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Average Movesets and Moves Used in the NU Metagame in October and November

Discussion in 'Stark Mountain' started by X-Act, Dec 9, 2009.

  1. X-Act

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    Stats for the NU metagame are almost unheard of, but Doug has gently provided them for the previous two months, and I thought that it wouldn't be a bad idea to provide the average movesets and moves used in this metagame as well. :) In fact, now that I think about it, this is the first time that stats for NU are being provided at all.

    So, here they are, without further ado!

    Common Moves Used in October:
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    Earthquake 26.3%
    Substitute 11.41%
    Stealth Rock 11.38%
    Return 11.26%
    Stone Edge 10.42%
    Thunderbolt 8.84%
    Explosion 8.03%
    Ice Beam 7.06%
    Close Combat 7.0%
    Surf 6.75%
    Ice Punch 6.6%
    Waterfall 6.56%
    Toxic 6.16%
    Shadow Ball 6.1%
    U-turn 6.09%
    Psychic 6.01%
    Crunch 5.66%
    Swords Dance 5.52%
    Taunt 5.41%
    Sucker Punch 5.13%
    HP-Grass 5.1%
    Pursuit 5.04%
    Rest 4.82%
    Recover 4.76%
    Energy Ball 4.65%
    Brick Break 4.42%
    Flamethrower 4.41%
    Fire Punch 4.4%
    Protect 4.33%
    Encore 3.81%
    Thunder Wave 3.71%
    Fake Out 3.53%
    Sleep Talk 3.49%
    Wish 3.42%
    HP-Ground 3.39%
    Fire Blast 3.34%
    X-Scissor 3.33%
    Zen Headbutt 3.2%
    Roost 3.14%
    Trick 3.11%
    Rapid Spin 3.0%
    Thunderpunch 3.0%
    Head Smash 2.92%
    Seismic Toss 2.87%
    Sleep Powder 2.87%
    Nasty Plot 2.82%
    Will-o-wisp 2.7%
    Focus Blast 2.63%
    Sludge Bomb 2.61%
    HP-Ice 2.53%
    Rock Polish 2.46%
    Quick Attack 2.45%
    Pain Split 2.43%
    Trick Room 2.41%
    Poison Jab 2.41%
    Slack Off 2.35%
    Leaf Blade 2.32%
    Baton Pass 2.32%
    Yawn 2.17%
    Calm Mind 2.14%
    Double-edge 2.13%
    Aqua Jet 2.08%
    Seed Bomb 2.04%
    Toxic Spikes 2.04%
    Hypnosis 1.92%
    Earth Power 1.86%
    Leech Seed 1.86%
    Night Slash 1.86%
    Bullet Punch 1.82%
    Switcheroo 1.75%
    Roar 1.71%
    Belly Drum 1.64%
    Spikes 1.62%
    Dragon Dance 1.58%
    Knock Off 1.55%
    Leaf Storm 1.54%
    Super Fang 1.54%
    Focus Punch 1.53%
    Overheat 1.45%
    Air Slash 1.43%
    Rock Slide 1.39%
    HP-Fighting 1.38%
    Grass Knot 1.36%
    Hi Jump Kick 1.29%
    Payback 1.25%
    Agility 1.23%
    Dark Pulse 1.21%
    Signal Beam 1.2%
    Synthesis 1.16%
    Rain Dance 1.16%
    Confuse Ray 1.16%
    Charge Beam 1.14%
    Bug Buzz 1.12%
    Stun Spore 1.12%
    Megahorn 1.1%
    Psycho Cut 1.09%
    Punishment 1.07%
    Heal Bell 1.05%
    Iron Head 1.01%
    Destiny Bond 1.01%
    Lava Plume 0.99%
    Mach Punch 0.97%
    Brave Bird 0.96%
    Flare Blitz 0.94%
    HP-Electric 0.94%
    Ice Shard 0.94%
    Shadow Claw 0.89%
    Tri Attack 0.88%
    Superpower 0.86%
    Power Gem 0.85%
    Eruption 0.82%
    Hammer Arm 0.79%
    Stockpile 0.77%
    Drain Punch 0.77%
    Bulk Up 0.75%
    Cross Chop 0.7%
    Curse 0.7%
    Aqua Tail 0.68%
    Reflect 0.68%
    Blizzard 0.68%
    Hydro Pump 0.66%
    Night Shade 0.66%
    Ice Fang 0.66%
    Brine 0.61%
    Facade 0.61%
    Discharge 0.59%
    Dragon Claw 0.59%
    Shadow Sneak 0.57%
    Aerial Ace 0.53%
    Power Whip 0.5%
    Body Slam 0.48%
    Sunny Day 0.46%
    Amnesia 0.44%
    Perish Song 0.44%
    Heat Wave 0.42%
    Magnet Rise 0.42%
    Extremespeed 0.39%
    Water Pulse 0.38%
    Metal Burst 0.37%
    Attract 0.37%
    Thunder 0.31%
    Gunk Shot 0.31%
    Drill Peck 0.31%
    HP-Fire 0.29%
    Crabhammer 0.29%
    Gravity 0.29%
    HP-Rock 0.29%
    Swift 0.27%
    Magic Coat 0.24%
    Outrage 0.24%
    Memento 0.24%
    Giga Drain 0.22%
    Shadow Punch 0.22%
    Water Spout 0.22%
    Iron Defense 0.22%
    Hail 0.2%
    Psycho Shift 0.2%
    Wood Hammer 0.2%
    Endeavor 0.2%
    Aqua Ring 0.2%
    Bonemerang 0.2%
    Dynamicpunch 0.2%
    Light Screen 0.18%
    Double Kick 0.18%
    Aromatherapy 0.18%
    Sweet Kiss 0.18%
    Last Resort 0.17%
    Flail 0.15%
    Swagger 0.13%
    Hyper Voice 0.13%
    Role Play 0.13%
    Rock Blast 0.11%
    Endure 0.11%
    Iron Tail 0.11%
    Flash Cannon 0.11%
    Psych Up 0.11%
    Pluck 0.09%
    Tailwind 0.09%
    Spider Web 0.09%
    Solarbeam 0.09%
    Avalanche 0.09%
    Zap Cannon 0.09%
    Bug Bite 0.07%
    Astonish 0.07%
    Screech 0.07%
    Lovely Kiss 0.07%
    Giga Impact 0.07%
    Selfdestruct 0.07%
    Moonlight 0.07%
    Counter 0.07%
    Bite 0.04%
    Vacuum Wave 0.04%
    HP-Flying 0.04%
    Spore 0.04%
    Defend Order 0.04%
    Attack Order 0.04%
    Tail Glow 0.04%
    Whirlwind 0.04%
    Torment 0.04%
    Volt Tackle 0.04%
    Weather Ball 0.04%
    Frustration 0.04%
    Slash 0.04%
    Rock Smash 0.02%
    Ominous Wind 0.02%
    Gust 0.02%
    Cotton Spore 0.02%
    Snatch 0.02%
    Gyro Ball 0.02%
    Captivate 0.02%
    Double Team 0.02%
    Mirror Coat 0.02%
    HP-Psychic 0.02%
    Assist 0.02%
    Ancientpower 0.02%
    Glare 0.02%
    Fire Fang 0.02%
    Faint Attack 0.02%
    Silver Wind 0.02%
    Bounce 0.02%
    Cut 0.02%
    Bide 0.02%
    Mirror Move 0.02%
    Mimic 0.02%
    Shock Wave 0.02%
    All Others <0.01%
    Common Moves Used in November:
    Code:
    Earthquake 21.91%
    Stealth Rock 12.0%
    Return 11.6%
    Stone Edge 11.49%
    Ice Beam 9.48%
    Thunderbolt 9.22%
    Substitute 8.94%
    Waterfall 7.88%
    Swords Dance 7.3%
    HP-Grass 7.24%
    Explosion 6.85%
    Fire Blast 6.23%
    Surf 6.23%
    Taunt 6.17%
    Ice Punch 6.14%
    Toxic 6.05%
    U-turn 6.02%
    Sucker Punch 5.99%
    Crunch 5.95%
    Leaf Blade 5.79%
    Rapid Spin 5.71%
    Protect 5.41%
    Psychic 5.25%
    Shadow Ball 4.92%
    Rest 4.9%
    Brick Break 4.59%
    Close Combat 4.52%
    X-Scissor 4.37%
    Pursuit 4.32%
    Thunder Wave 4.25%
    Dragon Dance 3.82%
    Baton Pass 3.8%
    Recover 3.66%
    Nasty Plot 3.54%
    Energy Ball 3.48%
    Fake Out 3.48%
    Zen Headbutt 3.41%
    Sludge Bomb 3.3%
    Flamethrower 3.29%
    Quick Attack 3.22%
    Roost 3.16%
    Encore 3.14%
    Wish 3.08%
    HP-Ground 3.07%
    Will-o-wisp 3.01%
    Sleep Talk 2.88%
    Earth Power 2.87%
    Focus Blast 2.71%
    Seismic Toss 2.58%
    HP-Ice 2.58%
    Thunderpunch 2.57%
    Pain Split 2.52%
    Sleep Powder 2.48%
    Focus Punch 2.41%
    Slack Off 2.3%
    Roar 2.29%
    Poison Jab 2.25%
    Facade 2.0%
    Toxic Spikes 1.99%
    Hypnosis 1.9%
    Cross Chop 1.83%
    Air Slash 1.75%
    Spikes 1.71%
    Calm Mind 1.62%
    Switcheroo 1.62%
    Fire Punch 1.56%
    Leech Seed 1.54%
    Synthesis 1.54%
    Flare Blitz 1.52%
    Aqua Jet 1.51%
    Agility 1.41%
    Seed Bomb 1.4%
    Reflect 1.39%
    Night Slash 1.37%
    Heal Bell 1.37%
    Double-edge 1.34%
    Shadow Sneak 1.32%
    Rock Polish 1.28%
    Hydro Pump 1.28%
    Dark Pulse 1.25%
    Bullet Punch 1.22%
    Ice Shard 1.22%
    Stun Spore 1.2%
    Bulk Up 1.2%
    Rain Dance 1.18%
    Overheat 1.17%
    Signal Beam 1.17%
    Lava Plume 1.14%
    Frustration 1.12%
    Sunny Day 1.1%
    Trick 1.07%
    Psycho Cut 1.07%
    Trick Room 1.06%
    Charge Beam 1.04%
    Destiny Bond 1.01%
    Super Fang 1.01%
    Payback 1.01%
    Bug Buzz 0.99%
    Brave Bird 0.96%
    Hammer Arm 0.94%
    HP-Fighting 0.93%
    Knock Off 0.93%
    Hi Jump Kick 0.88%
    Dragon Claw 0.88%
    Head Smash 0.88%
    Mach Punch 0.86%
    Solarbeam 0.85%
    Superpower 0.82%
    Stockpile 0.82%
    Curse 0.81%
    Outrage 0.78%
    Ice Fang 0.73%
    Shadow Claw 0.72%
    Megahorn 0.72%
    Leaf Storm 0.72%
    Eruption 0.7%
    Extremespeed 0.7%
    Light Screen 0.69%
    Amnesia 0.64%
    Rock Blast 0.62%
    Power Gem 0.61%
    Counter 0.6%
    Punishment 0.58%
    Grass Knot 0.56%
    Rock Slide 0.55%
    Drain Punch 0.55%
    Discharge 0.53%
    Confuse Ray 0.53%
    Water Spout 0.5%
    HP-Rock 0.5%
    HP-Fire 0.47%
    Weather Ball 0.44%
    Blizzard 0.44%
    Wood Hammer 0.44%
    Yawn 0.44%
    Bite 0.42%
    Aerial Ace 0.41%
    Extrasensory 0.37%
    Belly Drum 0.34%
    Giga Drain 0.34%
    Crabhammer 0.32%
    Brine 0.32%
    Water Pulse 0.28%
    Aromatherapy 0.27%
    Memento 0.27%
    Swift 0.26%
    Aqua Tail 0.26%
    Power Whip 0.23%
    Bounce 0.23%
    HP-Electric 0.23%
    Thunder 0.21%
    Iron Defense 0.21%
    Tri Attack 0.21%
    Flail 0.2%
    Gyro Ball 0.2%
    Mirror Coat 0.18%
    Heat Wave 0.18%
    Attack Order 0.18%
    Magic Coat 0.18%
    Selfdestruct 0.18%
    Night Shade 0.17%
    Glare 0.15%
    Spark 0.15%
    Bonemerang 0.14%
    Sweet Kiss 0.14%
    Body Slam 0.14%
    Double Kick 0.14%
    Magnet Rise 0.13%
    Whirlwind 0.12%
    Spore 0.12%
    Drill Peck 0.12%
    Lovely Kiss 0.11%
    Silver Wind 0.11%
    Hyper Voice 0.09%
    Metal Burst 0.09%
    Perish Song 0.09%
    Attract 0.09%
    HP-Flying 0.09%
    Haze 0.09%
    Endure 0.09%
    Flash Cannon 0.08%
    Dynamicpunch 0.08%
    Draco Meteor 0.08%
    Dragon Pulse 0.08%
    Swagger 0.06%
    Fire Fang 0.06%
    Moonlight 0.06%
    Air Cutter 0.06%
    Peck 0.06%
    HP-Dark 0.06%
    Bug Bite 0.05%
    Iron Head 0.05%
    Bide 0.05%
    HP-Water 0.03%
    Aqua Ring 0.03%
    Defend Order 0.03%
    Secret Power 0.03%
    Low Kick 0.03%
    Assurance 0.03%
    Confusion 0.03%
    Avalanche 0.03%
    Rock Smash 0.03%
    Sandstorm 0.03%
    Gravity 0.02%
    Vacuum Wave 0.02%
    Astonish 0.02%
    Headbutt 0.02%
    Screech 0.02%
    Icy Wind 0.02%
    Ancientpower 0.02%
    Charm 0.02%
    HP-Bug 0.02%
    Supersonic 0.02%
    Tailwind 0.02%
    Sing 0.02%
    Razor Leaf 0.02%
    Giga Impact 0.02%
    Steel Wing 0.02%
    All Others <0.01%
    Common Movesets used in October: -CLICK HERE-

    Common Movesets used in November: -CLICK HERE-
  2. pokepwn7

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    God EQ is the top move even in NU. Also thanks for the list X-Act**!
  3. SHUCKLE MAN

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    I'm not surprised. Earthquake is the sort of move that'll be dominant in most metagames, unless someone decides to make a mono-Grass metagame or something.

    It's quite unusual that it's Thunder in Ubers to be honest, although I do see why it's so.

    And I love how Leaf Blade is on 5.79% in November! Hello Leafeon! :)
  4. Purple Wobbuffet

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    Return at #4 in October and #3 in November? What could have done this? I just can't figure it out!
  5. Ulysses

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    Well, when you've got as shallow a movepool as most of these NU Pokemon do, you have to use something.
  6. blizzcano320

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    While I don't play NU, this is still interesting.
    I think it is funny how heal order is the listed in the all others category, but it is understandable when roost if much better.
    GO LEAFEON.
    I also saw Self-Destruct on the list. Who in NU has Self-Destruct, but not Explosion?
    A few random things like HP-Bug don't make sense to me, but, as I said, I don't play NU so I don't know what HP-Bug would counter or what would use it.
    Good job X-Act.
  7. TerrickTerran

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    Wailord has SelfDestruct but not Explosion.
  8. SlowbroKing

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    substitute fell a fair bit :S (11.41% to 8.94%)
  9. Mattman324

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    HP Grass is most used out of all the Hidden Powers? Well hi thar, Entei! Good to see you're relivant in this metagame!
  10. Lou Cypher

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    I can see it working as a bulky grass counter of sorts...and theres stuff like Exeggutor, Shiftry and Cacturne around here 4x weak to it.
  11. X-Act

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    Code:
    2. TAUROS (Usages: 229)
     
    Average EVs: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Def, 4 SpA, 244 Spe
    Average Nature Boosts/Reductions: +1.3% Atk, -10.0% SpA, +8.7% Spe
    Most Common Item: Life Orb
     
    Typical moveset:
    - Earthquake
    - Stone Edge
    [B]- Return[/B]
    - Zen Headbutt
    That's why Return is so badass in NU.
  12. twash

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    Leafeon is #1 and commonly carries Return for solid coverage. And Kangaskhan, who ranked #13. Return is great, especially if you run Scrappy (I ran Wish / Protect / Return / Roar on my specially defensive Kangaskhan). Kangaskhan is a pretty cool counter to Haunter.

    Anyway, thanks a lot for this X-Act. I enjoy NU immensely and it's nice for it to get stats which are incredibly useful when we previously did not have any.

    edité: blegh
  13. blasphemy1

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    Most fire types, not just Entei, will run HP Grass, as well as various other pokemon. Charizard, Magmortar, and even Nidoqueen and various water types will run it to combat all the ground/water types(specifically Quagsire, who has water absorb) as well as Relicanth.
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    Earthquake is the most used move in NU, because there are a lot of threatening Fire-Types (Entei, Magmortar), and Poision-types (Skuntank, Nidoqueen).

    Bear in mind, the size of the NU meta is... small... to say the least.
  15. Lezowski

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    What i meant to say in a nice way was that Haunter does not learn the move Focus Blast. I thought I would be kind and bring that to your attention. Thank you for your time and effort in reading this post.
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    For those who don't realize what Lezowski means, Haunter doesn't get Focus Blast. Only HP Fighting.

    But Return is great on anything in NU, as Steel types are uncommon. Thanks for the stats, X-Act. This are really nice to know.
  17. X-Act

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    And by the way, not all NU Pokemon have a shallow movepool. I daresay that most don't. :(
  18. VoiceOfReason

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    Probably worth me coming out of hiding for this.


    1) It's fantastic that NU is FINALLY getting some recognition from Smogon. It's a massive victory for the NU'ers who have been playing it since the start, and we are very grateful to Doug for providing a server and statistics.

    2) It's worth noting that it's not the first time NU stats have been provided. NU Usage stats for August from the NU Metagame Server (using the tier as per Smogon) were into the thousands of usages for individual Pokemon, as opposed to hundreds.

    3) If anybody is interested in the bigger stat base from August, or information about NU in general, PM me or ask any Smogon NU player about 'Project NU'.

    4) Have a read through the Introduction to NU article in Smog #4, and watch out for the upcoming update to the metagame in Smog #6!


    Thank you for this thread.
  19. SHUCKLE MAN

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    ^Also, the NU thread has a lot of the stats posted in there, as well as quite a lot of discussion.

    Hopefully, if UU gets 'balanced' in the near future people will feel ready to start with NU.
  20. X-Act

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    It's good to see this thread getting so much attention. It shows that NU has got a nice little fanbase already.
  21. Ulysses

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    Hidden Power Grass is run because without it, Entei and Flareon wouldn't be able to touch Relicanth or any Water types.

    Scrappy Kangaskhan is pretty cool.
  22. Sceats

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    Entei and flareon are barely used anymore. Hp grass's main users are magmortar, charizard and manectric.

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