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Ask a simple question, get a simple answer - VGC edition

Discussion in 'VGC' started by makiri, Apr 19, 2010.

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  1. Team Rocket Elite

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    One of the problems with giving away details regarding other people's teams in a tournament is people like talking about their battles. The more interesting the opponent's strategy, the more they want to talk about the experience with their friends or even show them a replay of the battle. I don't think this is something that should really be stopped since it makes the events less enjoyable and I don't think you could get people to stop anyways.
  2. Misdreavus

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    What I don't like is when someone finds out who their friend is playing in the next round (especially in top cuts) and warns them not to be caught off guard by something particular on that person's team, such as a Choice Scarf or unusual move, or otherwise shares info they know from seeing that person play or hearing about their team and offers advice (sometimes I'd even call it "coaching") to give their friend an [unfair] advantage. This happens all the time in TCG. It can really ruin surprise factors or other things that a player should have to play in the dark about until they can figure it out for themselves.
  3. Firestorm

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    If you lose because your opponent had information on your team, either you're not using a very good team or you're not a very good player. That's really the cold hard truth about this game.
  4. Heretic

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    Even if you do want to slip something in under the radar and surprise someone you can't rely on it for the win. You still need to have a solid foundation for your team based on synergy and Pokés that will get the job done.

    The best example I can think of without thinking to hard (lol) is a Special Tyranitar. Not many people see a Flamethrower or Ice Beam headed their way, but even if they did it's still going to accomplish what you wanted it to because it's such a solid option.

    I'm by no means ub3r l33t, however. If anyone can correct me, please do. I wouldn't want to be spreading bad advice, lol.
  5. Lucifers Pride

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    Wolfey lost to Ray at Worlds due to him directly counterteaming his Cofagrigus. I know this is an extreme, but there will always be a situation where you just cannot win due to that.
  6. bluejay8295

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    How many offensive and defensive pokemon should you have on a team? Do you guys believe that you should more offensive or defensive on a Goodstuff team? And what do you guys think of Hydreigon, is he worth putting on a team? Even though he can die fast
  7. PkmRngrBrad

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    http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/hydreigon/vgc2012

    There is the best write up for him and if you click over to the OU tab there are a few more setups to consider.
    Every pokemon has its own page with write ups that provide not only stats, but preferred/common set ups, as well as the reasoning behind it, and what to look out for.

    You say he can die fast? Is there a certain move/pokemon that you've seen be extremely effective against him? There are a wide variety of options to consider, especailly how you EV train him, and what item you give him to hold.

    Also, what kind of team are you considering him for? Goodstuff, trickroom, other?
    All this information can really help you narrow down if he is right for your needs, and let the good people of the forum give you the most accurate advice!
  8. Owlfred

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    This is doubles. Every pokemon dies fast.
  9. Blaze123

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    Does someone have a azelf they want to trade?

    And someone that has a DW cottonee.
  10. J-Leo-L

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    I'm a bit late to this, but I think I can chime in-I've toyed around with Cinccino in the GBU. From my experience, a choice band set seems to work best. As you said, Cinccino is frail, so having it hold a choice band coupled with max speed (in ideal conditions) allows it to grab a KO and hopefully evade damage.

    Since Cinccino isn't encountered very frequently, I think people have a tendency to underestimate it, or just don't know how it functions. I've lost count of the number of KOs I've gotten by using Bullet Seed on unsuspecting Tyranitar, Politoed, Gastrodon, and Rotom-W. It also can outspeed and hit Latios with Tailslap, which is a plus.

    But like you mentioned, Cinccino cannot do anything against steels, and anything stronger than a light breeze threatens to KO it. Personally, I prefer Pokemon on the bulkier side, so I'm kind of wary of using Cinccino. I think, though, that overall, it can be usable. You just need to be very careful. As a rule of thumb, I only chose it if I know my opponent is going to chose something it can get a OHKO on. Having something to switch into Cinccino's place to sponge heavy attacks and reset the choice band is also immensely helpful.

    All that being said, I don't think Cinccino's DW ability is legal for VGC 2012, and the GBU metagame isn't necessarily representative of VGC. I don't know what 2013 will be like, so it's anyone’s guess as to how Cinccino will fit in.
  11. Dragonking700

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    In VGC, walls like Blissey generally don't do very well due to the time limit. Every team has to be fairly offensive in this metagame because of that. However, pokemon like Cresselia and Gastrodon are still very popular.

    Hydreigon isn't very popular because it's slower than Latios and has lower Sp Atk.
  12. Project_Mars

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    That prompted me to look for the rules, and:
    So it seems not, but this does beg the question: Does this mean that DW Unova pokemon are legal, even if they can only be found thanks to owning B/W2? I can only see this potentially helping 3 pokemon though (Emolga gets Motor Drive ans can absorb electric hits, Alomomola gets Regenerator, increasing its survivability, and Caracosta gets Swift Swim, which makes it a physically bulky, slower kabutops) so it's not a huge deal.

    Good Trade off for a lack of Regenerator Amoongus. (Do Not Want)
  13. honchkro13

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    http://nuggetbridge.com/news/vgc-12-worlds-to-restrict-black-2-white-2-additions/

    This article basically says that any BW2 additions are banned from VGC 2012
  14. 13Random37

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    Does someone know for sure, if those hidden abilities are allowed at worlds, that were released after the qualifiers?

    On the page it says, everything is allowed, if you can get it legally in BW1, but I'm not sure because I never saw that particular pokemon with the ability, even though I think it has a lot of potential.
  15. Smasher89

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    Blissey worked kinda nice for me on the 2010(except they had no events in sweden and i just played on the skarmbliss server (? the metagame with all gen 4 pokemon except events). However her main threat was crits and freeze(inkl crit explosions), so relying too much on blissey is agreeable to not work :/, even though she tanks kyogre like a boss with a calm mind set up or 2.
  16. Solace

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    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3460642 is where you can find Pokemon for trade.

    If it's released and legal in BW1 by the time Worlds comes around, it'll be legal in the tournament.
  17. R Inanimate

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    2010 also didn't have an in-game time limit. While Blissey was fine in the regionals, there did end up being a number of stories where both teams having Blissey caused some trouble when they had 45 minutes to complete a best of 3 set in the Nationals, and probably the Worlds. Blissey vs Blissey is very time consuming, and before you know it, you'll find that you've already blown half your allotted 45 minutes time on the first match.

    Blissey might make a return if the timer is shifted up to 20 minutes, but I'd say that 15 minutes is just barely too short for it to be worthwhile.
  18. Redtype

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    Is it true that in BW2, a player who disconnects gets a temporary ban from Random matchups? How many DCs does one actually need to make in order to be banned?
  19. bluejay8295

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    Are you allowed to have Soul Dew item on Latios/Latias in VGC?
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    You can't use it in this season since it's only obtainable in BW2, and I assume it will be explicitly banned next year since it always has been in the past, even in 2010.
  21. Thadenvy

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    I have trouble with my team. So far, I have Latios, Metagross, and GArchomp. On the GBU, as a filler, I'm using my old Lucario to help me learn battle skills. However, I keep getting crushed, but it's usually because of four and only four reasons: Fake Out, Chandelure, rain teams and cresselia. Is there any way to knock out four birds with three stones? Also, my Latios has Ice Beam, Draco Meteor, Protect, and Psychic. I'm thinking about getting energy ball to end those pesky water types, but that seems risky to me. Also, does anyone know any good counters for Cresselia?
  22. Drifblim

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    This question has many answers, I'll try to give a good one. Chandelure and Cress both do not like Tyranitar, who also deals with Rain to an extent by negating their boost and getting his own. Metagross doesn't mind Sandstorm, Garchomp loves it for miss hax, and Latios doesn't mind the damage too much. Unfortunately, Tyranitar doesn't really help against Fake Out. The solution to that kind of depends what Fake Out users bother you, and what exactly they even do to you.
  23. Thadenvy

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    Well, fake out usually isn't a problem. I anticipate that more than two-thirds of the time, the fake out users go for my Latios and then set up with their other Pokemon, which is usually either a Zapdos or a Cress. Tyranitar looks like an excellent counter to it, but the fake out users are usually fighting types in my case, but I think I can manage. I also struggle with Trick Room, is there any way-- never mind. I anticipate on getting a Thundurus soon, if all goes well. He can taunt/encore the opponents to death. Is there anything else to note?

    Would a Latios be a good partner, considering his capability to take out fighting types, or would Garchomp be a better one, because he can stay in longer?
  24. Golden Piloswine

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    Ok simple question. I have a Zapdos on a Trick Room team. It has HP Ice, Heat Wave, and Protect. Should I give it Discharge, or Thunderbolt? Then should I give it Electric Gem or Sitrus Berry?
  25. goodluck03

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    If you think on zapdos as your special sweeper I go for t-bolt and electric gem
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