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Data ASB Policy Committee Vote (05/27/2011)

Discussion in 'ASB' started by Deck Knight, May 27, 2011.

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  1. Deck Knight

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    This thread exists solely for voting among the Smogon ASB Policy Review Committee. Other posts will be moderated with extreme prejudice.

    Discussion is effectively over, now is the time to vote. If you would like to provide reasoning you may do so, however do not attempt to re-argue old battles or go after another position. Do not abstain from any votes, it is your responsibility as a committee member to make a choice. There is no decision cannot be reversed at a later date if it is deemed to have negative effects.

    Committee Members:
    Seven Deadly Sins
    DarkSlay
    Kaxtar
    Flora
    Tortferngatr
    Venser
    smashlloyd20
    GoldenKnight
    Rising_Dusk
    Athenodoros
    Acklow

    Implementations:

    MC Increase when both DC and EC are full (open)


    A Pokemon will receive 1 additional MC per battle when both its EC and DC are full at the start of the battle.


    Targeting Limitations in Multi-Battles (open)


    No Attack that can hit multiple targets can strike more than 3 opposing and 2 allied Pokemon at once in any multi-battle format.


    Self-Targeting Attacks Clarification (open)


    A Pokemon may target itself with any attack where such an action is physically possible. Ability descriptions have been edited to account for self-directed attacks. A Self-targeting attack is defined as any attack a Pokemon launches at itself that would ordinarily be used on any other target. An allied attack in doubles is not a self-directed attack.


    Round and Action Codification (open)


    Round:

    A Round is generally composed of two or three actions depending on the battle format. In each Round, players alternate their actions. Rounds end prematurely only in the case where all Pokemon on every side of the field except one are knocked out. Effects that are based on Rounds (Weather, Field Effects) are weaker in Triples+ Battles, while effects that are based on Actions (Magnet Rise, Taunt) are stronger.

    Action:

    An Action is an Attack, Command, or Combination that is executed during a Round. Because of the massive variation in attacks, the actual time to complete a single action is not bounded. If you must have a standard of time, ask yourself if an attack could be executed to completion within 20 seconds. The overwhelming majority of Attacks, Commands, and Combinations comfortably fit in this timeframe. Combinations combine two Attacks into one Action, and cause the second Action to be spent doing nothing.

    What few exceptions usually involve using physical contact attacks by slow Pokemon over great distances. A Pokemon with 35 Spe is unlikely to be able to Brick Bream an opponent 20m away, however a Pokemon with 125 Spe should not have such an issue, unless the attack is very powerful or complicated, like a Focus Punch.


    Consecutive Moves Clarification (open)


    Consecutive Moves do cross over rounds. If the first action this round is the same as the last action in the previous round, the Pokemon will incur the consecutive moves penalty.


    Mid-Battle Evolution Changes (open)


    Mid-Battle Evolution shall no longer be available after a KO Counter is gained, however a Pokemon can still evolve upon initial release in a match.


    Beginner Battle Implementation (open)


    Codifying Beginner Battles:

    A Beginner Battle can be codified with the following ruleset:

    1. Pokemon must be able to evolve
    2. Pokemon with 4 rarity cannot be used.
    3. Rarity Cost of Pokemon on one side of the field cannot exceed # of Pokemon + 3
    4. 1 Rarity is added to the rarity of a 2nd stage Pokemon in a 3 stage line.
    5. A Pokemon with full EC or full DC cannot be used in a Beginner Battle.

    In the battle tower thread, These rules will be added to the Battle Tower OP.


    Minor Rarity Cost Changes (open)


    Kricketot will be moved to 1 Rarity Cost.


    Voting Slate:

    Implementing a Ref Apprenticeship Program (open)


    Implementing a Ref Apprenticeship Program:

    Reffing quality is very important in ASB. With so many members now, it can be difficult to find a willing ref. Between RPs, Tournaments, and up to 3 battles each, reffing becomes exponentially harder unless a new, good quality ref is picked up for at least one out of every 3 new battlers. Therefore in order to streamline the process, an apprenticeship program is outlined below:

    Reffing Levels: Head/Tutor Ref, Registered Ref, Apprentice Ref.

    Head/Tutor Refs: The job of a Head or Tutor Ref is to guide Apprentice refs through an apprenticeship program. There will be additional compensation for Tutor Refs as a function of helping Apprentice Refs.

    Registered Ref: This is any ref that has passed the apprenticeship program. Continuous active, high quality reffings will allow a Registered Ref to apply to become a Tutor Ref. The exact process by which this will be done will be decided at a later date.

    Apprentice Ref: This is a ref going through the apprenticeship program.

    Apprenticeship Program:

    The Apprenticeship program is very simple. It pairs a Tutor Ref with an Apprentice Ref. An Apprentice Ref takes on a battle in the Battle Tower thread, and maintains private message contact with the Tutor Ref.

    Before posting the thread original post and before each round, the Apprentice Ref sends a PM to the Tutor Ref to look over. The Tutor Ref makes notes about post formatting, calculations, and any field effects added in or other circumstances of the match. Once the notes are completed, the Tutor Ref PMs the notes back to the Apprentice Ref with the original reffing. The Apprentice ref makes any necessary adjustments, and then posts the round.

    An Apprentice Ref should make PMs to their tutor ref in the following format:

    Player A vs. Player B (Original Post) for the initial post.
    ex: Deck Knight vs. Flora (Original Post)

    Once the OP is looked over, the match title should be posted:

    Player A vs. Player B. (AR: <Assistant Ref>, TR: <Tutor Ref>)
    ex. Deck Knight vs. Flora (AR: 1337H0FFA, TR: Its_A_Random)

    The same process occurs for each round, using the following format for the PM:

    Player A vs. Player B (Round 1) for the round posting.
    ex: Deck Knight vs. Flora (Round 1)

    The round will be looked at and audited for calculations, effects, etc. and PMed back to the Apprentice Ref. The Tutor Ref will also be looking at things like consistency in effects over rounds, any creative elements that could be added/subtracted, and generally anything else that might be important.

    Implementation: Flora will be in control of the first slate of Tutor Refs. Once she determines who should be considered a Tutor, Registered, and an Apprentice, the Apprenticeship program will start.

    Tutor Rewards: A Tutor shall receive a reward equal to half the RC the match gives to the Apprentice Ref for that match.

    A YES Vote will implement this program immediately

    A NO vote will push off the decision and brainstorm an alternative.


    Rank Cutoffs (open)


    Rank 5 Cutoff:

    HP: Arceus, Cresselia, Musharna, Throh, Pyroak

    Atk: Hitmonlee, Granbull, Weavile, Donphan, Blaziken, Sharpedo, Crawdaunt, Staraptor, Luxray, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina-O, Arceus, Druddigon, Reshiram, Genesect.

    Def: Weezing, Rhydon, Magcargo, Donphan, Dialga, Giratina, Cresselia, Arceus, Zekrom.

    SpA: Kadabra, Magneton, Togekiss, Giratina-O, Shaymin-Sky, Arceus, Zoroark, Zekrom, Genesect, Stratagem.

    SpD: Tentacruel, Mr. Mime, Mantyke, Claydol, Kecleon, Palkia, Giratina, Arceus, Reshiram.

    A YES vote would change the lower cutoff of Rank 5 from 121 to 120, aiding the Pokemon in the list above. Several less-known Pokemon and Middle Stage NFEs benefit from this change.

    A NO vote would keep the lower cutoff of Rank 5 at 121.

    Rank 4 Cutoff:

    Rank 4 Effects:

    HP: Clefable, Slowbro, Slowking, Exeggutor, Gyarados, Umbreon, Quagsire, Wynaut, Miltank, Milotic, Salamence, Torterra, Samurott, Krookodile, Beartic, Bouffalant, Fidgit.

    Atk: Parasect, Graveler, Cloyster, Exeggutor, Hitmontop, Kangakhan, Kingdra, Magmar, Magmortar, Gliscor, Qwilfish, Sneasel, Stantler, Solrock, Anorith, Shelgon, Speed Deoxys, Crustle, Garbodor, Cinccino, Vanilluxe.

    Def: Poliwrath, Magneton, Cubone, Hitmontop, Lickilicky, Koffing, Rhyhorn, Seadra, Kingdra, Tauros, Dragonite, Togekiss, Bonsly, Trash Wormadam, Garchomp, Serperior, Conkeldurr, Gothitelle, Klang, Bouffalant, Genesect, Arghonaut.

    SpA: Golduck, Magnemite, Seadra, Kingdra, Electabuzz, Electvire, Flareon, Articuno, Xatu, Tyranitar, Slaking, Sharpedo, Lunatone, Chimecho, Walrein, Metagross, Speed Deoxys, Luxray, Rotom, Cofragrigus, Gothitelle, Lampent, Cryogonal, Mienshao, Pyroak.

    SpD: Dewgong, Lickilicky, Kingdra, Jynx, Magmortar, Lapras, Vaporeon, Jolteon, Espeon, Glaceon, Porygon2, Heracross, Trash Wormadam, Serperior, Musharna, Vanilluxe, Beheeyem, Bouffalant, Mandibuzz, Genesect.

    A YES vote would change the lower cutoff of Rank 5 from 96 to 95, aiding the Pokemon in the list above. Many Lesser-Known Pokemon, Middle evolutions, Eeveelutions, and even a few first of three stages benefit from this change.

    A NO vote would keep the lower cutoff of Rank 5 at 96.


    Ballot:

    Reffing Apprenticeship Program:

    YES
    NO

    Stat Cutoffs:

    Rank 5:

    YES
    NO

    Rank 4:

    YES
    NO
  2. Athenodoros

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    Reffing Apprenticeship Program:

    YES

    NO

    Stat Cutoffs:

    Rank 5:

    YES
    NO

    Rank 4:

    YES
    NO
  3. Kaxtar

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    Reffing Apprenticeship Program:

    YES
    NO

    Stat Cutoffs:

    Rank 5:

    YES
    NO

    Rank 4:

    YES
    NO
  4. Tortferngatr

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    Reffing Apprenticeship Program:

    YES
    NO

    Stat Cutoffs:

    Rank 5:

    YES
    NO

    Rank 4:

    YES
    NO


    Flavorwise I feel it makes sense for the majority of the mons affected by both changes to get those stats.


    I also personally support an EC/Rarity raise for the pseudo-legends (other than possibly Hydreigon) and Kingdra if the 95 measure passes. But that is something to look into later, and only if it does pass.
  5. Venser

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    Reffing Apprenticeship Program:

    YES
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    Stat Cutoffs:

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    YES
    NO

    Rank 4:

    YES
    NO
  6. DarkSlay

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    Reffing Apprenticeship Program:

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    YES

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    YES
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  7. little gk

    little gk <Birkal> I will quit everything I do on smogon
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    Reffing Apprenticeship Program:

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    YES
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    as much as i would love an even better kingdra...

    and sorry for not being able to post this week, things were interesting
  8. Acklow

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    Reffing Apprenticeship Program:

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    YES
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    I'm sure everyone will say yes to the Apprenticeship Program. =)
  9. Flora

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  10. smashlloyd20

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    Reffing Apprenticeship Program:

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    YES
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  12. Seven Deadly Sins

    Seven Deadly Sins ~hallelujah~
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    Reffing Apprenticeship Program:

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    YES
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    As the author of the next SotG, I'm hereby declaring voting over with the following results:

    Reffing Apprenticeship Program:

    YES - 10
    NO - 1

    Stat Cutoffs:

    Rank 5:

    YES - 5
    NO - 6

    Rank 4:

    YES - 4
    NO - 7

    Expect SotG up within the next couple days.
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