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Discussion in 'BW UU' started by kokoloko, Jul 8, 2012.

  1. Ernesto

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    In addition to what RT. said, something that could be worth a read is kokoloko's Underused 101: Teambuilding guide, which gives you some understanding to what the biggest threats are so that you know what to take into account when teambuilding. Even though it's not that thorough, it'll surely help you understand the metagame.
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    hi! i'm searching for a pokemon that can Counter / Check both Nasty Plot Cofagrigus and Choice Band Snorlax. there is something that can? thanks
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    These are Pokemon that hit very hard from completely different sides of the spectrum with each of them having perfect coverage, so you will find this endeavor challenging. The closest you can get to a full counter for both of these will be CB Escavalier - it can be EV'd to outspeed Snorlax and ohkos with Megahorn, and 2hkos Cofagrigrus with Iron Head, letting you beat it. Watch out for the rare Fire Punch from Snorlax and you should be fine.
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    Is there anywhere I can get some more advanced suggestions past the UU Teambuilding 101 posted in the last Smog? Looking for something to take my team to the next level.
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    Better suggestions only really come from addressing individual teams, every team is different. If you want to take your team to the next level, the Rate My Team forum can help. Make sure to be detailed in description so the raters can give you top notch advice. Hope this helps!
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    The UU channel on IRC, #GenVUU may also provide you with some assistance, as many high-calibre UU players gather there often and can offer suggestions.
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    Two questions, both completely unrelated to each other.

    Firstly, what are some good partners for ParaFlinch Togekiss? His analysis says Rhyperior, but I feel like my current Rhyperior/Togekiss/Roserade core has too much of an Ice weakness.

    Secondly, is Choice Scarf Azelf with U-turn at all viable?
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    Our bet is on Swampert. It covers Togekiss's weaknesses and can take non-STAB Ice Beams. Also, it enjoys the paralysis Togekiss spreads.

    We think Scarf-Azelf is a bit weak and Explosion is not as strong as it used to be. Raikou is just as fast and has STAB Volt Switch up to boot so that would be our first choice.
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    Try using Qwilfish over Roserade. It can still supply Spikes, while also providing a resistance to Heracross and Ice-type moves.

    Not at all. Mienshao does U-Turn and Choice Scarf better thanks to its Fighting-type STAB and access to Regenerator.
  10. PTJon7

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    I guess this is the right place to ask this(?) but what exactly is the UU Primier League? It doesn't really say anything in the player signups. I assume it isn't just a regular tournament, or I wouldn't be asking.
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    Its a team tournament. Managers will draft players much like a sports team, then the teams will face off. Players choose a battle spot (BW2 1-3, DPP 1-2, or ADV), and face the player in that spot. Look at the Smogon Premier League for the original idea.
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    Oh ok cool. Thanks
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    Is a Hail Team advisible in UU? It's pretty rare, if not never used...

    Just wondering since I saw a Abomasnow at a UU match and I thought:

    "Mmm... Interesting o-o'"
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    Hail is totally viable in UU, why wouldn't it be? Hail Stall can be extremely hard to beat in good hands, and Hail Offense enjoys the benefit of Blizzard and Hail damage.

    But keep in mind that having Hail isn't an excuse to have a lot of Ice types, I see that mistake a lot.
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    Mmm... Thanks for the heads up. Will try to see if I can get up a team with Hail...
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    Hail seems quite a good option. Couldn't figure out how to stop a sub Walrein with my team!
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    Is it frowned upon if you use a scarfer on a team with offensive TR cofagrigus?
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    Definitely not, but it's a good idea to have 1-2 slow hard hitting Pokemon to take advantage of Trick Room while it's up. Escavalier, Druddigon, and Snorlax are all fine choices.
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    OTR Cofa is used a lot like Reuniclus in OU: come in on something that can be set up on, use TR, then proceed to sweep. It is very useful, but doesn't mean the whole team is about TR. Also, RT. brings up a good point. I enjoy running Band Druddi as a partner because it is bulky and can take advantage of TR extremely well. Scarfers are necessities on almost all teams to deal with threats out of hand, any are run by even full TR teams as a backup in case the plan goes wrong. Definitely use a Scarfer if you want.
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    Is there anything major that Choice Scarf Flygon out speeds that a Choice Band variant can't? Assuming they both have the same nature (Jolly/Adamant).

    Thanks a lot.
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    To be frank: every scarfer under base 100 speed as well as any non-scarfed Pokemon above 100 base speed.

    If you want to have specific answers here we go. Although the Pokemon pointed out should be really bloody obvious.

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    Assuming you have a Jolly Choice Band Flygon, you will fail to outspeed the following Pokemon 100% of the time. (Note that "any set" = any competitively viable set in the current metagame)

    Ambipom - any set

    Azelf - any set

    Chandelure - Scarf

    Cobalion - any offensive set

    Crobat - any set

    Darmanitan - Scarf

    Empoleon - Agility

    Flygon - Scarf (duh)

    Froslass - any set

    Heracross - Scarf

    Honchkrow - Scarf

    Kingdra - after one DD

    Krookodile - Scarf

    Meloetta - Scarf

    Mew - any set (unless it has used rock polish)

    Mienshao - Life Orb / Choice Band

    Mismagius - any set

    Nidoking - Scarf

    Porygon-Z - Scarf

    Raikou - SubCM / Specs

    Rotom-H - Scarf

    Scrafty - after on DD

    Sharpedo - if still unboosted (it can protect once on you to guarantee a +1, making it a 50/50 call for a double protect)

    Shaymin - any offensive set

    Togekiss - Scarf

    Tornadus - any set

    Victini - any set except Bulky Trick Room

    Virizion - any offensive set

    Weavile - kinda pointless with this one though

    Yanmega - see Sharpedo

    Zapdos - see Shaymin

    Zoroark - any set

    Venomoth - after one Quiver Dance

    Aerodactyl - any set

    Archeops - any set

    Cinccino - any set

    Durant - any set

    Other RU pokes were excluded in this list because of extremely low viability in the UU metagame


    It should be noted that Choice Band Flygon and Choice Scarf Flygon serve different purposes. Thus, you should consider how your Flygon should contribute to your team before deciding on a set.

    Scarfed Flygon is a good revenge killer and a good early game scout because of its nice speed tier, as there are many dangerous Pokemon in the tier ranging from 80 to 95 base speed, and most of them are viable scarfers. It serves as a generally good check to fast, but somewhat frail offensive pokemon. In a lategame scenario (aka if every one of the opponent's Pokemon is killed by a single Outrage), the only Pokemon that can reliably revenge kill a full HP Scarf Flygon are Scarf Reckless Mienshao, Scarf Raikou / Virizion with HP Ice, Weavile and Piloswine.

    Banded Flygon is very hard to switch into, especially without a Steel-type (aka Bronzong). As such, it is a very potent wallbreaker because there are very few things in UU that like eating a banded STAB Outrage or EQ. It can be much easier revenge killed though.

    It should be noted that (on the ladder) most Flygons are scarfed, because the scarf set fits more purposes, so things like banded Flygon are sometimes (or often) not considered by a lot of players, which gives it somewhat of a suprise factor.
  22. kokoloko

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    Mienshao, Mismagius, Raikou, Azelf, +1 Scarfty, +1 Kingdra, +1 Venomoth, Scarf Darmanitan, Scarf Heracross, Scarf Krookodile...

    You shouldn't really be comparing the two sets though. They serve completely different roles on a team, so the one you use shouldn't depend on what the other fails to do, but rather on what your team needs. If you're looking for a revenge killer and Flygon's typing works with your team, you probably want to use Scarf on it. If you're simply looking to smash through your opponent's team using boosted Earthquakes and Outrages, then you want a CB variant.

    So you see, you're kinda asking the wrong question here...
  23. jmorris

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    My bad guys, thanks for the answers anyway. I've got a Scarfed Flygon on one of my teams, I was just wondering If I could swap its item and use a different scarfer in its place.
  24. moonbase

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    What is an offensive core that has scarfed mienshao?
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    A good partner for Mienshao would be CB Snorlax, as it can trap and kill a lot of the things that wall Mienshao (ghosts and psychics) with Pursuit. Snorlax is also just an all around awesome member to most teams.

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