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Bellossom (GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Lolk, Nov 17, 2013.

  1. Lolk

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    [Overview]

    <p>Bellossom sadly functions terribly in the NU metagame; none of its base stats are up to par, its movepool is severely lacking, it's slow, and its ability doesn't help it at all. Bellossom has the base stats for a decent special wall, but it has little reason to be used over Roselia or Vileplume. Bellossom has the small niche of being able to wall Ground- and Psychic-types, as well as Ludicolo and Samurott, but you are generally better off using one of the other two.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Stun Spore
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock / Synthesis
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Bellossom's best bet is running a niche dual powder set, checking Pokemon such as specially offensive Samurott, Ludicolo, and Musharna. Sleep Powder and Stun Spore spread status throughout the opposing team, giving Bellossom's teammates several chances to set up. Giga Drain is a solid STAB attack that also grants Bellossom nifty recovery. Hidden Power Rock hits all of the Pokemon that switch into Giga Drain, such as Bug-, Fire-, and Flying-types. However, Synthesis is a reliable recovery option that can be used over Hidden Power Rock if Bellossom's longevity is important.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Sweepers such as Shell Smash Carracosta and Shift Gear Klang are great partners for Bellossom because they synergize well with it and can easily set up on a sleeping or paralyzed foe. Metang is a good defensive partner as it has similar symmetry to Klang, but it also supports the team with Stealth Rock. Lastly, Fighting-types make great partners because they can eliminate Sap Sipper Pokemon that walk all over this set.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Much like Bellossom's performance in battle, its other options are quite limited. Petal Dance is an option for greater attacking power, but locking itself into a move is too risky to be of great use. Leech Seed is an option to support the team, but Bellossom has trouble fitting it into a set. A Teeter Dance and Stun Spore combination creates an annoying paraflinch situation, but that strategy is luck-based and unreliable. Bellossom could take advantage of the sun with Chlorophyll, Solar Beam, and Hidden Power Fire, but it is outclassed as a setter by Volbeat, Custap Berry Golem, and Liepard and as a sweeper by Victreebel, Sawsbuck, and Charizard. Lastly, a Swords Dance set with Sleep Powder, Seed Bomb, and Drain Punch is doable, but the damage output is underwhelming and Bellossom can easily be revenge killed.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Pokemon with Sap Sipper are the greatest checks to Bellossom because they can use their boost to easily sweep Bellossom's team. Strong physical attackers such as Sawk can easily plow through Bellossom as well. Pokemon with Guts, such as Swellow and Ursaring, can switch in on a status attack if their Orbs have been activated and hurt Bellossom. Serperior can use Taunt or Substitute and takes very little from all of Bellossom's attacks. RestTalk Regice is good counter to this set as well as it can handle all of the attacks and fire back with Ice Beam. Clerics such as Audino and Lickilicky remove the status Bellossom spreads throughout the team and can sponge off all of its attacks. In general, faster Pokemon that resist Giga Drain can switch in and threaten Bellossom with their STAB moves; these include Swellow, Charizard, and Braviary. Lastly, Steel-types resist both of Bellossom's attacks, so they can easily move around Bellossom.</p>

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    [Overview]
    • terribad in NU
    • outclassed in almost all ways possible
    • Bad ability and Speed
    • Vileplume and even Roselia could accomplish the exact same thing Bellossom could, but a Poison typing, which offers more utility. Bellossom resists Ground-types and has slightly better Special Defense so I guess that's a niche.
    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Stun Spore / Synthesis
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Really niche dual powder + Ludicolo/special Samurott check
    • Primarily spreads status through Sleep Powder and Stun Spore, allowing for an opponent to set up and sweep.
    • Synthesis is an reliable recovery option that allows Bellossom to sponge attacks for a little longer.
    • Giga Drain is a STAB attack and reliable recovery
    • HP Rock hits the Bug-, Flying-, and Fire-types that all switch in on Bellossom's expected STAB.
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Energy Ball or Petal Dance could be used for more power if teammates offer Bellossom reliable recovery.
    • Good offensive partners are Rock-types, which synergize well with Bellossom, such as Carracosta who can sweep with Shell Smash.
    • Steel-types also decently synergize with Bellossom. Good examples are Metang, who can set up Stealth Rocks, and Klang, who can sweep with Shift Gear.
    • Fighting-type partners, such as Sawk and Primeape, remove the Sap Sipper Pokemon that walk all over the set.
    [Other Options]
    • Teeter Dance but nah
    • Sunny Day, Chlorophyll, and Solar Beam abuse but outclassed.
    • Swords Dance + Leaf Blade and Drain Punch
    [Checks and Counter]
    • Sap Sipper Pokemon (Sawsbuck and Miltank) walk all over the set.
    • Strong physical attackers such as Sawk can also break through its lower Defense stat
    • Guts Pokemon can absorb Bellossom's status attacks, such as Zangoose, Ursaring, and Swellow, and seriously hurt it.
    • Serperior can Taunt it and takes nothing from it's attacks.
    • RestTalk Regice also abuses the set.
    • Clerics such as Audino and Lickilicky eliminate the statuses that Bellossom spreads throughout the team.
    • Any Pokemon with super effective STABs can switch in on a Giga Drain and scare out Bellossom including Fire-, Bug-, Flying-, Poison-, and Flying-types, but they must all be wary of Bellossom's status moves. Jynx can do the same as well.
    • Steel-types resist its attacks.
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    mention that it should only be used as a niche check on teams that want dual powder + a mon that can sponge attacks from special rott + ludicolo. dont even mention that it should be used on balanced teams because it really shouldnt be used at all. i forgot about synthesis but i think it could be slashed with stun spore since it's useful

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    ty soul, will write this up sometime.
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    this is written
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    [Overview]
    • I don't really like the wording of the last sentence. I'd rather change it to "Bellossom has an extremely small niche in the ability to check Ground- and Psychic-types easier while checking Water-types such as Ludicolo and Samurott, but is still not worth using most of the time."
    [SET]
    • Shouldn't Synthesis be slashed with HP Rock instead? I mean, if the niche of the set is dual powder + other stuffs it probably should get its own slot. Plus basically everything HP Rock hits is crippled by Sleep Powder / Stun Spore anyway except for Sap Sippers which take shit from HP Rock.
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Petal Dance in OO, locking yourself into it is really really bad. Get rid of Energy Ball entirely since there's absolutely no reason to use it. Add Leech Seed here instead, since it can add to its supportive qualities.
    [Checks and Counters]
    • Remove Gurdurr from the Guts abusers since it never holds a status Orb.
    Implement pls Lolkomori and I'll stamp.
  8. Lolk

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    Implemented Dat Blast and I am fine with Synthesis behind HP Rock. I see it working well in both spots, but it is Bellossom, so i am not too concerned.
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    Don't say HP Rock hits Sap Sippers because it does like nothing to them.

    Also mention Leech Seed somewhere cause it's a pretty decent support move, either in AC or OO.

    Do this and 3/3 Lolkomori
  10. Lolk

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    thanks Dat Blast , and lol at me being dumb with my editing, i must be really out if it.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Bellossom sadly functions terribly in the NU metagame; none of its base stats are up-to- to par (remove dem hyphens), its movepool is severely lacking, it's slow, and its ability doesn't help at all. Bellossom has the base stats for a decent special wall, but it has little reason to be used over Roselia or Vileplume. Bellossom has the small niche of being able to wall Ground- and Psychic-types, as well as Ludicolo and Samurott, but you are generally better off using one of the other two.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Stun Spore
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock / Synthesis
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Bellossom's best bet is running a niche Ddual Ppowder set, checking Pokemon such as specially-attacking offensive Samurott, Ludicolo, and Musharna. Sleep Powder and Stun Spore spread status throughout the opposing team, giving Bellossom's teammates several chances to set up. Giga Drain is a solid STAB attack that also grants Bellossom nifty recovery. Hidden Power Rock hits all of the Pokemon that switch into Giga Drain,(AC) such as Bug-, Fire-, and Flying-types. However, Synthesis is a reliable recovery option that can be used over Hidden Power Rock if Bellossom's longevity is important.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Sweepers such as Shell Smash Carracosta and Shift Gear Klang are great partners for Bellossom because they synergize well with it and can easily set up on a sleeping or paralyzed foes. Metang is a good defensive partner as it has similar symmetry to Klang, but it also supports the team with Stealth Rock. Lastly, Fighting-types make great partners because they can eliminate the Pokemon with Sap Sipper Pokemon that walk all over this set.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Much like Bellossom's performance in battle, its other options are quite limited. Petal Dance is an option for greater attacking power, but locking itself into a move is too risky to be of great use. Leech Seed is an option to support the team, but Bellossom has trouble fitting it into a set. A Teeter Dance and Stun Spore combination creates an annoying PparaFflinch situation, but that strategy is luck based and unreliable. Bellossom could take advantage of the sun with Chlorophyll, Solar Beam, and Hidden Power Fire, but it is outclassed as a setter by Volbeat, Custap Berry Golem, and Liepard, and as a sweeper by Victreebel, Sawsbuck, and Charizard. Lastly, a Swords Dance set with Sleep Powder, Seed Bomb, and Drain Punch is doable, but the damage output is underwhelming and Bellossom can easily be revenge killed.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Pokemon with Sap Sipper are the greatest checks to Bellossom since they can use their boost to easily sweep the opposing team. Strong,(RC) physical attackers,(RC) such as Sawk,(RC) can also easily plow through Bellossom as well. Pokemon with Guts, such as Swellow,(RC) and Ursaring, can switch in on a status attack if their Orbs have been activated and hurt Bellossom. Serperior can use Taunt or Substitute and take very little from all of Bellossom's attacks. RestTalk Regice is good counter to this set as well since it can handle all of the attacks and fire back with Ice Beam. Jynx is a good check that can easily revenge kill Bellossom with Ice Beam as well. Clerics such as Audino and Lickilicky remove the status Bellossom spreads throughout the team and can sponge off all of its attacks. In general, faster Pokemon that resist Giga Drain can switch in and threaten Bellossom with their STAB moves, such as; these include Scolipede, Charizard, and Braviary. Lastly, Steel-types resist both of Bellossom's attacks, so they can easily move around Bellossom.</p>


    Good job Lolkomori

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    <p>Bellossom sadly functions terribly in the NU metagame; none of its base stats are up to par, its movepool is severely lacking, it's slow, and its ability doesn't help it at all. Bellossom has the base stats for a decent special wall, but it has little reason to be used over Roselia or Vileplume. Bellossom has the small niche of being able to wall Ground- and Psychic-types, as well as Ludicolo and Samurott, but you are generally better off using one of the other two.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Stun Spore
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock / Synthesis
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Bellossom's best bet is running a niche dual powder set, checking Pokemon such as specially offensive Samurott, Ludicolo, and Musharna. Sleep Powder and Stun Spore spread status throughout the opposing team, giving Bellossom's teammates several chances to set up. Giga Drain is a solid STAB attack that also grants Bellossom nifty recovery. Hidden Power Rock hits all of the Pokemon that switch into Giga Drain, such as Bug-, Fire-, and Flying-types. However, Synthesis is a reliable recovery option that can be used over Hidden Power Rock if Bellossom's longevity is important.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Sweepers such as Shell Smash Carracosta and Shift Gear Klang are great partners for Bellossom because they synergize well with it and can easily set up on a sleeping or paralyzed foe. Metang is a good defensive partner as it has similar symmetry to Klang, but it also supports the team with Stealth Rock. Lastly, Fighting-types make great partners because they can eliminate Sap Sipper Pokemon that walk all over this set.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Much like Bellossom's performance in battle, its other options are quite limited. Petal Dance is an option for greater attacking power, but locking itself into a move is too risky to be of great use. Leech Seed is an option to support the team, but Bellossom has trouble fitting it into a set. A Teeter Dance and Stun Spore combination creates an annoying paraflinch situation, but that strategy is luck-based and unreliable. Bellossom could take advantage of the sun with Chlorophyll, Solar Beam, and Hidden Power Fire, but it is outclassed as a setter by Volbeat, Custap Berry Golem, and Liepard, (RC) and as a sweeper by Victreebel, Sawsbuck, and Charizard. Lastly, a Swords Dance set with Sleep Powder, Seed Bomb, and Drain Punch is doable, but the damage output is underwhelming and Bellossom can easily be revenge killed.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Pokemon with Sap Sipper are the greatest checks to Bellossom since because they can use their boost to easily sweep the opposing Bellossom's team. Strong physical attackers such as Sawk can easily plow through Bellossom as well. Pokemon with Guts, such as Swellow and Ursaring, can switch in on a status attack if their Orbs have been activated and hurt Bellossom. Serperior can use Taunt or Substitute and takes very little from all of Bellossom's attacks. RestTalk Regice is good counter to this set as well since as it can handle all of the attacks and fire back with Ice Beam. Jynx is a good check that can easily revenge kill Bellossom with Ice Beam. Clerics such as Audino and Lickilicky remove the status Bellossom spreads throughout the team and can sponge off all of its attacks. In general, faster Pokemon that resist Giga Drain can switch in and threaten Bellossom with their STAB moves; these include Scolipede, Charizard, and Braviary. Lastly, Steel-types resist both of Bellossom's attacks, so they can easily move around Bellossom.</p>

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