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Another team based on a Lucario Sweep [OU]

Discussion in 'Past Gen Teams' started by Aeron Ee1, Mar 29, 2010.

  1. Aeron Ee1

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    Current Shoddy Team (OU RMT)

    This team is probably the best one I've made in my Pokemon career, it still sucks, I know. It has managed to get me the highest CRE I've ever gotten of 1487. Now with the recent Suspect testing, the glue that holds the team together is no more and because its such a unique glue, nothing I've tried can fully replace it without either compromising synergy or overall role. So yeah, rate my retired OU team. Its based around a dual priority Lucario sweep BTW.

    At a Glance:
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    Synergy Chart:
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    THE SUICIDE LEAD
    [​IMG]@Focus Sash
    Pressure
    Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SpA)
    4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    -Taunt
    -Stealth Rock
    -Earthquake
    -Stone Edge

    I chose Aerodactyl because my old Azelf lead wasn't bringing enough offensive momentum for my team. With Aerodactyl, I always get Rocks up and always prevent my opponent from doing the same with Taunt which is a huge advantage right from the start. QuakeEdge is used over QuakeSlide because I like the OHKO on Salamence and Gyarados after Stealth Rocks. The great thing about Aerodactyl, though, is that with good prediction, I can usually bring him out mid-game to cause some hurting on a lot of Pokemon because Stealth Rocks won't be up and I'll be at my Sash.

    What i do against the Top 20 Leads[​IMG]:
    [​IMG]Azelf: Stealth Rock, Taunt/Stone Edge
    [​IMG]Aerodactyl: Taunt, Stealth Rock/Stone Edge
    [​IMG]Swampert: Stealth Rock, Taunt, EQ (if I'm still alive)
    [​IMG]Metagross: Stealth Rock, switch to Rotom
    [​IMG]Jirachi: Stealth Rock (first turn move), switch to Heatran or, if slower, EQ.
    [​IMG]Infernape: Stealth Rock (fake out), Stealth Rock, EQ.
    [​IMG]Machamp: Stealth Rock, Go Gyara, Go Aero, Go Gyara.
    [​IMG]Ninjask: Stealth Rock, Taunt, Stone Edge...
    [​IMG]Roserade: Taunt, Stealth Rock... (varies)
    [​IMG]Tyranitar: Stealth Rock, EQ.
    [​IMG]Gliscor: Stealth Rock... (varies)
    [​IMG]Heatran: Taunt, Stealth Rock, EQ
    [​IMG]Hippowdon: Taunt, Stealth Rock... (varies)
    [​IMG]Smeargle: Taunt, Stealth Rock.. (varies)
    [​IMG]Bronzong: Taunt, Stealth Rock, (if alive) switch to Heatran.
    [​IMG]Skarmory: Stealth Rock (they usually switch).. (varies)
    [​IMG]Dragonite: Stealth Rock, switch to Heatran and KO with Dragon Pulse
    [​IMG]Abomasnow: Stealth Rock, (if alive) Stone Edge
    [​IMG]Crobat: Stone Edge, Stealth Rock

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    THE PHYSICAL ATTACKER
    [​IMG]@Choice Band
    Intimidate
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
    252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    -Payback
    -Earthquake
    -Stone Edge
    -Waterfall

    In the midgame, I rely mostly on my choiced Pokemon, using their immediate power and speed to give me an edge. Gyarados does this, but he also acts as a giant magnet to bulky Ghost- and Psychic- types which he can always OHKO or outspeed and 2HKO all of them. The infamous QuakeEdge combo makes itself at home on Gyarados' moveset too for its awesome coverage while Waterfall is the main STAB move to put the hurting on a surprising amount of teams. I chose to Max Speed to get the jump on most base 80s and other Gyarados.

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    REVENGE KILLER #1
    [​IMG]@Choice Scarf
    Levitate
    Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
    40 HP / 252 SpA / 216 Spe
    -Trick
    -Shadow ball
    -Thunderbolt
    -Overheat

    Rotom-H performs its job as a revenge killer very well, his STABs can do quite a number to a lot of Pokes and Overheat gets the rest. With these moves, he can revenge just about everything... The great thing abotu having 2 revenge killers is that I can fire off Trick will-nilly knowing that I'll have an auxiliary one waiting in the wings. The EVs are so I outrun +1 Max Speed Jolly Gyarados while the rest are put into his sad HP stat.

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    REVENGE KILLER #2
    [​IMG]@Choice Scarf
    Levitate
    Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
    80 HP / 252 SpA / 176 Spe
    -Trick
    -Thunderbolt
    -Surf
    -Dragon Pulse

    Latias is a great Pokemon and losing her has really made the team useless. Her synergy with the rest of my party is incredible, her speed and power are irreplaceable. The attacking moves provide perfect coverage and Trick screws over anything that can take 2 of either, Dragon Pulse over Draco Meteor is because I hate people playing around Draco Meteor with death fodder. I run just enough speed for Salamence since that was the main reasons she got this spot in the first place while the rest go into improving her already naturally bulky bulk.

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    SPECIAL SWEEPER
    [​IMG]@Life Orb
    Flash Fire
    Timid (+Spe, -Atk)
    4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    -HP Grass
    -Dragon Pulse
    -Earth Power
    -Fire Blast

    Heatran is... amazing. I know that I have nothing to draw Fire-moves besides Will-O-Wisp and Fire Punch to Gyarados and Lucario respectively but you don't need that when you have base 130 Special Attack, Life Orb and a STAB 120 base power attack to work with. Outright spamming Fire Blast is usually the way to go but if your not feeling it, you've got your auxiliary attacks to work with. Fire-Dragon-Ground gets perfect coverage and Grass is solely for waters(I'm looking at you, Pert). Max Speed and SpA is self explanatory.

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    PHYSICAL SWEEPER
    [​IMG]@Life Orb
    Inner Focus
    Adamant
    4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    -Swords Dance
    -Bullet Punch
    -Extremespeed
    -Close Combat

    Dual Priority Lucario usually finishes up the game for me, since its only real checks are Bulky Ghost-/Psychic- types who are KO-ed by Gyarados, Salamence and opposing Gyarados usually won't last 'til late-game. With the advent of Scarftar, Bullet Punch has suddenly much more viability. If I do bring out Lucario in the midgame, I usually won't set-up, rather hit the switchin with a powerful STAB Base 120 attack. He gets many oppurtunities to do so though, thanks to Latias and Rotom.

    Final Glance:
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    Ending Comments:
    This team lasted from March '10 to May '10. Ye shall be missed Latias. T_T
  2. ginganinja

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    Well ill just give this a quick 2 cents.
    You have forrgotten the new No 1 check to Lucario, Scarf Tar. It greatly threatens your team beating azelf, Rotom, Heatran and hammers Gyarados. A really quick fix is a Swampet as a lead or something to stop it stopping your Lucario sweep.
  3. pkmntrainerblue

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    Well nice team you got here,
    I have to go to school so a really short rate. Ummm... either change your nature on your flygon and add some evs into special attack or get rid of fire blast and give it thunderpuch. You won't be doing much with a non-STAB, -nature, 0 evs, off an 80 base Special attack. That was just screaming at me so I had to do it. But I may come back for a better rate.
    Now I get to go to school... :(
  4. jc104

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    I would suggest Taunt on your azelf, since you have one pokemon weak to SR (choice band gyara has to switch a lot too) who would really appreciate it being prevented. I would put this over either psychic or flamethrower. If not, I would suggest U-turn, since this lets you run from unfavourable matchups (TTar) whilst breaking sashes.

    I would suggest Stone Edge on Flygon if you want some extra insurance against Gyarados. You do not have a large weakness to him, so you may as well use a less specialised move. It is useful against Zapdos too, and against Mence and Dnite without locking into Outrage.

    I think your team might benefit from a choice scarf Tyranitar to help remove ghosts and psychics, but I wouldn't know where to put him. Maybe even over Rotom?

    Very nice team. Good luck.

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