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Battle Maison Discussion & Records

Discussion in 'Orange Islands' started by NoCheese, Jun 2, 2011.

  1. icu812

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    Alive again. Finally got the stupid berries. With a rotation team, no less.

    8x4g-wwww-www6-7sta


    Vaporeon @ Leftovers
    Bold, Water Absorb
    HP 244 Def 252 SpA 4 SpD 4 Spd 4
    Wish
    Protect
    Scald
    Haze

    Dragonite @ Lum Berry
    Adamant, Multiscale
    HP 22 Atk 252 Spd 236
    Dragon Dance
    Outrage
    Earthquake
    Fire Punch

    Scizor @ Focus Sash
    Adamant, Technician
    HP 6 Atk 252 Spd 252
    Bullet Punch
    Super Power
    Bug Bite
    Swords Dance

    Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
    Impish, Poison Heal
    HP 208 Def 56 Spd 244
    Protect
    Substitute
    Earthquake
    Toxic


    Wish is cool. Gliscor is hilarious.

    Thinking about trying Aegislash and thinking harder about Scizor's EVs. I just took a leftover from bank without touching EVs, anyone with thoughts for Scizor?

    Chansey/Blissey/Alomomola are interesting wish users to look at too.
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2014
  2. Hozu

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    Just a little tidbit - the AI has Pokémon with IVs of 3 across the board at the first battle of the non-super runs, and 19 at the first battle of super runs. I assume it increases evenly until 20/50, at which point it becomes 15/31s. Haven't got that far yet.

    I should check partner AI in multi...
  3. BlakDragon

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    It's finally over. I got all 5 Battle Maison trophies!
    I used the same team Haunter used to get his Super Multi Trophy,
    but Garchomp carried Iron head over Fire Fang because I don't like the fairies, Mamoswine, or Aurorus existing.
    The risk-free flinch proc proved to be useful in some battles, too!

    L79W-WWWW-WWW6-7TDF
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    Based Haunter

    This happened on the way to the 50th victory:
    3FMG-WWWW-WWW6-7T2U
    Based Cryogonal

    Gonna keep doing Maison for battle point farming, my ability capsule addiction isn't sated yet.
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  4. atsync

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    I actually did some fooling around with the super line a little while back when I was adding some stuff to the database and it seems to be 19 IVs (all set 1 Pokemon) for the first 10 battles, 19 (set 1 Pokemon) or 23 (set 2 Pokemon) IVs for battles 11-20, and 23 (set 2 Pokemon) or 27 (set 3 Pokemon) IVs for battles 21-30. I didn't do anything beyond that, but I'd assume 27 with set 3 Pokemon and 31 with set 4 Pokemon for battles 31-40, and then after that just 31 IVs for all the trainers (as listed here).
  5. Hozu

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    Oh, IVs vary by set before 50? Now that's interesting...
  6. Alphanex20

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    So I've been messing around with a few team ideas for the maison, but need some feedback on how to make the stuff work:

    Metagross@Assault Vest
    172 HP 252 Atk 84 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    Clear Body
    Meteor Miss Mash
    Zen Headbutt
    Earthquake
    Bullet Punch

    Simple AV Metagross, probably one of my favorite pokes overall, not much can OHKO him aside from STAB EQs or Landorus (who is easily played around). The EVs outspeed the WoW Chandelure and Heatran and smash both with EQ (the other variants cannot OHKO you from full, even with the reduced HP EVs). Bullet Punch is for priority (notably it removes the pain that is Choiced Aerodactyl). Clear Body removes any chance of stat drop hax and blocks intimidate. Meteor Miss and Zen Miss, while annoying, have not been as painful as they could have been, TBH. Main problem is that I constantly get hit with freaking swagger/confuse ray, especially early on in the super runs.

    Greninja@Lum Berry/Focus Sash/Life Orb
    Protean
    Timid Nature
    4 Def 252 SAtk 252Spe
    Surf
    Ice Beam
    Grass Knot
    Dark Pulse

    Gen 6's Starmie, crazy good coverage and lightning fast. The Protean has lead to some hilarious mindgames with the AI making this thing an excellent answer to Bulky Waters with me switching between Grass Knot and another move (often Dark Pulse, especially against slowbro/king) and a good anti-Fire and ghost poke to help metagross. I am unsure on the item, Lum is nice for when I bring it in on fire types and WoW/hypnosis ghosts, sash is nice because of how frail it is, and LO is good for power. Only problem is that it cannot do anything when paralyzed or when something outspeeds it (notably scarfers, Noivern, and Aerodactyl). I have considered using Crawdaunt in the same vein (but definitely Lum on it since it CANNOT EVER get burned).

    I also have trouble picking what to use in the third slot, Aegislash gives me something to do against ferrothorn, Thundy-I, Lando-I, and Nidoking are immune to para and pack a nice punch--Nidoking has amazing coverage, thundy has prankster TWave and Sub, Lando has Rock Polish.

    There's also this set I have been fooling around with, but can never fit into a good team:

    Weavile @ Focus Sash
    Jolly Nature
    252 Atk 4 Def 252 Spe
    Pickpocket
    Fake Out
    Knock Off
    Ice Shard
    Ice Punch

    Easily one of my favorite sash abusers, since for those who do not know when your sash activates so does your ability which steals your opponent's item. Fake out is always nifty priority, same with Ice Shard (especially against scarf Lando and Aero). Knock Off is insanely strong and removes items (you get the idea here), and Ice Punch is Ice Punch. However the problem comes with Rough Skin things (especially ferrothorn) and things that can Curse against you, however it works well to both kill things and support at the same time.

    I know it was a long post, but I need a hand getting this together, I have a good idea of what's up, but just need some help really getting a team glued together.
  7. kingbattlus

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    icu812 your gliscor has Substitute twice.

    I am toying with some ideas and breeding up a storm, doing a zillion calculations and trying to piece together a team that works that doesn't include M-Kanga, Dragonite or Greninja. Hope to have something together soon. Man I wish Charizard Y's speed increased upon mega evolution... could be so sexy if it was a little faster...
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  8. J. Bauer

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    Got my Super Triples Monument! Now I just need every single other one.
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    Just slapped together a ragtag crew that I had on hand. No real thought behind it. Besides Klefki.
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    Klefki @ Sitrus Berry (Right)
    Ability: Prankster
    IV: 31/x/31/31/31/31
    EV: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Bold Nature
    - Light Screen
    - Reflect
    - Foul Play
    - Spikes

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    Garchomp (G.C. Hammer) @ Assault Vest/Yache Berry (Center) for 50th battle used Stone Plate and moved to Left
    Ability: Rough Skin
    IV: 31/31/31/x/31/31
    EV: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Dragon Claw
    - Rock Slide
    - Iron Head
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    Talonflame (T-Sizzle) @ Sharp Beak (Left) for 50th battle moved to Center
    Ability: Gale Wings
    IV: 31/31/31/x/31/31
    EV: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Brave Bird
    - Flare Blitz
    - Tailwind
    - Protect
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    Togekiss (Togenator) @ Lum Berry
    Ability: Serene Grace
    IV: 31/x/31/31/31/31
    EV: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spd
    Bold Nature
    - Dazzling Dream
    - Air Slash
    - Safeguard
    - Aura Sphere
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    Mawile (Van MaWilder) @ Mawilite
    Ability: Intimidate
    IV: 31/31/31/x/31/31
    EV: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Sucker Punch
    - Iron Head
    - Play Rough
    - Fire Fang

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    Milotic (Ticolmi) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Marvel Scale
    IV: 31/x/31/31/31/31
    EV: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
    Bold Nature
    - Scald
    - Ice Beam
    - Toxic
    - Recover

    I started off with a few different pokes but this is what I ended up with by the 40's. I had Togekiss with Follow Me and as a starter and would do that, Earthquake/Rock Slide, and Tailwind, but decided to put my streak on hold to breed a Klefki. Basic idea now was put up Light Screen and Reflect, in whatever order the battle demands, switch out Klefki for Togekiss and Brave Bird/Flare Blitz, Air Slash, and Earthquake/Rock Slide to death. Had its faults, and so did my backup three, but they got the job done. Tailwind when really necessary.

    As for battle 50, I was so exited to win I forgot to save the battle video. Sad face. But I have a sweet pic of my characters awesome fashion sense next to my trophy!

    Battle Preparations: I changed things around a bit for battle 50. I put Talonflame in Center and Garchomp in Left. I took off Assault Vest on Garchomp and put on Stone Plate for Rock Sliding the Legendary Birds. What that allowed me to do is Flare Blitz Articuno wherever he was and hopefully OHKO him.

    The Battle Begins: She threw out Articuno to my left, Registeel Center, and Zapdos to my right. I Flare Blitz Articuno, OHKO, nice. I shift Garchomp to Center. He moves and absorbs Zaps Thunder! Haha, the battle is mine. Two Rock Slides had Zap dead, LS and Reflect now in full effect. Moltres came in for Articuno, I Protected with Talonflame for second Rock Sliding, the AI loved aiming at T Sizzle and that turn was no different so GC takes no damage! I keep Klefki in because he is barely targeted and has yet to be seriously damaged. I pull Talonflame for Milotic and finish off Moltres after a Rock Slide. Regice comes in for Zap and misses Blizzard once but hits GC second time but he's still kicking strong because of LS. Regirock comes in for Moltres, Milotic says no problem. I Rock Slide Regice to death, but closely because of his Sitrus Berry. Klefki is still kickin up LS and Reflects like it's going out of style. I have Registeel left who has been dwindling GC and Klefki's health down but not significantly due to a few Rock Slide flinches and dual screens, and I sub in Talonflame and Togekiss to surround Garchomp in an Earthquake deathblow. 6-0 faints. I didn't think I would quite do that but I'll take it.

    Would have probably benefited from Greninja instead of Milotic among many other things, but I never had a Milo in the other games and didn't feel like spending the time to breed/trade for a Greninj. I believe I'm another example that you don't need super teams to win the Maison. At least the trophies. Or at least the triples trophy. One out of five ain't bad. I think my true talent lies in nicknaming pokemon.
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2014
  9. Alphanex20

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    You could give it flame charge, does a bit of (sun-boosted) damage and suddenly your zard Y is faster than anything that is not scarfed, and if you get two off then that's a wrap.
  10. icu812

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    You saw nothing.

    Standard Poison Heal Gliscor has Toxic, no surprises there. It does quite well in rotation.
  11. Faroth

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    Hey again guys!!! I'm here to bring my latest Super Triple Record:

    569!!!!

    How did I made it?? Well... after a LOT of changes in many partys, I came with a plan (later I realized that was similar to Eppie's): Mat-Blocking so my infamous fluffy killer could set-up, and after that, just kill everything. With the ocasional Tailwind so my back-ups could be more secure.

    The Proof:
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    A couple of Pics of my way there xD
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    Mockingjay (Talonflame) (F) @ Shell Bell
    Ability: Gale Wings
    EVs: 252 Atk / 6 SDef / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    IVs: 31/31/31/13/31/31
    - Brave Bird
    - Flare Blitz
    - Tailwind
    - U-turn

    Her ability is just crazy. Fast and strong. Shell Bell for her to last longer. She's very reliable. And the Tailwind setter in half the ocasions. Specially:
    - When the other team has fast pokemon.
    - When there is no risk of Trick Room
    - When She's probably going down in the turn (Jolteon, Aerodactyl or Scarf probability)


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    DEATH (Azumarill) (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Huge Power
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    IVs: 31/31/31/8/31/31
    - Belly Drum
    - Aqua Jet
    - Play Rough
    - Superpower

    This guy is AMAZING (He's name in honor of the Terry Pratchett's character). He needs just 1 turn to bring distruction to ANY type of team. Fluffy and cute enough for Jolteon and Electrode priorize my other leads, and after the second turn, he's just crazy killer. Aqua Jet can really trash almost anything (or at least bring it so low it can be killed with any other attack). And under Trick Room, he becomes even more powerful. Play Rough can smash literally anything and Superpower is saved fot the steel type. Only in a couple ocasions I coudn't set him up. Only a couple in almost 570.


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    Shakespeare (Greninja) (M) @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Protean
    EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 31/16/31/31/31/31
    - Mat Block
    - Dark Pulse
    - Ice Beam
    - Grass Knot

    The protector. Always Mat-Block in the first turn. Thats the LAW. After that, he's crazy good. Fast, strong, and Protean can totaly ruin the AI.

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    Hulk (Heracross) (M) @ Heracronite
    Ability: Swarm
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    IVs: 31/31/31/13/31/31
    - Pin Missile
    - Arm Thrust
    - Bullet Seed
    - Rock Blast

    THE HULK. He has 1 Job: Transform and Smash. One of my favourite pokemon of all time. Bulky enough to endure many type of hits, Fast enough under Tailwind to outspeed a TON of Maison pokemon, and slow enough without Tailwind to be safe under Trick Room. He's move pool makes him never land a not-effective attack, and he can make any bulky pokemon go back crying to mama. I just love him.


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    Volcano (Typhlosion) (M) @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Blaze
    EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 31/21/31/31/31/31
    - Eruption
    - Solar Beam
    - Focus Blast
    - Protect

    He also has just 1 Job: Erupt. Thats why he's name is Volcano. Because he makes Eruption. Nothing more. Nothing less. Under Tailwind he has 304 speed, so nothing outspeeds him. Modest and Choice Specs make his Eruption so strong it can kill the 3 other pokemon at once.


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    The Janitor (Hydreigon) (M) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 31/6/31/31/31/31
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Dark Pulse
    - Flash Cannon
    - Flamethrower

    Janitor is actually my Team Cleaner. Under Tailwind he outspeeds everything 2. And with 2 STAB attack that can hit anything on the field... well... he really is made for cleaning up the things that survive all my other beasts. The only bad thing of him is his x4 weakness against Fairy. But it really never gave me that much of a trouble.



    How did I lost:
    Well. I got used to use Tailwind only in the right ocasions, 'cause some Trick Roomers gave me a lot of trouble (specially Cresselia). And so I learned in wich battles Tailwind was necessary and in wich battles it wasn't.
    The thing is, in Battle 570 I got a Hippowdon and a Excadrill. I didn't remember at the moment about SAND RUSH, Making that Excadrill a real threat. He was. I didn't Tailwind and he attacked with Rock Slide. Mockingjay was down... and I though "Well... its no that big of a deal, I still got my DEATH. He kills everything". But a message destroyed all my hopes: Shakespeare is flinched and couldn't protect DEATH :( Then I knew it was over. Scizor Bug Bited Shakespeare (Super Efective to dark) and kills him. DEATH makes his belly drum and goes to the red, turning into an easy target to Hippowdon's EQ (otherwise, EQ never gave me trouble). After that, I knew it was all over. Without Tailwind on my side it was almost impossible for me to turn the table. In fact, I played the mock battle many times and I won each one of them only making tailwind (or Shakespeare Mat Blocking). Well.... it was absolutely my mistake: Next time, anticipate Sand Rush.

    Some Battle Videos:

    #450: XCHG-WWWW-WWW6-8R34
    An Example of my party in accion.

    #453: BL3G-WWWW-WWW6-8R39
    An Example against a Legendary Trainer (Veteran).

    #504: RM6W-WWWW-WWW6-8R3F
    A battle against a Trick Room party that gave me a little bit more trouble than usual.

    #570: U67G-WWWW-WWW6-8R3J
    The one I Lost. Damn Sand Rush :(


    Thank you guys for your attention. Feel free to use my party to win some battles :D
    I would appreciate if Eppie uploads my record (And the one I posted earlier, in page 48, about me winning the 5 trophys in Feb. 1st. He never saw that aparently :( )
  12. Hozu

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    I don't think anyone has got the natures or EV investment of the Maison bosses yet, so I'll start with the super triples boss.

    Regirock Sturdy Adamant 252HP/252Atk Luminous Moss Ice Punch/Rock Slide/Drain Punch/Earthquake
    Registeel Light Metal Jolly 252Atk/252Spe King's Rock Rock Polish/Earthquake/Iron Head/Thunder Punch
    Regice Clear Body Impish 252HP/252SpDef Zoom Lens Thunder/Blizzard/Focus Blast/Thunder Wave
    Articuno Pressure Jolly 252Atk/252Spe Charti Berry Frost Breath/Reflect/Steel Wing/U-Turn
    Zapdos Static Naive 252SpAtk/252Spe Petaya Berry Thunder/Light Screen/Rain Dance/Drill Peck
    Moltres Flame Body Modest 252SpAtk/252Spe White Herb Overheat/Air Slash/Tailwind/Will-O-Wisp

    Abilities are forced for the boss' Pokémon, no?

    ...I think this is the worst boss I've ever seen in the history of Frontiers.

    Edit: For doubles

    Suicune Pressure Timid 252SpAtk/252Spe Lum Berry Icy Wind/Surf/Blizzard/Protect
    Latios Levitate Bold 252HP/252Def Lax Incense Calm Mind/Luster Purge/Dragon Pulse/Recover
    Entei Flash Fire Adamant 252HP/252Atk Life Orb Sacred Fire/Iron Head/Stone Edge/Protect
    Raikou Pressure Timid 252SpAtk/252Spe Air Balloon Thunderbolt/Volt Switch/Shadow Ball/Protect
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  13. Tortoise

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    I'm fairly certain the Maison bosses' pokes are listed on the Maison pokes spreadsheet. As far as I can tell, the ability for Maison bosses' pokes are also not fixed, as I've played the Super Doubles boss twice and saw different abilities each time.
  14. Hozu

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    I see... well, I suppose if anyone runs into something that's not in the spreadsheet, this tool can reveal the set when used in combination with this one. Have a partner do the process with you so you can reveal the info of opponent's Pokémon, then keep saving to that same battle video slot as you run into something that's missing, then export the .pk6 data.
  15. Daenym

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    Rotation is such a ridiculous category.

    Got a 106 streak, which I'm thoroughly unhappy with.

    JTAG-WWWW-WWW6-96QB is the loss at 107.

    It's not the first battle that's had the same kind of nonsense. Instead of going for attacks that seem reasonable, the AI "predicts" my rotations and utterly wrecks me. I guess I need to look into research on the Rotation AI? Normally the opponent goes for the most damaging move unless it has a setup/status move to prioritize, right? For Rotation, I can't tell if it's just a random attack, or what.

    Anyway, I still enjoy the team.

    Azumarill @ Sitrus Berry
    Adamant
    252 Atk, 44 speed, the rest in HP I think?
    Belly Drum
    Aqua Jet
    Brick Break
    Play Rough

    I don't have a default lead, exactly, Azumarill just happened to be the lead this time. The goal is to get him set up, using Latias and Aegislash to play around the opponent until I've got a good chance to take a resisted hit from something, then Belly Drum. After that, he's usually content to spam +6 Aqua Jet, but occasionally the other moves come into play if he's still got around 50% HP. Once he's set up, he's able to sweep more than a few teams, if they lack a good Water resist.

    Aegislash @ Leftovers
    Brave
    252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 SpDef
    Swords Dance
    Shadow Sneak
    Sacred Sword
    King's Shield

    One of the two defenders, of sorts. The goal with Aegislash is to get a SD or two while taking hits Azumarill isn't a fan of. After that, +2 or +4 Shadow Sneak does a wonderful job of picking things off. Sacred Sword for both the coverage and the little bit of added power over Shadow Sneak. King's Shield is more useful in Rotation than Doubles, certainly, since I can try to catch the occasional physical hit and really gimp something.

    Latias @ Brightpowder
    Timid
    252 HP, 252 Speed, 4 SpAtk
    Dragon Pulse
    Energy Ball
    Psychic
    Calm Mind

    One of the reasons I wanted Latias is that it has a pretty nice type synergy with Aegislash and Azumarill (as I'm writing this, I realize the type similarity to Suizorous). However, if I had to pick a weak link on the team, I'd say it's probably this one. Energy Ball is a move I really prefer having, especially with how many Swamperts I seem to run into. Dragon Pulse for STAB, and I went with Psychic over Psyshock because I've already got so much hitting on the physical spectrum.

    I'm really on the fence both about the EVs and the moveset. Roost gives it more longevity, but at the expense of an attack. Toxic is a way to weaken stuff more indirectly, but I'm not sure I want to try and play the stall game, necessarily? And there's always Draco Meteor, but I'm not convinced I want to be stuck with -2 SpAtk, especially when switching is such a bad option in Rotation.

    What Latias really needs is her Mega Stone. Chop chop.

    Dragonite @ Lum Berry
    Jolly
    252 Atk, 252 Speed, 4 in something else
    Dragon Dance
    Outrage
    Fire Punch
    Earthquake

    Nothing special here. It does what Dragonite does. One turn of DD, then hit stuff really hard. The only reason Dragonite couldn't pull it off in battle 107 was because I had no "right" move at the end. 2 of them were immune to EQ, 2 of them wouldn't die to Fire Punch, and I was scared of being locked into Outrage against Heatran. In hindsight, I guess I should've just gone for Outrage. :/


    Also, I only did battles 51-107 with this team. I used a Mega Ttar / Aron / Aegislash / Garchomp combination for the first 50 battles, and it worked really well. I just wanted something a bit more interesting.
  16. Snail489

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    Regarding the bosses, the movesets, Nature + EVs and items are always the same. Abilities have never been fixed in any facility (as far as I recall), and the bosses in this facility don't have fixed ability Pokemon either. In fact I think the only change they've made at all to determining abilities is that all Hidden Abilities are now included (randomly) as potential abilities.
  17. Alphanex20

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    Even the unrealeased ones, it was the Maison that confirmed that Adaptability Dragalge and Rock Head Tyrantrum exist but are unobtainable (GF trolling us I swear!!!).
  18. Storm Eagle

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    Is anyone here any good at Rotations, and can help me on my team?
  19. DrDimentio

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    My Super Doubles team is currently at a 100 streak... here's my previous post showing the team:
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/battle-maison-discussion-records.3492706/page-50#post-5228802

    I only just noticed that on the Super Doubles leaderboard, the 10th-place person happened to use exactly the same Landorus-T moveset - it's honestly a pure coincidence that I thought of using Landorus-T and that exact moveset to support Charizard-Y.

    Also, the only thing preventing me from having all 5 Maison trophies is that I'm still waiting to meet a friend for Super Multi battles - none of my AI choices are good, and the AI is stupid no matter what they use.
  20. CJorex

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    Are the AI pokemon you given by a particular friend code the same for everyone? If so, I was thinking that maybe we could set up some kind of spreadsheet for people to submit their codes, so it is easier to find a good AI partner
    StarKO and cant say like this.
  21. Tortoise

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    Storm Eagle what pokes are you using for Rotation currently? I find that for Rotation, it is very useful to have pokes that cover each others' weaknesses (preferably immune to each others' weakness!). Another popular strategy that I've seen is to use a Dual Screener as part of the first 3, set up screens and let a set-up poke go to town killing stuff.

    CJorex As far as I'm aware, each FC generates a unique combination of pokes, so yeah, might take a while before you find a good AI partner to play Super Multi. A spreadsheet would certainly help those that are still looking for good AI partners, but I'm not too sure how many people are still looking around for good partners (I'd imagine a large chunk of the Maison challengers have found a good AI partner by now).
  22. CJorex

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  23. J. Bauer

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    Super Singles Monument, looks strikingly similar to the Triples Monument. I feel like I won a classy bowling tournament, they look like bowling pins with top hats.
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    My more thought out and crafted team with the Pokemon I had lying around. Switched their move sets around for Maison and optimized their held items. Here they are...
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    Puff T.M.D. (Dragonite) @ Lum Berry (That Lum Berry saved my skin so many times, he would get confused or poisoned and I would forget I had it and ride an emotional roller coaster every time I got statused then cured then Outraged or Earthquaked a OHKO, so nice)
    Ability: Multiscale
    IV: 31/31/31/x/31/31
    EV: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Outrage
    - Dragon Dance
    - Fire Punch
    - Earthquake (This move was so money, it didn't even know it)

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    Lando (Landorus) @ Choice Band
    Ability: Sand Force
    IV: 31/31/31/31/31/30 (My first and only RNG I scored all by myself, and I did 30 speed for HP Ice with a Jolly, doh)
    EV: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Stone Edge (Came in handy more times than I would have liked with 80% accuracy, but had no major misses)
    - Explosion (used only once and I didn't really need to, just an insurance policy)
    - Brick Break (for accuracy over Hammer Arm, though rarely used)
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    Keymaster (Klefki) @ Sitrus Berry (Are you the Gatekeeper?)
    Ability: Prankster
    IV: 31/x/31/31/31/31
    EV: 252 HP / 252 Def
    Bold Nature
    - Flash Cannon (started with Foul Play but feared pesky Fairies and needed the Special Attack against Rock which it did come in handy for both)
    - Draining Kiss (Week though still effective for walling when necessary, and it was on occasion)
    - Light Screen
    - Reflect

    Pretty straightforward, use the Maison spreadsheet, Dragon Dance when possible with low risk of being haxed. Switch in Lando or Keymaster for typing if necessary, and switch in Keymaster to wall an even matchup that would give Puff The Magic Dragon and Lando trouble. Which did happen once or twice and almost did me in, for example in battle 20 I took on a Tentacruel, Crobat, and Umbreon Set 1. With some miscues on my part I was in an epic wall battle with Keymaster outlasting Umbreon until he struggled to death. I was enjoying a few beers as well so excuse my play but here's the code:

    2NUG-WWWW-WWW6-AGZG

    Also battle 48 where a Rhyperior starter gave me trouble and my Earthquake locked Lando squeaked out a W
    QBYG-WWWW-WWW6-AGZN

    And the big 5-0, Puff T.M.D. stole this one all by himself.
    8ECG-WWWW-WWW6-AGZT
  24. Nex1234

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    I finally got my 5 trophies. Thanks for all the help that was given to me in this thread.

    Super Singles
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    Kangaskhan @ Kangashkanite (Lead)
    Ability: Scrappy / Parental Bond
    Nature: Jolly
    IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31
    EV: Attk 252 Spd 252 HP 6
    Moveset: Fake out/Return/Power up Punch/Sucker Punch

    Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
    Nature: Impish
    IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31
    EV: HP 252 SpDef 252 Def 6
    Moveset: Earthquake/Protect/Aerial Ace/Toxic

    Chansey @ Evolite
    Ability: Natural Cure
    Nature:Bold
    IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31
    EV: HP 252 Def 252 SpDef 6
    Moveset: Seismic Toss/Soft-boiled/Protect/Toxic

    Basically sweep as much as you can with Mega Kangaskhan, and swap with Chansey or Gliscor with whatever situation is given during the match.

    As for Aerial Ace on Gliscor, you can put something else in there if you like, but I like to use Aerial Ace just so I don't miss opponents when they spam increase evasion or decrease accuracy.


    Super Doubles
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    Credit goes to SqueakySquirtle for his awesome team. Helped me get the Super Double Trophy.

    Cresselia @ Mental Herb (Lead)
    Ability: Levitate
    Nature: Relaxed
    IV: 31/x/31/31/31/0
    EV: 252 HP/108 Def/148 SpDef
    Moveset: Trick Room/Psychic/Ice Beam/Helping Hand

    Aron lvl 1 @ Berry Juice (Lead)
    Ability: Sturdy
    Nature: Brave
    IV: 0/0/0/0/0/0
    EV: No EVs
    Moveset: Endeavor/Protect/Swagger/Toxic

    Machamp @ Focus Sash
    Ability: No Guard
    Nature: Brave
    IV: 31/31/31/31/31/0
    EV: 252 HP 252 Attk 4 SpDef
    Moveset: DynamicPunch/Stone Edge/Knock Off/Protect

    Mawile @ Mawilite
    Ability: Intimidate/Huge Power
    Nature: Brave
    IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/0
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Attk/4 SpDef
    Moveset: Play Rough/Iron Head/Ice Punch/Sucker Punch




    Super Triple

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    Credit goes to Snail489 for his awesome team. Helped me get my Super Triple Trophy.

    Charizard @ Charizardite Y (Lead)
    Ability:Blaze
    Nature:Timid
    IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31
    EV: 252 SpAtt 6 SpDef 252 Spd
    Moveset: Beat Up/Flamethrower/Solarbeam/Protect

    Terrakion @ Wide Lens (Lead)
    Ability:Justified
    Nature: Adamant
    IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31
    EV: 252 Atk 6 SpDef 252 Spd
    Moveset:Rock Slide/Earthquake/Sacred Sword/Protect

    Latias @ Focus Sash (Lead)
    Ability: Levitate
    Nature: Timid
    IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31
    EV: 252 HP 6 Def 252 Spd
    Moveset: Tailwind/Helping Hand/Thunder Wave/Sunny Day

    EVENT Oblivia: Heatran @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Flash Fire
    Nature: Quiet
    IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31
    EV: 252 SpA 6 SpDef 252 Spd
    Moveset: Eruption/Earth Power/Solar Beam/Dragon Pulse

    Camerupt @ Life Orb
    Ability: Solid Rock
    Nature: Timid
    IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31
    EV: 6 HP 252 SpAttk 252 Spd
    Moveset: Eruption/Earth Power/Solar Beam/Lava Plume

    Talonflame @ Sharp Beak
    Ability:Gale Wings
    Nature: Adamant
    IV: 31/31/31/0/31/31
    EV: 252 Attk 252 Spd 6 HP
    Moveset: Brave Bird/Flare Blitz/Swords Dance/Tailwind


    Super Rotation

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    Gengar @ Focus Sash (Lead)
    Ability: Levitate
    Nature: Timid
    IV: 31/0/31/31/31/31
    EV: 252 Spd 252 SpAttk 6 HP
    Moveset: Destiny Bond/Energy Ball/Shadow Ball/Sludge Bomb

    Kangaskhan @ Kangashkanite
    Ability: Scrappy / Parental Bond
    Nature:Adamant
    IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31
    EV: Attk 252 Spd 252 HP 6
    Moveset: Fake out/Return/Power up Punch/Sucker Punch

    Azumarill @ Choice Band
    Ability: Huge Power
    Nature: Adamant
    IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31
    EV: 252 Attk 252 Spd 6 HP
    Moveset: Aqua Jet/Play Rough/Superpower/ Ice Punch

    Gliscor @ Toxic Orb (Back-up)
    Ability: Poison Heal
    Nature: Impish
    IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31
    EV: HP 252 SpDef 252 Def 6
    Moveset: Earthquake/Protect/Aerial Ace/Toxic

    I basically lead with Gengar, sweep as much as possible, then finish it off with Gliscor or Kangaskhan. Depending on the situation of the fight, I rarely use Azumarill. I just have her in there in case something is about to faint, I get Azumarill to finish them off.


    Super Multi
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    AI Pokemon:
    Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf (lead)
    Abilitiy: Blaze
    Moveset: Eruption/Focus Blast/Heat Wave/Extrasensory

    Gastrodon @ Leftovers (back-up)
    Ability: Storm Drain
    Moveset:/Sandstorm/Earth Power/Surf/Recover

    http://www.serebii.net/xy/maisonpartner.shtml (Info on the type of pokemon AI partner have)

    My Pokemon:
    Ninetales @ Wise Glasses (lead)
    Nature: Timid
    Ability: Drought
    IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31
    EV: 252 Speed 252 Special Attack 6 HP
    Moveset: Flamethrower/Hypnosis/Extrasensory/Solar Beam

    Kangaskhan @ Kangaskhanite (Back-up)
    Ability: Scrappy / Parental Bond
    Nature: Jolly
    IV: 31/31/31/31/31/31
    EV: 252 Attack 252 Speed 6HP
    Moveset: Fake Out/Return/Sucker Punch/Power up Punch

    My thought process while deciding which pokemon to use was to make sure my AI gets an attack off, and power them up as much as I can. Since Typhlosion has Choice Scarf he would be able to get off an attack before you're opponent. With a full HP Typhlosion and sun set by Ninetales, he would be able to sweep, unless there are pokemon type with Rock/Water. Then you would use Solarbeam to knock out that pokemon. Worst case scenario, you get match up against an Aerodactyl/Archeops. Aerodactyl's super speed and rock slide will wreck Ninetales and Typhlosion, even worse case would be a flinch. You probably can get off an attack or 2 against Archeops due to his lower speed compared to Aerodactyl, but his attacks hit harder than Aerodactyl.

    If sweeping with Typhlosion and Ninetales doesn't work, I proceed with Mega Kangaskhan. Gastrodon can basically take most hits except for grass which Gastrodon is 4x weak against. With that in mind, I would use Mega Kangaskhan to fake out that pokemon first. Keep in mind that Gastrodon have really bad speed thus will attack last. Gastrodon will most likely use Surf or Earth Power to knock out the pokemon. With Kangaskhan's and Gastrodon bulk and they can take 1 hit before they get knocked out.

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  25. DrDimentio

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    Maison Super Doubles: 167 streak

    I finally lost with my fun, simple team which went much further than expected. Only 2 battles short of making the top 10 for doubles, all this effort was thus wasted.

    The battles were actually fun, which is not the case when I use AI-exploitation teams. This team doesn't rely on fancy tricks apart from the occasional Imprison - it's mostly raw power. Double spread-moves are good for eliminating Focus Sashes, and Heat Wave misses were surprisingly rare. Running max speed on all 4 Pokemon was definitely the right choice for this kind of team.


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    Charizard @ Charizardite Y
    Nature: Timid
    Ability: Blaze -> Drought
    EVs: 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed, 4 HP
    - Heat Wave
    - Solar Beam
    - Protect
    - Ancient Power

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    Typhlosion @ Choice Scarf
    Nature: Timid
    Ability: Blaze
    EVs: 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed, 4 HP
    - Eruption
    - Solar Beam
    - Heat Wave
    - Hidden Power [Ice]

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    Landorus-T @ Wide Lens
    Nature: Jolly
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Slide
    - Stone Edge
    - Imprison

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    Latios @ Life Orb
    Nature: Timid
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed, 4 HP
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Psychic
    - Draco Meteor
    - Thunderbolt

    Here are some interesting/close battles:

    HZSG-WWWW-WWW6-AS9V - Battle 85, Milotic/Braviary/Starmie/Gardevoir

    Milotic survives Solar Beam + Eruption, Charizard dies to Giga Impact. Milotic also survives second Eruption, Rests to full HP. Landorus' Intimidate gives +2 to Milotic's Sp. Atk... forgot about Competitive.

    ZYCG-WWWW-WWW6-ASAZ - Battle 89, Tyranitar/Bastiodon/Volcarona/Aerodactyl

    Switch Typhlosion to Landorus-T, Charizard Mega Evolves + Protects. Landorus Imprisons Rock Slide. Bastiodon's Wide Guard protects it from EQ, Charizard almost KOs Volcarona with Ancient Power, but it then Quiver Dances and KOs Landorus-T. Aerodactyl tries to Stone Edge Charizard when I Protect.

    98ZW-WWWW-WWW6-ASBB - Battle 119, Raikou/Regirock/Moltres/Virizion

    I Mega Evolve + Protect Charizard, Raikou tries to Thunderbolt it. Typhlosion barely survives 2 Rock Slides, switches out so it can later return for potential Blaze-boosted Heat Waves.

    UT7G-WWWW-WWW6-ASBT - Battle 133, Golem/Medicham/Breloom/Chesnaught

    I switch out Typhlosion for Latios and Charizard for Landorus-T, since the risk of Fake Out means I can't do the usual Eruption + Solar Beam to KO a Rock-type. Latios OHKOs Chesnaught and Breloom.

    BQQW-WWWW-WWW6-ASCY - Battle 154, Conkeldurr/Aerodactyl/Tyranitar/Krookodile

    I Mega Evolve + Protect Charizard, predicting the Stone Edge from Aerodactyl. I then switch out Charizard for Landorus-T, and Typhlosion uses Heat Wave instead of Eruption… only do this when I'm expecting Typhlosion to be in Blaze range the next turn, for higher damage overall than a full-HP Eruption followed by a pathetic low-HP Eruption. Typhlosion barely survives Mach Punch due to Intimidate, Heat Wave KOs stuff. Landorus-T Imprisons Tyranitar before I finish it off.

    RTZW-WWWW-WWW6-ASD5 - Battle 168 (my loss), Gyarados/Archeops/Drifblim/Jolteon

    The lead combo was one of the worst for my team to face, and the 2 backups were also quite bad - mainly because of Jolteon's speed and Drifblim's bulk + Shadow Ball vs. Latios. Overall I played badly - unwise decisions such as Heat Wave instead of Eruption let Gyarados barely survive; very bad when it has already Dragon Danced. Just had to face the most troublesome Gyarados and Archeops sets - Sitrus Berry means I can't wear it down with 2 Eruptions, and it gets out of Defeatist HP range. It would've been a tough battle no matter what I did.

    As a fitting end to my post and my barely non-qualifying streak, the trainer who defeated me says this:

    "Don't get mad over something like this. There are things in this world more worthy of anger."
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