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Battle Spot Teambuilding & Help Thread (SuMo Edition Reloaded 2.0)

Discussion in 'Battle Spot' started by ethan06, Dec 6, 2016.

  1. cant say

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    How is Pheromosa better at beating the Tapus than Porygon2? Maybe Tapu Bulu since it actually dies to a Poison Jab, but you have plenty of answers to Bulu on the team already. I've already explained why Porygon2 is better than Pheromosa in this regard, and this is the second time you've replied with simply "no Phero is better." Focus Sash, Jump Kick Phero is also not a reliable Porygon2 check. You can't switch into P2 at all since it 2HKOes without investment, and Download sets can OHKO if your Sash is broken (by switching into Stealth Rock for example). Life Orb High Jump Kick can actually threaten P2, even Fightinium Z is a good option. Either way though, I still think Pheromosa doesn't fit on this team. You shouldn't be too scared of opposing P2 though, they really don't like fighting Aegislash. You could change Aegi to a Leftovers set with SubToxic which Porygon2 really hate facing.

    What were their sets? Which Pokemon did you replace with them? Were you even using this team or were you trying them on a completely different team? They seem to go with this team too well, Ferrothorn completely fixes your Swampert / rain problem.

    Wait what...? How was that match haxed? You got burned, they nullified your boosts with Haze and Recover stalled until they could bop you with Ice Beam. There was literally no hax, they just outplayed you. If you were using Double-Edge though, based on the damage Return did, you would have KOed that Milotic and possibly swept their team. You could also have possibly outstalled them by using Porygon2 like I suggested. A set with Toxic and Shadow Ball / Foul Play would have beaten the Milotic / Marowak core.

    Anyway, it doesn't look like you want to try any of my suggestions despite posting here for help. What things on your team are you actually willing to change? What things are you willing to try instead?
  2. Alugia7

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    When did primarina get ice beam(i have never seen one us it)
    I am questioning what opposing blaziken will do if they see a primarina, the suprice factor on z-greninja kills it unless there is .85 hax.
    (making gengar a threat is not a good idea)

    also, i am UNABLE to get porygon2

    and with the battle, the ladder is haxed becasue i kept on seeing the same annoying rude staller over and over again (twice is too much, 20 times is way too much)

    also, i am not running stall

    DW Edit: derail this thread again with your fixation against quotes and I'll personally remove your ability to make posts so you'll never be quoted again. Last chance.
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  3. cant say

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    If Z Greninja is going to be your only play against Blaziken then why not use Z Hydro Cannon? It's far more reliable at KOing Blaziken because you don't have to hope for a 3 hit Water Shuriken.
    • 252 SpA Greninja Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Blaziken through Protect: 81-96 (51.9 - 61.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    • 252 SpA Greninja Water Shuriken (2 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Blaziken: 60-72 (38.4 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
      • Total = 90.3 - 107.6% (46% chance to 2HKO)
    • 252 SpA Greninja Hydro Vortex (200 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Blaziken through Protect: 87-103 (55.7 - 66%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    • 252 SpA Greninja Water Shuriken (2 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Blaziken: 60-72 (38.4 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
      • Total = 94.1 - 112.1% (69% chance to 2HKO)
    (This is super rough maths because I'm not that smart but the point is Hydro Cannon is better)

    You seem to be super scared of hax (as evidenced by you running Jump Kick instead of the far superior High Jump Kick), so minimizing that as much as possible should interest you. Hydro Cannon also has better accuracy than Hydro Pump. Yes you have to recharge if you ever use non-Z Hydro Cannon, but you only use it as a Z move or as you're about to get KOed / win the game. If you run into a Waterium Z Greninja in the higher ladder ranks you can be almost guaranteed it's using Hydro Cannon instead of Hydro Pump, and those guys seem to know what they're doing lol. Non-Life Orb Greninja is kinda weak, so it needs all the power it can get anyway.
    How did I make Gengar more of a threat?
    How? You can get a Porygon from Aether House, I'm sure you have Ditto to breed with, if not try the Giveaway Forum. Then find someone to trade with so you can evolve it into Porygon2. "I can't get [blank]" is a really pathetic excuse, you're on a Pokemon forum with many helpful people.
    How is running into the same person "hax"? Do you even know what hax means? Their team did not look very stally to me, and I'm not sure you're in any position to call anyone rude based on the way you spoke to them in the replay lol.
    Using one defensive Pokemon on your team is not "stall" lol. Stall is a playstyle / team archetype, not a way of describing one Pokemon. Using a Toxic Porygon2 to "stall out" a Milotic means simply outliving it while it spams Recover trying to stay alive, not using a Stall team...

    Anyway, you have again ignored the most important part of my last post, so I'll quote it again for you:
    Please try answering this in your next post. Anything else is not worth posting about.
  4. Fire Fist Ace

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    I have been trying to get my friend into on-cart ladders, and I can't really nail the sets on the head like I usually can. The team is focused on two cores wrapped together in the form of Blaziken, Ferrothorn, and Zapdos/MegaMence. We got Primarina thrown in there, but I'm not sure what to throw in as a 6th teammate, as a lot of ground is covered in weaknesses. I think somebody might be pretty good with this, so I'll drop it here.

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    To sum up the biggest problems of the team composition so far:

    - Unsure of nature of Zapdos
    - Unsure of nature of Blaziken
    - Physical or special MegaMence

    Other than that, we have it all set I think.
  5. Doobzi

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    Charizard may give you problems and the guess work involved in determining whether it's X or Y could often put you in an awkward position. I'd recommend:

    Nihilego @ Choice Scarf
    Timid
    252 sp.att/ 252 spe/ 4 def
    Power Gem
    Sludge Wave
    HP ice
    Thunderbolt/psyshock/psychic/stealth Rock

    I'd go defensive zapdos, bold with a defensive ev spread and toxic/roost/heatwave and thunderbolt or volt switch.

    Primarina is a solid 5th. Helps with glalie/eeveepass teams if you put perish song on it. I'd put the z+crystal on it.

    For mence id go with a bulky dragon dance set with subroost/dd/double-edge or return.

    Blaziken is so versatile but I think unless you're running mixed which requires a naïve nature. Adamant is most popular and perhaps effective.

    Just my two cents, hope this helps!
  6. Fonzal

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    Hey everyone! I was wondering if you guys could help me out finishing my Battle Spot Singles team. I'm hoping to solve these two main discussion points:

    1. What is a good complimentary Mega to Charizard-Y?
    2. Which 6th Pokémon covers my remaining weaknesses well?

    Charizard @ Charizardite Y
    Ability: Blaze
    EV: 252 SPA / 252 SPE / 4 HP
    Nature: Timid
    - Flame Charge
    - Fire Blast
    - Solar Beam
    - Focus Blast

    Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Rough Skin
    EV: 252 ATK / 252 SPE / 4 SPD
    Nature: Jolly
    - Earthquake
    - Outrage
    - Poison Jab
    - Rock Tomb

    Tapu Koko @ Life Orb
    Ability: Electric Surge
    EV: 252 SPA / 252 SPE / 4 HP
    Nature: Timid
    - Thunderbolt
    - Dazzling Gleam
    - Grass Knot
    - Volt Switch

    Weavile @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Pickpocket
    EV: 252 ATK / 252 SPE / 4 HP
    Nature: Jolly
    - Ice Shard
    - Icicle Crash
    - Low Kick
    - Knock Off

    I feel like my opponent can decipher that I have Mega-Char-Y because I have Garchomp.
    I'm considering switching Volt Turn for U-turn on Koko for a guaranteed switch.
    As my second mega, I have been flipping between bulky M-Scizor and DD M-Gyarados. The 6th Pokémon has been switching between physically defensive Lando-T and Z-Primarina with Aqua Jet.

    Please let me know how you all would finish my team!
    Thanks,
    Fonzal
  7. Droontar

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    Hi guys! With the new megastones I can play with my favourite mega, Mega-Sceptile. I didn't know what teammates to bring in BSS playing a Speciall All-Out-Attacker set. Any recommendations?

    Sceptile @ Sceptilite
    Ability: Overgrow
    EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Giga Drain
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Hidden Power Fire
    - Earthquake
  8. Moose And Goose

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    Instead of M-scizor or M-Gyarados I would recommend trying out Physically Defensive Mega-Venusaur as a second mega because as your team currently stands it lacks bulk, and Venusaur helps your team out by helping to check a nice variety of mons that your team really doesn't like to take. Mainly Breloom & Sashed Chomper, but also Venu helps a bunch against good portion of physical attackers.
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    Venusaur-Mega @ Venusaurite
    Ability: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Bold Nature
    - Giga Drain
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Synthesis
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    This set is fairly standard. Stabs are self explanatory, and synthesis more reliable on venusaur than leech seed because no leftovers. Hp fire is almost exclusively to hit ferrothorn, which your team struggles against if you don't bring in Zard-Y. Chlorophyll mainly so that if you accidentally bring Zard-Y and Venusaur, you can still get a little speed boost. That said don't ever run both of them on purpose.

    As for a 6th slot I'd recommend:
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    Celesteela @ Leftovers
    Ability: Beast Boost
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
    Sassy Nature
    - Heavy Slam
    - Flamethrower
    - Leech Seed
    - Protect
    Celesteela compliments Venusaur-M well by covering Venusaur's flying and psychic weaknesses, while also adding special bulk to your team. Celesteela also completes a Dragon Steel Fairy core with koko and Chomper. Flamethrower is to hit ferrothorn, along with things weak to fire (duh), and leeck seed + protect is for the crazy amount of recovery it gives.

    OR...

    Another approach could be to go a with a little more offensive pressure (than Venusaur + Steela at least). This would be using Ferrothorn + Mega-Gengar. This gives you some bulk + the Dragon Steel Fairy core with Ferrothorn, along with the ability to trap threats with Gengar.
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    Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
    Ability: Iron Barbs
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
    Relaxed Nature
    IVs: 0 Spe
    - Gyro Ball
    - Bullet Seed
    - Leech Seed
    - Protect
    Standard Wall Nut set, but bullet seed over power whip for mirror matchups. Ferrothorn, like venusaur, adds some much needed bulk onto the team, but helps against Lele, along with granting the ability to run zard-y with a physical wall. Ferro also works well at countering lele and Metagross (which can be tough to beat depending on it's coverage) that lack hammer arm.
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    Gengar-Mega @ Gengarite
    Ability: Shadow Tag
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Hex
    - Sludge Wave
    - Will-O-Wisp / Hypnosis
    - Substitute
    This Gengar is the bulky trapper variant, but you could use casinogar if you really wanted. Gengar is simply for killing stuff that you don't know how to take out, and it is helpful against stall teams.


    Anyways, regarding volt switch & U-turn, both have their merits, but your koko can not deal with ground types at all because you are not running HP ice so you should use U-turn over volt switch so you don't lose all of your momentum if a ground type is switched in.
    As a final note: you could consider looking in to Mamoswine over Weavile (specifically a sash Mamoswine set), which could end up being better on your team because ground has a bit better coverage.
    edit: gengar & steela pics weren't working

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  9. woofmasterarf

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    I'm new to doubles and was hoping to try battle spot doubles. Unfortunately I'm also bad at teambulding. I really wanted to try a special Mega-Salamence. I learned in the Questions and Answers thread that Koko and Celesteela can form a good core with Salamence. I started there and added Tapu Fini because I felt like a needed an Ice resist. Next I added Lando-T because I wanted a scarfer who could kill opposing Koko and like
    ProjectTitan313 said, "Lando-T is also good if you have absolutely zero fear or concept of Ice moves and Wide Guard, because spamming Aerialate Hyper Voice + EQ is just plain fun and even Zapdos cringes over Rock Slide coverage".

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    Salamence-Mega @ Salamencite
    Ability: Intimidate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Draco Meteor
    - Fire Blast
    - Hyper Voice
    - Protect

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    Tapu Koko @ Electrium Z
    Ability: Electric Surge
    Level: 50
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Dazzling Gleam
    - Protect
    - Thunderbolt
    - Volt Switch

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    Celesteela @ Leftovers
    Ability: Beast Boost
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    Careful Nature
    - Heavy Slam
    - Protect
    - Leech Seed
    - Wide Guard

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    Tapu Fini @ Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Misty Surge
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Calm Mind
    - Moonblast
    - Protect
    - Muddy Water

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    Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Intimidate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Slide
    - U-turn
    - Superpower

    I'm new to doubles and would appreciate some help. I'm not sure what Celesteela and Tapu Fini usually run as their EV spreads, so help on that would be greatly appreciated. Also please don't recommend changes to the Salamence as I was building around that set since it is more enjoyable to me than physical or mixed sets. I'm also not sure what i want as a 6th member of the team. Also should i change Fini to specs Fini?

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  10. Fonzal

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    Thanks for the reply Moose And Goose! I think I'll try the Mega-Venusaur and Celesteela combo! I like how Venusaur and Char-Y are weak to almost opposite types, so that may net me some wins due to good match ups in team preview. I'll let you know how it works out.
  11. Solerme

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    That's a pretty solid core, although your team looks kind of weak to Trick Room setups.

    Maybe an Amoongus might help, not only acting cool under TR but also redirecting attacks for its teammates (yeah it's nice even with FIni's aura).
    And also think about adding a Fire-type, compleating the water/fire/grass core. Heatran cools fine here, making a fine partner for Mence, Landorus and Fini.
    [​IMG] @ Sitrus Berry / Iapapa Berry
    Ability: Regenerator
    EVs: 240 HP / 80 Def / 188 SpD
    IVs: 0 Spe
    Sassy Nature
    - Rage Powder
    - Spore
    - Sludge Bomb / Giga Drain
    - Protect / Synthesis


    [​IMG] @ Shuca Berry
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Heat Wave
    - Earth Power
    - Flash Cannon
    - Protect

    Shuca is the preferred item since with the doubles dynamics Earthquake has less power, and with the berry you'd mostly always survive an hit with it.
  12. woofmasterarf

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    Thanks for the help. Quick Question. Since I already have 5 mons, which one would i replace in order to add both Amoongus and Heatran?
  13. Solerme

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    Try with Amoongus alone first. Keep Heatran as a switch in if someone doesn't work out.
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  14. Droontar

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    Up!
  15. Jam Joestar

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    Hi there! I'm planning on getting into the Singles game once I get my cartridge, and learning the metagame has been quite challenging for me. I was slowly starting to get a grasp of ORAS as a newcomer when SuMo was announced, and I've been out of the game for a while. However, I'd like to get back into it. So to start off with, I wanted to build around Buzzwole! Specifically, a Buzzwole that can take a hit or two, pick up a kill, and sweep. Here's what I've got:

    Buzzwole @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Beast Boost
    Level: 50
    EVs: 24 HP / 84 Atk / 252 SpD / 148 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    -Superpower
    -Leech Life
    -Ice Punch
    -Earthquake

    The spread was adapted from what Tommy Colleen used in VGC. Not the same metagame, but some of the same threats. The Atk EVs are high enough to guarantee a Garchomp OHKO, max SpDef lets Buzzwole eat Moonblast from Tapu Lele, and safely switch into Koko (although it isn't great for dealing with Bulu or Fini). I'm not actually sure what the 148 Spe is for, but I know it puts Lv. 50 Buzzwole at 118 Speed (with 31 IVs). It won't stay in on fire types, but it's got bulk and enough attack to deal with Chomp, Lando, Aegislash, Tapu Koko, and threaten anything explicitly weak to Bug/Fighting. Earthquake helps deal with Aegislash and Muk, if I understand correctly. I'm not staying in on Marowak, so it's not gonna be much use there.

    Nihilego @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Beast Boost
    Level: 50
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Power Gem
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Thunderbolt
    - Thunder Wave

    To take care of the other Tapus and assorted fairies, and eat potential poison hits, I chose Nihilego as Buzzwole's first partner. It's a lot faster, which means it can pose a threat to the things Buzzwole generally can't take a hit from. I'm not sure about the fourth slot -- I know HP moves are great, but they're a pain to RNG for and I don't know if I'll be able to get a Nihilego with the HP type I want (same for Koko below). Thunderbolt because of coverage and the extra damage it deals with Koko's terrain up (against, say, Celesteela), STAB moves to deal with pesky flying types and fairies.

    Tapu Koko @ Life Orb
    Ability: Electric Surge
    Level: 50
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Thunderbold
    - Dazzling Gleam
    - Volt Switch
    - Grass Knot

    This thing is my answer to Fini, Charizard, Mega-Salamence. It's got Volt Switch for momentum, although seeing as how it's pretty fast, I'll need something it can reliably switch into. One play is to switch into Nihilego on a move it resists, which is why I've considered a more bulky approach instead of Focus Sash (Sitrus Berry and better defensive EVs).

    I know I'm missing answers to Mega-Metagross, Mega-Mawile, and Mega-Blaziken so far. And, well, a lot more, but I'm still pretty new to this. I was thinking maybe Heatran to switch into obvious fire moves, and to deal with Bulu?
  16. Moose And Goose

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    Hi and stuffs! Here I come bringing suggestions (I'm kinda bad with introductions)! Anyways on to the team. First off because you're going with grassknot over hp ice you should use Uturn over volt switch to keep momentum if a ground type switches into koko. Personally I would also switch to scarf nihilego because it's just better.

    Onto the new team members:

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    Landorus-Therian @ Yache Berry
    Ability: Intimidate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
    Impish Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Tomb
    - U-turn
    - Stealth Rock / Swords Dance
    Here we have Physically defensive lando-t. He's here mainly to check all of the threats you listed, but to also help against ground types, which koko and nihilego hate, along with giving your team a good amount of utility. Swords Dance is there if you end up needing a setup sweeper more than chip damage.

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    Primarina @ Primarium Z
    Ability: Torrent
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Modest Nature
    - Sparkling Aria
    - Moonblast
    - Aqua Jet
    - Protect / Perish Song
    Primarina is acting as a great nuke with oceanic operetta and it also gives priority which your team needs to help out against weakened stuff. Protect is mainly to scout Blaziken for z thunder punch or bloom doom, but you can also use perish song to beat some random stuff, but if you prefer you could run more coverage.

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    Celesteela @ Leftovers
    Ability: Beast Boost
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
    Sassy Nature
    - Heavy Slam
    - Flamethrower
    - Leech Seed
    - Protect
    Celesteela is here to act as a blanket check to special attackers and used over other stuff because it beats ferrothorn and other defensive steel types. Steela also helps with flying and psychic moves for buzzswole

    Anyways I hope this helps you out. As a note I did not playtest this team at all, but you probably will be testing it out, so feel free to tinker with the ev spreads and such. Also if you have problems obtaining Pokemon you can check out the trading / giveaways section of the forums to get some of the stuff you cant get.
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  17. Jam Joestar

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    This is great! Thank you. I already have that Lando, which is fortunate, and I'll pick up the tip about shopping around on the forums.
  18. PPB

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    I am trying to make a team around Mega Latios (yeah I know, lol, but I want to use it for fun) that has Celesteela on it. I made a similar team where I had to replace Celes for Ferrothorn to better deal with Koko, but I'm partial toward Celesteela, so I want to make a start from scratch and make a team that includes it. Could you help me to find out what teammates complement the team (i.e. by beating Koko)? Also, I am not against using dual mega on this team, so feel free to suggest away! Here is what I have so far:

    Latios @ Latiosite (currently LO)
    Ability: Levitate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 220 Def / 252 SpA / 36 Spe
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Calm Mind
    - Draco Meteor
    - Roost
    - Psyshock

    Tapu Koko @ Light Clay
    Ability: Electric Surge
    Level: 50
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Light Screen
    - Reflect
    - Thunder Wave
    - Thunderbolt

    Celesteela @ Iapapa Berry
    Ability: Beast Boost
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
    Brave Nature
    - Heavy Slam
    - Fire Blast
    - Earthquake
    - Leech Seed
  19. Solerme

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    there is an interesting set of Mega Latios that might work in a fast team imo:


    [​IMG] @ Latiosite
    Ability: Levitate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 100 Atk / 156 SpA / 252 Spe
    Naive Nature
    - Psychic / Psyshock
    - Draco Meteor
    - Earthquake
    - Substitute / Calm Mind / Memento / Thunder Wave / Filler


    Are are to OHKO Bulky Heatran with, while having 73.4% chance to 2HKO Aegilshas after Stealth Rock, a cool thing if it switches into it.
    With those EVs in SpA it still reach a number of 200, that is pretty high considering the power of a STAB Draco Meteor.
    I invested very hard on its speed, because it's a waste not using its decent 110 base speed imo.


    As for its partners, i do like Koko with it a lot, and the same goes for Celesteela. But i would switch the item on that offensive Celesteela to an Assault Vest, and add a secondary Fairy that could deal with the likes of Hippowdon and such, like Primarina, to use when Koko isn't the right choice as the fairy-type, mitigating also your ice weakness.

    [​IMG] @ Primarium Z
    Ability: Torrent
    EVs: 252 HP / 236 SpA / 20 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Sparkling Aria
    - Aqua Jet
    - Moonblast
    - Encore



    With MLatios / Koko / Prima and Cele i would add a secondary mega. Charizard X sounds fine to me here, working pretty well with all those partners.
    [​IMG] @ Charizardite X
    Ability: Tough Claws
    Level: 50
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Outrage
    - Flame Blitz
    - Earthquake / Thunder Punch
    - Dragon Dance

    At last, for the final slot, i think a pokemon that might deal with Electric-types would be fine (also cause Char X can't switch into those if it's not megad). Hippowdon itself sounds fine, since you have an offensive team.
    [​IMG] @ Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Sand Stream
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 204 SpD
    Careful Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Earthquake
    - Yawn
    - Whirlwind


    edit:

    i'd also change Koko into a fast sweeper, cause even if CharX is a pretty good setup sweeper, Latios imo isn't.
  20. Negative Shadow

    Negative Shadow

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    So yeah, I was thinking on doing a BSS team, and right now I have two or three Pokémon I would like to use, but I'm unsure on what else should I add to my team to complement it. The main Pokémon are as follows:

    Excadrill @ Choice Scarf/Focus Sash
    Ability: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Iron Head
    - Rock Slide
    - Horn Drill/Swords Dance

    I'm guessing Mimikyu is a staple on like 90% of all the teams, so I thought that maybe Mold Breaker Excadrill would be a decent check, as well as being able to check the Tapus (I think). However, I'm not sure if it should be sash or scarfed. Also I'm not really sure if it could have an opportunity to set up an SD (on a sash set obviously), but also Horn Drill doesn't convince me as much.

    Porygon-Z @ Normalium Z
    Ability: Adaptability
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Hyper Beam
    - Nasty Plot
    - Ice Beam
    - Thunderbolt

    Porygon has an amazing sp. attack stat, and I really think it could be a potential threat in specific situations. Z-Hyper Beam is basically a nuke, with Ice Beam and Thunderbolt as coverage options.

    Volcarona @ Lum Berry/Focus Sash
    Ability: Flame Body
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Quiver Dance
    - Fire Blast
    - Bug Buzz
    - Giga Drain

    I needed desperately a Celesteela answer, since Excadrill and Porygon both struggle a bit against it, so I thought Volcarona was a nice choice, since it can also deal with Fini a little better than Excadrill with Giga Drain. However, I'm unsure on what other 3 Pokémon I should add to complement these 3. Any thoughts or suggestions?
  21. gucci55

    gucci55

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    I've gotten pretty serious about making a BSS team here in the last couple of weeks. Haven't played much Battle spot this Gen that isn't VGC.

    I like a more balanced approach, and I found this team on the BSS samples thread that I liked the look of. I've made some tweaks, most notably switching in Salamence for Gengar.

    Salamence-Mega @ Salamencite
    Ability: Intimidate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 36 Atk / 4 Def / 196 SpD / 20 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Return
    - Dragon Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Roost

    I used this EV spread for a Battle Tree team that I found in the Battle Tree Discussion and Records. Full investment in Attack may be recommended, but I love the bulk and the opportunity it gives to ensure a DD in most scenarios.

    Kangaskhan-Mega @ Kangaskhanite
    Ability: Scrappy
    Level: 50
    EVs: 164 HP / 212 Atk / 4 Def / 12 SpD / 116 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Return
    - Fire Punch
    - Power-Up Punch
    - Sucker Punch

    Hippowdon @ Lum Berry
    Ability: Sand Stream
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    Careful Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock
    - Whirlwind
    - Slack Off

    Mimikyu @ Ghostium Z
    Ability: Disguise
    Level: 50
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Shadow Claw
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Play Rough

    Primarina @ Fairium Z
    Ability: Torrent
    Level: 50
    EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Aqua Jet
    - Hydro Pump
    - Moonblast
    - Hidden Power [Fire]

    Suicune @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Pressure
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
    Bold Nature
    - Scald
    - Mirror Coat
    - Icy Wind
    - Ice Beam

    My questions really center around Suicune and Mega Kanga. I just transferred it from ORAS where it was a staple in my Battle Maison Team and I'm working on hyper training it's IVs. What is a Good EV spread for a bold nature? I like leading with it and spamming Scald and Icy Wind to disrupt the opponents lead, but really don't know if the current EV spread could be better. It can take hits but damage output is suboptimal. Suicune is an all-time favorite of mine so I'd like to keep it in the team.

    Gengar-Mega @ Gengarite
    Ability: Shadow Tag
    Level: 50
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Hypnosis
    - Substitute
    - Hex

    Also, I switched out this Mega Gengar for Mega Mence but now I'm lacking a potent special attacker so I'm considering putting Gengar back in and switching Mega Kanga out. I didn't like how dependent on status this Gengar set was. Any suggestions on a new Mega Gengar set or even a different special attacker?
  22. Droontar

    Droontar

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    Hi guys! Since my post on making a team with Mega-Sceptile never got enough attention...(* cough, cough *) I want to make another try with other options!

    The main idea of the team is a Double-Mega Hyper-Offensive Balanced(50% special, 50% physical!) team, playing with enemies doubts. How? Charizard-Mega-X and Lucario-Mega:

    Charizard X, Physical attacker
    Charizard-Mega-X @ Charizardite X
    Ability: Blaze
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Outrage
    - Flame Charge
    - Flare Blitz

    Lucario, Special attacker
    Lucario-Mega @ Lucarionite
    Ability: Justified
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Aura Sphere
    - Flash Cannon
    - Vacuum Wave
    - Nasty Plot

    With this 2 mons in my team, a wrong prediction on the enemy team, could be disastrous (and make me gain some points! :D ). What other 4 members should I try? Is there any possibility in having mons viable for using with Lucario and Charizard?

    Thanks in advance!
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  23. gucci55

    gucci55

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    I sometimes run a team with Hippowdon and Mega Lucario. Hippowdon using Yawn can create a safe switch in opportunity for Lucario. It's also nice that Hippow's sand stream can give chip damage and neutralize opposing focus sashes. Haven't played too much with Charizard in BSS though :/
  24. Keotal

    Keotal

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    Hey guys. I am making a battle spot singles team with one of my favs: Gyarados-M but I'm having a bit of trouble trying to think of what would be best for the team, specifically its moveset. It has so many good options, but I can't use them all.

    Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
    Ability: Intimidate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Ice Fang
    - Waterfall
    - Earthquake

    Pretty Standard. I was wondering if I should keep crunch for Mimikyu, but I haven't encountered any so far.

    Tapu Lele @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Psychic Surge
    Level: 50
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Psychic
    - Moonblast
    - Thunderbolt
    - Shadow Ball

    I wasn't sure about this set, but I usually only use psychic or moonblast. Helps set terrain and can punch holes in the things that gyarados has trouble with (Lele, Primarina, etc)

    Blaziken @ Firium Z
    Ability: Speed Boost
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Protect
    - High Jump Kick
    - Flare Blitz
    - Baton Pass

    I wanted to use him to check eevee and to take out any steel types.

    Aegislash @ Weakness Policy
    Ability: Stance Change
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpA
    Quiet Nature
    - Flash Cannon
    - King's Shield
    - Shadow Ball
    - Shadow Sneak

    I had a problem with opposing Lele and thought that this set would be a good solution

    Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Rough Skin
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Outrage
    - Poison Jab
    - Earthquake
    - Stone Edge

    Chomp deals with Tapu Koko that isn't scarfed

    Rotom-Wash @ Iapapa Berry
    Ability: Levitate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Hydro Pump
    - Volt Switch
    - Discharge
    - Trick

    I wasn't sure what to put here, but I thought that I was a little weak when it came to dealing with Lando-T.

    I'm pretty new to 3v3 formats. What makes you decide on what pokemon to pick? Do you usually have a set three and then switch the other 3 based on any threats you see? I'm not sure of how the team preview strategy works in the format.
  25. woofmasterarf

    woofmasterarf formerly Stacy Ritter

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    May I recommend Jolly over Adamant on Gyarados? With Adament you are just barely out sped by base 130 mons such as Tapu Koko after a dragon dance.

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