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Arcana Force XXI -The World-

Discussion in 'BW OU Teams' started by -Tsunami-, Apr 1, 2012.

  1. -Tsunami-

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    Introduction:
    A couple of weeks ago, ToF started a new #pokemon challenge: Dual Weather. I hadn't participated in one of these in a while, and because it was OU for once, I decided to go for it. I hadn't played OU in about a month, instead choosing to play RU. So, I had to figure out how to make this team, which became increasingly difficult since I hadn't used weather in about half a year. I made about three teams, one of which was just a joke sun team with a level 25 Endeavor Politoed for lolz. After trying out hail and rain, I realized it was a solid combination, but I just couldn't get very high. I realized that the problem was that the team simply didn't fit my playstyle, which is all-out offense. I decided to scrap all my teams and start from scratch, and this is where the origins of this team began. It finished with a rating of 1532, enough to win me the #pokemon challenge. It peaked #2 with a rating as high of 1560 at one point, however. Regardless, without further ado, I present the power of -TheWorld-.

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    Alright, so to fit my playstyle, I knew I needed a suicide lead to get up as many hazards as possible. Since Deoxys-S is uber, I decided to use something just as good: Deoxys-D.

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    Alright, now I needed to decide on my weather Pokemon. DD Tyranitar was an absolute beast for me when I was using it, and I figured that it could do some serious damage with entry hazards, as well as act as a solid tank that could take whatever hits I needed it to.

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    So now, I was left with a choice between Abomasnow and Politoed. I knew that Ninetales wouldn't work because it is an awful Pokemon in general an sun can't function at all with sand. I decided to use Abomasnow after Dittocrow recommended it to me, and also since the Expert Belt set is very good at getting surprise kills and forcing switches, which is important with hazards. Abomasnow would also provide me with priority.

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    And now, I was left with the difficult task of selecting my other 3 team members. I wanted at least 1 Pokemon that could make use of sand, as I figured that I would have it up more often than hail. I settled on Sand Veil Acrobatics Gliscor because it can deal massive damage and be a major threat, as well as give me a life-line that could provide me with a 20% chance to stay in the game if it came down to it.


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    I figured that I needed a scarfer of some kind, but I wanted one that didn't have to switch out a lot. I wanted something that could clean up late-game while outspeeding a large part of the metagame. Something with U-Turn or Volt Switch isn't what I was looking for, especially since I lacked a rapid spinner and wasn't planning on getting one. I decided on MoxieMence, as even though it's weak to Stealth Rock, it can decimate things with Outrage once Steel-types have beem removed; its main selling point was Moxie as it forced people to be punished for sending in death fodder.

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    Now, I looked at my team and figured that I needed a very solid lure that could take out threats such as Gliscor and Skarmory, which make the lives of Gliscor and Salamence much easier. I also realized I had no Steel-type, which meant that CB Scizor could annihilate my team with Bullet Punch, as my Gliscor was offensive. Just then, it hit me: Mixrachi. I decided to use the set that I had created a couple of monts back for my dual dragon rmt, as it could successfuly lure in Skarmory and Gliscor and knock them out in a flash. It was the perfect lure, especially since it could annihilate Scizor with Fire Punch.

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    And so, my team was complete.


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    Cold Mic (Abomasnow) (M) @ Expert Belt
    Trait: Snow Warning
    EVs: 252 Atk / 104 SAtk / 152 Spd
    Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
    - Ice Shard
    - Earthquake
    - Wood Hammer
    - Hidden Power [Fire]

    The first part of my Dual Weather core. This thing is amazing. It's massive coverage alongside Expert Belt and solid Attack stat means it can deal a very large amount of damage to a wide variety of threats. The first thing that you may notice about this set is that I lack the signature move of Abomasnow and hail teams: Blizzard. I used to have it on the set, but I replaced it with Earthquake. Blizzard wasn't realy necessary for my team as much as Earthquake was, as Earthquake lets Abomasnow nab a solid 2HKO on Jirachi and knock out Heatran. The Speed EVs let Abomasnow outrun many threats; it's the standard spread for the mixed attacker set. However, I added some more EVs into Speed in order to outrun 8 Speed Heatran, which is what most people use. The beauty of this set is that it decimates common switch-ins, nabbing Scizor with Hidden Power Fire and the aforementioned Heatran with Earthquake. Ice Shard is my only form of priority on this team, and it works wonders, being able to decimate Pokemon such as Landorus and Dragonite. Wood Hammer is Abomasnow's main STAB move, and wreaks havoc on the opposition. It is ridiculously strong, and can OHKO Tyranitar.

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    The Boss (Tyranitar) (F) @ Babiri Berry
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Punch
    - Stone Edge
    - Dragon Dance

    The second half of my dual weather core. Originally I had CB Tar on this team, but I replaced it with an even more underrated set. DD Tar is amazing, and can rip holes in the opponent's team quite easily. It's extremely easy to set up as well. Babiri Berry is the perfect item, allowing Tyranitar to sponge a Bullet Punch from Scizor and deal a massive amount of damage to it with Stone Edge. It also helps Tyranitar set up on Pokemon such as Jirachi and Magnezone. You may have noticed that this Tyranitar lacks Crunch, but it really doesn't need it. STAB Stone Edge hits extremely hard after a Dragon Dance, demolishing a large portion of the tier. Earthquake provides almost perfect coverage alongside Stone Edge, and can destroy the likes of Heatran and opposing Tyranitar. Ice Punch rounds off the set, granting me a way to OHKO Gliscor after +1 and a more reliable hit against Dragon-types. The great thing about this Tyranitar is that, unlike most sweepers, it can take hits, and priority is almost no problem. With Babiri Berry, only Mach Punch is a real problem for Tyranitar, and the only Pokemon in OU that runs that is Conkeldurr, who is demolished by my Gliscor.

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    Uber (Deoxys-D) @ Fire Gem
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Psycho Boost
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Spikes
    - Stealth Rock

    My own creation and the beast. This thing does its job almost all of the time; the only time it doesn't is when it gets haxed. Stealth Rock and Spikes in tandem with max Speed works wonders, plaguing my opponent for the entire game. The Speed EVs let me outrun a large part of the metagame, which is extremely useful, especially since it can take hits easily. Even without HP investment, tanking hits is no problem for this monster. Max Special Attack lets Deoxys-D hit as hard as possible, allowing it to wreak much more havoc than you'd expect. My first surprise on this set is Hidden Power Fire with a Fire Gem, OHKOing Scizor and knocking Forretress to Sturdy. My second surprise is Psycho Boost, a very underrated move on Deoxys-Defense. A 140 Base Power STAB move should never be underestimated, letting Deoxys-S net OHKOs on several things, including Breloom, Conkeldurr, and most importantly, deal upwards of 75% to Tentacruel. Knocking out spinners is crucial since I lack a spin-blocker, and this set accomplishes that very well. Forretress and Tentacruel stand no chance, and Donphan can be taken out by two HP Fires and a Psycho Boost (they'll spin first turn, then SR / EQ, and then stay in seeing all I can do is HP Fire, allowing me to take them out). A crucial part of my team.
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    Clutchscor (Gliscor) (M) @ Flying Gem
    Trait: Sand Veil
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Acrobatics
    - Substitute
    - Agility
    - Earthquake

    Hax Machine Version 1. Sand Veil frustrates so many people, it's not even funny (ok it is, but yeah ;) ). It gives me a shot to win games that I would have no chance of winning otherwise, and even without Sand Veil, it can work wonders. Acrobatics hits ridiculously hard after STAB and Flying Gem, and Earthquake hits everything else for solid damage. Substitute is an amazing way to maximize Sand Veil's full potential, and works wonders, especially against Rotom-W. However, I diverged from the standard set by running Agility over Swords Dance. I ran SD before, but switched it because the main problem with Acrobatics Gliscor is that it is still relatively slow compared to the rest of the metagame. With entry hazards and the power of Acrobatics, a +2 boost in Attack isn't usually necessary anyway, especially with Sand Veil on my side. Agility lets Gliscor outrun the whole metagame, and can let me sweep more frequently than you would think.

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    The End (Salamence) (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Fire Blast
    - Dragon Claw

    One of the greatest late-game sweepers in existence. With Moxie and a base 120 STAB move that is only resisted by a handful of pokes, Salamence can tear through teams like no tomorrow, especially with entry hazards. Base 100 Speed also means it can outrun almost all of the metagame with a Choice Scarf equipped, making it even more deadly. Earthquake provides amazing coverage alongside Outrage, and allows Salamence to destroy any Steel-types that come in and try to take an Outrage. Dragon Claw is an option over Outrage early in the game when it's dangerous staying in, or when I don't need to risk Outrage's confusion hax. Fire Blast rounds out the set by allowing Salamence to demolish any stray Skarmorys that try to wall it. The Stealth Rock weakness doesn't prove to be too much of a problem since I don't need Salamence to switch in very many times a game anyway, especially with the entry hazard support Deoxys-D provides, as well as the excellent luring job that my Jirachi does.

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    MVP (Jirachi) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 36 Atk / 252 SAtk / 220 Spd
    Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Iron Head
    - Fire Punch
    - Thunderbolt

    THE MVP. This thing is just amazing, and I have won countless games just with this little guy. I first created this set a couple of months ago, and only updated its EV spread a little bit in order to outrun Adamant Acrobatics Gliscor. This thing is the best lure I have ever seen, and arguably the best one in history. With astouding coverage in tandem with the amazing hax powers of Iron Head, this thing can be a real pain to stop. Iron Head is a very crucial move, allowing Jirachi to hit special walls hard and, more importantly, weaken Pokemon such as Hippowdon and Jellicent into KO range of my other moves. Hidden Power Ice lets me slaughter Gliscor, and also lets me annihilate any DD Dragonites that try to set up on me. Fire Punch serves a crucial role in allowing Jirachi to destroy Scizor, who otherwise can be a major problem for my team. Thunderbolt annihilates Skarmory, and also has great neutral coverage. I figured that Special Attack investment would be superior to Attack investment, as this thing is essentially my main special attacker.

    Threatlist:
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    Expert Belt Landorus: This thing is just annoying. I can usually force it to around 80% HP or so with Stealth Rock and hail, which means that Salamence can kill it. If it's at 87% or above, and my Abomasnow is dead, it's game.

    SD Gliscor: With 216 Speed and a Jolly nature, this thing sweeps me so easily.

    Starmie: The only spinner that can beat my Deoxys-D. This makes this thing a real pain to face, but Starmie itself isn't too big of a problem.

    Choice Scarf Jirachi: This thing is just a pain, and I have to rely on entry hazards to beat it.

    Smashpass: I lose, gg.

    Baton Pass: See above.


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    Gliscor (M) @ Flying Gem
    Trait: Sand Veil
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Acrobatics
    - Substitute
    - Agility
    - Earthquake

    Tyranitar (F) @ Babiri Berry
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Punch
    - Stone Edge
    - Dragon Dance

    Jirachi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 36 Atk / 252 SAtk / 220 Spd
    Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Fire Punch
    - Thunderbolt
    - Iron Head

    Abomasnow (F) @ Expert Belt
    Trait: Snow Warning
    EVs: 252 Atk / 112 SAtk / 144 Spd
    Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
    - Wood Hammer
    - Ice Shard
    - Earthquake
    - Hidden Power [Fire]

    Deoxys-D @ Fire Gem
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Psycho Boost
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Spikes
    - Stealth Rock

    Salamence (F) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Fire Blast
    - Dragon Claw
  2. BTzz

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    Hey ShakeItUp, awesome team! I love dual weather. About the Gliscor and Landorus weaknesses you pointed out, you could go with Air Balloon on Tyranitar. You already have HP Fire on Deo-D and Abomasnow, as well as Fire Punch on Jirachi, so a fourth way to surprise Scizor seems a bit unessasary. Air Balloon enables Tyranitar to switch into Lando's / Gliscor's EQs and nail them with Ice Punch. Shuca Berry is also an option, if you still want to bluff the choice set, but unfortunately Tyranitar can't survive an Expert Belt boosted EQ from Landorus.

    Great team and gl! [​IMG]
  3. -Tsunami-

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    Thanks! That seems like an interesting idea; I'll test it out.
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    I've actually been running the exact same Jirachi set recently (granted with a different spread, I don't really think that you need all of that speed). It's amazing how many holes it opens in the opposing teams, especially for your Salamence late game.

    Cool team Ravenn. A luvdisc for you sir
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    As it seems you are also rocking OU, well done! Amazing team, love the originality and the dual weather theme, luvdisc'ed!
  6. -Tsunami-

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    thanks! also, gj for calling me Ravenn :)

    Thanks! And haha, I started playing OU a while before RU.
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    Love the originality of this team, especially the Deoxys-D and Jirachi sets. To somewhat address the weakness to Landorus/Gliscor, though, have you considered running Shuca Berry over Leftovers on your Jirachi? As long as your Jirachi has a reasonable amount of health, it can survive an Earthquake and retaliate accordingly with a HP Ice. In a similar vein, Jirachi can also draw out stuff like Mamoswine and kill it, opening a path up for your two 4x Ice-weak mons. As an added bonus, it'd allow you to bluff a Choice set on Jirachi, which could help you get a surprise kill.

    Great job all around!
  8. Smith

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    Hey just as a quick rate, you might consider using Stone Edge > Fire Blast on Salamence. Even with two weather inducers, since neither is toed, you're pretty weak to Volcarona, who can really do damage to your entire team and who is not OHKO'd by Salamence's Outrage. I'd also worry about DD Gyarados, who with Bounce can really mess up this team.

    As others have mentioned, you should also consider Shuca on Tyranitar. Babiri is nice and all, but in my opinion Jirachi, Deoxys-D and Abomasnow all serve as perfectly capable lures for Scizor, so if you play right he should be fainted before you go for that DD sweep. Landorus, of course, is more problematic, as is Gliscor, and with that Ice Punch you can sweep pretty easily or kill them for the rest of the team, at the least. Cool team, gl!
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    Hi there, ShakeItUp!

    This is a cool and original team! I like the Politoed w/ Endeavor one better, though. To be perfectly honest, I don't see why Agility is needed on Gliscor. With Subsitute the Speed issue is fixed since you're not hit anyways. So this is why I recommend Swords Dance instead of Agility. You don't outspeed things, but Gliscor is fast enough as it is anyways, and SD let's you hit hard and it beats Skarmory 1v1 late game if need be! For the Abomasnow EV's I recommend you try out 212 Atk / 200 SpA / 96 Spe. The current Smogon EV's have a much faster Heatran, and the given EV's allow you to outspeed Skarmory, OHKO Band Scizor, and have a good chance of OHKO's 252 HP Tyranitar. You can still hit Tyranitar on the switch with Earthquake. And lastly I agree with everyone saying try out Shuca Berry on Tyranitar to live Earthquakes from the likes of Gliscor and Landorus!

    Cool team, thanks for sharing!
  10. -Tsunami-

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    Yeah I'll try Shuca / Air Balloon on Tyranitar. Thanks! I would use Stone Edge but Fire Blast is nice since it lets me OHKO Forretress that try to come in, as well as Skarmory. I don't think I need Stone Edge since Salamence can do a lot of damage to Gyarados with Outrage anyway, and I've OHKO'd every Volcarona I've played so far with Outrage.

    Thanks! Yeah I noticed that about Abomasnow, but I still like to try the current EV spread since not very many people actually use the EV spread on-site. Also, I love Agility on Gliscor. It is much more amazing than Swords Dance on this set since it lets Gliscor sweep more easily late-game when the opponent has things such as Landorus, Latios, and Terrakion. The raw power of Acrobatics and Gliscor's awesome coverage make SD not necessary anyway, especially with entry hazards
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    can you post the importable please?
  12. -Tsunami-

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    ok lol
    might as well. added.
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    Hey dude, first of all, kudos for using Dual Weather. I used a Sand + Rain team to get top 10 once, but this...this is out of my league. Who woulda thought Hail and Sand make a decent combination? Not me, that's for sure.

    Anyways, on to your team. I know you're probably going to get this a million times, but Scizor absolutely wrecks you. There's no question about it. Jirachi, in all honesty, cannot effectively handle Scizor, especially the common Choice Band variant, which can do well over 50% with a STAB-boosted U-Turn, predicting the switch to Jirachi. Now at this point, you may be protesting in disbelief, saying such things as "but I've still got my trusty Fire Punch and that HP Fire swag on Deo-D!" However, what if Deoxys-D took a Pursuit to the face from your old buddy Tyranitar? What if Jirachi has fallen prey to the rising-in-popularity strategy of Dugtrio + Sun, or perhaps a Specs Magnezone? What will you do at this point? That, sir, is a question we can answer only by hoping to avoid such a situation. However, there is a possible solution for you. You might consider changing your Gliscor set to a bulkier, possibly even haxxier version. This will minimize the threat that Scizor poses to your team - and, if I do say so myself, the set I'm proposing is much better than your current one.

    Bulky HaxScor (open)
    Gliscor @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sand Veil
    EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spd
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Substitute
    - Swords Dance
    - Acrobatics
    - Roost


    There's not much else for me to criticize. Great team, and keep up the hard work!

    also
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    whats the plan against other DD ttar, setting up von deoxys?? I dont know if Scarfmence is the best answer to it, due to its SRweakness and the instant 6,25% health losing each turn, and a switch in tyranitar always carries some risk, while it takes a lot of damage by either crunch or especially stone edge. I would suggest putting a scarf on jirachi, but you have to tell me what the problems would be then :D

    But i dont know how many dd ttars your face, i only mention it because i play it on my own, and in the last time i saw some, sooo :x
  15. -Tsunami-

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    This is an offensive team; I don't mind losing Pokemon. I don't switch in Jirachi into Scizor unless it's locked into Bullet Punch or they just killed something. Keeping Jirachi alive when they have Scizor is simple enough, and I make sure to keep Gliscor alive late-game as well. It's not 2HKO'd by Bullet Punch and can do about 85% with Acrobatics. Also, I usually get up at least 1 layer of Stealth Rock and 1 layer of Spikes, so in between that, Gliscor, Fire Blast Mence, Fire Punch Jirachi, and HP Fire Deoxys-D, Scizor isn't too big of an issue. Dugtrio + sun = no Scizor. Specs Magnezone is 2HKO'd by Fire Punch after hazards, so it's not too big of a problem either. Bottom line, entry hazards help stop Scizor. Thanks anyway though :)

    Personally, I've never run across too many DD Tyranitars. They can essentially rape me, but most of them don't run Ice Punch, which means they have to hit like a 60% Stone Edge on my Gliscor to kill it. Not the most reliable way to counter a Pokemon, but it's so rare that I'm not too worried about it. It should be used more though!
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    Why Acrobatics? You have Lefties, so Acrobatics is going to have 55 BP, so Aerial Ace is better.
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    I hate this team so much... I was with Taylor talking about how random and bad it is and how it keeps fucking us over. I hate you. The Deoxys always screws my scizor that Jirachode.... Fuck you man.

    No good team so frickin random.

    I always thought the world was some noob
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    10/10. You may have some trouble with de Rawks. But other than that, your team is exceptionally solid. I can't think of a way to really punish anything on your team. XD
    Great job, ShakeItUp.
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    kudos on using both abomasnow and tyranitar on the same team. they make excellent partners! minus the fighting weakness.

    my best dpp team was centered around both abomasnow and tyranitar
  20. Woe of Tyrants

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    I'm glad people are realizing that Abomasnow is actually a good Pokemon in it's own right.
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    lmfao. if its so bad, how does it kerp fucking you over? rotfl.

    anyways, great team. luvdisc!!!
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    thanks everyone! :D
    and lol asterat ;)
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    I really dig that Abomasnow set. <3
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    The fastest thing Deoxys will possibly need to outspeed in OU is acrobat gliscor Which only hits 289 speed which means you can run a slightly bulkier set: 68 HP, 252 SpA, 188 Spe
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    This team is INCREDIBLY weak to Baton Pass. After playing about 5 people with this team and raping all of them with one team, I would have to say that you have almost no way to stop people from getting off at least one Pass. Which means that lots of stuff is going to die.

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