advantage of.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Amoonguss can use Choice Specs instead of Life Orb on the offensive set, but the inability to switch attacks is frustratinglimits its offensive presence. Body Slam is an option to spread paralysis whilste doing damage, but the damage it will deal will be negligible the majority of the tims largely negligible, and the paralysis chance unreliable. Foul Play is a very interesting move; it hits Pokemon with high Attack stats very hard, harder than Amoonguss would be able to hit them itself. Unfortunately, many Pokemon with high Attack stats also resist Dark-type moves, making it an inferior option. Growth can be used to boost Amoonguss's Special Attack, but Amoonguss doesn't have the offensive presence or the Speed to sweep. Amoonguss makes a surprisingly good weather setter; it can use Rain Dance or Sunny Day very well and has Regenerator, its bulk and Regenerator often allowing it to use them manyt up weather multiple times in a match if needed. Toxic is nifty to hit stall teams, but Amoonguss would much rather use Spore or Stun Spore against most targets. Worry Seed is a cool move to hitincapacitate Pokemon that rely on their ability, such as Duosion, but most of the time won't accomplish much because the opponent can just switch out.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Magmar is the only true counter, as it has Vital Spirit and STAB Fire Blast to handle Amoonguss. Pokemon immune to sleep work well against Amoonguss, so Pokemon such asAmoonguss's best check, as it has Vital Spirit to be immune to Spore, Eviolite to take the pivot set's Sludge Bombs, and STAB Fire Blast to handle Amoonguss; however, Magmar does not appreciate the offensive set's Sludge Bomb, nor does it like being paralyzed or poisoned. Hypno and Electabuzz do alright. Sap Sipper is also a good way to defeat Amoongusscannot be slept, courtesy of their abilities, but, like Magmar, are similarly impeded by Amoonguss's other moves. Sap Sipper absorbs Stun Spore, Giga Drain, and Spore, so Pokemon such as Miltank, Sawsbuck, or even Zebstrika and Girafarig, can stand up to itAmoonguss! Due to Spore, the best course of action when facing an Amoonguss is to sacrifice your least useful Pokemon to itas sleep fodder, then work from there. Bulky Substitute users, such as Lickilicky, Klang, and Braviary, can set up on the pivot set with ease. Arbok sets up on all of Amoonguss's sets due towithout Hidden Power Ground, courtesy of it resisting Amoonguss's STABs, and its ability, Shed Skin, which gives it a pseudo-immunity to status. After Spore has been used, Fire-types, such as Emboar, Charizard, Torkoal, and Rapidash, all counterheck Amoonguss quite well. Flying-types, such as Braviary, Rotom-S, and Swellow, also do quite well if they can similarly avoid Spore. Ice-types, such as Glaceon, Regice, and Articuno also, although also vulnerable to Spore, destroy Amoonguss with their STAB, particularly if they use Substitute to protect themselves from status. Even Psychic-types, such as Beheeyem, Gardevoir, and Musharna, can defeat Amoonguss after it has used Spore, but can't risk switching into it. Amoonguss is actually very difficult to counter, as very few Pokemon can switch into Spore, but once Spore is out of the picture it becomes just a standard defensive Pokemon that i; once used, however, Amoonguss becomes quite easy to take advantage onf. Due to Regenerator, it is almost impossible to wear down Amoonguss over the course of the match, so if you want to defeat it, you'll have to take it out in one strong hit!</p>

    diff makes it look like i changed a lot more than i actually did.

    most of it was just streamlining, improving consistencies and placement of information (i asked why was stun spore slashed second on the first set, yet first on the second, leading the nu team to advise me to change the move order). generally move explanations do not need to be repeated between sets if they are the same, say if they do anything different than the previous set, or if repetition is neccessary at least allude to the previous set in some form otherwise it feels like you're reading the same set description.

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    [Overview]

    <p> A combination of great mixed bulk, Regenerator, and Spore make Amoonguss both a key player in most teams, and among one of the most used pokemon in the NU metagame. Its bulk and access to crippling status moves&mdash;including the coveted Spore&mdash;allow it to take on many prominent threats, such as Samurott, Cinccino (provided Amoonguss has Rocky Helmet), Choice Scarf Sawk, and Torterra. Amoonguss's access to Regenerator allows it to fit on a wider variety of teams than the former bulky Grass-types of choice, Tangela and Vileplume, forcing both of them into obscurity. Spore&mdash;with BW's new sleep mechanics&mdash;is capable of putting a Pokemon out of commission for the entire match, making it a godsend for a defensive Pokemon such as Amoonguss. Base 85 Special Attack, while not outstanding, is passable, and allows Amoonguss to do decent damage with just its STAB moves; it is also just strong enough to warrant the use of a Life Orb set. However, Amoonguss's defenses aren't impenetrable, and it is weak to many common threats in NU, particularly Emboar. Amoonguss's speed is also absolutely pathetic, being outsped by even the likes of Regirock and Golem. Moreover, despite Spore being Amoonguss's most dangerous weapon, once it is used Amoonguss might have a hard time accomplishing much else. Despite these flaws, Amoonguss is one of the best defensive Pokemon in the tier, and should be considered for a spot on every NU team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Pivot
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Sludge Bomb
    move 4: Synthesis / Stun Spore
    item: Leftovers / Rocky Helmet
    ability: Regenerator
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the most commonly seen Amoonguss set in NU, and with good reason. It checks a wide variety of common threats, is an amazing pivot with Regenerator, and its mere presence forces opponents to play carefully, lest one of their Pokemon fall victim to crippling status. Spore is the crux of the set, capable of either crippling an opposing Pokemon, or luring sleep fodder to switch into Amoonguss to be hit by either one of its moderately powerful attacks. Giga Drain is an irreplaceable STAB move, as it is not only capable of dealing great damage to Golem, Golurk, and Samurott, but it also heals Amoonguss in the process. Sludge Bomb is a powerful secondary STAB move, getting a super effective hit on Grass-types that would otherwise wall it entirely, particularly Sawsbuck, which is immune to everything else in Amoonguss's moveset. Sludge Bomb also hits a lot of Pokemon that resist Giga Drain, such as Rotom-S, Emboar, and Swellow, for neutral damage. Synthesis and Stun Spore are both great options in the last moveslot. Synthesis lets Amoonguss recover without switching out, which can come in handy in a pinch. On the other hand, Stun Spore allows Amoonguss to remain a threat after Spore has been used; paralysis can be amazing for an offensive team.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Physical bulk is maximized so that Amoonguss can take on a variety of physical attackers, such as Samurott and Absol. Leftovers provides passive recovery, allowing Amoonguss to heal without having to switch out, or use Synthesis. On the other hand, Rocky Helmet's damaging effect can significantly hurt Pokemon such as Sawk, Gurdurr, Kangaskhan, and Cinccino when they attack Amoonguss with contact moves. In particular, Cinccino is demolished by Rocky Helmet, as its Skill Link boosted Tail Slap incurs 85% damage on it in a single turn. Substitute can be used over Stun Spore or Synthesis, allowing Amoonguss to scout switch-ins and use Spore more selectively; it works particularly well with Regenerator restoring HP lost to Substitute by simply switching out. Clear Smog can be used to deter set up, but Spore and Sludge Bomb are not only sufficient in doing this, but generally do the job better. Hidden Power Ice and Ground respectively hit Dragon- and Poison-types super effectively, but their situational usefulness is usually outweighed by the general utility of Amoonguss's other moves. Protect can be used to scout the attacks common Choice item users, such as Braviary and Emboar, lock themselves into, but has little use otherwise. A specially defensive set is very viable, allowing Amoonguss to check specially based Water-types a lot easier. However, the metagame's bias towards physical attackers make it the inferior set. Alomomola is an incredible teammate, pairing with Amoonguss to form one of the most well known cores in NU: the Regenerator Core. This core is capable of walling the majority of the metagame, resisting each other's weaknesses and being largely undeterred by entry hazards. Sweepers that struggle with Gurdurr and Swords Dance Samurott, such as Klang, Cradily, Armaldo, Cacturne, and Pinsir are great teammates, as Amoonguss can handle them fairly easily. Amoonguss appreciates support from Pokemon that can beat Flying- and Fire-types; Rock-types perform this role very well, making Regirock and Golem great teammates. One should always keep in mind that Amoonguss should never be the center of a team, as its job is to fix weaknesses that a team might have.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Sludge Bomb
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Hidden Power Ground / Stun Spore
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Regenerator
    nature: Modest
    evs: 216 HP / 156 Def / 124 SpA / 16 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set plays like a more offensive version of the pivot set. Amoonguss's base 85 Special Attack hits surprisingly hard when invested and boosted by Life Orb. Spore is a staple on all Amoonguss sets, as it almost always guarantees that a Pokemon will be crippled for the rest of the match. Sludge Bomb is the primary STAB attack, as it is very strong and has solid neutral coverage in the tier, hitting many Pokemon that would normally switch into the pivot set with little fear, such as Emboar and Magmar, extremely hard. Giga Drain complements Sludge Bomb's coverage, hitting Ground- and Rock-types super effectively, and recovering lost HP and offsetting Life Orb recoil all at the same time. Additionally, this set's Giga Drain is also noticeably stronger than that of the pivot's, capable of OHKOing Marowak and Samurott. Hidden Power Ground allows Amoonguss to hit Steel-types, such as Klang, and 2HKOes offensive Skuntank, both of which would otherwise set up on this set. Stun Spore's use is generally outweighed by Hidden Power Ground's, but paralysis helps cripple faster threats, allowing Amoonguss to both outspeed said threats, and support one's team.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread allows Amoonguss to survive a Megahorn from +2 Samurott and retaliate with Giga Drain. A faster EV spread running 164 Speed EVs is possible if you want to outspeed and Spore defensive base 50s, such as Regirock. A more offensive EV spread is usable if Samurott isn't a concern. Synthesis can be used in the last moveslot to recover Life Orb damage, but the loss of utility or coverage is off-putting. Hidden Power Ice can be used to hit Dragon-types, such as Altaria, hard, but does little else. Gorebyss is a great partner, as this set can lure and defeat Choice Scarf Rotom-S, making it easier for Gorebyss to sweep. This set lures in and defeats most Fire-types, so offensive Grass-types that struggle with them, such as Sawsbuck, Leafeon, and Torterra, make good partners. When running Hidden Power Ground in order to defeat Skuntank, Psychic-types, such as Musharna and Gardevoir, become great partners, as they both struggle to remove it themselves. Zangoose is a good partner, as Amoonguss handles most of the best ways to defeat it, primarily Regenerator cores, and Rock- and Steel-types. The removal of these threats makes a Zangoose sweep incredibly easy. Rock-types, such as Regirock, make good partners because they lure in Fighting- and Water-type Pokemon that Amoonguss can take advantage of.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Amoonguss can use Choice Specs instead of Life Orb on the offensive set, but the inability to switch attacks limits its offensive presence. Body Slam is an option to spread paralysis while doing damage, but the damage is largely negligible, and the paralysis chance unreliable. Foul Play is a very interesting move; it hits Pokemon with high Attack stats harder than Amoonguss would be able to hit them itself. Unfortunately, many Pokemon with high Attack stats also resist Dark-type moves, making it an inferior option. Growth can be used to boost Amoonguss's Special Attack, but Amoonguss doesn't have the offensive presence or the Speed to sweep. Amoonguss makes a surprisingly good weather setter; it can use Rain Dance or Sunny Day very well, its bulk and Regenerator often allowing it to set up weather multiple times in a match. Toxic is nifty to hit stall teams, but Amoonguss would much rather use Spore or Stun Spore against most targets. Worry Seed is a cool move to incapacitate Pokemon that rely on their ability, such as Duosion, but most of the time won't accomplish much because the opponent can just switch out.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Magmar is Amoonguss's best check, as it has Vital Spirit to be immune to Spore, Eviolite to take the pivot set's Sludge Bombs, and STAB Fire Blast to handle Amoonguss; however, Magmar does not appreciate the offensive set's Sludge Bomb, nor does it like being paralyzed or poisoned. Hyno and Electabuzz cannot be slept, courtesy of their abilities, but, like Magmar, are similarly impeded by Amoonguss's other moves. Sap Sipper absorbs Stun Spore, Giga Drain, and Spore, so Pokemon such as Miltank, Sawsbuck, or even Zebstrika and Girafarig, can stand up to Amoonguss! Due to Spore, the best course of action when facing an Amoonguss is to sacrifice your least useful Pokemon as sleep fodder, then work from there. Bulky Substitute users, such as Lickilicky, Klang, and Braviary, can set up on the pivot set with ease. Arbok sets up on all of Amoonguss's sets without Hidden Power Ground, courtesy of it resisting Amoonguss's STABs, and its ability, Shed Skin, which gives it a pseudo-immunity to status. After Spore has been used, Fire-types, such as Emboar, Charizard, Torkoal, and Rapidash, all check Amoonguss quite well. Flying-types, such as Braviary, Rotom-S, and Swellow, also do quite well if they can similarly avoid Spore. Ice-types, such as Glaceon, Regice, and Articuno, although also vulnerable to Spore, destroy Amoonguss with their STAB, particularly if they use Substitute to protect themselves from status. Even Psychic-types, such as Beheeyem, Gardevoir, and Musharna, can defeat Amoonguss after it has used Spore, but can't risk switching into it. Amoonguss is actually very difficult to counter, as very few Pokemon can switch into Spore; once used, however, Amoonguss becomes quite easy to take advantage of. Due to Regenerator, it is almost impossible to wear down Amoonguss over the course of the match, so if you want to defeat it, you'll have to take it out in one strong hit!</p>
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    [Overview]

    <p>Amoonguss is among the most used Pokemon in NU for a reason. A combination of great mixed bulk, Regenerator, and Spore make Amoonguss both a key player in most teams, and among one of the most used pokemon in the NU metagame. AmooIts bulk and access to crippling statuss h moves&mdash;including the bulkcoveted Spore&mdash;allow it to take on a lot ofmany prominent threats in the metagame, such as Samurott, Cinccino (providinged Amoonguss has Rocky Helmet), Choice Scarf Sawk, and Torterra. Amoonguss's access to Regenerator allows it to allows it outclasfit on a wider variety of teams than the former bulky Grass-types of choice, Tangela and Vileplume, forcing both of them into obscurity due to Amoonguss's ability to fit on a wider variety of teams. Spore is a godsend for a defensive Pokemon; it allows Amoonguss to cripp. Spore&mdash;with BW's new sleep mechanics&mdash;is capable almostof putting any Pokemon on the other team, and due tout of commission for the entirew sleep mechanics of BWatch, making it will most likely remain asleepa godsend for the duratia defensive Pokemon of the matchsuch as Amoonguss. Base 85 Special Attack is, while noth outstanding to laugh at; it, is passable, and allows Amoonguss to stay offensively relevando decent damage with just its STAB moves; it and is also just strong enough to warrant the use of a Life Orb set. Not all is perfect forHowever, Amoonguss's defenses aren't impenetrable, asnd it is weak to many common threats in NU, particularly Emboar. Amoonguss's speed is also, after Amoobsolutely pathetic, being outsped by even the likes usesof Regirock and Golem. Moreover, despite Spore it is often ibeing Amoonguss's most dangerous weapon, oncapable of assisting the team asit is used Amoonguss might have a hard time accomplishing much. However, even with its few else. Despite these flaws, Amoonguss is one of the best defensive Pokemon in the tier, and should be considered for a spot on every NU team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Pivot
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Sludge Bomb
    move 4: Synthesis / Stun Spore
    item: Leftovers / Rocky Helmet
    ability: Regenerator
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is the most commonly seen Amoonguss set in NU for a, and with good reason. Spore is the cruxIt checks a wide variety of common the set, areats, is an amazing pivot will always affect how theth Regenerator, and its mere presence forces opponents to plays against Amoonguss, ju carefully, lest thone threat of their Pokemove win fall often have victim to cripplayers sending in sleep fodder, which can promptly be hit wstatus. Spore is the crux of the set, capable of either crippling an oppowerful Sludge Bombsing Pokemon, or Giga Drain. Spore can also be usedluring sleep fodder to switch into Amoonguss to (nearly) permanently incapacitate a Pokemon, as sleep is incredibbe hit by either one of its moderately powerful in BWattacks. Giga Drain is a greatn irreplaceable STAB move, as it hits quite hard and provides recovery for Amoonguss. It also hitsnot only capable of dealing great damage to Golem, Golurk, and Samurott very hard, and is irreplaceable because ofbut it also heals Amoonguss in the process. Sludge Bomb is a powerful secondary STAB move for Amoonguss,, getting a super effective hitting on Grass-types that would otherwise wall it to deathentirely, particularly Sawsbuck, whoich is immune to Spore and Giga Draeverything else in due to Sap SipperAmoonguss's moveset. Sludge Bomb also hits a lot of Pokemon that just resist Giga Drain, such as Rotom-S, Emboar, and Swellow, for neutral damage. Synthesis and Stun Spore are both great options in the last moveslot. Synthesis lets Amoonguss recover without switching out, which can come in handy in a pinch. On the other hand, Stun Spore allows Amoonguss to remain a threat after Spore has been used; paralysis can be amazing for an offensive team.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Physical bulk is maximized so that Amoonguss can take on a variety of physical attackers, such as Samurott and Absol. Leftovers precovery each turn is handides passive recovery, as it allowsing Amoonguss to heal without having to switch out, or use Synthesis, allowing it to use its turns to attack or use Spore. On the other hand, Rocky Helmet allows Amoo's damaginguss effecto check a myriad of physical attackers even better due toan significantly hurt Pokemon such as Sawk, Gurdurr, Kangaskhan, and Cinccino when the damage y attack Amoonguss with contact it prmovides. In particular, Cinccino is demolished by Rocky Helmet due to its, as its Skill Link boosted Tail Slap hitting five times due to Skill Linkcurs 85% damage on it in a single turn. Substitute can be used to scout over Stun Spore or Synthe best timesis, allowing Amoonguss to scout switch-ins and use Spore more selectively; it works particularly well on Amoonguss sincewith Regenerator negates any damage causedrestoring HP lost to Substitute by using Substitmply switching oute. Clear Smog can be used to deter set up, but Spore and Sludge Bomb are not only sufficient in doing this, but generally do the same job better. Hidden Power Ice and Ground are also both useful, the formerspectively hitting Dragon- and Poison-types hard, while the latter hsuper effectively, but their situational usefulness Poison-types harder usually outweighed by than ane general utility other f Amove onguss's othe setr moves. Protect can be used to scout the attacks common Choice item users, such as Braviary and Emboar, lock themselves into, but has little utilityse otherwise. A specially defensive set is very viable, allowing Amoonguss to counterheck special attackingly based Water-types a lot easier. However, it is not as effective as the physically defensive set because the metagame i's biased towards physical attackers make it the inferior set. Alomomola is an incrediblye teammate, joinpairing with Amoonguss to form the Regenerator Core which is one of the most well known cores in NU; together they: the Regenerator Core. This core is capable of walling the majority of the metagame, resisting each other's weaknesses and being largely undeterred by entry hazards. Sweepers that struggle with Gurdurr and Swords Dance Samurott and Gurdurr are great teammates, particularly, such as Klang, Cradily, Armaldo, Cacturne, and Pinsir are great teammates, as Amoonguss can handle them fairly easily. Amoonguss appreciates support from Pokemon that can beat Flying- and Fire-types; Rock-types perform this role very well, making Regirock and Golem great teammates. Regenerator allows Amoonguss to survive even if entry hazards are up, asOne should always keep it can recover off the damage caused bymind them just by switching.at Amoonguss should never be the center of a team, as its job is to plug a holefix weaknesses that a team mayight have.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive
    move 1: Spore
    move 2: Sludge Bomb
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Stun Spore / Hidden Power Ground / Stun Spore
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Regenerator
    nature: Modest
    evs: 216 HP / 156 Def / 124 SpA / 16 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set plays like a more offensive version of the pivot set. Amoonguss's base 85 Special Attack hits used here to dish out some damage, as it hits surprisingly hardsurprisingly hard when invested and boosted by Life Orb. Spore is a staple on all Amoonguss sets, as it almost always guarantees that a Pokemon will be crippled for the rest of the match. Sludge Bomb is the primary STAB attack on this set, as it is very strong and has solid neutral coverage in the tier, hitting many Pokemon that would normally switch into the pivot set extremely hwith little feard, such as Emboar orand Magmar, extremely hard. Giga Drain offers Amoonguss another form of recomplements Sludge Bomb's covery while alsoage, hitting Rock-, Ground-, and WaterRock-types super effectively. Stun Spo, and recovering lets Amoonguss paralyze a switch in, andost HP and offsetting Life Orb recoil all at the speed dropame time. Additionally, the opponent faces canis set's Giga Drain is allow a teammso noticeably stronger than thate of Amoonguss's tohe pivotentially set up on it. However,'s, capable of OHKOing Marowak and Samurott. Hidden Power Ground allows Amoonguss to hit Steel-types, such as Klang, and 2HKOes offensive Skuntank, both of whoich would otherwise set up on this set. It also 2HKOes offensive Skuntank, which iStun Spore's use is generally outweighed by Hidden Power Ground's, but paralysis helps cripple faster threats, allowing Amoonguss to both outspeed said thretty niftyats, and support one's team.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>tThe EV spread allows Amoonguss to survive a Megahorn from +2 Samurott and retaliate with Giga Drain. A faster EV spread running 164 Speed EVs is possible if you want to outspeed and Spore some defensive threatsbase 50s, such as Regirock. A more offensive EV spread is possiusable if you don't mind being defeated by Samurott and would rather focus your efforts on being as offensive as possibleisn't a concern. Synthesis can be used in the last moveslot to recover Life Orb damage, but the loss of utility or coverage is off-putting. Hidden Power Ice can be used to hit Dragon-types, such as Altaria, hard, but does little else. Gorebyss is a great partner, asince this set can lure and defeat Choice Scarf Rotom-S, making it easier for Gorebyss to sweep. This set lures in and defeats most Fire-types, so offensive Grass-types that struggle with them, such as Sawsbuck, Leafeon, and Torterra, make good partners. When running Hidden Power Ground in order to defeat Skuntank, Psychic-types, such as Musharna and Gardevoir, become great partners, as they both struggle to remove it themselves. Zangoose is a good partner, asince Amoonguss handles most of the best ways to defeat it, primarily Regenerator cores, and Rock- and Steel-types. The removal of these threats makes a Zangoose sweep incredibly easy. Rock-types, such as Regirock, make good partners sincbecause they lure in Fighting- and Water-type Pokemon that Amoonguss can take advantage of.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Amoonguss can use Choice Specs instead of Life Orb on the offensive set, but the inability to switch attacks limits its frustratingoffensive presence. Body Slam is an option to spread paralysis whilste doing damage, but the damage it will deal will bes largely negligible, and the majority of the timparalysis chance unreliable. Foul Play is a very interesting move; it hits Pokemon with high Attack stats very hard, harder than Amoonguss would be able to hit them itself. Unfortunately, many Pokemon with high Attack stats also resist Dark-type moves, making it an inferior option. Growth can be used to boost Amoonguss's Special Attack, but Amoonguss doesn't have the offensive presence or the Speed to sweep. Amoonguss makes a surprisingly good weather setter; it can use Rain Dance or Sunny Day very well, its bulk and has Regenerator often allowing it to uset up weathem manyr multiple times in a match if needed. Toxic is nifty to hit stall teams, but Amoonguss would much rather use Spore or Stun Spore against most targets. Worry Seed is a cool move to hincapacitate Pokemon that rely on their ability, such as Duosion, but most of the time won't accomplish much because the opponent can just switch out.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Magmar is the only true counterAmoonguss's best check, as it has Vital Spirit to be immune to Spore, Eviolite to take the pivot set's Sludge Bombs, and STAB Fire Blast to handle Amoonguss. Pokemon immun; however, Magmar does not appreciate the offensive sleep work well against Amoonguss, so Pokemon such aset's Sludge Bomb, nor does it like being paralyzed or poisoned. Hypno and Electabuzz do alrightcannot be slept, courtesy of their abilities, but, like Magmar, are similarly impeded by Amoonguss's other moves. Sap Sipper is also a good way to defeat Amoongussbsorbs Stun Spore, Giga Drain, and Spore, so Pokemon such as Miltank, Sawsbuck, or even Zebstrika and Girafarig, can stand up to itAmoonguss! Due to Spore, the best course of action when facing an Amoonguss is to sacrifice your least useful Pokemon to itas sleep fodder, then work from there. Bulky Substitute users, such as Lickilicky, Klang, and Braviary, can set up on the pivot set with ease. Arbok sets up on all of Amoonguss's sets without Hidden Power Ground, courtesy of it resisting Amoonguss's STABs, and its ability, Shed Skin, which gives it a pseudo-immunity to status. After Spore has been used, Fire-types, such as Emboar, Charizard, Torkoal, and Rapidash, all counterheck Amoonguss quite well. Flying-types, such as Braviary, Rotom-S, and Swellow, also do quite well if they can similarly avoid Spore. Ice-types, such as Glaceon, Regice, and Articuno, although also vulnerable to Spore, destroy Amoonguss with their STAB, particularly if they use Substitute to protect themselves from status. Even Psychic-types, such as Beheeyem, Gardevoir, and Musharna, can defeat Amoonguss after it has used Spore, but can't risk switching into it. Amoonguss is actually very difficult to counter, as very few Pokemon can switch into Spore, but; once Spore is out of the picture it becomes just a standard defensive Pokemon that iused, however, Amoonguss becomes quite easy to take advantage onf. Due to Regenerator, it is almost impossible to wear down Amoonguss over the course of the match, so if you want to defeat it, you'll have to take it out in one strong hit!</p>


    Uhhh may read through this later, maybe not, idk .-.
  24. BossSauce

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    The offensive set has 512 EVs. I'm assuming the def should be 152 instead of 156 right?
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    raseri i know you are hesitant to implement my check because i changed a lot but we can talk about it on irc and i will literally take you through every single change should there be contention over anything.

    at any rate i'm official gp so i will look over this again (although i'm fairly confident i did a good job of it last time) and stamp it later.

    edit: just Hypno lol i don't know how i managed to skip over that

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    we should still go over this if you feel i am changing to much but i felt that it was neccessary.

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