To be perfectly honestly, we really shouldn't be spooky plate because we can't switch into Mega Gengar or reliably beat it even with ghost Judgement, but aki0s is correct, at least Chansey gives the illusion of eviolite.
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It offers more of a chance of beating M-gengar than non-spooky plate. Something like P-heal Yveltal would give a more reliable check for sure, but Imposter plate Chansey checks more of the threats you listed & doesn't compound already existing weaknesses. We will have to pick up an imposter or unaware user somewhere along the line & I see no reason why the slot should not belong to spooky plate imposter Chansey.
Hi guys! I've been gone for a week without access to a computer. Sorry about that. Here's voting for Stage 5:
highlighter
The Guy Who Has Many Alts
aki0s
As usual, the links go to their sets. I'm hoping for more participation next round!
highlighter
The Guy Who Has Many Alts
aki0s
As usual, the links go to their sets. I'm hoping for more participation next round!
InfernapeTropius11
get on my level
highlighter's ho-oh
Guy's audino
Laxpras
One small yeet for man, one giant yeet for mankind
highlighter's ho-oh
highlighter is the winner! This means that nominations for Stage 6 and our final team member are now open.
Current team:
Current team:
Rayquaza-Mega @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Protean
EVs: 200 Atk / 252 SpA / 56 Spe
Rash Nature
- Judgment
- Bolt Strike
- Boomburst
- V-create
Rayquaza-Mega @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Boomburst
- Spore
- Infestation / Magma Storm
Registeel @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
- Nuzzle
- Stealth Rock/Defog/Gastro Acid
- Recover
- Parting Shot
Giratina @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 248 HP / 180 Def / 80 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Parting Shot / U-turn
- Slack Off
- Metal Burst
- Will-O-Wisp / Whirlwind
Ho-Oh @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Flare Blitz
- Knock Off
- Recover
- Whirlwind / U-Turn
Ability: Protean
EVs: 200 Atk / 252 SpA / 56 Spe
Rash Nature
- Judgment
- Bolt Strike
- Boomburst
- V-create
Rayquaza-Mega @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Boomburst
- Spore
- Infestation / Magma Storm
Registeel @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
- Nuzzle
- Stealth Rock/Defog/Gastro Acid
- Recover
- Parting Shot
Giratina @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 248 HP / 180 Def / 80 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Parting Shot / U-turn
- Slack Off
- Metal Burst
- Will-O-Wisp / Whirlwind
Ho-Oh @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Flare Blitz
- Knock Off
- Recover
- Whirlwind / U-Turn
Laxpras
One small yeet for man, one giant yeet for mankind
Diancie-Mega @ Life Orb
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Mild Nature
IVs: 0 Def / 0 SpD
- Extreme Speed
- Boomburst
- Magma Storm / Spore
- Precipice Blades
This fits into our team really well, as it is a top tier threat that we already have imposter-proofed thanks to Ho-Oh. Precipice Blades destroys Registeel, and once most teams lose Registeel, Diancie will just win. Magma storm is good coverage for the rare LeviRegi, and handles shedinja. Spore can be a really annoying combination with atespeed, and beats Fur Coat Chansey. Anyway, spamming boomburst with this is just the way to go in BH, fairy is too good.
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MAMP
MAMP!
we cant use this unfortunately, as we already have an -ate userNomming what I consider the best threat in BH: Mega Diancie
Diancie-Mega @ Life Orb
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Mild Nature
IVs: 0 Def / 0 SpD
- Extreme Speed
- Boomburst
- Magma Storm / Spore
- Precipice Blades
This fits into our team really well, as it is a top tier threat that we already have imposter-proofed thanks to Ho-Oh. Precipice Blades destroys Registeel, and once most teams lose Registeel, Diancie will just win. Magma storm is good coverage for the rare LeviRegi, and handles shedinja. Spore can be a really annoying combination with atespeed, and beats Fur Coat Chansey. Anyway, spamming boomburst with this is just the way to go in BH, fairy is too good.
not gonna put out another set but I'm just going to point out that PH tyranitar can sweep the team after a Shift Gear.
sin(pi)
lucky n bad
Making Registeel's 2nd moveslot Gastro Acid should solve that (unless Ttar has started to run Ground/Fighting moves).
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I'm going to be boring and suggest Imposter Chansey - Spooky Plate isn't necessary IMO since Ho-Oh already checks most Mgar and MMY.
Chansey @ Eviolite/Lucky Punch
Ability: Imposter
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
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- Whirlwind
- Fake Out
- King's Shield/Recover/Metal Burst
edit2: skill swap doesn't do what it wants to do, so I crossed out the references to it
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It's not really necessary rn, no. But it was before Ho-oh was voted in. Last slot should obv go to an imposter mon imo. Since Chansey is taken:
Pikachu @ Light Ball
Ability: Imposter
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Skill Swap
- Parting Shot
- King's Shield
Moves are p much filler besides Skill swap. Imposters set up sweepers & kek's them.
MAMP
MAMP!
I'm gonna nominate Unaware Mega Audino for the last slot.
Audino-Mega @ Safety Goggles / Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 44 Def / 212 SpD
Calm Nature
- Moonblast
- Recover
- Heart Swap
- Baton Pass
At the moment, the team has a few glaring weaknesses: in particular, Shift Gear TTar and GW MRay basically just win if they get a turn of set up, and we're reliant on Ho-Oh as our only real answer to Protean Mewtwo Y and Mega Gengar. Unaware Mega Audino solves all of these issues very cleanly, easing the pressure on Ho-Oh and providing a solid counter to many dangerous set-up sweepers that would ravage the team otherwise. I'm a big fan of this Heart Swap set, as it has a lot more offensive presence than most other Unaware Audino sets, so it can't just get stalled out as easily. As well, Baton Passing some boosts to one of our MRay's can potentially be a game winning play, which is important to keep in mind. The EV spread allows us to never be 2HKO'd by 252+ Life Orb GW Ray Oblivion Wing after Stealth Rock, and the rest is stuck in defense to help deal with Mega TTar.
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Audino-Mega @ Safety Goggles / Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 44 Def / 212 SpD
Calm Nature
- Moonblast
- Recover
- Heart Swap
- Baton Pass
At the moment, the team has a few glaring weaknesses: in particular, Shift Gear TTar and GW MRay basically just win if they get a turn of set up, and we're reliant on Ho-Oh as our only real answer to Protean Mewtwo Y and Mega Gengar. Unaware Mega Audino solves all of these issues very cleanly, easing the pressure on Ho-Oh and providing a solid counter to many dangerous set-up sweepers that would ravage the team otherwise. I'm a big fan of this Heart Swap set, as it has a lot more offensive presence than most other Unaware Audino sets, so it can't just get stalled out as easily. As well, Baton Passing some boosts to one of our MRay's can potentially be a game winning play, which is important to keep in mind. The EV spread allows us to never be 2HKO'd by 252+ Life Orb GW Ray Oblivion Wing after Stealth Rock, and the rest is stuck in defense to help deal with Mega TTar.
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please stopIt's not really necessary rn, no. But it was before Ho-oh was voted in. Last slot should obv go to an imposter mon imo. Since Chansey is taken:
Pikachu @ Light Ball
Ability: Imposter
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Skill Swap
- Parting Shot
- King's Shield
Moves are p much filler besides Skill swap. Imposters set up sweepers & kek's them.
I have the right to nominate what I want, gtfo. You don't have to vote for it.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/balanced-hackmons-viability-ranking.3547823/page-7
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What.
First off, it doesn't say that on the page you linked, at all, or even in the last two pages except for one poster who isn't really the best of sources.
Secondly, it is way better than it is ranked, due to actually being good. While it isn't some kind of godlike mon (despite what I might say at times), it is heavily underrated and is viable. I argued for it earlier in this thread, so I'l link it again, plus a bit more.
quantum tesseract said:
Just by existing, Pikachu puts an incredible pressure, both in teambuilding and in battle. Think your Giratina counters protean MMX? Welcome to Light Ball PBlades- it 2hkos. Want to run unaware Maudino to wall your Tail Glow Mray? 252 SpA Light Ball Pikachu (Rayquaza) Oblivion Wing vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Audino: 204-241 (49.7 - 58.7%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO
If you want to wall imposter Pikachu, you either need immunities, or mons so weak you can avoid the 4hko from imposters of, which isn't always doable. This almost always leaves sturdy Shed, which is killed by rocks. If they have an imposter Pikachu, you cant afford to send out your most powerful mons until its gone, you can't KO mons with your MMY's secret sword (because then Pikachu can come in and potentially win), you cant bring in your fakespeed Diancie safely- especially since Pikachu has just enough bulk (hitting 274) to have similar hp to common offense mons such as the aforsaid Diancie (241). Even if Pikachu imposters a wall, it isn't useless- Pikachu impostering dragon tail Giratina still hits like a truck.
Furthermore, you are relying on ad hominem attacks, like calling the person you are arguing with salty, rather than actually making a claim and then supporting it. If you want to disagree with people, fine, but please use arguments instead of reaction pictures.
Is it S-Rank, like Chansey, who can be run on nearly every team? No. But is it a viable mon with a major niche that can be run? Yes, absolutely. I suggest you try it- it might even surprise you.
Woops i guess i linked the wrong thread, i'll edit later if i can be bothered, it's somewhere in the BH suspect thread iirc
The main reason i didn't retort with a proper argument is that it's already been argued to death on why Pikachu isn't viable. I figured it would be more efficient to link him to the thread instead of cluttering this thread with a run-down argument.
I wasn't resorting to ad hominem with that salty image, i like to call it satire. Also just because I showed someone else's argument rather than my own unique argument, doesn't mean the argument i presented you with is any less valid.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/balanced-hackmons-suspects-and-bans.3566051/page-2
here, then?
The arguments here aren't that great either (ie not good enough that I would want to use them, but alright). The argument isn't run down at all (a total of 9 posts have been made between the two thread, not counting your three), so to me you saying that seems like your just trying to avoid admitting a mistake (although if this isn't true, I apologize).
Its ad hominem because of how you used it- ie, in lieu of actual points. Instead of finding/making a good argument, you instead attacked/satired the person making it, which is dumb because any idiot can call the sky blue and not be wrong. Even if he was "salty", it was unneeded and rude.
Pikachu isn't a "viable" mon in bh. Its a walking 50/50 just to be useful. Its a lot like running a standalone moody or swag play set. Or a simple Shell Smash Deo-A set. You might get lucky and it will just win you the game if they rely on walls to check their sweepers. If you copy something like a non judgement protean sweeper you can just win if you get lucky. But if you copy something like Arceus, you get revenged killed by -ate even if you win the matchup, so you might only just kill one mon. So you have you have all these unknown factors deciding whether or not Pikachu is actually useful. Highly competitive players want to control as many parts of the game as they possibly can. In such a high variance game you really have to control as much as you can to keep a good win percentage. Thats why so many competitive players dislike Pikachu. Its not that its bad and unusable, its that more often then not its usefulness is determined by the RNG. Yeah it can force a person to play a bit differently (it doesn't force people to team build differently that bit is just false) which can work in your favor if your team is more skewed toward Hyper Offense like Quantum Tesseract's team. But Hyper Offense this team is not. Which brings me to the most irrefutable point: Pikachu imposter (or any imposter) is a bad fit for this team. The two biggest threats to this team are Mega Tyranitar and GW Mega Ray, both of which are generally imposter proof. Even if we used basic eviolite Chans it would be a bad choice. This team doesn't have room for Imposter. This is something i've found in almost every team i build post ORAS. There are just too many imposter-proof threats that it isn't worth running imposter.
ok, vote for sin(pi), aki0s, or MAMP
Sin(pi)