Battle Tree Discussion and Records

[Magicxgame]

In case anyone's curious, I managed to extract the official QR sample teams using P3DS' PKRentalViewer.

Super Singles Mega Salamence / Tapu Lele / Aegislash Team

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Salamence @ Salamencite
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 60
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 244 Spe
Adamant Nature
IVs: 6 SpA
- Dragon Claw
- Dragon Dance
- Double-Edge
- Earthquake

Tapu Lele @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 92 HP / 252 SpA / 166 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 27 Atk
- Psychic
- Moonblast
- Thunderbolt
- Energy Ball

Aegislash @ Ghostium Z
Ability: Stance Change
Level: 51
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Atk / 4 Def / 142 SpA / 4 SpD / 8 Spe
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Shadow Ball
- Shadow Sneak
- Flash Cannon
- King's Shield

(They also have 0 Happiness.)

Interestingly, the Pokemon appear to have been taken from actual carts, rather than made from scratch. Tapu Lele hits 223 Speed, allowing it to outrun Jolly Mega Aerodactyl (which isn't in the Tree, since the only Mega Aero is Adamant). I'm not sure what benchmarks Aegislash's EV spread is supposed to hit.

Super Doubles L1 Mimikyu / Snorlax / Araquanid / Marowak-A Team

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Mimikyu @ Focus Sash
Ability: Disguise
Level: 1
Jolly Nature
IVs: 8 Atk / 9 SpD / 22 Spe
- Shadow Sneak
- Pain Split
- Trick Room
- Destiny Bond

Snorlax @ Figy Berry
Ability: Gluttony
Level: 50
EVs: 10 HP / 60 Atk / 252 Def / 188 SpD
Adamant Nature
IVs: 3 SpA / 0 Spe
- Body Slam
- High Horsepower
- Belly Drum
- Recycle

Araquanid @ Waterium Z
Ability: Water Bubble
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 11 SpA / 0 Spe
- Liquidation
- Leech Life
- Wide Guard
- Protect

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
Level: 50
EVs: 246 HP / 244 Atk / 20 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 8 SpA / 27 Spe
- Shadow Bone
- Flare Blitz
- Bonemerang
- Protect

I'm not sure why Marowak-A has a 27 Speed IV; maybe someone messed up?

The teams are nothing groundbreaking, but I figured this was some interesting trivia nonetheless.

 

[Prof. Tom Bombadil]

Intro:
This post will focus on a streak of 108 wins for the Battle Tree Super Singles Records.

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Team Report:
The team utilized Greninja as lead-off, with Garchomp and Mega Scizor in the back row.

Greninja with Protean is an annihilator, with battles at times won in merely three turns. Calculations show that the Greninja used in this streak hits 581 different pokes super effectively, 336 pokes normally, and 0 pokes are immune to/resist its entire moveset (see https://pokemondb.net/tools/type-coverage).
Greninja was arguably the MVP…

Garchomp trades in when electrics threaten Greninja and when fires threaten Mega Scizor. Groundium Z for anti-hax countermeasures and seismic destruction. Rough Skin can help put pokes into KO range for Greninja and Mega Scizor in certain situations.

Mega Scizor resists all of Garchomp’s weaknesses, and Greninja’s weaknesses depending on its typing. This allows it to trade in, set up with Swords Dance, and sweep. Clean-up capabilities with STAB/Technician-boosted Bullet Punch and Bug Bite are also nice to have.


Team Build:
Garchomp @ Groundium Z
Ability: Rough Skin
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP

-Protect (left it but should change it)

-Dragon Claw

-Earthquake

-Iron Head


Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Spe

-Swords Dance

-Bullet Punch

-Bug Bite

-Roost


Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

-Surf

-Ice Beam

-Grass Knot

-Dark Pulse


Threat List:

• Mega Charizard X
  • Dragon dances and sweeps entire team
• Mega Lopunny
  • OHKO’s Greninja/Garchomp, 2HKO’s Mega Scizor
• Landorus
  • Watch out for choice scarf set
• Zapdos
  • You already know what moveset/hold item it is

Closing Thoughts:
Looking to land on another leaderboard, so mission accomplished.
This team is capable of a 200+ win streak, and possibly more.

Losing battle involved Zapdos (Bright Powder, Bold, EVs ?: Thunderbolt/Ancient Power/Double Team/Roost).
My team was up 3 to 1, with Garchomp in at -1 attack and around 75% HP remaining. Cue classic example of press ‘A’ and not pay attention resulting in…

• Garchomp uses Dragon Claw, Zapdos uses Ancient Power
  • Garchomp paralyzed by Static
• Zapdos uses Ancient Power, Garchomp paralyzed
  • Zapdos raises its Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed by one stage each.
• Zapdos uses Ancient Power
  • Garchomp KO
• Zapdos uses Thunderbolt
  • Greninja KO
• Zapdos uses Thunderbolt, Mega Scizor uses Swords Dance
• Mega Scizor uses Bullet Punch, Zapdos uses Thunderbolt
  • Mega Scizor paralyzed by Static, and then KO’d by Thunderbolt

Hindsight says trade out right away and lock in the OHKO on Zapdos with Greninja.
Saved the battle replay, did this, and I won the battle in 5 turns.

Time to now beat this streak in USUM!

 

[ReptoAbysmal]

Reached 100 and ehhhhhhhh 150 is a much more reasonable goal than 200, but even then I have my doubts. Even the 90-100 road was pretty shaky with a lead Slaking3-Walrein4; Walrein was slain without landing any move but Slaking happily murdered my setter and I had to do the entire battle on my back foot. Walrein also dodged its first attack, which didn't help me at all.

Otherwise, for the past twenty battles at least a dozen of them contained leads I had no way to disable and had to hope they didn't double up on Oranguru. Part of the problem is that both he and Mege Heracross have excellent bulk and can survive a lot of supereffective hits from full health, which everyone knows makes the AI choice of target much less predictable (and then there's the bizarre lulzhorseshit of Tornadus' Supersonic Skystrike against Oranguru and not a -2 Heracross, when the former wouldn't even KO. I can call some shots but lost a bet right there) Greninja4 is easily one of the most unwelcome leads I can face and the biggest threat overall, because if it Dark Pulses and Oranguru goes down, it has easy OHKOs against two other teammates, especially if it's Protean. Togekiss4 is also really bad, but it'll go for Heracross without question and it requires its partner to OHKO my setter by itself.

I need Hariyama back, but I'll ride this out and at least should have a couple of neato vids by the time they're cactus.

 

[Smuckem]

Whoops, I mispelled it, what I meant was if anyone actually got somewhere far like 50 with her, and already knew it was default(although wasn't sure if her sets changed per game or something). XD

That's really sad, thinking about trying it anyway, even knowing I might not be able to reach it relying on consistent methods, so just going to rely in RNGesus.

It might work slightly better if someone is your human partner but utilizing the same sets, it would allow you to steer the support usage entirely and prioritize things a little better. Basically, you would need someone functioning as a "Fake Lillie" of sorts, someone willing to use a pretty sub-optimal pair of sets, and entirely devoted to supporting your side of the coin, which is the opposite of how most of the experts on here have proceeded through Multis.

But no one would be crazy enough to make those sets on their own, for this purpose...


Just a thought.

 

[NZtechfreak]

Had a brief whirl at Singles Tree in USUM, really just as a brief proof of concept run to see how well Buzzwole can act as a phys Def specialist. Seems like it'd be workable, easily sets up against anything physical that doesn't have Flying or Fire coverage (I just lazily paired it with an AV Heatran I had lying about with a fairly terrible EV spread). Had max HP, then remaining EVs split between Attack and Defense w/Sub, Bulk Up, Leech Life, Drain Punch and Leftovers (no particular benchmarks in mind, just going for good physical bulk with some attack investment). It's slow Sub is a bit annoying against things that want to Toxic or inflict paralysis, Lum or Fini may be a help there.

Lost to Kukui at 20, but would have been easily winnable had I looked up the sets, could have simply PP stalled the Incineroar out of EQs by switching, but still, not a bad little experiment. I had Modest Scarf Naganadel out in front, for no other reason than I wanted to play with a new toy. Not bad really, swept a lot of games by just staying in against anything I could 2HKO. Didn't have trouble with immunities stopping it, but could easily see it happening. I'll probably use Naganadel again once I get a Timid one in UM in a bit.

Buzzwole was good enough that I think I might actually put some more thought into a proper team comp.

 

[Smuckem]

Battle Tree Super Multi Records (with AI partner):

STILL WIP!

Hey boss, I meant to ask, is there any particular reason the Multis section is still a WIP? Anything I or anyone else can do to help 'complete' it, as it were?

 

[Fougeta]

It might work slightly better if someone is your human partner but utilizing the same sets, it would allow you to steer the support usage entirely and prioritize things a little better. Basically, you would need someone functioning as a "Fake Lillie" of sorts, someone willing to use a pretty sub-optimal pair of sets, and entirely devoted to supporting your side of the coin, which is the opposite of how most of the experts on here have proceeded through Multis.

But no one would be crazy enough to make those sets on their own, for this purpose...
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Just a thought.

I've tried running an lead M-Salamence and Firium/Grassium Z Heatran VGC(I'll edit with the sets later) oriented sets to utilize with Lillie, trying to cover her weaknesses and providing most offense as possible while making the most of her support but the maximum i managed to get was to battle 28.

Lillie playstyle is just way too passive and the AI decision making just colaborates to worsen it. Grassy terrain for heatran is kinda nice and I appreciate the healings too but the dual screen strategy isn't even good in the tree to begin with(without even considering the pokemon she has chosen to play that role lol). In a facility where you have to win 50 battle straights to get an stamp and you're vulnerable to the most annoying things like crits getting through all her screens, paralysis everywhere, unpredicted flinches, burns compromising physical attackers effectiveness and even freezing most likely to happen the more you eat Ice Beams/Blizzards (my heatran getting frozen multiple times after the switch almost made me run flamethrower over heat wave to try to avoid that) are more than enough to screw your run, specially if you're without an well prepared team and partner in Multis case.

And I don't know if I got your point very well, what is the purpose of having an human partner running Lillie sets? To try to see if it really can work if the right plays/right mons and sets are used? If that's the case, it seems promising, unfortunately i don't think i have anyone to try those. And btw, mine Lillie Ribombee2 had Sweet Veil(thank god) instead of Honey Gather and it was delicious since while ribombee was in play at least i didn't needed to care about the sleeping ailment.

I'll still try anyway, so if anyone is willing to give some though/advice, I'll really appreciate \o/

 

[Smuckem]

And I don't know if I got your point very well, what is the purpose of having an human partner running Lillie sets? To try to see if it really can work if the right plays/right mons and sets are used? If that's the case, it seems promising, unfortunately i don't think i have anyone to try those. And btw, mine Lillie Ribombee2 had Sweet Veil(thank god) instead of Honey Gather and it was delicious since while ribombee was in play at least i didn't needed to care about the sleeping ailment.

That's correct. It's more of a long-term plan for me, as I don't have any fellow Smogonites near me, but if I ever encounter one in my travels in the future, that's pretty much what I'll be attempting. At that point, I will switch TravelPledge's Ability over to Shield Dust (at bare minimum, to eliminate the possibility of freeze hax and Speed-lowering moves screwing up my screen setting). Light Clay holders were among the first facility sets I re-created way back when, so I would certainly be game for multiple attempts.

(hint hint for all of my fellow Smogonites, if you're ever in the U.S. and around the Boston, MA area sometime...)

 

[ReptoAbysmal]

Smuckem If I ever traveled to the somewhat nearby Boston and took the time to arrange some multis with you, I'd probably want you to run two more viable sets than Lillie mimickry, at least until we both had the stamp :P

During the DPP days when for some random blissful reason GF allowed friends to do battle tower multis over the internet (what was so fucking hard about that to make you take it away?!??!?) a buddy and I used a Trick Room team (what else) and had a blast with it. Friend's only stipulation was that I had to be the setter for whatever reason, so I was sold.

So I would probably try to persuade you to do TR with me and we'd either run all shitmons or Oranguru/Hariyama/Mega x2 lol

If Gen 8 brings that back, superior hardware and whatnot, I'll be pestering someone to try it with me again, even if it means I have to supply all of the mons we use.

 

[Smuckem]

I'm game, if it ever happens. I'll bring the Hariyama/MegaWile along.

 

[Fougeta]

That's correct. It's more of a long-term plan for me, as I don't have any fellow Smogonites near me, but if I ever encounter one in my travels in the future, that's pretty much what I'll be attempting. At that point, I will switch TravelPledge's Ability over to Shield Dust (at bare mininum, to elminate the possibility of freeze hax and Speed-lowering moves screwing up my screen setting). Light Clay holders were among the first facility sets I re-created way back when, so I would certainly be game for multiple attempts.

(hint hint for all of my fellow Smogonites, if you're ever in the U.S. and around the Boston, MA area sometime...)

I'll be looking forward to that. I'll be travelling to the house of someone who plays Pokemon soon but we probably won't have the time to worry about trying to go to the tree with awful sets haha

 

[Haki]

Reporting a win streak of 139 in USUM Super Double Battles! Could've been longer, but I was distracted watching YouTube videos while I was playing, so I made careless plays in my losing battle. Nonetheless, I'm very happy I cracked the leaderboard for the first time (with the shiny event Tapu Koko :D) and I'm looking forward to get an even longer streak in the future!

Streak proof: Unfortunately, the Battle Videos I have saved were taken on Version 1.0. Now that I updated to Version 1.1 I can't view the videos, but I do have a photo proof down below.

Proof

Team/Importable:

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Tapu Lele @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 236 HP / 244 SpA / 28 Spe
Modest Nature
- Psychic
- Moonblast
- Focus Blast
- Protect

Drifblim @ Psychic Seed
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 4 HP / 180 Def / 4 SpA / 244 SpD / 76 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Tailwind
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp
- Haze

Celesteela @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 180 HP / 180 Atk / 148 SpD
Careful Nature
- Heavy Slam
- Flamethrower
- Leech Seed
- Protect

Tapu Koko @ Life Orb
Ability: Electric Surge
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Electro Ball
- Dazzling Gleam
- Grass Knot
- Protect

Development:

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I've always wanted to try the Tapu Lele + Drifblim combo, which was a strong VGC 2017 core first used by Cybertron. It was an interesting core; by giving Drifblim a Psychic Seed, it gets a +2 speed boost and a +1 special defense boost to start the match when complemented with Tapu Lele's Psychic Surge.

By the way, spreads are specifically for VGC, but hey, they worked anyway.

I previously attempted to use Metagross and Landorus-T around the Lele + Drif core, but after failed attempts in the 60s and 70s to Ground teams and Steel teams respectively, I decided to change it up. I added Celesteela to deal with Ground and Poison types, and in general it was just a good mon to have, considering that it saved me in close games (Leech Seeding to victory). Tapu Koko helped mitigate my Dark type weakness and was a good cleanup sweeper to have after one of my two lead mons fainted.

Now, on to explanation to movesets. Since my lead was Tapu Lele + Drifblim, Steel-types would essentially wall me and I would have to switch out Lele first turn. So I decided to give Lele Focus Blast and Fightinium Z, which led to Lele OHKOing most Steel-types, and essentially mons that were weak to Fighting-type moves (with the exception of Sturdy and Sash mons, but Drifblim could break those with Shadow Ball). Tailwind on Drifblim was of course for speed control, and I never failed to get it up due to Drifblim's initial +2 speed boost in the beginning of the match. Will-O-Wisp was to cripple physical attackers, and I opted for Haze over Destiny Bond to prevent setup mons from running through my team (i.e. Dragon Dance Gyarados, Quiver Dance Volcarona). I gave Celesteela Flamethrower for coverage purposes, and Leech Seed + Leftovers stall came in clutch in many situations. Tapu Koko had Grass Knot to deal with Ground-types such as Gastrodon and I opted to use Electro Ball over Thunderbolt to take advantage of Koko's high speed stat and Drifblim's Tailwind. Although I found myself OHKOing mons I wouldn't normally OHKO with Electro Ball, looking back I should've used Thunderbolt because it essentially is more consistent. If Tailwind wasn't up, I was risking the chance of missing the KO on some mons, such as Gyarados.

Fire teams are actually a tough matchup for this team, but Lele and Drifblim can usually take care of the Fire-types with Shadow Ball + Psychic 95% of the time, and let Tapu Koko and Celesteela clean up the rest of the enemy's team.

How to use this team:

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Lead with Tapu Lele + Drifblim. The Tree doesn't use the Tapus, so you will ALWAYS have Psychic Terrain up to activate Drifblim's Psychic Seed and Unburden ability first turn. If the any of the enemy's lead mons outspeeds Tapu Lele, Protect with Lele and set up Tailwind with Drifblim. Then proceed to nuke the most threatening mon on the opponent's side of the field.

If there is a Steel-type that isn't weak to Tapu Lele's All-Out Pummeling, such as Bronzong and Escavalier, switch out Lele to Celesteela and use Will-o-Wisp with Drifblim. Of course, the situation could vary and call for a different solution, but this is what I usually did.

If I see a Fire-type on the opponent's side of the field, I would always prioritize taking it down. Furthermore, if a mon used a stat boosting move such as Quiver Dance and Dragon Dance, I would immediately use Haze the next turn, and not risk getting rekt later on. Fortunately, sometimes the AI is stupid enough to keep boosting even after I Haze, so that was convenient.

Overall, Tapu Lele + Drifblim can destroy most threats and the majority of the enemy team before falling. Tapu Koko and Celesteela would then come in and simply finish the job.

NOTE: I'll make a QR code for my team later today when I have time.

Now I'm one step closer to my goal of cracking the leaderboard in all three categories! I never did the Battle Maison or anything like that, so it's the first time I've ever had a win streak like this, which I guess is pretty cool. :] Hopefully one day I can hit 1000 straight wins in the Tree!

 

[P3DS]

In case anyone's curious, I managed to extract the official QR sample teams using P3DS' PKRentalViewer.

Super Singles Mega Salamence / Tapu Lele / Aegislash Team

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Salamence @ Salamencite
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 60
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 244 Spe
Adamant Nature
IVs: 6 SpA
- Dragon Claw
- Dragon Dance
- Double-Edge
- Earthquake

Tapu Lele @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 92 HP / 252 SpA / 166 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 27 Atk
- Psychic
- Moonblast
- Thunderbolt
- Energy Ball

Aegislash @ Ghostium Z
Ability: Stance Change
Level: 51
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Atk / 4 Def / 142 SpA / 4 SpD / 8 Spe
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Shadow Ball
- Shadow Sneak
- Flash Cannon
- King's Shield

(They also have 0 Happiness.)

Interestingly, the Pokemon appear to have been taken from actual carts, rather than made from scratch. Tapu Lele hits 223 Speed, allowing it to outrun Jolly Mega Aerodactyl (which isn't in the Tree, since the only Mega Aero is Adamant). I'm not sure what benchmarks Aegislash's EV spread is supposed to hit.

Super Doubles L1 Mimikyu / Snorlax / Araquanid / Marowak-A Team

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Mimikyu @ Focus Sash
Ability: Disguise
Level: 1
Jolly Nature
IVs: 8 Atk / 9 SpD / 22 Spe
- Shadow Sneak
- Pain Split
- Trick Room
- Destiny Bond

Snorlax @ Figy Berry
Ability: Gluttony
Level: 50
EVs: 10 HP / 60 Atk / 252 Def / 188 SpD
Adamant Nature
IVs: 3 SpA / 0 Spe
- Body Slam
- High Horsepower
- Belly Drum
- Recycle

Araquanid @ Waterium Z
Ability: Water Bubble
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 11 SpA / 0 Spe
- Liquidation
- Leech Life
- Wide Guard
- Protect

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
Level: 50
EVs: 246 HP / 244 Atk / 20 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 8 SpA / 27 Spe
- Shadow Bone
- Flare Blitz
- Bonemerang
- Protect

I'm not sure why Marowak-A has a 27 Speed IV; maybe someone messed up?

The teams are nothing groundbreaking, but I figured this was some interesting trivia nonetheless.

The zero happiness is something that I had hard programmed, since happiness isn't stored in the QR codes, and I couldn't find the exact number. Its some middling number iirc.

 

[SadisticMystic]

QR rental teams always have happiness 70 (regardless of the species' base happiness levels), so Return will have 28 power, and Frustration 74.

 

[P3DS]

QR rental teams always have happiness 70 (regardless of the species' base happiness levels), so Return will have 28 power, and Frustration 74.

Great. I can implement this in my next build. The only reason is was 0 was just cause it was for showdown, and the paste I based my code on had the happiness, and it was left as 0

 

[Pav A Nice Day]

Damn somebody beat my Multis streak...now I'm gonna have to edit my resumé...

Anyway, first time back on these forums in a long while. Ever since USUM came out I've been smashing the battle tree with this new team. Once I saw Kommo-o's ridiculously OP Z-Move I knew I had to build a team around it. Had no idea it would work this well since setting up in doubles usually isn't the best strategy (Trick Room excluded). My current Doubles streak is ongoing at 290.

Battle #290: 5Z7G-WWWW-WWWC-76V3

Kommo-o / Mega Kangaskhan / Aegislash / Arcanine

Kommo-o (Totem) @ Kommonium Z
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
Nature: Rash
-Clanging Scales (Clangorous Soulblaze)
-Close Combat
-Flamethrower
-Protect

Summary

Clangorous Soulblaze is a Base 185 STAB Never-Miss Spread "Hits through Protect" move that gives Kommo-O +1 in every stat after hitting...it's insane. To put that in perspective, a +1 everything Kommo-o has roughly; the Attack of a Mega Metagross, the Defense of a Mega Slowbro, the Sp. Attack of a Mega Mewtwo Y (seriously), the Sp. Def of a Mega Blastoise and the Speed of a Mega Alakazam. So it's quite strong. A +1 Clanging Scales does almost as much damage as the Z move so the common strategy is to just spam those Clangers with the first 2 turns.
I originally went Bulletproof but never got targeted with Shadow Ball or Sludge Bomb so switched to Soundproof but there are no Pixilate Hyper Voice mons in the tree so ended up with Overcoat. Totem over regular to avoid Aerodactyl Sky Drop. Originally had modest but did the maths and found I could get away with Rash after accounting for the +1 Sp Def against slower mons with Moonblast or Psychic. I did start with a modest build with Flash Cannon over Close Combat, but CC is far more useful, I might look at the maths for Flash Cannon over Flamethrower for the fairy coverage.

Kangaskhan @ Kangashkhanite
Ability: Scrappy/Parental Bond
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Nature: Adamant
-Fake Out
-Return
-Low Kick
-Sucker Punch

Summary

Since this team is built around Kommo-o setting up it made sense to use a Fake Out mon to draw 1 attack away on the first turn and protect the star of the show. I had Power-Up-Punch for the first 100 or so battles but low kick has worked much better. PUP would just never OHKO anything, which is worth more to this team than getting the +2 stat boost. Worth me checking the calcs on scenarios that would need Double Edge over Return in the future to see if it's worth the recoil.

Aegislash @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpAtk / 4 SpDef
Nature: Quiet
-Shadow Ball
-Flash Cannon
-Wide Guard
-King's Shield

Summary

The opening pair needed coverage against Fighting, Fairy, Flying, Ice, Psychic and Ghost. So here comes the blade. Fairly standard doubles Aegislash build. Wide Guard can be a life saver. I started out with giving it Leftovers to hold but I felt double battles don't last long enough to really get their benefit so went ultra-aggro with Weakness Policy.

Arcanine @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 228 HP / 156 Def / 36 SpA / 20 SpD / 68 Spe
Nature: Modest
- Burn Up
- Helping Hand
- Protect
- Toxic

Summary

Nice EV set ripped with eternal gratitude from Josh.C's team. Enough Special Attack EVs to take care of 2 potential threats; Mega-Metagross and Mega Mawile. Haven't actually done the calcs on the other EVs to see if it's worth changing. Burn Up of course works great removing the fire type and any super effective hits. I have also tried Snarl (effective, but the scenarios it is useful in are rare) and Extremespeed (too low power to be helpful imo) instead of Helping Hand. Might try an Aguav Berry for a bit but Sitrus has worked perfectly well.

The strategy here is quite clear; Fake Out with Mega-Kanga on anything that could threaten Kommo-o and then Z-Move. +1 Kommo-o is near impossible to take down without it wrecking absolute destruction on the other team.

Since Kangaskhan can flinch one opponent before Kommo-o gets going, the threats to this team are generally when the opponent opens with a pair of any of the following;

• Fairy Types - Obviously immune to Clangorous Soulblaze. Luckily fairy types tend to have pretty poor Defense stats so Mega Kanga can do heavy damage with Return. Aegislash and Arcanine combine to wall most fairy types.
• Fast Psychic Types - Latis, Azelf, A-Raichu...anything with Psychic really. Luckily I just protect bait with Kommo-o while Kangaskhan mops up with Return and Sucker Punch.
• Mons immune to Fake Out - Tough purely because I just have to make sure I always remember which threatening mons can carry Inner Focus (Lucario, Crobat, Gallade etc...). This also includes Ribombee (Shield Dust), Bruxish (Dazzling) and most dangerously Tsareena-4 (Queenly Majesty) which is Choice Scarfed and has Play Rough and High Jump Kick so can KO both of my opening pair. The strategy here usually involves a double switch, Aegislash for Kanga in case of Fighting move and Arcanine for Kommo-o in case of Fairy move.
• Soundproof - Clanging Scales and Clangorous Soulblaze are sound-based moves, so useless against Soundproof. Again a memory game. Electrode and Bouffalant don't scream "Threat" like Mega Latios or Gardevoir but they can be a nuisance. Ironically, opposing Kommo-o is a major threat to this team, if it carries Soundproof by pure luck. Solution to opposing K-o is usually to double switch, get the intimidate drop and revenge kill with Aegislash.

 

[scoobydoobydrew]

Well I'm back at it again, and honestly USUM Tree has not been as fun to me, maybe because I already got somewhat bored of the SM Tree while playing it and still insanely miss my Triple Battles. I've built a Doubles team that looks suspiciously similar to many of the newer ones thanks to Kommo-o's new Z-move being ridiculously strong, but I only really screwed around with it to get the stamp. Looking to potentially invest in some changes and take this team far, though.

Set Details

Lopunny (F) @ Lopunnite
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Cute Charm -> Scrappy
IVs: 31/31/31/xx/31/31
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
- Fake Out
- Return
- Low Kick
- Encore

Kommo-o (M) @ Kommonium Z
Nature: Timid
Ability: Overcoat
IVs: 31/xx/31/31/31/31
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
- Clanging Scales (Clangorous Soulblaze)
- Flash Cannon
- Flamethrower
- Protect

Aegislash (M) @ Life Orb
Nature: Brave
Ability: Stance Change
IVs: 31/31/31/xx/31/0
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Atk / 36 Spe
- Iron Head
- Shadow Claw
- King's Shield
- Wide Guard

Sylveon (F) @ Focus Sash
Nature: Modest
Ability: Pixilate
IVs: 31/xx/31/31/31/31
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
- Hyper Beam
- Hyper Voice
- Yawn
- Protect

General Comments

So my team focuses on what most Kommo-o teams have done: letting it set up to +1 in all stats with a damage-dealing move and then wreck the opposing team. I've wanted to use Mega Lopunny for a while and knew a Fake Out lead would be its primary usage. Definite pros of using Lopunny include a Fighting-type and what I believe is the fastest Fake Out in the tree, tied with itself (Lopunny-3). Interestingly, Fake Out users that I miss out on tend to target Lopunny anyway owing to its lower Defense, so generally Kommo-o is safe to set up. I was trying to figure out a moveset and Josh C. made a great argument for Encore, which has so far proved to be useful on some occasions, definitely more so than Protect. If I were to change anything about it, the only thing I would do is rebreed for an HA one, as I would be able to occasionally avoid paralysis when flinching Zapdos, Electrode and the like.

Kommo-o itself is, once again, dangerous with all its stats boosted. I originally opted for a special set but honestly, I've been disappointed with both the damage output and the lack of a Fighting-move if Lopunny becomes disabled or faints. I'm considering switching sets to Hasty or Naive in order to allow me to run Close Combat and Poison Jab/Iron Head over Flash Cannon and Flamethrower, as it still covers the intended types - Close Combat is even stronger with a STAB boost, whereas the Fairy-coverage move of choice would hit on the physical side and hurt MUCH more than Flash Cannon has so far. I'm also considering an Attack or Special Attackc boosting nature over Speed, as I sometimes feel that Kommo-o's moves lack oomph, but at the same time, the Speed boost helps Kommo-o outspeed a handful of Pokemon at +1, a specific threat being Mega Alakazam. Still, Kommo-o dishes out some crazy damage with Clanging Scales, fearing only Fairies. (As a side note, does anyone know if Clangorous Soulblaze still boosts stats if the move does not affect either opponent due to type immunity or Soundproof? Been to scared to test this myself.)

Aegislash comes in as much needed coverage against literally every type that threatens my leads. To be honest, this is my first time using Aegislash so I kind of ripped what seems to be the common Aegislash Doubles Tree set but transposed it to the physical side. I don't mind the weakness of Shadow Claw, since the main purpose is to hit some specially bulky stuff that Kommo-o and Sylveon can't really touch, especially some Psychic types that can take a +1 Clanging Scales and KO Kommo-o back. I've been impressed with its performance and can see why so many people use it now, though the item is a tough call for me. With the Z-move slot already taken, I settled for Life Orb, though thanks to Pav A Nice Day, Weakness Policy now also seems to be a good option. Perhaps I'll switch Aegislash over to a special set if I change Kommo-o to mixed and switch out my last Pokemon overall.

Speaking of which, please feel free to laugh at my Sylveon set. Don't ask me why when I thought of a nuke to get me to 50 wins, I chose to back my team up with Hyper Beam Sylveon. I'm definitely looking to replace it as I've basically been using it to fire off Hyper Voice when necessary, get a final kill, or Yawn something. Please suggest something to put in place of this, though legendaries will be tough as I'll be searching for those for a while on some trade forums (I hate training Pokemon to 100 for Hyper Training hahah).

After I make some changes, I'm definitely looking to go for a leaderboard spot as I never actually got my SM streak to 1000 yet. But who knows - maybe Kommo-o is the Pokemon that will get me there. (Or, maybe Gen 8 will bring back Triple Battles and I can really shine again.)

 

[ReptoAbysmal]

Well I'm back at it again, and honestly USUM Tree has not been as fun to me, maybe because I already got somewhat bored of the SM Tree while playing it and still insanely miss my Triple Battles. ... (Or, maybe Gen 8 will bring back Triple Battles and I can really shine again.)

You and me both! Half the stuff I’ve been breeding was done in waiting for that blessed day. For instance, I had gotten very excited when looking at Pyukumuku’s support options a while back, but it has no place on a doubles team. I still took the time to get an Unaware and have a couple sets planned for it, though.

 

[Smuckem]

You and me both! Half the stuff I’ve been breeding was done in waiting for that blessed day. For instance, I had gotten very excited when looking at Pyukumuku’s support options a while back, but it has no place on a doubles team. I still took the time to get an Unaware and have a couple sets planned for it, though.

On the front of things being optimized for future Triples, I know you had mentioned a while back that you were basically waiting for confirmation of tutors before making any movements of substance with TR Lurantis--now that USUM is here, how has that experimentation been going? I ask because I was talking with a couple of people yesterday trying to make Lurantis work in more standard teams.

Always good to see you still advancing, Charlie.

 

[Torqan]

Updated post #3,101 with photo proof. Wish I had the video so I could write up a better review though.

 

[Josh C.]

Cool to see a good level of activity here, and some nice streaks too! I've made a pretty slow start to proceedings in the USUM Tree, but before I go away for Christmas I'd like to briefly share this Grassy Trick Room team I've been testing. Level 51 has set me a benchmark of 300 wins to hit; if I manage to do it, he'll be impressed! Right now the team's sitting at 150 wins, but if I fall short, either way I'll come back to this post to elaborate upon at a later date.

Prep the slow Bulu

Oranguru (F) ("Agent 9") @ Lum Berry
Nature: Relaxed
Ability: Inner Focus
IVs: 31/0/31/31/31/0
EVs: 212 HP / 164 Def / 132 SpD
- Trick Room
- Instruct
- Psychic
- Protect

Camerupt (M) ("Hot Humps") @ Cameruptite
Nature: Quiet
Ability: Magma Armor --> Sheer Force
IVs: 31/0/30/31/31/1
EVs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 12 SpD
- Protect
- Heat Wave
- Earth Power
- Nature Power

Tapu Bulu ("#unviabulu") @ Grassium Z
Nature: Brave
Ability: Grassy Surge
IVs: 31/5/31/27/31/3, Hyper Trained to 31/31/31/27/31/3
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Atk / 12 Def
- Wood Hammer {Bloom Doom}
- Horn Leech
- Superpower
- Protect

Stakataka ("Jenga") @ Chople Berry
Nature: Lonely
Ability: Beast Boost
IVs: 29/31/11/31/31/1, Hyper Trained to 31/31/11/31/31/1
EVs: 188 HP / 252 Atk / 68 SpD
- Gyro Ball
- Rock Slide
- Protect
- Wide Guard

Battle Videos

#66 vs Dancer Atalanta: MLYG-WWWW-WWWC-BW6F [Kingdra/Swampert/Carracosta/Beartic]
#100 vs Cynthia: 58QW-WWWW-WWWC-BWUE [Milotic/Togekiss/Lucario/Spiritomb]
#114 vs Veteran Xio: RHBG-WWWW-WWWC-BXWH [Aromatisse/Primarina/Florges/Mawile]
#120 vs Plumeria: SBPW-WWWW-WWWC-BX2Y [Gengar/Lurantis/Toxapex/Crobat]
#125 vs Gentleman Mechabob: XNAG-WWWW-WWWC-BX4D [Regirock/Virizion/Entei/Suicune]
#128 vs Aether Foundation Luke: UHKW-WWWW-WWWC-BX69 [Salamence/A-Ninetales/Aurorus/Espeon]
#134 vs Worker Omar: W2JW-WWWW-WWWC-BX7B [Armaldo/Golem/Electrode/Magnezone]
#142 vs Office Worker Jana: ZU9G-WWWW-WWWC-BX8F [Ambipom/Musharna/Komala/Aromatisse]
#147 vs Punk Guy Etta: 3LWW-WWWW-WWWC-BXAJ [Gyarados/Salamence/Mawile/Arcanine]

 

[Worldie]

Speaking of which, please feel free to laugh at my Sylveon set. Don't ask me why when I thought of a nuke to get me to 50 wins, I chose to back my team up with Hyper Beam Sylveon. I'm definitely looking to replace it as I've basically been using it to fire off Hyper Voice when necessary, get a final kill, or Yawn something. Please suggest something to put in place of this, though legendaries will be tough as I'll be searching for those for a while on some trade forums (I hate training Pokemon to 100 for Hyper Training hahah).

Options I can suggest you for Sylveon would be Helping Hand (given both Lopunny and Kommo-O tend to lack that extra oompf of damage often enough), Misty Terrain / Safeguard / Heal Bell (get rid of those annoying status), or simply a coverage move (Shadow Ball? Psyshock to hit Blissey?)

 

[ReptoAbysmal]

On the front of things being optimized for future Triples, I know you had mentioned a while back that you were basically waiting for confirmation of tutors before making any movements of substance with TR Lurantis--now that USUM is here, how has that experimentation been going? I ask because I was talking with a couple of people yesterday trying to make Lurantis work in more standard teams.

Always good to see you still advancing, Charlie.

It gets Superpower and Knock Off which is already leaps above what it had. Not enough to make it plow through teams on its own, but enough to make me want to include it in my pool of randoms.

Cool to see a good level of activity here, and some nice streaks too! I've made a pretty slow start to proceedings in the USUM Tree, but before I go away for Christmas I'd like to briefly share this Grassy Trick Room team I've been testing. Level 51 has set me a benchmark of 300 wins to hit; if I manage to do it, he'll be impressed! Right now the team's sitting at 150 wins, but if I fall short, either way I'll come back to this post to elaborate upon at a later date.

Prep the slow Bulu

Oranguru (F) ("Agent 9") @ Lum Berry
Nature: Relaxed
Ability: Inner Focus
IVs: 31/0/31/31/31/0
EVs: 212 HP / 164 Def / 132 SpD
- Trick Room
- Instruct
- Psychic
- Protect

Camerupt (M) ("Hot Humps") @ Cameruptite
Nature: Quiet
Ability: Magma Armor --> Sheer Force
IVs: 31/0/30/31/31/0
EVs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 12 SpD
- Protect
- Heat Wave
- Earth Power
- Nature Power

Tapu Bulu ("#unviabulu") @ Grassium Z
Nature: Brave
Ability: Grassy Surge
IVs: 31/5/31/27/31/3, Hyper Trained to 31/31/31/27/31/3
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Atk / 12 Def
- Wood Hammer {Bloom Doom}
- Horn Leech
- Superpower
- Protect

Stakataka ("Jenga") @ Chople Berry
Nature: Lonely
Ability: Beast Boost
IVs: 29/31/11/31/31/1, Hyper Trained to 31/31/11/31/31/1
EVs: 188 HP / 252 Atk / 68 SpD
- Gyro Ball
- Rock Slide
- Protect
- Wide Guard

Battle Videos

#66 vs Dancer Atalanta: MLYG-WWWW-WWWC-BW6F [Kingdra/Swampert/Carracosta/Beartic]
#100 vs Cynthia: 58QW-WWWW-WWWC-BWUE [Milotic/Togekiss/Lucario/Spiritomb]
#114 vs Veteran Xio: RHBG-WWWW-WWWC-BXWH [Aromatisse/Primarina/Florges/Mawile]
#120 vs Plumeria: SBPW-WWWW-WWWC-BX2Y [Gengar/Lurantis/Toxapex/Crobat]
#125 vs Gentleman Mechabob: XNAG-WWWW-WWWC-BX4D [Regirock/Virizion/Entei/Suicune]
#128 vs Aether Foundation Luke: UHKW-WWWW-WWWC-BX69 [Salamence/A-Ninetales/Aurorus/Espeon]
#134 vs Worker Omar: W2JW-WWWW-WWWC-BX7B [Armaldo/Golem/Electrode/Magnezone]
#142 vs Office Worker Jana: ZU9G-WWWW-WWWC-BX8F [Ambipom/Musharna/Komala/Aromatisse]
#147 vs Punk Guy Etta: 3LWW-WWWW-WWWC-BXAJ [Gyarados/Salamence/Mawile/Arcanine]

Regardless of what this team ultimately accomplishes, it looks more than fun enough that I want to try it myself! Especially since I’ve got an optimized Bulu for it!

 

[turskain]

Cool to see a good level of activity here, and some nice streaks too! I've made a pretty slow start to proceedings in the USUM Tree, but before I go away for Christmas I'd like to briefly share this Grassy Trick Room team I've been testing. Level 51 has set me a benchmark of 300 wins to hit; if I manage to do it, he'll be impressed! Right now the team's sitting at 150 wins, but if I fall short, either way I'll come back to this post to elaborate upon at a later date.

Prep the slow Bulu

Oranguru (F) ("Agent 9") @ Lum Berry
Nature: Relaxed
Ability: Inner Focus
IVs: 31/0/31/31/31/0
EVs: 212 HP / 164 Def / 132 SpD
- Trick Room
- Instruct
- Psychic
- Protect

Camerupt (M) ("Hot Humps") @ Cameruptite
Nature: Quiet
Ability: Magma Armor --> Sheer Force
IVs: 31/0/30/31/31/0
EVs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 12 SpD
- Protect
- Heat Wave
- Earth Power
- Nature Power

Tapu Bulu ("#unviabulu") @ Grassium Z
Nature: Brave
Ability: Grassy Surge
IVs: 31/5/31/27/31/3, Hyper Trained to 31/31/31/27/31/3
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Atk / 12 Def
- Wood Hammer {Bloom Doom}
- Horn Leech
- Superpower
- Protect

Stakataka ("Jenga") @ Chople Berry
Nature: Lonely
Ability: Beast Boost
IVs: 29/31/11/31/31/1, Hyper Trained to 31/31/11/31/31/1
EVs: 188 HP / 252 Atk / 68 SpD
- Gyro Ball
- Rock Slide
- Protect
- Wide Guard

Battle Videos

#66 vs Dancer Atalanta: MLYG-WWWW-WWWC-BW6F [Kingdra/Swampert/Carracosta/Beartic]
#100 vs Cynthia: 58QW-WWWW-WWWC-BWUE [Milotic/Togekiss/Lucario/Spiritomb]
#114 vs Veteran Xio: RHBG-WWWW-WWWC-BXWH [Aromatisse/Primarina/Florges/Mawile]
#120 vs Plumeria: SBPW-WWWW-WWWC-BX2Y [Gengar/Lurantis/Toxapex/Crobat]
#125 vs Gentleman Mechabob: XNAG-WWWW-WWWC-BX4D [Regirock/Virizion/Entei/Suicune]
#128 vs Aether Foundation Luke: UHKW-WWWW-WWWC-BX69 [Salamence/A-Ninetales/Aurorus/Espeon]
#134 vs Worker Omar: W2JW-WWWW-WWWC-BX7B [Armaldo/Golem/Electrode/Magnezone]
#142 vs Office Worker Jana: ZU9G-WWWW-WWWC-BX8F [Ambipom/Musharna/Komala/Aromatisse]
#147 vs Punk Guy Etta: 3LWW-WWWW-WWWC-BXAJ [Gyarados/Salamence/Mawile/Arcanine]

Very cool, seeing Chople Berry on Stakataka surprises me - would it be possible to run Iron Ball + Fling on Bulu to both make it slower under Trick Room, and give it a 130BP Dark coverage move, and Rockium-Z on Stakataka instead? Rock Slide/Stone Edge accuracy always makes me scared, and having a Z-Move on a Beast Boost mon is alluring, while Iron Ball brushing up both Speed and offensive coverage feels like the "Scarf of TR" to minimize Bulu's faults.

 

[Worldie]

I've been working with Zrockium staka with some success but i still fail at finding a lead that is not oranyama. Wtb anything that is not those or l2 how to setup TR without fake out :(