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Battle Spot Teambuilding & Help Thread (SuMo Edition Reloaded 2.0)

Discussion in 'Battle Spot' started by ethan06, Dec 6, 2016.

  1. Moose And Goose

    Moose And Goose

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    Hi and stuffs!
    First if you are going to use flame charge zard x you usually want to use swords dance because it's a bit redundant to use dd and flame charge.
    As for other members of the team I agree with gucci55 on adding upload_2017-7-19_7-32-9.png Hippowdon and on top of that I would add upload_2017-7-19_7-32-39.png Dragonite because hippo, Dnite, and lucario form a good offensive core. Anyways with those two added it looks like you need something that can bop fairies along with a way to hit the odd water type so adding upload_2017-7-19_7-33-17.png Thundurus-T is the next pick. This last pick is pretty tough, seeing as the team is weak to stealth rocks, which will probably attract every mon that uses SR, There definitely needs to be a non-SR weak mon that ideally resists ice and fairy (because you're also a bit weak to those types), which inclines me to add a steel type, but idk if that's the best option. Either way I chose specially defensive upload_2017-7-19_7-33-50.png Aegislash to help you against the previously mentioned threats.

    I'm not going to go into detail about everything but just a few notes:
    • Added Scarf on thundurus-t because there's almost no speed control other than fairly weak priority from dnite and lucario
    • In the Hippowdon set you can change up the support moves, but I played a few games and those moves seemed best here
    • I like the Dragonium on Dnite because 2 mons with outrage (it and zard) is a bit much so not getting locked in will be super helpful in the long run
      • In the same vein you might consider Dragon Claw over outrage on Zard so you don't need to worry about getting locked in
    • Idk if Aegislash is the best choice here. I did have Fini, P2, and even Torterra (but that was because I used a Team Weakness calc and misread it) so those (except Torterra don't use that lol) might be worth considering
    Hope I helped!
    Importable (open)

    Hippowdon @ Iapapa Berry
    Ability: Sand Stream
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Adamant Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Tomb
    - Yawn
    - Stealth Rock

    Dragonite @ Dragonium Z
    Ability: Multiscale
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Extreme Speed

    Charizard @ Charizardite X
    Ability: Blaze
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Outrage
    - Flare Blitz
    - Swords Dance
    - Flame Charge

    Lucario @ Lucarionite
    Ability: Steadfast
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Aura Sphere
    - Flash Cannon
    - Vacuum Wave
    - Nasty Plot

    Thundurus-Therian (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Volt Absorb
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Thunderbolt
    - Sludge Wave
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Volt Switch

    Aegislash @ Leftovers
    Ability: Stance Change
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
    Calm Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Shadow Ball
    - Substitute
    - Toxic
    - King's Shield



    also I hate septile + It would probably be better to have more than 1 mon because otherwise it's not 'teambuilding help' it's 'Make a team around this' imo

    e: I just saw the post Keotal made and a couple things to change would be to add Hp ice over trick because if you're using Iapapapapa berry trick is a bit useless (hp ice is mainly for salamence). Also you NEED to run jolly on chomper because it misses out on base 100 soeed scarfers and cannot KO them. Finally you probably want to run Fire Fang over poison jab because Aegislash already kills the heck out of fairy types and without Blaziken you just lose to Ferrothorn.
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2017
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  2. Keotal

    Keotal

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    You may. And thanks, it actually was supposed to be jolly. I knew something was off.

    Thanks.

    Do you know of any good cores with M-Gyarados? Tried this team a few times and it isn't working out quite well. I searched the site a little but didn't see any.
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  3. Feesh Squad

    Feesh Squad

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    I was thinking of building a team around a Mega Manectric and Landorus-T Volt-Turn core just to try something different for a change. Unfortunately, while I'm decent at team building, I will need some help covering some threats I may have missed. Without further ado, here's the team:

    [​IMG] @ Manectite
    Ability: Lightning Rod
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Volt Switch
    - Thunderbolt
    - Overheat
    - Hidden Power [Ice]

    [​IMG] @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Intimidate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - U-turn
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Slide
    - Knock Off

    These two Pokemon form an Intimidate-based Volt-turn core. Mega Manectric threatens Water-, Flying-, Dragon-, Grass-, and physically defensive Steel-types while Choice Scarf Landorus-T threatens Electric-, Fire-, Ghost-, and specially defensive Steel-types. Moves on Manectric are rather standard, with Volt Switch to pivot out and Thunderbolt, Overheat, and Hidden Power Ice for excellent coverage. Landorus-T's coverage has Rock Slide for Flying- and Bug-types, most importantly Mega Charizard Y and Volcarona, and Knock Off mainly for crippling item-dependent Pokemon such as Chansey.

    [​IMG] @ Leftovers
    Ability: Iron Barbs
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    Sassy Nature
    IVs: 0 Spe
    - Leech Seed
    - Stealth Rock
    - Gyro Ball
    - Protect

    Where to start with this thing? I love specially defensive Ferrothorn, especially when paired with Pokemon that weaken physical attackers. While a lack of Power Whip may not allow it to deal with some Ground- and Water-types, being able to whittle them down with Leech Seed, Iron Barbs, Stealth Rock, and Gyro Ball is nice. Additionally, it easily switches into Fairy-, Grass-, and Electric-types thanks to its typing, although a 4x weakness to Fire does suck.

    [​IMG] @ Primarium Z
    Ability: Torrent
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Sparkling Aria
    - Moonblast
    - Encore
    - Aqua Jet

    Primarina is an excellent special wallbreaker thanks to Oceanic Operetta. In addition to dealing tonnes of damage to most neutral and even some resisted hits, its Z Move + Aqua Jet KOes Blaziken through Protect, which is a dominant force in the current metagame.

    [​IMG] @ Salamencite
    Ability: Intimidate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Double-Edge
    - Earthquake
    - Roost

    Sometimes, there may be too many threats to Mega Manectric for it to effectively perform. As a substitute, I have Dragon Dance Mega Salamence. It deals with most Ground-types rather well while also not being walled by special walls. However, sharing a 4x weakness to Ice-types along with Landorus-T is a little problematic.

    [​IMG] @ Grassium Z
    Ability: Speed Boost
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Flamethrower
    - Focus Blast
    - Protect
    - Solar Beam

    Shoutout to samjo on Discord for recommending this to me. With (Mega) Blaziken being such a threat, some opponents may be inclined to bring in checks such as Tapu Fini, Suicune, or Hippowdon, some of which also threaten some of my teammates. Bloom Doom allows Blaziken to deal with them rather well. I decided to have it be a full special attacker so I don't reduce its defenses.

    The main thing I have about this team is that, due to time constraints, I can't really test it at all. So any help in optimizing this team is greatly appreciated. Thank you!

    Edit: Also my Thundurus-T matchup seems kinda weak, given that my only check to it is scarf Landorus-T. I really don't know what to change to make that mu much more manageable.

    Importable (open)

    Manectric @ Manectite
    Ability: Lightning Rod
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Volt Switch
    - Thunderbolt
    - Overheat
    - Hidden Power [Ice]

    Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Intimidate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - U-turn
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Slide
    - Knock Off

    Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
    Ability: Iron Barbs
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    Sassy Nature
    IVs: 0 Spe
    - Leech Seed
    - Stealth Rock
    - Gyro Ball
    - Protect

    Primarina @ Primarium Z
    Ability: Torrent
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Sparkling Aria
    - Moonblast
    - Encore
    - Aqua Jet

    Salamence @ Salamencite
    Ability: Intimidate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Double-Edge
    - Earthquake
    - Roost

    Blaziken @ Grassium Z
    Ability: Speed Boost
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Flamethrower
    - Focus Blast
    - Protect
    - Solar Beam
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2017
  4. Droontar

    Droontar

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    Hi again! I tried this team and I've god some points to discuss:

    I feel not confortable using CharX with those partners, I mean, I don't know what to bring if I pick CharX: If I pick Hippowdon, Thundurus or Dragonite, I've got 3 mons weak to Ice...my only answer is Aegislash.

    If I chose LucarioM, people will assume I'll pick Hippowdon + Dragonite so... I guess is a disadvantage.

    Is there any change that can benefit CharX parners and don't make a bad core with LucarioM?
  5. Moose And Goose

    Moose And Goose

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    My bad I missed that.
    Luckily I don't think fixing the team will be a huge problem. The main problem with fixing it is that getting rid of the hippo + dnite + lucario core seems like a poor decision (and can't get rid of zard x), so that leaves Thundurus-T and Aegi to change. Losing out on Thundurus-t is not the best, but Thundurus-t is one of the weaker links, but getting rid of it forces you to have problems with hitting fairy types along with losing a fast revenge killer.

    Here's the fixes
    upload_2017-7-20_6-22-59.png @ Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Levitate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Hydro Pump
    - Thunderbolt
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Volt Switch
    Rotom is replacing Thundurus as the electric type and has a nice synergy with most of the offensive mons seeing as it's only weakness is grass. It's acting as a pivot who's aiming to cripple physical attackers w/ Will-O-Wisp and pivoting around.

    upload_2017-7-20_6-54-53.png @ Leftovers
    Ability: Stance Change
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Quiet Nature
    - Shadow Ball
    - Flash Cannon
    - Shadow Sneak
    - King's Shield
    Aegi is now using the Crumbler set because you lost thundurus-t the team is pretty slow without any boosts and you have fairly little coverage against fairies. Even now aegi can check some special attackers and what it loses in that department it gains back in the ability to hit back.

    -Another idea is to move the defense evs on hippo to spdef so you can do better against special attackers. Notably zard y under the sand, which this team has trouble with.

    Updated Team (open)

    Hippowdon @ Iapapa Berry
    Ability: Sand Stream
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Impish Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Tomb
    - Yawn
    - Stealth Rock

    Dragonite @ Dragonium Z
    Ability: Multiscale
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Extreme Speed

    Charizard @ Charizardite X
    Ability: Blaze
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Outrage
    - Flare Blitz
    - Swords Dance
    - Flame Charge

    Lucario @ Lucarionite
    Ability: Steadfast
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Aura Sphere
    - Flash Cannon
    - Vacuum Wave
    - Nasty Plot

    Rotom-Wash @ Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Levitate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Hydro Pump
    - Thunderbolt
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Volt Switch

    Aegislash @ Leftovers
    Ability: Stance Change
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Quiet Nature
    - Shadow Ball
    - Flash Cannon
    - Shadow Sneak
    - King's Shield

  6. Jam Joestar

    Jam Joestar

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    Hi guys! I came to this thread a few days back asking for advice on BS Singles, and after some playing around I’ve decided that 3v3 just isn’t really my thing. I’m giving

    Doubles a try instead, and I’d like to build a team around Zard X. Here’s what I’ve got:

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    Charizard-Mega-X @ Charizardite X
    Ability: Tough Claws
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    Lv. 50
    -Dragon Dance
    -Flare Blitz
    -Roost
    -Dragon Claw

    Zard is the obvious star of the show. Zard X isn’t as common as Zard Y, although I’m not skilled enough to know if the rest of my team is a dead giveaway. This thing’s role is simple: if I see no obvious threats, I send it in with Fini and get rid of things until it faints, then clean up with Chomp. If I see something that stops that plan, it’s up to the rest of my team to soften things up a bit. Zard is meant to be an early-game attacker, rather than a late-game cleaner.

    Tapu Fini @ Figy Berry
    Ability: Misty Surge
    EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 100 SpA / 28 SpD
    Bold Nature
    Lv. 50
    - Muddy Water
    - Moonblast
    - Swagger
    - Heal Pulse

    Fini is this team’s guardian deity. I chose her for several reasons – first, Defog. I omitted this move after figuring that hazards probably weren’t too important in BS Doubles anyways, but by then Fini had proven itself useful in other ways. Partnering up with Zapdos to create a defensive core with Tailwind support allows the team to get a quick speed boost against faster, dangerous opponents. With Zard on the battlefield and Misty Terrain up, Swagger is a free +2 Atk without confusion, and Heal Pulse lets me keep Zard healthy on the turns where attacking is more important for Zard. The berry gives Fini a second wind, prolonging its support capabilities and letting me save it for other Misty Terrain applications. Muddy Water lowers accuracy.

    Celesteela @ Leftovers
    Ability: Beast Boost
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
    Sassy Nature
    Lv. 50
    -Heavy Slam
    -Flamethrower
    -Leech Seed
    -Protect

    Celesteela was chosen to wall fairies (the guardians). Defensive stats with an offensive moveset lets Celesteela kill opposing Celesteela (Flamethrower on the Autotomize), and check most of the fairies bar Koko. Chomp is a great partner because of this, as Scarf lets it deal with Koko while Celesteela remains immune to EQ, and it pressures offensive fire-types and Heatran. Other steel-types are loathe to switch into Celesteela’s Fire. Partnering up with Zard deters fairies on the field, and it provides an easy switch-in for Fini when up against Gunk Shot/Sludge Wave users. Racking up kills makes it a dangerous wall, with Leech Seed as an aggressive recovery option, and Fini as a status-blocker and additional cleric with Heal Pulse.

    Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Rough Skin
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    Lv. 50
    -Poison Jab
    -Earthquake
    -Rock Slide
    -Dragon Claw

    Chomp’s speed lets it revenge kill and generally clean up late-game. Poison Jab, Earthquake and Rock Slide allow for some neat coverage, and Chomp switches into a few things that might threaten Celesteela and Fini. Having two flying types on the battle field (three with unevolved Charizard) lets Garchomp usually use EQ indiscriminately. This isn’t a very complicated mon, it checks Heatran and Nihilego (which both pose a threat to Zard and Fini) and is there to clean.

    Zapdos @ Misty Seed
    Ability: Static
    EVs: 244 HP / 136 Def / 80 SpD / 48 Spe
    Bold Nature
    Lv. 50
    -Tailwind
    -Roost
    -Thunderbolt
    -Roar

    Zapdos was chosen for defensive synergy with Fini, and for Tailwind support. Between the two of them, T-Bolt, Muddy Water and Moonblast hit Celesteela, opposing Fini, dragons, and Arcanine leads. Roost improves its longevity in a defensive role, Static lets it switch in on physical attackers with the bonus of a Para chance (provided terrain isn’t up), and Roar lets it phase out opposing setup sweepers.


    Random Calcs:
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    Defensive Calcs:
    252 SpA Life Orb Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. +1 244 HP / 80 SpD Zapdos: 55-66 (28 - 33.6%) -- 0.2% chance to 3HKO
    252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Rock Slide vs. 244 HP / 136+ Def Zapdos: 68-82 (34.6 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    252 Atk Choice Band Tyranitar Rock Slide vs. 244 HP / 136+ Def Zapdos: 132-156 (67.3 - 79.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage
    252+ SpA Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 28 SpD Tapu Fini: 58-70 (32.7 - 39.5%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO
    252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence-Mega Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 128+ Def Tapu Fini: 106-126 (59.8 - 71.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252+ Atk Parental Bond Kangaskhan-Mega Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 128+ Def Tapu Fini: 98-117 (55.3 - 66.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 128+ Def Tapu Fini: 70-84 (39.5 - 47.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    252 SpA Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 28 SpD Tapu Fini: 116-140 (65.5 - 79%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252 SpA Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Celesteela: 108-128 (52.9 - 62.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252+ SpA Heatran Heat Wave vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Celesteela: 96-114 (47 - 55.8%) -- 18% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252 SpA Magnet Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Celesteela in Electric Terrain: 162-192 (79.4 - 94.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Celesteela: 138-164 (67.6 - 80.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence-Mega Double-Edge vs. 244 HP / 136+ Def Zapdos: 66-78 (33.6 - 39.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    252 Atk Mold Breaker Gyarados-Mega Waterfall vs. 244 HP / 136+ Def Zapdos: 70-84 (35.7 - 42.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    Offensive Calcs:
    252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Flare Blitz vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tapu Koko: 153-180 (104.7 - 123.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Flare Blitz vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 169-199 (115.7 - 136.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Metagross-Mega: 188-224 (121.2 - 144.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Flare Blitz vs. 24 HP / 0 Def Thundurus-Therian: 178-210 (113.3 - 133.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Flare Blitz vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gengar-Mega: 160-189 (117.6 - 138.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Dragon Claw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hydreigon: 194-230 (116.1 - 137.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    +1 252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Dragon Claw vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence-Mega: 216-254 (126.3 - 148.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill: 402-474 (217.2 - 256.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 200+ Def Heatproof Bronzong: 92-110 (52.8 - 63.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Muk-Alola: 168-198 (79.2 - 93.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252 Atk Tough Claws Charizard-Mega-X Flare Blitz vs. 68 HP / 244 Def Snorlax: 138-163 (56.5 - 66.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252+ Atk Garchomp Poison Jab vs. 116 HP / 0 Def Tapu Bulu: 180-216 (112.5 - 135%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252+ Atk Garchomp Poison Jab vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 128-152 (87.6 - 104.1%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
    252+ Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 508-600 (274.5 - 324.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252+ Atk Garchomp Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 172-204 (112.4 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252+ Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Shuca Berry Heatran: 134-158 (80.2 - 94.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252+ Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Muk-Alola: 146-174 (68.8 - 82%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    0 SpA Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Salamence-Mega: 67-81 (39.1 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    0 SpA Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gyarados-Mega: 102-120 (60 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


    I have one slot left, and a few issues off the top of my head. I could squeeze Defog onto Fini if you guys insist that SR is dangerous in BS Doubles. The most glaring one is a weakness to Trick Room teams, as nothing on my team is particularly slow. Tailwind allows me to opt for an offensive playstyle against potentially fast teams, but against teams that turn the speed around, I’m open to getting hit quite often. The lack of Volt-Turn also means I must make hard switches. The team’s lack of weather also means that I lack good answers to rain. While I have Fini and Chomp, my rock weakness is undeniable, and things as fast and dangerous as Nihilego are still to be considered highly dangerous. I probably can’t fix these issues with one more mon and a few moveset changes, but I’d like to cover most of my threats. CB Jolly Tyranitar is an option, using sand to override rain and Rock Slide to OHKO Pelipper while pairing nicely with Chomp and Celesteela, and 2HKOing Porygon-2 and Cress (1st turn OHKO when leading with Scarf Chomp or Celesteela) – but I’m still new to this, so I’m open to suggestions.
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2017
  7. Droontar

    Droontar

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    I've tried your changes and I liked them a lot! But actually, I've dumped Dragonite and Hippowdon in favor of Landorus-T and Mimikyu. So, adding Aegislash and Rotom-W + those 2, is amazing! :3

    Lucario-Mega @ Lucarionite
    Ability: Inner Focus
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Aura Sphere
    - Vacuum Wave
    - Flash Cannon
    - Nasty Plot

    Charizard-Mega-X @ Charizardite X
    Ability: Blaze
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Flame Charge
    - Flare Blitz
    - Outrage
    - Swords Dance

    Mimikyu @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Disguise
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Play Rough
    - Shadow Claw
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Swords Dance

    Rotom-Wash @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Levitate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Volt Switch
    - Discharge
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Hydro Pump

    Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Intimidate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Knock Off
    - U-turn
    - Rock Slide

    Aegislash @ Ghostium Z
    Ability: Stance Change
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
    Sassy Nature
    - Shadow Ball
    - Toxic
    - Shadow Sneak
    - King's Shield
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  8. _Data_Drain_

    _Data_Drain_

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    So.... It's been quite awhile since I've posted in here. So, I'm thinking about making a team for Doubles Battle Spot. Using the event Shiny Tapu Koko (With Hidden Power Ice.)

    Besides Protect, Hidden Power Ice, and Thunderbolt, what should the fourth slot have? Volt Switch, or Taunt?

    Also, any suggestions on teammates? Besides Pelipper, since that one's basically a given. Like, what Megas would pair up well with it? Any suggestions are appreciated.
  9. Quirky

    Quirky

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    Hi,

    I am looking for help to make a Battle Spot Doubles Blastoise team, I have this spread that I have been using and has been working for me. When I make teams on my own, sadly they don't always get me far and have many issues with many of the meta Pokémon such as Landorus-T and Mega-Charizard-Y.

    Blastoise @ Blastoisinite

    Ability: Mega Launcher
    Level: 50
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Dark Pulse
    - Protect
    - Water Spout
    - Aura Sphere
  10. Solerme

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    Blastoise needs a lot of support, from speed control (Tailwind / Trick Room) to pokemon that can redirection attacks (mons with Ragepowder or Follow Me, such as Amoongus, Togekiss or even pomemon with Lightning rod like Raichu or Togedemaru).
    Actually with the huge prevalence of Sun (CharY) in the Bsd tier, Blastoise is a pretty hard mega to use (barely viable to be fair). You might also need someone that could control the weather and induce Rain (even though Hail and Sand might also work, for example a Scarfed TTar could help to deal with CharY and remove the Sun on the switch in).

    Cresselia, with its ability to control the speed is a great partner for Blastoise. Tapu Koko as well, being able to hit opposing CharY and bulky Water-types.
    Ferrothorn covers Blastoise's weakness pretty well and works fine with Koko too.

    Also i'd switch your Blastoise into a slow Quiet Blastoise with 0 IVs in speed, trying to build a team that can work under the Trick Room.
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  11. Fire Fist Ace

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    So the first thing I noticed is your spread would probably appreciate Tailwind support to the highest degree, and rain support can certainly fit in on your team. as it would scare the daylights out of Lando-T and threaten mind games with Zard-Y. If Blastoise is your nuke, then bring stuff to help keep the Water Spouts powerful. In Tailwind, pretty much nothing is outspeeding it, and in rain, it's firing off 225 BP Water Spouts at full HP (or 300 BP if you have 1 target).

    In the first slot, I'd see Pelipper fitting the bill perfectly ha shitty bird joke. Pelipper itself can set Drizzle and Tailwind, both of the things I just stated that would help keep Blastoise alive. For the other 3 slots on it, you could put Protect, Wide Guard, Scald, Hydro Pump, Hurricane, or Ice Beam. All of those moves are helpful toward Pelipper's cause, and you can give it a Sash or something like that to help you out.

    In the second slot, you could definitely use a Pokémon that is naturally fast and can threaten the likes of Zard-Y and/or Lando-T. I'd suggest Tapu Koko in your second slot due to threatening a lot of bulky water types that may wall your Blastoise and Pelipper otherwise, and Electric Terrain is nice to stop sleep, although I am not sure how common it is on BS Doubles. Moves like Thunderbolt, Hidden Power Ice, Taunt, and U-turn all work. Slap a Life Orb on it, and that works nicely.

    In a third slot, you can run a bulky Steel type such as Aegislash or Heatran to help deter Sand and Hail teams due to both mons threatening out setters with Flash Cannon or something like that.

    Those are just some ideas, but the guy above this post covers it better than I could.

    Also consider running an alternative Mega alongside Blastoise. Great examples include Salamence, Metagross, and Kangaskhan.

    Hope it helps mate.

    If you're having problems with Lando-T and Zard-Y more specifically than other Pokemon, I would like to suggest Tapu
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  12. Quirky

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    What are some other Pokémon that you would suggest to make a team full of six to choose from. I was thinking of maybe Scrafty with intimidate support and Fake Out support as well?
  13. Fire Fist Ace

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    Scrafty is certainly not bad for both, but it would probably fit better on a Trick Room team better.

    Depending on how deep you'd be willing to invest in the rain core Ludicolo is a good Pokemon to provide Fake Out support and if you tie it in with Pelipper, then it will get a nice speed boost from Swift Swim and Drizzle, or Mega Kangaskhan as an alternative Mega. If you want Intimidate support, go back to what I said about Mega Salamence. Another option for Intimidate support can be Landorus-Therian as it can wall Electric types that give your team trouble, and freely spam Earthquake or Rock Slide as long as Pelipper or a Wide Guard mon is on your side.

    If you want a sample team of how I'd put it together, I'll provide 2 examples. One with Ludicolo and Mega Mence, and one with Lando-T and Mega Kang:

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    Or like this


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    I'll let you figure out movesets and EV spreads on your own. But this is a rough idea of those conditions you wanted.
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  14. Quirky

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    Do you think redirection would be better than having fake out support and intimidate? I'm just trying to figure out what would work well with Blastoise, Pelipper, Aegislash and Tapu Koko. Also for another Mega slot would Swampert fit better than ludicolo?
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  15. AggroTheWaffle

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    hey guys

    i dont know if this is the right place to ask but i tried asking in the simple questions but havent received any response yet, so i want to ask you

    is bisharp usable in SuMo BSS and if yes who would be a good partner/partners?
  16. ethan06

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    simple questions is probably the best place, but i'll answer your question here :) the battle spot section doesn't get quite as much traffic as, say, the OU section, so it sometimes takes a couple days for someone to get around to answering a question. don't hold it against us ^^

    bisharp has a couple of useful niches in battle spot singles but struggles against a lot of the meta's top threats and so doesn't get very much usage at all. the tapus are all capable of walling it or beating it down (the only one that bisharp can sometimes beat is slow tapu bulu) and threats like blaziken, garchomp, heatran and charizard can turn it into a complete liability. if you're looking for a solid answer to aegislash then bisharp is one of the best; however, outside of that and cresselia, dark coverage is not particularly useful in this meta, and given that bisharp heavily leans on sucker punch to compensate for its slowness, frailty, and decent but exploitable typing, it's not worth the team slot. if you do decide to use it, however, then av tapu bulu is a fine partner: bulu pairs well with steel types in general due to grassy terrain weakening earthquake, but bisharp deals fairly handily with aegislash, cresselia and nihilego, which are all pokemon that can give bulu trouble.

    tl;dr i'd recommend against using bisharp bc the meta is unfriendly to it, but if you do decide to give it a shot then tapu bulu is a decent place to start, just make sure you prep for fire types. that's all :)
  17. Doobzi

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    To add to what was said above, I've seen a few suicide leads with sash and metal burst so that might be something to think about. Otherwise it can learn stone edge to ko zard though if sash is broken I don't know how useful that would be. Knock off provides utility and no lead is complete without stealth rock. So maybe Sr/ Knock off / Metal burst / filler (could be Stone edge or Iron head i.e. can hit lele after taking a hit).

    Beyond that, Bisharp would make a poor sweeper but I could see it somewhat working selectively with maybe heatran alongside it. Worth a shot if you really want to go for it, though as mentioned above, I would not suggest a sweeper set.
  18. Fire Fist Ace

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    Yeah sadly Bisharp has no real viable place in the BSS meta. Just looking at the top 30 alone, the only things it can annoy are stall Pokemon like Ferrothorn, Porygon2, and Cresselia. That is just annoy them while they set up, not kill them. The rest of the top 30 all can either directly deal with Bisharp, or have an option to deal with it.

    Knock Off is not enough of a reason to use it now that Z-Crystals exist and cannot be removed. Sucker Punch can be nullified by Tapu Lele, who is still in fact a very prominent threat on BS, and even then with Sucker Punch being an exploitable move already. And finally Iron Head can be utilized better by Aegislash and Excadrill

    If you wanted to ABSOLUTELY use Bisharp, Sash Metal Burst is the arguably best, and possbily only real good way to go.

    The problem is that it's heavily outclassed by other Pokemon in it's roles. If you want Defiant for Intimidate users, you'd be better off running Competitive Milotic, since fat Water types are way more welcomed into BSS, or just run Primarina or Tapu Fini since they deal with the main Intimdate users (Landorus, Salamence, Gyarados, Mawile, and the lesser Arcanine) better than Bisharp could ever wish.

    But you can do you, that's just my opinion on Bisharp.
  19. GoggleHat

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    I'm relatively new to the Battle Spot and have been working on different teams based on the stuff in Smogon. Shiny Mega Gyarados is one of my favorite pokemon, for sure. But I haven't been able to design a good team for it. I try to keep a balance or provide support for it, but so far the best I have is a Ninetales-A, Mega Gyarados core. The main idea is to use the Snow Warning ability with Aurora Veil in order to protect Gyarados for Dragon Dance. Does anyone have any suggestions for the rest of my team?
    Here are the stats of my two pokemon:

    Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Waterfall
    - Crunch
    - Earthquake (Should I instead use Substitute?)

    Ninetales-Alola @ Light Clay
    Ability: Snow Warning
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Aurora Veil
    - Freeze-Dry
    - Encore
    - Moonblast
  20. BlazingBarrager

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    So I'm working on a team quickly for the No Hold Bards online competition, but I'm having a little trouble with it. Here's the current set.
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    My goal was to have it centered around Darkrai, but I got a little carried away due to my inexperience with teambuilding. Here are some notes on why I picked what I picked.

    Darkrai: Besides being one of my favorites, Darkrai is a powerhouse and can take on threats that aren't immune to it as well as go toe to toe with Marshadow thanks to them having the same speed stat (not what I was going for mind you). The spread is pretty standard save for Sucker Punch, which is used to pick off weakened foes that can outspeed it like Deoxys-A. This is the mon I wanted to center my team around.

    Zygarde: This thing can tank, and I mean tank. EV spread was a suggestion from Siggu to quote "give a more controlled transformation" as an Ice Punch from Marshadow only does around 50% damage. Leftovers combined with Rest help keep it healthy and rid it of any status while Sleep Talk lets it abuse Thousand Arrows and Rock Slide. I chose Rock Slide over Stone Edge due to the better accuracy and flinch chance against slower Pokemon.

    Celebi: Besides loving this thing to death, I felt it could make a good support thanks to its large support movepool. The EV spread was set to make it more physically defensive as a lot of threats are physical-based while retaining some special defense. It has a variety of options to play with such as abusing U-Turn to break sashes while maintaining momentum or spread paralysis with Thunder Wave. Even Marshsadow wouldn't appreciate having one of the two happen and even a boosted Spectrial Thief fails to OHKO in return (especially with Wiki Berry). To show what I mean...

    252+ Atk Life Orb Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 252 HP / 148+ Def Celebi: 322-382 (79.7 - 94.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Figy Berry recovery

    Celebi also deals pretty well against Fini, who gives this team some trouble.

    Mamoswine: Yes we all know Theorymon came up with the idea so I don't think I need to go into much detail over why I picked it.

    Charizard: An interesting choice that I put some thought into, I found that Charizard-Y deals with both Marshadow and Magearna pretty well (the latter it walls almost completely unless they run Thunderbolt). Flame Charge is a key move as it both breaks Sashes and boosts its Speed. While it can't handle two Marshadows, it does make short work of one. Because Charizard-Y is slower than Marshadow, it won't be able to steal the speed boost from Flame Charge and gets KOed in return via Flamethrower as Charizard-Y will now outrun Marshadow, which the latter can't KO with Shadow Sneak in return unless boosted.

    Deoxys-A: I wanted a fast mon that can act as a lead and Deoxys-A was the obvious choice. Rash nature is used to maximize power while not hindering Extremespeed for that finishing KO (probably will change this to Superpower for more coverage). BoltBeam provides excellent coverage while Psycho Boost grants a powerful STAB.

    So yeah, as I said I went a little overboard and could use some help with fixing this so that it's more Darkrai centered.
  21. PKQ

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    Alright, everyone, I need help building a duo/core for Mimikyu. I debating between Salamence or Blaziken (more to Salamence but I think Blaziken is a better fit).

    For the Mimikyu Moveset this is what I got (kinda):

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    Mimikyu (M) @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Disguise
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Play Rough
    - Shadow Claw

    Also, I want to keep the nature as Adamant. Anything else can change.
    Another thing can someone give me some tips on how to play Mimikyu because I am not experienced enough.
  22. MrCoachK

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    I'm working on a dragon type team. Going to a real life event. There are gym leaders that if you beat 8 of them you can challenge 4 more people who make up the Elite four. Afterwards, you may challenge the champion just like the game. I want to build a 'dragon' type gym. Kind of a tank-ier team that could take some super effective hits. Challengers are supposed to have only 6 Pokémon and they have to prepare for all the gyms.

    The following Dragons are banned: Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem.

    I am only allowed one of the following: Lati@s, Zygarde (without Power Construct), and Guzzlord.

    Lati@site and Salamencite are not allowed.

    I am allowed to set the rules for my own gym. I am currently thinking I may need to do Standard doubles rules -- show 6, bring 4 to a 2v2, but I might want to do bring 6 and do a single battle.

    I have a living Dex and many hidden abilities. I have a hard time setting up customized EVs.

    Currently thinking:

    The following Goodra I found in a rate my team thread. Thinking the Poison dragon would be a huge help at punching holes in fairies as well as being bulky enough to take a few hits.

    Goodra @ Assault Vest
    Sap Sipper
    Modest Nature
    204 HP / 188 Def / 76 SpA/ 36 SpD/4 Speed
    Thunderbolt
    Flamethrower
    Sludge Bomb
    Ice beam

    Garchomp is definitely one of the most popular Dragons out there. Power, high speed, and a STAB Earthquake.

    Garchomp @ Groundium Z
    Rough Skin
    Adamant Nature
    EVs: 20 HP / 236 Atk / 4 Def / 44 SpD / 204 Spe
    Protect/Swords Dance
    Earthquake
    Poison Jab
    Rock Slide

    Salamence @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature
    Draco Meteor
    Dragon Pulse
    Trying to think of what coverage moves to finish the Salamence up with

    Salamence is a great revenge killer and looking to put a major dent into the opposition with a lot of power. Normally run Flamethrower / Fire Blast as the last 2 moves. However with my next member of the team I don't want to be crippled if I come up against much fire resistance.


    One of my favorite Megas, still high up in its power rankings regardless of whether I end up with X or Y. I know Y isn't technically a dragon, but still would consider using.
    Mega Charizard X @ Charizard X/Y
    Having trouble determining which set to run.

    Latios @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Levitate
    Timid Nature
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Pyschic
    Defog
    Thunder Wave
    Draco Meteor

    Hazard clear, paralysis, and revenge killing. Support is needed for Charizard and Salamence.

    #6. ?????
    I keep trying to determine if I want to go with a Jolly Dragonite here or Modest Kommo-O. Quiet Drampa in case of a trick room team? Another Dragon entirely? One thought was to drop Garchomp and replace it with Dragonite. Not sure if about it but I am considering using Gyrados on the team as well.

    Biggest concern right now is making sure I have a bit more fairy coverage as well as what to do if I am defending against a trick room team. Outside of a few Ice users I should be able to outspeed and hopefully either 1HKO or at least make it easy to revenge kill.

    Any assistance to help finish the team would be appreciated! Thanks.
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  23. GalliumBeryllium

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    I want to start battling more competitively and I love doubles & vgc. This is going to be my first online cartridge team that I'm going to make so any help would be appreciated. I'm trying to create a Battle Spot Doubles Team (Sun and Moon).

    I am pretty happy with my Offensive Core of Mega Charizard Y, Tapu Koko, Shiftry, and Heliolisk. If an opposing team is unprepared for the damage I can usually overwhelm them and sweep quickly. However there are some major weaknesses, notably Choice Scarf Landorus-T which can destroy my entire Offensive Core. Weather wars can be difficult as well, especially rain but I think that's normal when you have Mega Charizard Y? Trick Room is also a weakness but I think I have found a possible solution (Imprison Claydol), but I'm also looking for alternative solutions.

    Lastly, from what I've been reading and researching, I think this play style is hyper offensive but I could be wrong. If you have any tips on how to play hyper offense in general that'd be much appreciated also.


    Charizard-Mega-Y @ Charizardite Y
    Ability: Drought
    Level: 50
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Heat Wave
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Tailwind
    - Protect

    Charizard is a major source of fire damage which can put pressure on the opponents. If a favorable lead matchup occurs and I know they are switching or protecting I can set up a Tailwind with Charizard. I went with Dragon Pulse so I have an option against Garchomp and because I already have a grass attack on Shiftry. I usually lead with Charizard because if I can control the weather then I have a huge advantage with Shiftry's Chlorophyll and Heliolisk's Solar Power. The EV spread is simple because I want to do the most damage while being as fast as possible.


    Tapu Koko @ Zap Plate
    Ability: Electric Surge
    Level: 50
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Wild Charge
    - Brave Bird
    - Protect
    - U-turn

    Tapu Koko is another good source of damage. I like the physical variant because of the surprise factor as well as the Brave Bird against Grass types like Tapu Bulu. U-turn is also nice because unlike Volt Switch a ground pokemon can't mess up the switch. Tapu Koko's Electric Terrain is helpful with Heliolisk's Thunderbolt to give it even more damage.


    Heliolisk @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Solar Power
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Thunderbolt
    - Dark Pulse
    - Hyper Voice
    - Volt Switch

    Heliolisk is usually the late game sweeper. Heliolisk will greatly benefit if there are any spare turns of Sun or Electric Terrain. If both are active then Thunderbolt does insane damage (1.5 Choice Specs, 1.5 Solar Power, 1.5 Electric Terrain). Hyper Voice is there in case there is a ground Pokemon. I'm unsure about Dark Pulse because I already have Knock Off on Shiftry (maybe Hidden Power Ice?)


    Shiftry @ Life Orb
    Ability: Chlorophyll
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Leaf Blade
    - Knock Off
    - Protect

    Shiftry is a Chlorophyll Sweeper. I originally had Leafeon but I realized a STAB Knock Off is really nice. In the Sun it can outspend Base 130 Pokemon. I just put the rest into HP. I really like Swords Dance because sometimes it is obvious when they are going to protect or switch out.

    These are some of the rough sketches/tentative candidates for the last 2 slots:

    Cresselia (F) @ Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Levitate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Moonlight
    - Ice Beam
    - Skill Swap
    - Toxic

    Cresselia can benefit from Sun because Moonlight will heal 3/4. I read/heard it is a somewhat good counter to Landorus. Skill Swap could reset Terrain or Weather.

    Claydol @ Psychium Z
    Ability: Levitate
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Bold Nature
    - Imprison
    - Trick Room
    - Rock Slide
    - Protect

    Claydol is my attempt at hard trick room counter. Z-Imprison raises SPDEF by 2 stages so I put all the EVs into HP and defense. Imprison prevents Trick Room as well as Rock Slide (Good for Charizard) and Protect. Claydol can stay on the field a long time but doesn't offer much pressure besides no Protect and no Trick Room. Could be replaced with Bronzong as it can learn the same moves.

    Garchomp could also be a possible candidate as well but I'm not really sure.

    Here are some replays of me playing on Showdown. Most of them are with the Offensive Core.

    http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7battlespotdoubles-617782797
    http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7battlespotdoubles-617784964
    http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7battlespotdoubles-617789812
    http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7battlespotdoubles-617793731
    http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7battlespotdoubles-617794467
    http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7battlespotdoubles-617803462
    http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7battlespotdoubles-617807439
  24. Fire Fist Ace

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    Ok for you, quite frankly you can fit both Mega Mence and Blaziken on your team, and stick something else like Ferrothorn next to those 2 to make a solid core for your team with Mimikyu supplementing the aforementioned Pokemon.

    To give you an idea to think about you can try instead of Groundium Z Garchomp. You can definitely run Dragalge with Sludge Wave to smash Fairies, although Ice types (at least the bulky ones) are give problems to mono Dragon teams. A popular anti-Fairy idea would be to run Steelium Z + Iron Tail. There's many candidates good for that. Ponder on it if you want.
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  25. Zerox27

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    Hi, I'm looking for help putting together a Battle Spot Singles team. I haven't ever played competitive but I like to breed and I figured BS is the way to go since I prefer cartridge over PS!.

    I want to stick with something fairly simple and solid instead of going for potentially harder teams that will let me practice and learn so no Trick Room or all in weather teams. I could certainly see a Hippowdon/Garchomp Sand core working for me since it seems pretty solid.

    I have a couple of questions and then a list of Mons that I would like to use. I can get about anything available in Gen 6 or 7.

    One of my favorite Mons from Gen 7 is Toxapex, but I'm not sure how viable it is in 3v3 since Toxic Spikes seems better 6v6. I see the B+ rating in the tier thread, and I wouldn't mind trying it, but I have no idea what kind of team it would fit into. Maybe with some WW/Roar users? Hippowdon? Or is Toxic just better on Toxapex in 3v3? Haze is also the kind of move I like, so maybe a set like the OU Smogon Dex one of Scald, Recover, Haze, and Toxic/Toxic Spikes?

    Next I like the idea of (and have them bred :D) Mimikyu/Gengar/MGengar/Aegislash but obviously don't want to run too many Ghost types and there are so many Mimikyu sets I have no idea where or how it would fit in the team, though a Disguise+Sash set seems like something I would like to try.

    I was going to list stuff I wouldn't mind using off the tier list, but it was getting too long. To make it short and sweet, I'll use anything but prefer to not use Landorus/Thundrus due to the time it would take me to get them. I'd also prefer not to use either Charizard.

    TLDR
    I'm a noob, like to breed on cartridge and need team building help. I'd like to use Toxapex if it's viable, and one of Mimikyu/Gengar/MGengar/Aegislash on my team with no Landorus/Thundrus unless they're really needed to help the rest of my team. Perhaps adding Hippowdon and Garchomp if that team would have any cohesion at all. Other Mons can be added at your discretion but I have no idea what to add without throwing 6 random Mons up and asking your opinion. Maybe
    Toxapex
    Mimikyu
    MSalamence
    Garchomp
    Hippowdon
    ???
    But that seems super weak to all the HP Ice I've been told is rampant in the meta.

    Sorry for the wall of text. Thanks for any help. :)
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