ASB Council Voting Part 3

[Dogfish44]

For this council we will be using a 7 man council team, and we will elect the councilmen in three different polls, to account for voter preferences changing based on certain combinations of membership. In this poll you will be voting for councilmen 6 and 7.

We will be using Instant Run-Off Voting, an explanation of which can be found here.

A sample vote will look as such:

Most Preferred
Second Most Preferred
Third Most Preferred

blah blah blah

Your nominees are:
Maxim
AOPSUser
waterwarrior
Geodude6
S0L1D G0LD
Eternal Drifter
Gerard
Its_A_Random
zarator
SubwayJ
ZhengTann


You may vote for as many or as few users as you wish. Remember, for this poll only the users with the two greatest totals of cumulative votes will be elected.

Voting will last ~48 hours, ending at 19:30 UTC, i.e. 14:30 EST.

Our current Council contains Texas Cloverleaf, Birkal, Pwnemon, Rediamond, and Dogfish44.

 

[Dogfish44]

Its_A_Random
zarator
ZhengTann
Gerard
Maxim
waterwarrior
SubwayJ
AOPSUser
Eternal Drifter
Geodude6
S0L1D G0LD

 

[starwarsfan]

Gerard
Its_A_Random
zarator
Maxim
ZhengTann
SubwayJ
AOPSUser
waterwarrior

 

[AOPSUser]

Its_A_Random
Zarator
waterwarrior
ZhengTann

 

[Matezoide]

Bleh, FINE, i will vote.

Its_A_Random
Zarator
Gerard
Waterwarrior
SubwayJ

 

[Engineer Pikachu]

Its_A_Random
ZhengTann
zarator
Maxim

 

[Eternal Drifter]

Its_A_Random
Gerard
Zarator
Maxim

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

Its_A_Random
SubwayJ
waterwarrior
Gerard
Maxim
zarator

 

[Gerard]

Gerard
Zarator
Its_A_Random
Maxim

 

[Leethoof]

Gerard
Zhengtann

 

[Objection]

Maxim
waterwarrior
ZhengTann
zarator
Its_A_Random

 

[deadfox081]

Maxim
ZhengTann
zarator

 

[tavok]

Its_A_Random
Gerard
SubwayJ
waterwarrior
zarator

 

[Pallas Athena]

zarator
Gerard
Its_A_Random
Maxim
SubwayJ
AOPSUser
Eternal Drifter
waterwarrior
Geodude6
ZhengTann
SOL1D G0LD

 

[waterwarrior]

Its_A_Random
waterwarrior
Zarator
Gerard
Eternal Drifter
Maxim
SubwayJ
ZhengTann
AOPSUser
Geodude6

 

[Stratos]

Gerard
Its_a_Random
Zarator

 

[ZhengTann]

Maxim
AOPSUser
ZhengTann
Its_A_Random
Eternal Drifter
zarator

 

[Frosty]

Gerard
Its_a_Random
Zarator

 

[Birkal]

Gerard
Its_A_Random
Maxim
Zarator

 

[Frosty]

Lemme see if I can do this properly...

Maxim - 3
AOPSUser - 0
waterwarrior - 0
Geodude6 - 0
S0L1D G0LD - 0
Eternal Drifter - 0
Gerard - 6
Its_A_Random - 8
zarator - 1
SubwayJ - 0
ZhengTann - 0

Removing AOPSUser, waterwarrior, Geodude6, S0l1d G0ld, Eternal Drifter, SubwayJ and Zheng Tann.

Maxim - 3
Gerard - 6
Its_A_Random - 8
zarator - 1

Removing zarator

Maxim - 3
Gerard - 7
Its_A_Random - 8

Removing Maxim

Gerard - 7
Its_A_Random - 10

Its_A_Random is Councilmember number 6.

- - -

Maxim - 3
AOPSUser - 0
waterwarrior - 1
Geodude6 - 0
S0L1D G0LD - 0
Eternal Drifter - 0
Gerard - 8
zarator - 4
SubwayJ - 1
ZhengTann - 1

Removing AOPSUser, Geodude6, S0l1d G0ld and Eternal Drifter.

Maxim - 3
waterwarrior - 1
Gerard - 8
zarator - 4
SubwayJ - 1
ZhengTann - 1

Removing waterwarrior, SubwayJ and ZhengTann

Maxim - 3
Gerard - 9
zarator - 6

Removing Maxim

Gerard - 9
zarator - 9.

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Okay Houston we have a problem.

Someone please double-check this. If the tie persists then the council (aka the previous council) will decide who goes, iirc.

 

[Birkal]

Double checked manually and with the PBV script. There is a tie between zarator and Gerard at nine votes each.

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

I'm thinking there's enough supplementary information here to induct zarator over Gerard.

The first piece of information that suggests this is the pure bold vote totals. Looking at how many community members listed the individuals on their ballot, Zarator received 17/18 votes, whereas Gerard received only 13/18 votes.

The second piece that suggests this to me is that Gerard submitted a ballot, and voted for himself on that ballot, whereas zarator did not vote at all. I believe some voting schemes either prevent self-votes or remove them in case of tie.

This is not a final decision by any means, just a logical suggestion on how to proceed. Feel free to add in any commentary.

Alternatives include the previous council voting, the current councilmen voting, or deck knight breaking the tie.


The previous discussion on ties did not reach a conclusion and can be found here.

 

[Dogfish44]

I don't think that looking at this as a pure bold vote is the right way to go - I listed all members because I wanted to be certain that no matter the final group voted, that my preference would be accounted for. I'm a little happier with the second reasoning, but not by much.

I don't want either past or present council (Only 6 members each) to vote. I'd rather see a DK tiebreaker for this, but what I'd also like is to re-open the polls since they've closed early. My thoughts on the immediate scenario.

 

[Frosty]

Before anything, I ended the poll after exact 48h >_>;. I don't mind if the poll is reopened, but I just wanted to say that.


Anyway.

I don't like neither bold voting nor no self-votes for a simple reason: it would be a tiebreaker decided after the voting occured. Voters can't be surprised like that.

We need to decide how we are going to tackle this. On the first time we simply went with a patch-up solution that didn't solve much and hoped that we wouldn't face the same problem again. I don't want the same to happen this time, if possible.

Because of that, I am also in favor of a 24h bold vote between zarator and Gerard. It was something I defended back the last time it happened and I still think it is the best way to go.

I also feel that we should adopt that solution as a tiebreaker rule for elections from now on.

The only...uh..."red tape"....uh..."issue" I am seeing is that the previous council ended their term (and they have only 6) and the new council didn't begin their term (and they also have 6). Neither can decide what we will do, in theory.

Who probably can/should is either Deck or the Policy Leader, aka Texas. Leaning towards the latter, so the former can step in as "last resource" (or whatever it is called) if needs be.

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

Several of us have talked over the issue and alternatives on irc and I'm comfortable making the following executive decision:

There will be a 48 hour Single Bold Vote Poll between Zarator and Gerard for the final council member spot. In the event of a further tie, Deck Knight will pose the tiebreaking vote.

Birkal has made it known that he intends to create a policy discussion on this topic at the induction of the council.

And finally, damn you ninja Frosty :[