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Battle Spot Teambuilding & Help Thread (SuMo Edition Reloaded 2.0)

Discussion in 'Battle Spot' started by ethan06, Dec 6, 2016.

  1. Alugia7

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    you have suggested replacing pheromosa, but that would make tapus worse, and make the (SO annoying)gon2 a threat, which is the primary reason why i am using phermmosa.

    also, i have tried running ferro and fini before (failed)

    That replay is on a broken, haxed latter. that battle should not have even started (that is the ~15th copy of a horrible battle with a annoying opponent)

    (also there is the red text below the post for a reason)
  2. cant say

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    How is Pheromosa better at beating the Tapus than Porygon2? Maybe Tapu Bulu since it actually dies to a Poison Jab, but you have plenty of answers to Bulu on the team already. I've already explained why Porygon2 is better than Pheromosa in this regard, and this is the second time you've replied with simply "no Phero is better." Focus Sash, Jump Kick Phero is also not a reliable Porygon2 check. You can't switch into P2 at all since it 2HKOes without investment, and Download sets can OHKO if your Sash is broken (by switching into Stealth Rock for example). Life Orb High Jump Kick can actually threaten P2, even Fightinium Z is a good option. Either way though, I still think Pheromosa doesn't fit on this team. You shouldn't be too scared of opposing P2 though, they really don't like fighting Aegislash. You could change Aegi to a Leftovers set with SubToxic which Porygon2 really hate facing.

    What were their sets? Which Pokemon did you replace with them? Were you even using this team or were you trying them on a completely different team? They seem to go with this team too well, Ferrothorn completely fixes your Swampert / rain problem.

    Wait what...? How was that match haxed? You got burned, they nullified your boosts with Haze and Recover stalled until they could bop you with Ice Beam. There was literally no hax, they just outplayed you. If you were using Double-Edge though, based on the damage Return did, you would have KOed that Milotic and possibly swept their team. You could also have possibly outstalled them by using Porygon2 like I suggested. A set with Toxic and Shadow Ball / Foul Play would have beaten the Milotic / Marowak core.

    Anyway, it doesn't look like you want to try any of my suggestions despite posting here for help. What things on your team are you actually willing to change? What things are you willing to try instead?
  3. Alugia7

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    When did primarina get ice beam(i have never seen one us it)
    I am questioning what opposing blaziken will do if they see a primarina, the suprice factor on z-greninja kills it unless there is .85 hax.
    (making gengar a threat is not a good idea)

    also, i am UNABLE to get porygon2

    and with the battle, the ladder is haxed becasue i kept on seeing the same annoying rude staller over and over again (twice is too much, 20 times is way too much)

    also, i am not running stall

    DW Edit: derail this thread again with your fixation against quotes and I'll personally remove your ability to make posts so you'll never be quoted again. Last chance.
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  4. cant say

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    If Z Greninja is going to be your only play against Blaziken then why not use Z Hydro Cannon? It's far more reliable at KOing Blaziken because you don't have to hope for a 3 hit Water Shuriken.
    • 252 SpA Greninja Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Blaziken through Protect: 81-96 (51.9 - 61.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    • 252 SpA Greninja Water Shuriken (2 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Blaziken: 60-72 (38.4 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
      • Total = 90.3 - 107.6% (46% chance to 2HKO)
    • 252 SpA Greninja Hydro Vortex (200 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Blaziken through Protect: 87-103 (55.7 - 66%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    • 252 SpA Greninja Water Shuriken (2 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Blaziken: 60-72 (38.4 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
      • Total = 94.1 - 112.1% (69% chance to 2HKO)
    (This is super rough maths because I'm not that smart but the point is Hydro Cannon is better)

    You seem to be super scared of hax (as evidenced by you running Jump Kick instead of the far superior High Jump Kick), so minimizing that as much as possible should interest you. Hydro Cannon also has better accuracy than Hydro Pump. Yes you have to recharge if you ever use non-Z Hydro Cannon, but you only use it as a Z move or as you're about to get KOed / win the game. If you run into a Waterium Z Greninja in the higher ladder ranks you can be almost guaranteed it's using Hydro Cannon instead of Hydro Pump, and those guys seem to know what they're doing lol. Non-Life Orb Greninja is kinda weak, so it needs all the power it can get anyway.
    How did I make Gengar more of a threat?
    How? You can get a Porygon from Aether House, I'm sure you have Ditto to breed with, if not try the Giveaway Forum. Then find someone to trade with so you can evolve it into Porygon2. "I can't get [blank]" is a really pathetic excuse, you're on a Pokemon forum with many helpful people.
    How is running into the same person "hax"? Do you even know what hax means? Their team did not look very stally to me, and I'm not sure you're in any position to call anyone rude based on the way you spoke to them in the replay lol.
    Using one defensive Pokemon on your team is not "stall" lol. Stall is a playstyle / team archetype, not a way of describing one Pokemon. Using a Toxic Porygon2 to "stall out" a Milotic means simply outliving it while it spams Recover trying to stay alive, not using a Stall team...

    Anyway, you have again ignored the most important part of my last post, so I'll quote it again for you:
    Please try answering this in your next post. Anything else is not worth posting about.
  5. Fire Fist Ace

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    I have been trying to get my friend into on-cart ladders, and I can't really nail the sets on the head like I usually can. The team is focused on two cores wrapped together in the form of Blaziken, Ferrothorn, and Zapdos/MegaMence. We got Primarina thrown in there, but I'm not sure what to throw in as a 6th teammate, as a lot of ground is covered in weaknesses. I think somebody might be pretty good with this, so I'll drop it here.

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    To sum up the biggest problems of the team composition so far:

    - Unsure of nature of Zapdos
    - Unsure of nature of Blaziken
    - Physical or special MegaMence

    Other than that, we have it all set I think.
  6. Doobzi

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    Charizard may give you problems and the guess work involved in determining whether it's X or Y could often put you in an awkward position. I'd recommend:

    Nihilego @ Choice Scarf
    Timid
    252 sp.att/ 252 spe/ 4 def
    Power Gem
    Sludge Wave
    HP ice
    Thunderbolt/psyshock/psychic/stealth Rock

    I'd go defensive zapdos, bold with a defensive ev spread and toxic/roost/heatwave and thunderbolt or volt switch.

    Primarina is a solid 5th. Helps with glalie/eeveepass teams if you put perish song on it. I'd put the z+crystal on it.

    For mence id go with a bulky dragon dance set with subroost/dd/double-edge or return.

    Blaziken is so versatile but I think unless you're running mixed which requires a naïve nature. Adamant is most popular and perhaps effective.

    Just my two cents, hope this helps!

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