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Data Battle Mechanics Research

Discussion in 'Competitive Discussion' started by ΩDonut, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. BlakDragon

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    I recently learned something cool about Flower Veil.

    Not only does the bearer of the ability protect its grass-type allies from stat reduction,
    it protects them from non-volatile status ailments as well (burn, poison, paralysis, sleep, freeze).
    I read an article on Nugget Bridge and the author mentioned how FV protects his gourgeist from such ailments such as Smeargle's Dark Void.
    I then went into Le Nah with those two guys and had florges try to toxic gourgeist. It failed due to her ability.

    Regarding Lightning Rod: ground-type bearers of the ability will draw in the move Electrify and receive the special attack boost, despite ground guys being immune to electric-type attacks.
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  2. SorrySleeping

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    I was wondering if someone could help me understand what is happening with Round in this battle. Round should let multiple pokemon skip the regular turn order to use Round one after another. However, in triple battles it just seems to "forget" about this rule. I've lost many battles in Battle Maison due to Round not working correctly.

    I have a battle video that finally shows off everything (most of the times when it doesn't work, Aurorus gets KO'd in the first turn and people can just yell "You didn't select Round for it"). Turn one, Registeel breaks the Round Spam with a Rock Polish. Turn two, Gardevoir is now the slowest member of the team, and the Round combo goes off even with Registeel using Rock Polish again.


    WMMW - WWWW - WWW5 - RZ2V
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    Yeah SorrySleeping something seems weird with Round (as pointed out by Theorymon earlier in the thread) but I'm not quite sure what it is, and don't have the proper tools to test it.
  4. BlakDragon

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    Big Root does not increase the health gained from Grassy Terrain.
  5. SorrySleeping

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    I need to look through the thread, since I'm not sure what page Theorymon posted, but Round only goes up to 120 BP. Also the battle video post shows despite the break, Aurorus's Round does have 120 BP. Annoyingly, the PokemonShowdown Calculator doesn't have "Roud" as a Move.

    252+ SpA Choice Specs Refrigerate Aurorus (No Move) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Regirock: 348-409 (115.6 - 135.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252+ SpA Choice Specs Refrigerate Aurorus (No Move) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Regirock: 174-205 (57.8 - 68.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

    I have another Video that shows 5 pokemon using Round, again broken by nothing.
    Prygon -Z Round, Greninja Round, Gardevoir Round, Armaldo Rock Polish, Florges Round, Aurorus Round.
    R24G - WWWW - WWW5 - S8LA

    4 SpA Florges (No Move) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Porygon-Z: 61-72 (19.5 - 23%) -- possible 5HKO
    4 SpA Florges (No Move) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Porygon-Z: 121-143 (38.7 - 45.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
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  7. SorrySleeping

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    Oh, it was on the previous page. ~_~

    I'm doing some more BP grinding in Battle Maison tomorrow, I'll try to write down results. It seems every time a "perfect combo" of Round goes off, the next turn will fail, even if it is in the next battle.
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    Dunno if this was tested already, but Reflect Type does not cure Paralysis or Burn if RT is used on an Electric or Fire type respectively. Tested in Le Nah with a Mew, Jolteon, and Pyroar.

    I want to test something involving Forest's Curse and Grass immunities next, but I need other people for that since it requires three mons...
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    Does Mold Breaker suppress any of Fairy Aura, Dark Aura and Aura Break?
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  10. VaporeonIce

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    My thoughts regarding Round: In both of SorrySleeping's second case, Florges outsped Aurorus, regardless of whether or not it used Round. In SorrySleeping's first case, Aurorus was interrupted, but Gardevoir was not, even when Gardevoir was slower.

    I'm thinking it might have something to do with the positioning of the Pokemon that use Round. In all cases, Porygon-Z is the "Round starter." When the opposing Pokemon on the opposite side used Round (Greninja), we can't tell whether the chain was broken or not, because the order for the rest of the turn proceeded according to speed. It's hard to guess what happens when an opposing Pokemon interrupts the chain because of that (though you could do some experiments with mock battles). But I'm guessing that the second Round Pokemon will always immediately follow the first, regardless of position. It's possible that, after that, the turn order is influenced by the position of the Pokemon. I'm thinking that maybe the third Pokemon needs to be adjacent to the Round starter to continue the chain. That would explain why Gardevoir (adjacent to P-Z) continued the chain while Aurorus did not.

    EDIT: Never mind, that's not consistent with Theorymon's battle, where Aurorus outsped Manectric on the first turn. Maybe, after the second user of Round, subsequent users have a chance of continuing the chain, but it's not a sure thing? That's the only thing I can think of. I was thinking that the opponent using non-damaging moves might interrupt the chain, but Reuniclus was outsped by a Hydro Pump Rotom-W and an EQ Mamoswine.
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    If Sticky Web is on the opponent's field, and a Pokemon uses Gravity while the foe has out a flying-type or Levitator, do they fall to the ground and get the Speed-reduction, or just become grounded?
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    Does this only happen with electrify? I thought usually type immunities were checked before ability immunities
  13. BlakDragon

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    Checked some of the other electric-type status attacks.
    Eerie Impulse is redirected by and boosts a ground-type bearer of Lightning Rod.
    Electric Terrain and Ion Deluge don't trigger Lightning Rod.
    Thunder Wave and electric-type damaging attacks are still redirected by Lightning Rod but does not give the ground-type the boost.
    Did not test Magnetic Flux because it fails if no bearer of Plus or Minus is out there with the user of the move.
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    Ah.

    Gaining Grass type does not provide an immunity to Powder on the same turn.

    Tested with Vivillon, Trevenant, Torkoal, and a passive fourth mon:

    Vivillon uses Powder on Torkoal
    fourth mon does nothing
    Trevenant uses Forest's Curse on Torkoal
    Torkoal attempts to use Lava Plume, takes damage instead
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    Does it provide an immunity to powder if they obtain the grass type before being hit with the powder move? Or has that already been proven somewhere (and I just can't find it)?
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    Theoretically it would, although the only way to test this would be to Skill Swap Prankster onto a Trevenant and give Vivillon a Lagging Tail since Powder is a priority move.
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    I know this is a really late reply, but since the item transfers before the attack, what happens if florges is holding a normal gem as well? Does it activate on the tackle on well? If so, how does that affect damage?
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    Can Recycle...recycle Air Balloon now? Have Recycle mechanics changed at all?
  19. Caramelqueen

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    I'm quite certain that recycle only applies to items that the user had actually used up. As air balloon isn't consumed but instead destroyed, it wouldn't be able to be recycled right?
  20. Psywaves

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    Mold Breaker only ignores effects of abilities that negatively affect your moves, so if I recall, Mold Breaker won't stop these abilities from functioning. Say if it was a Mold Breaker Pokémon using Crunch, I assume it would still be powered by Dark Aura (as it increases damage output from all Pokemon on the field as opposed to negating or decreasing). Forgive me if I am at all incorrect.
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    http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-99235611
    I tested this out, and Pidgey's speed was not lowered upon becoming grounded, despite the presence of Sticky Web.
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    Mold Breaker ignores Light Metal even if the attacker uses Heavy Slam (when Light Metal would empower the attack).
    Similarly, it could be said that the Auras weaken the attacks if Aura Break is in effect. That's why I am asking.
  23. Psywaves

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    Yeah, I suppose I ought to have taken that into account. Apologies for my ignorance :/
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    I don't think showdown is supposed to count as a source for verifying game mechanics.

    I'll see if I can get a friend later so I can test this in-game.

    Edit: while I'm doing this I guess I'll test the mold breaker thing as well.

    It'll be a double battle with rampardos, yvetal, a zygarde for more testing and some random tanky pokemon I guess. Have neither yveltal or zygarde out and test damage, put yveltal out and test and then throw in zygarde and test.
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    Yeah, you got me there. I should have been bothered to test it out in-game first , since Battle Mechanics are always in need of careful research on Showdown. My bad :o

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