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Discussion in 'BW OU Teams' started by Organization Member XIV, Nov 17, 2012.

  1. Organization Member XIV

    Organization Member XIV

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    Hello Smogon. After doing fairly well with a UU team I posted, I'm back with another team, this time OU style. After seeing about a bajillion weather teams, I decided to make a non-weather one. So, without further adieu, I will begin.

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    Genesect@Expert Belt
    Ability:Download
    252 SpAtk, 252 Spe, 4 SpDef
    Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
    Rock Polish
    Flamethrower
    Ice Beam
    Bug Buzz

    OMG why don't you use Scarf Genesect?! Damn Scarfsect worshippers, thinking it's the only set that's viable. Anyway, RPsect is probably one of my favorite anti-meta sets, if you can call it anti-meta. Rock Polish is great just because so may people expect Scarf Genesect it's not even funny. I chose Expert Belt over Life Orb because if I don't want to Rock Polish I can bluff the Scarf. Flamethrower is great to roast Pokemon like Scizor, Ferro, Abomasnow and whatnot. Ice Beam is great for dealing with the Dragons like L@tis and Dragonite. Finally, I chose Giga Drain over Thunderbolt cause Gastrodon walls me otherwise, and also because I can still hit Pokemon like Politoed hard anyways.

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    Deoxys-D@Leftovers
    Ability:Pressure
    252 HP, 252 SpDef, 4 Def
    Calm Nature(+SpDef, -Atk)
    Recover
    Stealth Rock
    Spikes
    Night Shade

    What is probably the undisputed king of leads for Hyper Offense teams is still a great choice in general for getting up hazards. Stealth Rock and Spikes are both great for dealing residual damage, which is nice to deal with Multiscale Dragonite and really any Pokemon in general. Recover is nice for keeping up my health, and Seismic Toss is so I'm not Taunt bait.

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    Terrakion@Choice Band
    Ability:Justified
    252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 HP
    Jolly Nature(+Spe, -SpAtk)
    Close Combat
    Stone Edge
    X-Scissor
    Quick Attack

    Ah, Banded Terrakion, how I love you so. The power of CB Terrakion is amazing. Close Combat is primary STAB, and is easily spammable once all Ghosts and Psychics have been removed. Stone Edge is basically the same case, and destroys DNite and Mence, as well as Tornadus and Thundurus-T. X-Scissor mutilates Reuniclus and Deoxys Defense. Finally, Quick Attack seems really weird, but it my opinion, it works and has saved me at least once.

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    Latias@Life Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 72 HP / 192 SAtk / 244 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Psyshock
    - Draco Meteor
    - Recover
    - Hidden Power [Fire]

    Latias was suggested by dragonuser over Alakazam, and I feel it is working out better. HP Fire still nails Ferro and whatnot, Psyshock hurts Blissey and Chansey as well as Breloom. Draco Meteor collapses faces into the cranium, and Recover is good ol' healing.

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    Mamoswine @ Life Orb
    Trait: Thick Fat
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Shard
    - Icicle Crash
    - Superpower

    Mamoswine was put in place of Jirachi as it really did kill my momentum now that I think about it. Earthquake is primary STAB and destroys Heatran and the like. Ice Shard is great for revenging mons like Landorus and Dragons, Icicle Crash is for slower threats, and Superpower is for Steels.

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    Garchomp@Choice Scarf
    Ability:Rough Skin
    252 Spe, 252 Atk, 4 HP
    Adamant Nature(+Atk, -SpAtk)
    Outrage
    Earthquake
    Stone Edge
    Fire Fang

    ScarfChomp is coming to destroy all your souls. Nah, I jest, I jest. Anyways, Outrage is easily spammable once all Steels/Mamoswines have been removed. Earthquake is great for removing non-Balloon Heatran, as well as Jolteon and Magnezone. Stone Edge murders basically the same stuff it does coming from Terrakion. Finally, Fire Fang is for Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Forretress.

    So, that's the team, and I hope you take some time to critique it.

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    Genesect @ Expert Belt
    Trait: Download
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
    Modest Nature
    - Rock Polish
    - Flamethrower
    - Ice Beam
    - Bug Buzz

    Deoxys-Defense @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature
    - Recover
    - Night Shade
    - Stealth Rock
    - Spikes

    Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Close Combat
    - Stone Edge
    - X-Scissor
    - Quick Attack

    Latias (F) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 72 HP / 192 SAtk / 244 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Psyshock
    - Draco Meteor
    - Recover
    - Hidden Power [Fire]

    Mamoswine @ Life Orb
    Trait: Thick Fat
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Shard
    - Icicle Crash
    - Superpower

    Garchomp @ Choice Band
    Trait: Rough Skin
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Fire Fang
    - Outrage
    - Stone Edge
  2. Alfalfa

    Alfalfa Banned deucer.

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    On Genesect, I recommend Bug Buzz > Giga Drain so you have a STAB move to go to. Hmm, Alakazam seems a bit dead weight on your team? Can you try Starmie > Alakazam? It likes Terrakion, so it might be able to fit.

    Starmie (open)

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    Starmie @ Life Orb / Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Ice Beam
    - Hydro Pump
    - Thunderbolt
    - Recover / Rapid Spin

    Life Orb works best with Recover, and Leftovers with Rapid Spin.
  3. Organization Member XIV

    Organization Member XIV

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    Thanks. I'll try out your suggestions later.
  4. Goutland

    Goutland

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    I'm noticing your team is easily swept by RP Landorus after Jirachi is weakened, as it can set up on Terrakion or Garchomp locked into the proper move then 6-0 your team. If you decide to kill Heatran with Terrakion or Garchomp, pretty much your only options, Landorus is really free to hit the instant win button known as rock polish.

    Haxrachi is great and all, but you're running HO and all of your guys are already really fast. The paralysis support doesn't seem needed at all for anything to sweep. The wish support doesn't seem necessary either, unless you really want to get Genesect in with full health. But things that threaten Jirachi generally threaten Genesect, so you'll be hard pressed to pass off a wish. Garchomp might appreciate the wish, but he's fast enough to outspeed and kill most things with a scarf anyway. Having a defense pokemon too just loses all of the momentum you create with the HO playstyle.

    For those reasons I'm gonna suggest LO Mamoswine over Jirachi, letting you eliminate things like Landorus, Gliscor, and opposing dragons without being walled by the same things RP Genesect is walled by, such as Heatran and Blissey.

    Also IMO, Alakazam's only role should be a focus sashed revenge killer, namely because it's the most effective set. LO with magic guard is nice and all, but you don't really need the extra power to threaten the things you need to. Plus, Reuniclus does it better. Switching to focus sash lets you revenge a bunch of +2 threats or things that outspeed Terrakion/Chomp, like scarf Latios and RP Genesect, and maybe some other things in a pinch.
  5. dragonuser

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    Hey there,

    So this team looks pretty cool, but Rain teams in general look threatening. Nothing on this team wants to come into Keldeo under the rain, especially Scarfed variants. On a somewhat similar note, Venusaur under the sun also looks very dangerous. At +2 Venusaur can pretty much run straight through you. To help a little with this, I would suggest switching the roles of Terrakion and Garchomp. By making Terrakion Scarfed and Garchomp Banded, you gain a much more reliable revenge killer (one that speed ties Keldeo) and Banded Garchomp still hits like a truck. Now to give you more reliable answers to the previously mentioned threats, I would change out Alakazam for LO Latias. Latias is a fantastic Keldeo check, and also a pretty good Venusaur check. It also does a lot of what Alakazam did for you, but gives you a lot more bulk to fall back on. I would use Draco Meteor / Psyshock / Hidden Power Fire / Recover with a spread of EVs: 72 HP / 192 SAtk / 244 Spd @Timid. Max speed isn't used as HP Fire will lower your speed below other base 110's no matter what, so it is meant to outspeed base 108's. The HP EV's give you a LO number, with the rest of the EV's going into power. Also a minor nitpick, use Night Shade over Seismic Toss on Deoxys-D, so you can hit Gengar/Ghosts. Anyways, cool team gl.

    tldr:
    Choice Scarf -----> Choice Band on Garchomp
    Choice Band -----> Choice Scarf on Terrakion
    Alakazam -----> LO Latias
    Seismic Toss -----> Night Shade on Deoxys-D
  6. Organization Member XIV

    Organization Member XIV

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    Thanks for the feedback guys. I'll try everyone's suggestions and see how they turn out.

    EDIT: Keeping changes suggested by DragonUser and Goutland.
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