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Barboach (Analysis)'

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Sledge, Apr 24, 2010.

  1. Sledge

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    [OVERVIEW]

    <p>Barboach can be a very dangerous Pokemon in Little Cup with access to Dragon Dance, excellent STABs, very good defensive typing, and decent defensive stats. While its attacking stats are rather low compared to other sweepers in Little Cup, it can still sweep effectively with a very nice attacking movepool, over 21 Speed with Choice Scarf, and Dragon Dance.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dragon Dancer
    move 1: Dragon Dance
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Waterfall
    move 4: Return
    item: Oran Berry / Life Orb
    ability: Anticipation
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 36 HP / 212 Atk / 12 Def / 28 SpD / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Despite Barboach's low Attack stat, it has a way of boosting it, along with its Speed, in what is arguably the best set-up move in the game: Dragon Dance. After a single Dragon Dance, Barboach's Attack is increased to a respectable 21, and its Speed is boosted to 22 with an Adamant nature or 24 with a Jolly nature, outpacing all unboosted Pokemon in Little Cup. Barboach has two great STABs in Earthquake and Waterfall, hitting most Pokemon in Little Cup for at least neutral damage, bar Grass-types and Mantyke. Return provides neutral coverage on all the Pokemon whom Waterfall and Earthquake can't hit. Oran Berry is the preferred item for this set, giving Barboach the bulk that it needs to set up consistently, without sacrificing too much HP in the process. However, Life Orb is also a viable option for the added power, particularly late-game with Wynaut support. When choosing between Adamant and Jolly nature, you must consider whether you prefer added power or higher survivability. While Adamant gives you one extra point in Attack, Jolly allows you to outspeed more Choice Scarf users after one Dragon Dance, such as Bagon and Krabby, and lets you outspeed or tie Choice Scarf Cranidos and Wailmer, depending on their natures.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Barboach is definitely not the best Pokemon in the world to be switching into strong attacks due to its lack of resistances and merely decent defenses. Therefore, it is a good idea to avoid switching Barboach into strong attackers whenever possible. That being said, if Barboach is able to get into battle while taking little to no damage, such as after a KO or on an Electric- or Rock-typed attack, it can be very difficult to stop after setting up. This is largely because it has just one weakness, to the very uncommon Grass-type attacks. Barboach also has better defenses than many sweepers, such as Gastly and Houndour, and has comparable defenses to its fellow Dragon Dancer, Dratini.</p>

    <p>Barboach greatly appreciates dual screens, which aid in its setup and allow it to sweep more easily. Because of this, Abra and Bronzor both make good partners to Barboach, as they can set up screens. Barboach also likes having Wynaut support, because if it can Encore the right move, such as an Electric-type attack or a non-attacking move, Barboach can get a free Dragon Dance.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physical Choice
    move 1: Earthquake
    move 2: Waterfall
    move 3: Return / Double-Edge
    move 4: Spark
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Anticipation
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 36 HP / 212 Atk / 12 Def / 28 SpD / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set's main selling point is that Barboach has excellent dual STABs, shared only by Wooper in Little Cup. Barboach's two main physical STAB attacks, Earthquake and Waterfall, provide near-flawless coverage in Little Cup and are good options on a Choice set. Return provides coverage on the Pokemon Earthquake and Waterfall miss out on, such as Mantyke and Snover. Double-Edge is an interesting option on this set, especially very late in the game, when it can nab some hard-to-get KOs. Spark hits most Water-types super effectively and has high chance of paralysis.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>This set requires a lot of prediction to use it effectively, as there are many common Pokemon in Little Cup that have immunity to Barboach's attacks. Levitators, such as Bronzor and Duskull, and Flying-types, such as Gligar and Mantyke, are all immune to Earthquake. Mantyke also has an added bonus of gaining 25% of its health from Waterfall due to Water Absorb, which means it is fully resistant to both of Barboach's STABs. Croagunk also sports an immunity to Waterfall, but is OHKOed by Earthquake. Ghosts, such as Gastly and Duskull, are immune to Return and Double-Edge. All of these immunities makes Barboach tricky to play with.<p>

    <p>Bronzor is one Pokemon that makes a good partner to this set as they cover each other's weaknesses. Bronzor can run an effective special set, which can provide good coverage with Barboach, who hits physically. Snover is another solid partner to this set, because it resists Grass, which is Barboach's only weakness. Barboach covers Snover's Fire-type, Poison-type, and Rock-type weaknesses as well.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Special Choice
    move 1: Earth Power
    move 2: Hydro Pump
    move 3: Ice Beam
    move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Electric / Hidden Power Rock
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Anticipation
    nature: Modest
    evs: 36 HP / 12 Def / 232 SpA / 28 SpD / 200 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set takes advantage of Barboach's good Speed, decent Special Attack, and unique special STABs. While this set seems inferior to other Scarf Water-types, such as Staryu and Chinchou, the one advantage that Barboach has over them is its access to STAB Earth Power. Earth Power gives good coverage on Pokemon whom Water-types often miss out on, such as Croagunk and Chinchou, while providing a more reliable option against other Electric-types. Hydro Pump is another obligatory STAB move, and with 120 Base Power, it is very powerful. Ice Beam provides coverage for the Pokemon on whom Earth Power and Hydro Pump can't hit, such as Mantyke. Ice Beam also hits Gligar, one of the most commonly used Pokemon in Little Cup, for 4x damage. While Hydro Pump, Earth Power, and Ice Beam provide neutral coverage on every Pokemon in Little Cup, bar Surskit, Hidden Power Fire can come in handy against Snover who can otherwise counter Barboach. Hidden Power Electric is also a good option because it can hit the otherwise troublesome Mantyke for 4x damage, while Hidden Power Rock can hit both Snover and Mantyke super effectively, albeit for less damage.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>One obvious thing about Barboach is its lack of power compared to other common Scarf Water-types. Because of this, Barboach is best used in a late-game scenario, as it does not have the power to bring down many Pokemon who are at full health.</p>

    <p>Because of Barboach's lack of power, Pokemon that can effectively weaken the enemy team partner well with it. Cranidos and Swords Dance Gligar tend to work well with their offensive prowess. Bronzor and Barboach also work well together, as they cover each other's weaknesses. Additionally, Bronzor can hit hard on the physical side while Barboach hits specially, forming a potent offensive duo.</p>

    <p>You will need to adjust EVs on this set according to which Hidden Power you use. The EVs given are optimal for Hidden Power Fire and also work for Hidden Power Electric. However, if you choose to use Hidden Power Rock, you will want to take off 4 Speed EVs and 4 EVs to both Defense and Special Defense.</p>

    [TEAM OPTIONS]

    <p>Two Pokemon that nearly always work well with Barboach are Snover and Bronzor. Snover provides good offensive synergy, resists Grass-type attacks, and can dole out Hail damage, which can be helpful to Barboach, who often lacks the power to take out Pokemon on its own. Barboach also resists Fire-type and Rock-type moves, which are two of Snover's most commonly abused weaknesses. Bronzor and Barboach work well together because they both resist each other's weaknesses. Bronzor can also set up screens to aid Barboach in setting up Dragon Dances.</p>

    [OPTIONAL CHANGES]

    <p>On the Physical Choice set, running a Jolly nature instead of an Adamant one is an option; however, in most cases Barboach prefers the boost in power to the boost in Speed. The same principle applies for the Special Choice set, which can run a Timid nature as opposed to a Modest one. On the Special Choice set, there are a variety of other Hidden Power types to use, such as Electric, which hits Mantyke harder than Ice Beam; Fire, which hits Snover 4x super effectively; and Rock, which hits both Mantyke and Snover super effectively at the cost less damage on one. For Barboach to be an effective Choice sweeper early-game, Choice Band and Choice Specs can be used on the Physical and Special Choice sets respectively as they provide much more power than Choice Scarf; however, in the Speed-centralized metagame that is Little Cup, Choice Scarf is nearly always the better option.</p>

    [COUNTERS]

    <p>There are few Pokemon that can counter all of Barboach's sets effectively. One that does a very good job would be Mantyke, as it is immune to Barboach's dual STABs and can hit it back hard with a STAB Hydro Pump. Other good counters are Choice Scarf users that are faster than a Barboach at +1 Speed, such as Mankey (who can OHKO Barboach with Close Combat), Gligar, and Gastly.<p>

  2. Snorlaxe

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    [Overview]

    <p>Barboach can be a very dangerous Pokemon in Little Cup with access to Dragon Dance, excellent STABs, very good defensive typing, and decent defensive stats. While its attacking stats are rather low compared to other sweepers in Little Cup, it can still sweep effectively with a very nice attacking movepool, over 21 Speed with Choice Scarf, and Dragon Dance.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dancing Machine
    move 1: Dragon Dance
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Waterfall
    move 4: Return
    item: Oran Berry / Life Orb
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 36 HP / 212 Atk / 12 Def / 28 SpD / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Despite Barboach's low Attack stat, it has a way of boosting it, along with its Speed, in what is arguably the best set-up move in the game: Dragon Dance. After a single Dragon Dance, Barboach's Attack is increased to a respectable 21, and its Speed is boosted to 22 with an Adamant nature or 24 with a Jolly nature, outpacing all unboosted Pokemon in Little Cup. Barboach has two great STABs in Earthquake and Waterfall, hitting most Pokemon in Little Cup for at least neutral damage, bar Grass-types and Mantyke. Return provides neutral coverage on all the Pokemon who Waterfall and Earthquake can't hit. Oran Berry is the preferred item for this set, giving Barboach the bulk that it needs to set up consistently, and not sacrifice too much HP in the process. However, Life Orb is also a viable option for the added power, particularly in late-game scenarios and with Wynaut support. When choosing between Adamant and Jolly natures, you must consider which you prefer; added power or a higher survivability. While Adamant does give you one point higher in Attack, Jolly does allow you to outspeed more Scarfers after one Dragon Dance, such as Bagon or Krabby, and lets you outspeed or tie (depending on their nature) Choice Scarf Cranidos and Wailmer.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Barboach is most certainly not the best Pokemon in the world for coming into battle on attacks due to its lack of resistences and decent defenses, so it is a good idea to avoid switching Barboach in to strong attackers whenever possible. That being said, if Barboach is able to get into battle taking little or no damage, such as after a KO or on an Electric- or Rock-type attack, it can be very difficult to stop. This is because it has just one weakness to the very uncommon Grass-type attacks, Oran Berry to restore HP while Barboach sets up, better defenses than many sweepers such as Gastly and Houndour, and comprable defenses to its fellow Dragon Dancer, Dratini.</p>

    <p>Barboach is one Pokemon who greatly appreciates dual screens, aiding it in its setup and allowing it to sweep easier. The most effective dual screener in Little Cup is most certainly Bronzor, and because of this Bronzor makes a very good partner to help out with Barboach's sweep. Barboach also likes having Wynaut support, because if it can Encore the right move (such as an Electric-type attack or a non-attacking move) Barboach virtually gets a free Dragon Dance. This can make Barboach much more of a threat and much more difficult to take down.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Special Choice
    move 1: Earth Power
    move 2: Hydro Pump
    move 3: Ice Beam
    move 4: Hidden Power Fire
    item: Choice Scarf
    nature: Modest
    evs: 36 HP / 12 Def / 232 SpA / 28 SpD / 200 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set takes advantage of Barboach's good Speed, decent Special Attack, and unique STABs. While this set seems inferior to other common Scarfed Waters such as Staryu and Chinchou, the one advantage that Barboach has over them is access to STAB Earth Power. Earth Power gives good coverage on Pokemon who Waters often miss out on such as Croagunk and Chinchou, and also provides a more reliable option against Electric-types. Hydro Pump is another obligatory STAB, and a powerful one at that. With a massive 120 Base Power it is another great attacking option. Ice Beam provides coverage for the Pokemon who Earth Power and Hydro Pump miss out on such as Mantyke. Ice Beam also hits Gligar, currently one of the most commonly used Pokemon in Little Cup, for 4x damage. While Hydro Pump, Earth Power, and Ice Beam provide neutral coverage on every Pokemon in Little Cup (bar the uncommon Surskit), Hidden Power Fire can come in handy against Snover, a very common Pokemon in Little Cup. One may think Snover would be an excellent counter to Barboach becuase it can threaten it with 4x effective STAB Grass attacks, but Snover will not like taking a 4x effective Fire attack.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>One thing that sticks out about Barboach is its lack of power compared to other common Scarfed Waters. Because of this, Barboach is best used in a late-game scenario, as it does not have the power to bring down many Pokemon who are at full health.</p>

    <p>Because of Barboach's lack of power, Pokemon who do hit with a great amount of power make great partners to Barboach; Cranidos and Swords Dance Gligar work well. Bronzor also works well with Barboach, as they resist each other's weaknesses, and Bronzor can hit well physically, which does well with Barboach, who hits specially.</p>

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    cool stuff, some mistakes but the content's good, so hopefully i got everything grammatical for you.
  3. Heysup

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    While I will admit that I haven't tested the Flail set, I am questioning its viability using simple "it's a shark with no teeth" logic, especially when compared to the regular DD set.

    The reason Barboach is such an effective DDer is that it can take a large number of priority attacks before it faints, and after a Speed boost it's likely going to force the Pokemon it's facing to use priority. However without this benefit (ie "when the shark has no teeth"), even with the semi-superior coverage that Flail gives - keep in mind, Flail is only 150 BP with 4% HP left which is merely equal to Earthquake - it really doesn't seem viable. What resists Ground and Water anyway? Paras and Mantyke? I think you're better off using Return or Spark in any event.

    The other sets I have used successfully and look fine.
  4. Kannon

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    all I can see right now is HP Electric or even Rock is superior to HP fire on the special set and Spark should get a space and Return and Double-Edge slashed together on the physical choice set.

    maybe since it has usable special attacks you can try a mixed dancer?
  5. Sledge

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    Okay, I nixed the flail set, and I will get to testing the options that Kannon mentioned.
  6. Heysup

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    What advantages would this give at all? Just because something has a usable SpA stat / movepool does not mean using them over other Attacking moves would be beneficial because you are removing a move and often EVs most of the time.

    Also, yea slash HP Electric onto the special choice set.
  7. Desolate

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    Hi. Corrections citation are in red.

    You had quite a few run-on sentences. I also corrected redundant wording, and compounds (where they should of been hyphenated, and what-not). I'll try to edit your last set later. Good luck!
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    Please put Spark on the Choice set. Return and Double-Edge on the same set is a very stupid idea.
    EDIT: Keep in mind that DD + Spark is illegal.
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    Ability should be mentioned because barboach has two of them.
  11. iss

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    Where did the EVs go for the Physical Choice set?
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