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B&W Research Thread

Discussion in 'BW Competitive Discussion' started by ΩDonut, Sep 21, 2010.

  1. voodoo pimp

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    According to Bulbapedia, Mischievous Heart gives +1 priority to switches. Is this true? If so, how does it interact with Pursuit?
  2. ΩDonut

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    It's not true.
  3. TorchicBlaziken

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    But maybe it literally changes switching priority to +1. Try using Extremespeed on a switcher.
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    It doesn't work that way. Mischievous Heart just increases priority by 1; the only way it'll set the priority to +1 is if the priority was originally 0.
  5. Death Phenomeno

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    This is kind of obvious, but here it is in case someone needs confirmation:

    A Thunder Wave reflected with Magic Mirror will be absorbed by Motor Drive.

    In other words, Magic Mirror doesn't reflect just the actual status like Synchronize, but the whole move that causes it. One could assume that this also works for things like Flash Fire and Sap Sipper. Good for mind games.
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    but if Leech Seed is reflected onto a grass-type sap sipper...

    *brain explodes*
  7. voodoo pimp

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    It transforms your Pokémon into Rotom-S.
  8. Zebstrika

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    And automatically gives it a Balloon and permanent Magnet Rise.

    I believe that it would simply be prevented, like Lightningrod Ground types don't get a boost.

    Edit: Where does Bulbapedia say MH gives switching priority?
  9. voodoo pimp

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    Someone must have edited it out, because it isn't there any more.
  10. Aminar

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    I have in game tests that contradict the current statements.
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    Using Legit-Hacked Level 100 Sableye
    Used Trickery on level 50 wild Fearow.
    Almost One hit KO'd
    Next level 50 wild Fearow
    Used Will-O-The-Wisp
    One hit KO'd given the earlier turns burn damage.
    This implies that using trickery on a burned Pokemon does the same damage, although it isn't one hundred percent conclusive. I have done the same thing in the battle tower before and not done half damage however.
    If somebody else wants to confirm that would be fantastic.
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    The OP mentions a burn on the user of the move, not on the target.
  12. Aminar

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    Ah, which is also correct. In that case this should be mentioned there too, as it is relevant.
  13. chriscobi634

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    I just want to know one thing. Can you transfer Pokemon that learn moves through TMs in any game before BW like Roost and Stealth Rock that no longer have those moves available to them in BW.
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    Yes. HM moves can't be transferred, but everything else can be.
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    Can pokemon with Whirlpool be transferred from DPP and pokemon with Defog be transferred from HGSS? I assume so because the most logical reason you can't transfer is because it may leave you in a situation so you can't win, but no such situation can be created by taking a pokemon with Whirlpool from DPP or a pokemon with Defog from HGSS because the moves aren't necessary to progress or they would be HMs.
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    Well technically nothing learns defog naturally iirc but I get your point.

    I'm fairly sure that... Whirlpool Finneon or something like that will have no trouble being transferred.

    Also think about it. If some little kid wants to transfer pokemon and suddenly his DS tells him, "your pokemon has an HM move", he will be confused. And yell and scream and tell all of his friends, "pokemon is such a dumb game, I can't even transfer them!"

    And Gamefreak doesn't want customer dissatisfaction so they go with the most obvious way.
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    I apologize for double posting buuut:

    Does this still happen in gen 5? (watch where Ho-oh cannot use sacred fire)

    I.E, what happens when an imprisoned pokemon is transformed into?
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    Correct. It only checks if it has HM moves in that game. The entire purpose of it, I'm pretty sure, is so you can't transfer your only Surf user while you're in the middle of the ocean or something like that.

    Although that does bring up something I never thought about before. Can you replace Defog/Whirlpool (in the appropriate game) with a level-up/TM move without going to the Move Deleter?
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    Yes.
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    About my previous post on abilities:
    Oops.

    Since we now know how abilities are calculated in the 5th generation, we confirmed that abilities of gen 3/4 mons will not change when evolved in gen5. This is because they still have the gen 3/4 version locality hex that tells the game to use the previous calculation.

    tl;dr abilities calculated for DPPtHGSS Pokemon will not change if evolved in gen 5.
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    So let me get this straight- my Shellder with Skill Link will definitely keep Skill Link when I evolve it in Black?
  22. ΩDonut

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    Yes. That's what he means when he says "DPPtHGSS Pokemon will not change".
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    Sweet! That's what I thought in the first place when I saw his post, I just wanted to be absolutely certain.
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    Are Zoroark and Zorua immune to Skill Swap, Befriend, Worry Seed and Simple Beam? If not, does the illusion break immediately after losing the ability? And I'm pretty sure Trace fails against Illusion, but what do Role Play and Skill Swap do if they work?
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    Phew! That's a relief.

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