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BasePowerMons (edited, look at post #87)
- Thread starter The Shellder Smuggler
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The Shellder Smuggler
Banned deucer.
First, Andrew made us a nice banner :)
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I want the meta to be fun, but I also want it to be fair. I think +8 is very fair, as it still gives stall a chance to have a niche in this meta.
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xJownage
Even pendulums swing both ways
if stall is unviable this will be stabmons on steroids. first one to setup a sweep wins. Well see how the meta plays out when it is being played and go from there k?
I do want both playstyles to be equally viable but 8point increments nerfs way too many mons. a power cap of 100 or so would be cool. the other guy to mention power caps was saying a power cap of 140 which is way too high. though I'm not sure whether this would be a better way to make stall viable than the current system
The Shellder Smuggler
Banned deucer.
No, +8 seems fair. Capping it at 100 just makes it no fun, you'll see base 100 moves everywhere.
Just one more suggestion maybe increment it to where it's +10 for the first few then the increment goes down after those by an amount
The Shellder Smuggler
Banned deucer.
That would be too complicated, plus, I already have a programmer working on this and I already told him what to program.
So how is Gyro Ball supposed to work? Trying to code this now, got everything but that done I think. Just gotta test some stuff.
So GyroBall has 8 characters, so it would be base 64, or would it still vary? Also, do I make status moves do damage? What do I do about Nature Power?
So GyroBall has 8 characters, so it would be base 64, or would it still vary? Also, do I make status moves do damage? What do I do about Nature Power?
The Shellder Smuggler
Banned deucer.
Gyro Ball is base 64, quite the twist on it (fuck bronzong)
Status moves do damage? What do you mean :O
Do I make Toxic do damage, for example. Also, what do I do about Nature Power? Nature Power calls different moves based on terrain, should I just leave it like that, and the BP is based on the terrain?
The Shellder Smuggler
Banned deucer.
Yeah Nature power is based on terrain. Status moves are the same, so toxic does damage.
AWailOfATail
viva la darmz
I think he means that when, let's say, Chansey uses Toxic, it is also a 40 BP move. (I might just be absolutely reading too much into his words but wtv)
I think he means to ask if toxic should become an attacking move with 40BP (5 letters)
Great minds think alike ;D
Yes, that's what I mean.
Pikachuun
the entire waruda machine
So no, since toxic is a move that doesn't do direct damage that isn't fixed.
If status moves did damage, that'd be a little crazy. I mean, a 96 BP Sleep Powder and Thunder Wave, and 88 BP Will-O-Wisp and Confuse Ray. Thus I have 4 questions:
1) Would status moves be backed by Prankster? Thundurus with Thunder Wave sounds too strong for my tastes.
2) Would status moves that don't hit the target get power anyways? Protect and Recover seem so annoying now if they are.
3) Do Taunt and Magic Coat/Bounce effect status moves now? If they deal damage, I don't see how they can be effected by Taunt and Magic Coat/Bounce.
4) How will status moves deal damage if they aren't physical or special? Is it just Attack and Special Attack added up and divided by 2? Is it the higher of the two? Is it randomized between the two? My head hurts trying to guess.
tl;dr I personally feel that status moves shouldn't deal damage, as it a) seems a bit unbalanced with Prankster and stall and all that, and b) is just weird and doesn't make sense.
1) Would status moves be backed by Prankster? Thundurus with Thunder Wave sounds too strong for my tastes.
2) Would status moves that don't hit the target get power anyways? Protect and Recover seem so annoying now if they are.
3) Do Taunt and Magic Coat/Bounce effect status moves now? If they deal damage, I don't see how they can be effected by Taunt and Magic Coat/Bounce.
4) How will status moves deal damage if they aren't physical or special? Is it just Attack and Special Attack added up and divided by 2? Is it the higher of the two? Is it randomized between the two? My head hurts trying to guess.
tl;dr I personally feel that status moves shouldn't deal damage, as it a) seems a bit unbalanced with Prankster and stall and all that, and b) is just weird and doesn't make sense.
Oh right, that makes sense. OK I'll add a thing where status moves don't do damage.
The Shellder Smuggler
Banned deucer.
By the way, anyone think about Drain Punch? It's not as OP as Parabolic Charge, but is now base 88 power and recovers health. It could be the new Fighting STAB of choice, but I think PuP takes that role
AWailOfATail
viva la darmz
Drain Punch will help a lot for bulky attackers (read: conkeldurr), but it's honestly not too much of a buff from 75 to 88. I mean, it's a buff, but compared to PuP, it's outclassed. Who needs health when you can just kill everything instead?
The Shellder Smuggler
Banned deucer.
Yeah, the only niche I see for the buffed Drain Punch is a better move of choice for bulky attackers. And even then, Conkeldurr is in danger with Talonflame's new OP Acrobatics
xJownage
Even pendulums swing both ways
252+ Atk Talonflame Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 302-356 (72.9 - 85.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
ORLY NAO????? <:
Itemless acrobatics has 160 BP in this meta
xJownage
Even pendulums swing both ways
I'm really sorry to say this after I agreed to code it, but I ran into some blocks while writing the script, and I realized that I don't really have time for this. I'm not sure how to do dynamic power moves, because according to the system, they have a base power of 0, and there's a function that determines what the actual base power is. I'm going to post my code that I have so far right here so that when someone else wants to try it, they will have a base to start with.
Sorry about that.
Code:
exports.BattleScripts = {
init: function() {
for (var i in this.data.Moves) {
var name = i.id;
var basePower = i.basePower;
if (name.substring("hiddenpower") > -1) {
name = "hiddenpower"; // hidden power is a fixed bp
}
basePower = name.length * 8;
if (i.multihit != null) { // check for multihit, not sure if this works
basePower = 30;
}
this.modData('Moves', i).basePower = basePower;
}
}
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