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Ariados [GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by shnen, Mar 18, 2012.

  1. shnen

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    [Overview]

    <p>Upon taking a quick look over Ariados's stats and typing, one might wonder why you would ever want to use this spider. Indeed, there are many negative things to say about the arachnid; his typing is generic and provides him with a Stealth Rock weakness, and isn't great offensively either. There are many other Pokemon that give him competition for a slot on your team depending on his moveset, such as Garbodor and Pinsir. As if that wasn't enough, Ariados's stats leave much to be desired, with his only usable stat being his decent base 90 Attack, and his base 40 Speed being particularly awful. Ariados also got shafted with the new generation—he can no longer fulfill his role of Baton Passing Spider Web due to the new mechanics in BW. Despite this, Ariados is still able to fill a niche role in NU: that of an offensive Toxic Spikes user. Although his typing is bad offensively, it does provide him with 4x resistances to Fighting- and Grass-type moves, which gives him a window to switch in easily. Overall, although one cannot call Ariados an exceptional Pokemon, he is still usable.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Toxic Spikes
    move 1: Toxic Spikes
    move 2: Sucker Punch / Shadow Sneak
    move 3: Poison Jab / Bug Bite
    move 4: Protect
    item: Focus Sash
    ability: Insomnia
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Toxic Spikes is Ariados's best option for a set that isn't completely outclassed. Toxic Spikes are very lethal in NU due to the lack of good Poison-types, although Pokemon such as Vileplume do still exist to absorb them. One of the things that sets Ariados apart from Garbodor and other Toxic Spikes users is his access to decently strong priority moves, which allow him to get a strong hit on Pokemon such as Magmortar and Jynx, who would otherwise KO him. Sucker Punch hits twice as hard as Shadow Sneak, but it relies on prediction and can leave Ariados prone to being set up on; as such, Shadow Sneak can be used instead.</p>

    <p>Poison Jab is Ariados's strongest STAB move and enables him to hit many Pokemon for a decent amount of damage. Although Bug Bite has a lower Base Power than Poison Jab, it has much better super effective coverage, such as against common Psychic- and Dark-types, including Absol. Poison Jab is generally preferred, however, as its higher Base Power comes in handy against Pokemon who take neutral damage from it, such as Miltank. Additionally, Poison Jab has better neutral coverage against threats such as Swellow, Magmortar, and Rotom-S. Protect is chosen pretty much for lack of a better move to use. Nevertheless, it prevents the rare Fake Out lead—such as Persian—from breaking Ariados's Focus Sash, and also allows him to scout moves, especially from Pokemon holding Choice items.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs let Ariados hit as hard as possible, which he needs due to his mediocre Attack, and also makes him as fast as possible. Barring multi-hit moves and Taunt, Ariados will always get both layers of Toxic Spikes up against a slower opponent thanks to his Focus Sash, which is primarily used for this purpose. You can choose to invest in his bulk to allow him to stick around for longer when setting up Toxic Spikes, in which case Leftovers should be used over a Focus Sash. However, this means that Ariados will face even more competition from Garbodor, and his shoddy defensive stats will more than likely let you down. On the upside, this means that Ariados can come in later in the game on Pokemon that lack a super effective Hidden Power, such as Tangela, due to his 4x resistance to Tangela's Grass-type STAB attacks and Insomnia shielding Ariados from Sleep Powder. With prediction, Ariados would even be able to switch in on Choice Sawk, although there is a great risk of your opponent predicting this and using Stone Edge.</p>

    <p>While they aren't common in the NU tier, Pokemon with Taunt can walk all over Ariados, as his main role is to set up Toxic Spikes. Skuntank and Misdreavus in particular don't take too much from Ariados's other moves; Misdreavus will also walk all over Ariados that lack Shadow Sneak, as she can avoid Sucker Punch and burn Ariados with Will-O-Wisp. Ariados can elect to use Mental Herb over Focus Sash to mitigate its Taunt weakness, but Focus Sash has much more general utility due to the general dearth of Taunt users, as well as the fact that Ariados effectively needs a Focus Sash to survive most decently strong neutral attacks. A good partner for Ariados should therefore be able to deal with these Pokemon; Magmortar can switch into Misdreavus with ease and fire off fantastically strong attacks,, It can also come in on Skuntank's Taunt, but has to be careful of Poison Jab or Crunch. Another good Pokemon for this job is Swellow, who can take anything Misdreavus throws at him bar the virtually nonexistent Thunderbolt, and can play prediction mindgames with Quick Attack and Sucker Punch. As with Magmortar, though, Swellow has to be careful when coming in on Skuntank as his frailty does not let him take strong STAB attacks well.</p>

    <p>Given that Ariados's main aim is to set up Toxic Spikes for his team, Pokemon that benefit from this support are obviously the best teammates. Swellow and Magmortar are fantastic examples, as most of their counters are quickly worn down by Toxic Spikes, leaving said counters too weak to handle them any longer. As with any Pokemon weak to Stealth Rock, a spinner is always handy, but as Ariados should mainly be used as a lead, this is not as necessary. Despite this, both Swellow and Magmortar are also weak to Stealth Rock, so a spinner is a wise idea. Good Pokemon for this job include Cryogonal and Armaldo, the latter of whom can also set up Stealth Rock for your team to help break down your opponent.</p>

    <p>As it would suck to spend so much time setting up your hazards only to see them removed quickly, especially given the suicidal nature of this set, a spinblocker is a necessary partner to Ariados. The best spinblocker in NU is arguably Misdreavus, who pairs excellently with Ariados. Other good options include Haunter and Drifblim, who work on a more offensive team. As alluded to above, Stealth Rock support is great in conjunction with Ariados, as it guarantees damage on every Pokemon—aside from Magic Guard users such as Duosion—in addition to hitting Flying-types that are immune to Toxic Spikes for a quarter of their health. Good Pokemon to set up Stealth Rock include Golem, Mesprit, and Regirock.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Ariados cannot viably run many other sets. A Baton Pass set was viable last generation, but Ariados lost his ability to Baton Pass Spider Web, meaning that he can only pass Agility boosts. However, Ariados's low Speed and bad bulk make him greatly outclassed in this role by the likes of Gorebyss, Lopunny, and Emolga. Ariados's access to Disable enables him to run a Substitute + Disable set, but his abysmal Speed makes it terrible in reality.</p>

    <p>Night Shade is also an option, providing a supply of constant damage. It also means that Ariados will not have to run Attack EVs, allowing him to invest in his bulk some more. A purely physical attacking set could work, but the only usable physical options that Ariados gets in addition to his STAB moves are Sucker Punch, Shadow Sneak, Return, and Pursuit, granting him ridiculously poor coverage: no matter what moves Ariados uses, he will always be walled by Steel-types such as Probopass, as well as any remotely physically bulky Pokemon. Regirock and Golem in particular completely counter him very well, as they can easily shrug off any of his attacks and hit him hard with STAB super effective Rock-type attacks.</p>

    <p>Lastly, one might wish to use one of Ariados's other abilities. Swarm provides a useful power boost to his Bug Bite at low health, but nearly everything is strong enough to KO Ariados when his HP is low enough for Swarm to kick in. Sniper on the other hand is fantastically gimmicky and luck-reliant, as Ariados will be sure to cause major damage 6.25% of the time. In general, however, you would be better off sticking with Insomnia, which allows Ariados to more easily switch into Tangela and Jynx.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Unfortunately for Ariados, counters to him are very numerous. Grounded Poison-types, mainly Vileplume, Garbodor, and Amoonguss, are the bane of Ariados, as they can suck up the Toxic Spikes he worked so hard to set up merely upon switching in, meaning they cannot be stopped. As mentioned, Taunt users such as Skuntank and Misdreavus completely put a halt to Ariados's shenanigans. Most faster Pokemon, most notably Magmortar and Rotom-S, are able to at least 2HKO Ariados, limiting him to only a single layer of Toxic Spikes.</p>

    <p>Rock-types also easily beat Ariados by tanking his weak attacks and KOing it. Particularly problematic are those that commonly run Rock Blast, such as Golem and Gigalith, as they can strike right through his Focus Sash. Similarly, Cinccino poses a big threat to Ariados, as it is able to Rock Blast him to oblivion despite his Focus Sash. In fact, most Pokemon with multi-hit moves other than Bullet Seed or Arm Thrust can beat Ariados. Most Ground-types such as Quagsire and Camerupt can easily beat him due to their resistance to Poison Jab, with Camerupt also packing a resistance to Bug Bite. Finally, Marowak can set up a Substitute on Ariados before using Bonemerang to get rid of the poor spider.</p>
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    [Overview]

    <p>Upon taking a quick look over Ariados' stats and typing, one may wonder why you would ever want to use this spider. Indeed, there are many negative things to say about the A(a)rachnid; his typing is generic and provides a Stealth Rock weakness, as well as not being great offensively. There are many other Pokemon that give him competition for a slot on your team, depending on his moveset, such as Garbodor and Pinsir. As if that wasn't enough, Ariados's stats leave much to be desired, with the only usable stat being his decent base 90 Attack. His base 40 Speed is particularly awful. Ariados also got shafted with the new generation—he can no longer fulfil(l) his role of Baton Passing Spider Webs due to the new mechanics in BW. Despite this, Ariados is still able to fill a niche (role in NU:), that being of an offensive Toxic Spikes user. Although his typing is bad offensively, it does provide him with 4x resists to Fighting- and Grass-type moves, which gives him a window to switch in easily. Overall, although one could not call Ariados an exceptional you (Overall, although one could not call Ariados an exceptional Pokemon, he is still usable.)

    [SET]
    name: Toxic Spikes
    move 1: Toxic Spikes
    move 2: Sucker Punch / Shadow Sneak
    move 3: Poison Jab / Bug Bite
    move 4: Protect
    item: Focus Sash
    ability: Insomnia
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Toxic Spikes is Ariados' best option for a set without being (that isn't) completely outclassed. Toxic Spikes are very lethal in NU due to the lack of good Poison-types, although Pokemon such as Vileplume do still exist to absorb them. One of the things that set(s) Ariados apart from Garbodor and other Toxic Spikes users is his access to decently strong priority moves. These allow Ariados to get a strong hit on Pokemon such as Magmortar and especially Jynx (comma) who would otherwise KO him. Sucker Punch hits twice as hard as Shadow Sneak, however it is much more prediction reliant; (relies on prediction) and can leave you (Ariados) prone to being set up on, and as such Shadow Sneak can be used instead. Poison Jab is Ariados's strongest STAB move, which allows him to hit many Pokemon for a decent amount of damage. Although Bug Bite has a lower BP (Base Power) than Poison Jab, it has much better super-effective coverage, hitting the common Psychic-types harder than Sucker Punch or Shadow Sneak, as well as scoring a large hit on Dark-type Pokemon such as Absol. Poison Jab is generally preferred (comma) however; (comma) as its higher BP (Base Power) comes in handy against Pokemon who take neutral damage from it, such as Miltank, as well as the fact that there are many Pokemon who resist Bug Bite but are neutral to Poison Jab, including Swellow, Magmortar (comma) and Rotom-S. Protect is pretty much for lack of a better move to use, however it prevents the rare Fake Out leads such as Persian from breaking Ariados's Focus Sash, and also allows him to scout moves from Pokemon holding a Choice item; and of course those without one (comma) (especially from Pokemon holding Choice items). </p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs let Ariados hit as hard as possible, which he needs due to his mediocre at best Attack, as well as being as fast as possible(period) (B)barring multi-hit moves and Taunt, Ariados will always get both layers of Toxic Spikes up against a slower opponent thanks to his Focus Sash, which is primarily used for this purpose. You may choose to invest in his bulk as to allow him to stick around for longer when setting up Toxic Spikes; in which case Leftovers should be used over a Focus Sash, (peroid) (H)however (comma) this means that Ariados will be in even more competition with Garbodor, and his shoddy defensive stats will more than likely let you down. On the positive (up)side, this means that Ariados can come in later in the game on Pokemon such as Tangela (comma) (who lacks) lacking a super-effective Hidden Power due to his 4x resistance to Tangela's Grass-type STAB attacks and Insomnia shielding Ariados from any deadly Sleep Powders Tangela may throw out. Ariados would also be able to come in on Choiced Sawk with prediction, although there is a great risk of your opponent predicting this and using Stone Edge. </p>

    <p>Pokemon with Taunt can walk all over Ariados, as his main role is to set up Toxic Spikes. Fortunately, there are not many of these in the NU tier, but Ariados still has to fear those who do have it such as Skuntank and Misdreavus, who don't take too much from his other moves; (period) especially if Ariados is using Sucker Punch over Shadow Sneak as Misdreavus can simply use Will-O-Wisp to burn him and then stall him out by not directly attacking. (Misdreavus will walk all over Ariados who lack Shadow Sneak as they can avoid Sucker Punch and burn Ariados with Will-O-Wisp.) Mental Herb can also be used over Focus Sash to prevent this, however Focus Sash has much more general utility due to the low amount of Taunt users combined with the fact that Ariados effectively needs a Focus Sash to live (survive) most decently strong neutral attacks. A good partner for Ariados should therefore be able to deal with these Pokemon, (semi-colon) Magmortar can switch into Misdreavus with ease and begin to fire out fantastically strong attacks, and can also come in on Skuntank's Taunt, however one has to be careful when doing this as a (of) Poison Jab or Crunch will send him running to the hills. Another good Pokemon for this job is Swellow, who can take anything Misdreavus throws at him barring something like the non-existent Thunderbolt, and can play prediction mindgames with Quick Attack and Sucker Punch, although as with Magmortar he has to be (careful when) coming in on Skuntank as his frailty does not lend well to taking strong STAB attacks from Skuntank.</p>

    <p>Given that Ariados is mainly aiming to set up Toxic Spikes for his team, Pokemon that benefit from Toxic Spikes are obviously the best teammates. Swellow and Magmortar are fantastic examples of this, as most of their counters (Rock-types for Swellow, and Camerupt; Quagsire; and Altaria depending on the type of Hidden Power Magmortar runs) are quickly worn down by Toxic Spikes, eventually leaving them too weak to handle these Pokemon any longer. As with any Stealth Rock weak Pokemon (Pokemon weak to Stealth Rock), a spinner is always handy, however given that Ariados should mainly be used as a lead this is not as necessary as it is for other Pokemon. Despite this, both Swellow and Magmortar are also weak to Stealth Rock; and so a spinner is a wise idea, (period) g(G)ood Pokemon for this job include Cryogonal and Armaldo; (comma) who can also set up Stealth Rock for your team to help break down your opponent. Now, it would suck to spend so much time setting up your hazards only to see them removed quickly right? This is especially true due to the suicidal nature of this set. For this reason, spinblockers are a near necessity when using Ariados. The best spinblocker in NU is (arguably) Misdreavus, who pairs excellently with Ariados. Other good options for this include Haunter and Drifblim, who work on a more offensive team, utilising a suicidal Ariados to quickly get Toxic Spikes up, blocking any attempts to Rapid Spin away these Toxic Spikes, and trying to break down the opponent's Pokemon quickly. As alluded to above, Stealth Rock support is great in conjunction with Ariados, as it guarantees damage on every Pokemon (aside from Pokemon that possess Magic Guard such as Duosion), in addition to hitting Flying-types that are immune to Toxic Spikes for a quarter of their health upon switching in. Good users of this (Pokemon to set up Stealth Rock) include Golem, Mesprit, and Regirock.</p>

    [Other Options]
    (+space)
    <p>Ariados really does not have too many other sets that he can potentially run. A Baton Pass set was viable last generation. Sadly, Ariados lost his ability to Baton Pass Spider Web, meaning that he can only Baton Pass Agility. Ariados's low Speed and bad bulk means that he will be outclassed by other Pokemon with the ability to Baton Pass Agility, for example, Gorebyss; (comma) Lopunny; (comma) and Emolga are all much better choices. Ariados has access to Disable, meaning that a Substitute + Disable set could be possible, however Ariados's abysmal Speed means that in reality this is terrible. Night Shade is also an option, providing a supply of constant damage. In addition, it lets Ariados break nearly every Substitute in NU, when one of his other moves is (are) simply too weak. It also means that Ariados will not have to run Attack EVs, allowing him to invest in his bulk some more. A purely physical attacking set could work, however the only usable physical options that Ariados gets are Sucker Punch, Shadow Sneak, Return and Pursuit, alongside his STAB moves, meaning that Ariados will fail to get good enough coverage to be usable—no matter what moves Ariados uses, he will always be walled by Steel-types such as Probopass, as well as any remotely physically bulky Pokemon. Regirock and Golem in particular completely counter him very well, as they can easily shrug off any of his attacks, and hit hard with STAB, super-effective, Rock-type attacks. Lastly, one may wish to use one of his other three abilities, (semi-colon) Swarm provides a useful power boost to his Bug Bite at low health, however nearly everything is strong enough to KO Ariados when his HP is low enough for Swarm to kick in. Sniper on the other hand is fantastically gimmicky and luck-reliant, although when you do get that 6.25% chance you are sure to cause major damage. Most of the time however, you would be better off sticking with Insomnia which allows Ariados to switch into Tangela and Jynx better.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]
    (+space)
    <p>Unfortunately for Ariados, counters to him are very numerous; it is not hard to beat Ariados. Grounded Poison-types, mainly Vileplume, Garbodor (comma) and Amoonguss, are the bane of Ariados. They can suck up the Toxic Spikes he worked so hard to set up without having to use Rapid Spin, meaning they cannot be stopped from doing this as you would spinblock Rapid Spin. As mentioned, Taunt users completely put a halt to Ariados's shenanigans. Most faster Pokemon are able to at least 2HKO Ariados, meaning that he will only be able to get up a single layer of Toxic Spikes. Rock-types also easily beat Ariados, tanking his weak attacks and killing Ariados, in particular those that commonly run Rock Blast such as Golem and Gigalith can strike right through his Focus Sash. Similarly, Cinccino poses a big threat to Ariados, being able to Rock Blast him to oblivion despite his Focus Sash. In fact, most Pokemon with multi-hit moves that aren't Bullet Seed or Arm Thrust can beat Ariados. Most Ground-types such as Quagsire and Camerupt can easily beat him due to their resistance to Poison Jab, with Camerupt also packing a resistance to both his STABS (Bug Bite). Finally, Marowak can set up a Substitute on Ariados before using Boomerang (Bonemerang) to get rid of the poor spider.</p>​


    Coffee/Pastry (open)
    [Overview]

    <p>Upon taking a quick look over Ariados' stats and typing, one may wonder why you would ever want to use this spider. Indeed, there are many negative things to say about the arachnid; his typing is generic and provides a Stealth Rock weakness, as well as not being great offensively. There are many other Pokemon that give him competition for a slot on your team depending on his moveset, such as Garbodor and Pinsir. As if that wasn't enough, Ariados's stats leave much to be desired, with the only usable stat being his decent base 90 Attack. His base 40 Speed is particularly awful. Ariados also got shafted with the new generation—he can no longer fulfill his role of Baton Passing Spider Web due to the new mechanics in BW. Despite this, Ariados is still able to fill a niche role in NU: that of an offensive Toxic Spikes user. Although his typing is bad offensively, it does provide him with 4x resists to Fighting- and Grass-type moves, which gives him a window to switch in easily. Overall, although one could not call Ariados an exceptional Pokemon, he is still usable. ​

    [SET]
    name: Toxic Spikes
    move 1: Toxic Spikes
    move 2: Sucker Punch / Shadow Sneak
    move 3: Poison Jab / Bug Bite
    move 4: Protect
    item: Focus Sash
    ability: Insomnia
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Toxic Spikes is Ariados' best option for a set that isn't completely outclassed. Toxic Spikes are very lethal in NU due to the lack of good Poison-types, although Pokemon such as Vileplume do still exist to absorb them. One of the things that sets Ariados apart from Garbodor and other Toxic Spikes users is his access to decently strong priority moves. These allow Ariados to get a strong hit on Pokemon such as Magmortar and especially Jynx, who would otherwise KO him. Sucker Punch hits twice as hard as Shadow Sneak, however it relies on prediction and can leave Ariados prone to being set up on, and as such Shadow Sneak can be used instead. Poison Jab is Ariados's strongest STAB move, which allows him to hit many Pokemon for a decent amount of damage. Although Bug Bite has a lower Base Power than Poison Jab, it has much better super effective coverage, hitting the common Psychic-types harder than Sucker Punch or Shadow Sneak, as well as scoring a large hit on Dark-type Pokemon such as Absol. Poison Jab is generally preferred, however, as its higher Base Power comes in handy against Pokemon who take neutral damage from it, such as Miltank, as well as the fact that there are many Pokemon who resist Bug Bite but are neutral to Poison Jab, including Swellow, Magmortar, and Rotom-S. Protect is pretty much for lack of a better move to use, however it prevents the rare Fake Out leads such as Persian from breaking Ariados's Focus Sash and also allows him to scout moves, especially from Pokemon holding Choice items. </p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs let Ariados hit as hard as possible, which he needs due to his mediocre Attack, as well as being as fast as possible. Barring multi-hit moves and Taunt, Ariados will always get both layers of Toxic Spikes up against a slower opponent thanks to his Focus Sash, which is primarily used for this purpose. You may choose to invest in his bulk to allow him to stick around for longer when setting up Toxic Spikes; in which case Leftovers should be used over a Focus Sash. However, this means that Ariados will be in even more competition with Garbodor, and his shoddy defensive stats will more than likely let you down. On the upside, this means that Ariados can come in later in the game on Pokemon such as Tangela, who lacks a super effective Hidden Power due to his 4x resistance to Tangela's Grass-type STAB attacks and Insomnia shielding Ariados from Sleep Powder. Ariados would also be able to come in on Choiced Sawk with prediction, although there is a great risk of your opponent predicting this and using Stone Edge. </p>

    <p>Pokemon with Taunt can walk all over Ariados, as his main role is to set up Toxic Spikes. Fortunately, there are not many of these in the NU tier, but Ariados still has to fear those who do have it such as Skuntank and Misdreavus, who don't take too much from his other moves. Misdreavus will walk all over Ariados who lack Shadow Sneak as they can avoid Sucker Punch and burn Ariados with Will-O-Wisp. Mental Herb can also be used over Focus Sash to prevent this, however Focus Sash has much more general utility due to the low amount of Taunt users combined with the fact that Ariados effectively needs a Focus Sash to survive most decently strong neutral attacks. A good partner for Ariados should therefore be able to deal with these Pokemon; Magmortar can switch into Misdreavus with ease and begin to fire out fantastically strong attacks, and can also come in on Skuntank's Taunt, however one has to be careful of Poison Jab or Crunch. Another good Pokemon for this job is Swellow, who can take anything Misdreavus throws at him barring something like the non-existent Thunderbolt, and can play prediction mindgames with Quick Attack and Sucker Punch, although as with Magmortar he has to be careful when coming in on Skuntank as his frailty does not lend well to taking strong STAB attacks.</p>

    <p>Given that Ariados is mainly aiming to set up Toxic Spikes for his team, Pokemon that benefit from Toxic Spikes are obviously the best teammates. Swellow and Magmortar are fantastic examples of this, as most of their counters are quickly worn down by Toxic Spikes, eventually leaving them too weak to handle these Pokemon any longer. As with any Pokemon weak to Stealth Rock, a spinner is always handy, however given that Ariados should mainly be used as a lead this is not as necessary as it is for other Pokemon. Despite this, both Swellow and Magmortar are also weak to Stealth Rock so a spinner is a wise idea. Good Pokemon for this job include Cryogonal and Armaldo, who can also set up Stealth Rock for your team to help break down your opponent. Now, it would suck to spend so much time setting up your hazards only to see them removed quickly right? This is especially true due to the suicidal nature of this set. For this reason, spinblockers are a necessity when using Ariados. The best spinblocker in NU is (arguably) Misdreavus, who pairs excellently with Ariados. Other good options include Haunter and Drifblim, who work on a more offensive team. As alluded to above, Stealth Rock support is great in conjunction with Ariados, as it guarantees damage on every Pokemon (aside from Pokemon that possess Magic Guard such as Duosion) in addition to hitting Flying-types that are immune to Toxic Spikes for a quarter of their health upon switching in. Good Pokemon to set up Stealth Rock include Golem, Mesprit, and Regirock.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Ariados really does not have too many other sets that he can potentially run. A Baton Pass set was viable last generation. Sadly, Ariados lost his ability to Baton Pass Spider Web, meaning that he can only Baton Pass Agility. Ariados's low Speed and bad bulk means that he will be outclassed by other Pokemon with the ability to Baton Pass Agility, for example, Gorebyss, Lopunny, and Emolga are all much better choices. Ariados has access to Disable, meaning that a Substitute + Disable set could be possible, however Ariados's abysmal Speed means that in reality this is terrible. Night Shade is also an option, providing a supply of constant damage. In addition, it lets Ariados break nearly every Substitute in NU when one of his other moves are simply too weak. It also means that Ariados will not have to run Attack EVs, allowing him to invest in his bulk some more. A purely physical attacking set could work, however the only usable physical options that Ariados gets are Sucker Punch, Shadow Sneak, Return and Pursuit, alongside his STAB moves, meaning that Ariados will fail to get good enough coverage to be usable—no matter what moves Ariados uses, he will always be walled by Steel-types such as Probopass, as well as any remotely physically bulky Pokemon. Regirock and Golem in particular completely counter him very well, as they can easily shrug off any of his attacks and hit hard with STAB super effective Rock-type attacks. Lastly, one may wish to use one of his other abilities; Swarm provides a useful power boost to his Bug Bite at low health, however nearly everything is strong enough to KO Ariados when his HP is low enough for Swarm to kick in. Sniper on the other hand is fantastically gimmicky and luck-reliant, although when you do get that 6.25% chance you are sure to cause major damage. Most of the time however, you would be better off sticking with Insomnia which allows Ariados to switch into Tangela and Jynx better.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Unfortunately for Ariados, counters to him are very numerous. Grounded Poison-types, mainly Vileplume, Garbodor, and Amoonguss, are the bane of Ariados. They can suck up the Toxic Spikes he worked so hard to set up without having to use Rapid Spin, meaning they cannot be stopped. As mentioned, Taunt users completely put a halt to Ariados's shenanigans. Most faster Pokemon are able to at least 2HKO Ariados, meaning that he will only be able to get up a single layer of Toxic Spikes. Rock-types also easily beat Ariados, tanking his weak attacks and killing Ariados, in particular those that commonly run Rock Blast such as Golem and Gigalith can strike right through his Focus Sash. Similarly, Cinccino poses a big threat to Ariados, being able to Rock Blast him to oblivion despite his Focus Sash. In fact, most Pokemon with multi-hit moves that aren't Bullet Seed or Arm Thrust can beat Ariados. Most Ground-types such as Quagsire and Camerupt can easily beat him due to their resistance to Poison Jab, with Camerupt also packing a resistance to Bug Bite. Finally, Marowak can set up a Substitute on Ariados before using Bonemerang to get rid of the poor spider.</p>​


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    [Overview]

    <p>Upon taking a quick look over Ariados's stats and typing, one might wonder why you would ever want to use this spider. Indeed, there are many negative things to say about the arachnid; his typing is generic and provides him with a Stealth Rock weakness, and isn't great offensively either. There are many other Pokemon that give him competition for a slot on your team depending on his moveset, such as Garbodor and Pinsir. As if that wasn't enough, Ariados's stats leave much to be desired, with his only usable stat being his decent base 90 Attack, and his base 40 Speed being particularly awful. Ariados also got shafted with the new generation—he can no longer fulfill his role of Baton Passing Spider Web due to the new mechanics in BW. Despite this, Ariados is still able to fill a niche role in NU: that of an offensive Toxic Spikes user. Although his typing is bad offensively, it does provide him with 4x resistances to Fighting- and Grass-type moves, which gives him a window to switch in easily. Overall, although one cannot call Ariados an exceptional Pokemon, he is still usable.

    [SET]
    name: Toxic Spikes
    move 1: Toxic Spikes
    move 2: Sucker Punch / Shadow Sneak
    move 3: Poison Jab / Bug Bite
    move 4: Protect
    item: Focus Sash
    ability: Insomnia
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Toxic Spikes is Ariados's best option for a set that isn't completely outclassed. Toxic Spikes are very lethal in NU due to the lack of good Poison-types, although Pokemon such as Vileplume do still exist to absorb them. One of the things that sets Ariados apart from Garbodor and other Toxic Spikes users is his access to decently strong priority moves, which allow him to get a strong hit on Pokemon such as Magmortar and Jynx, who would otherwise KO him. Sucker Punch hits twice as hard as Shadow Sneak, but it relies on prediction and can leave Ariados prone to being set up on; as such, Shadow Sneak can be used instead.</p>

    <p>Poison Jab is Ariados's strongest STAB move and enables him to hit many Pokemon for a decent amount of damage. Although Bug Bite has a lower Base Power than Poison Jab, it has much better super effective coverage, such as against common Psychic- and Dark-types, including Absol. Poison Jab is generally preferred, however, as its higher Base Power comes in handy against Pokemon who take neutral damage from it, such as Miltank. Additionally, Poison Jab has better neutral coverage against threats such as Swellow, Magmortar, and Rotom-S. Protect is chosen pretty much for lack of a better move to use. Nevertheless, it prevents the rare Fake Out lead—such as Persian—from breaking Ariados's Focus Sash, and also allows him to scout moves, especially from Pokemon holding Choice items. </p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs let Ariados hit as hard as possible, which he needs due to his mediocre Attack, and also makes him as fast as possible. Barring multi-hit moves and Taunt, Ariados will always get both layers of Toxic Spikes up against a slower opponent thanks to his Focus Sash, which is primarily used for this purpose. You can choose to invest in his bulk to allow him to stick around for longer when setting up Toxic Spikes, in which case Leftovers should be used over a Focus Sash. However, this means that Ariados will face even more competition from Garbodor, and his shoddy defensive stats will more than likely let you down. On the upside, this means that Ariados can come in later in the game on Pokemon that lack a super effective Hidden Power, such as Tangela, due to his 4x resistance to Tangela's Grass-type STAB attacks and Insomnia shielding Ariados from Sleep Powder. With prediction, Ariados would even be able to switch in on Choice Sawk, although there is a great risk of your opponent predicting this and using Stone Edge.</p>

    <p>While they aren't common in the NU tier, Pokemon with Taunt can walk all over Ariados, as his main role is to set up Toxic Spikes. Skuntank and Misdreavus in particular don't take too much from Ariados's other moves; Misdreavus will also walk all over Ariados that lack Shadow Sneak, as she can avoid Sucker Punch and burn Ariados with Will-O-Wisp. Ariados can elect to use Mental Herb over Focus Sash to mitigate its Taunt weakness, but Focus Sash has much more general utility due to the general dearth of Taunt users, as well as the fact that Ariados effectively needs a Focus Sash to survive most decently strong neutral attacks. A good partner for Ariados should therefore be able to deal with these Pokemon; Magmortar can switch into Misdreavus with ease and fire off fantastically strong attacks,, It can also come in on Skuntank's Taunt, but has to be careful of Poison Jab or Crunch. Another good Pokemon for this job is Swellow, who can take anything Misdreavus throws at him bar the virtually nonexistent Thunderbolt, and can play prediction mindgames with Quick Attack and Sucker Punch. As with Magmortar, though, Swellow has to be careful when coming in on Skuntank as his frailty does not let him take strong STAB attacks well.</p>

    <p>Given that Ariados's main aim is to set up Toxic Spikes for his team, Pokemon that benefit from this support are obviously the best teammates. Swellow and Magmortar are fantastic examples, as most of their counters are quickly worn down by Toxic Spikes, leaving said counters too weak to handle them any longer. As with any Pokemon weak to Stealth Rock, a spinner is always handy, but as Ariados should mainly be used as a lead, this is not as necessary. Despite this, both Swellow and Magmortar are also weak to Stealth Rock, so a spinner is a wise idea. Good Pokemon for this job include Cryogonal and Armaldo, the latter of whom can also set up Stealth Rock for your team to help break down your opponent.</p>

    <p>As it would suck to spend so much time setting up your hazards only to see them removed quickly, especially given the suicidal nature of this set, a spinblocker is a necessary partner to Ariados. The best spinblocker in NU is arguably Misdreavus, who pairs excellently with Ariados. Other good options include Haunter and Drifblim, who work on a more offensive team. As alluded to above, Stealth Rock support is great in conjunction with Ariados, as it guarantees damage on every Pokemon—aside from Magic Guard users such as Duosion—in addition to hitting Flying-types that are immune to Toxic Spikes for a quarter of their health. Good Pokemon to set up Stealth Rock include Golem, Mesprit, and Regirock.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Ariados cannot viably run many other sets. A Baton Pass set was viable last generation, but Ariados lost his ability to Baton Pass Spider Web, meaning that he can only pass Agility boosts. However, Ariados's low Speed and bad bulk make him greatly outclassed in this role by the likes of Gorebyss, Lopunny, and Emolga. Ariados's access to Disable enables him to run a Substitute + Disable set, but his abysmal Speed makes it terrible in reality.</p>

    <p>Night Shade is also an option, providing a supply of constant damage. In addition, it lets Ariados break nearly every Substitute in NU, particularly those of <whose cant it already break?>. It also means that Ariados will not have to run Attack EVs, allowing him to invest in his bulk some more. <or move this bit to the above paragraph, whichever you feel fits better> A purely physical attacking set could work, but the only usable physical options that Ariados gets in addition to his STAB moves are Sucker Punch, Shadow Sneak, Return, and Pursuit, granting him ridiculously poor coverage: no matter what moves Ariados uses, he will always be walled by Steel-types such as Probopass, as well as any remotely physically bulky Pokemon. Regirock and Golem in particular completely counter him very well, as they can easily shrug off any of his attacks and hit him hard with STAB super effective Rock-type attacks.</p>

    <p>Lastly, one might wish to use one of Ariados's other abilities. Swarm provides a useful power boost to his Bug Bite at low health, but nearly everything is strong enough to KO Ariados when his HP is low enough for Swarm to kick in. Sniper on the other hand is fantastically gimmicky and luck-reliant, as Ariados will be sure to cause major damage 6.25% of the time. In general, however, you would be better off sticking with Insomnia, which allows Ariados to more easily switch into Tangela and Jynx.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Unfortunately for Ariados, counters to him are very numerous. Grounded Poison-types, mainly Vileplume, Garbodor, and Amoonguss, are the bane of Ariados, as they can suck up the Toxic Spikes he worked so hard to set up merely upon switching in, meaning they cannot be stopped. As mentioned, Taunt users such as <who?> completely put a halt to Ariados's shenanigans. Most faster Pokemon, most notably <who?>, are able to at least 2HKO Ariados, limiting him to only a single layer of Toxic Spikes.</p>

    <p>Rock-types also easily beat Ariados by tanking his weak attacks and KOing it. Particularly problematic are those that commonly run Rock Blast, such as Golem and Gigalith, as they can strike right through his Focus Sash. Similarly, Cinccino poses a big threat to Ariados, as it is able to Rock Blast him to oblivion despite his Focus Sash. In fact, most Pokemon with multi-hit moves other than Bullet Seed or Arm Thrust can beat Ariados. Most Ground-types such as Quagsire and Camerupt can easily beat him due to their resistance to Poison Jab, with Camerupt also packing a resistance to Bug Bite. Finally, Marowak can set up a Substitute on Ariados before using Bonemerang to get rid of the poor spider.</p>
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    Put examples in, you're right there aren't many Substitutes that he actually needs Night Shade to break lol so removed that sentence all together
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    You forgot a </p> tag at the end of the overview.
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