Why would this be in the RBY forum if he was asking about DPP....what do you mean by that? do you mean a lead pokemon from kanto or a lead pokemon for your team in R/B/Y
because if it was the lead from kanto, i would choose persian. persian is a beast!
In Prime Cup (level 100), there are only a few Pokemon that have enough HP to make 404 HP subs. Mew can't do it in RBY (hits 403 HP max) and so 'Zam sure as hell can't do it. Kangaskhan is kind of fast and has plenty of HP, but random special attacks can probably break its subs. Vaporeon has huge subs, but it's slow, and all the other options are even slower.I'm not quite sure if a Seismic Toss can break a sub, as I've never really seen it used against my lead Alakazam in Stadium battles, but I'll test it out sometime when I get a chance.
Starmie is actually listed as a Jynx counter on the latter's analysis.What about Jynx, (Status, like Sleep and Freeze) STAB Ice and Psychic attacks, can use Counter on Double-Edge, Starmie really doesn't do much to it.
What about Jynx, (Status, like Sleep and Freeze) STAB Ice and Psychic attacks, can use Counter on Double-Edge, Starmie really doesn't do much to it.
Right, thanks for the info.edit: to stay on topic, Exeggutor is my lead of choice. It makes as good a sleep absorber as anything, isn't completely worthless when paralyzed, takes hits well, and has a good sleep move to boot. Oh, and it has Stun Spore to ruin Alakazam or Double-Edge to simply KO it.
In Prime Cup (level 100), there are only a few Pokemon that have enough HP to make 404 HP subs. Mew can't do it in RBY (hits 403 HP max) and so 'Zam sure as hell can't do it. Kangaskhan is kind of fast and has plenty of HP, but random special attacks can probably break its subs. Vaporeon has huge subs, but it's slow, and all the other options are even slower.
I'll check to see how it works in Poke Cup.
edit: Alakazam produces subs with a maximum of 44 HP at level 55, so Seismic Toss is going to break its subs.
Yeah, I'd also like to know why Venomoth is in that list? Also that and Dodrio? Never have I seen a Dodrio lead since I've been battling on NB in tournaments or just regular play, nor a Venomoth. If you mean UU leads, then I could see Venomoth as a fine lead with Double Powder, but in OU Exeguttor does double powder and hell of a lot more things.I use starmie, which isn't in your weird and limited list. (Venomoth?)
What about Jynx, (Status, like Sleep and Freeze) STAB Ice and Psychic attacks, can use Counter on Double-Edge, Starmie really doesn't do much to it.
I've already mentioned her, she's just a terrible lead. She sounds like a really good lead, but sadly she's slower than Gengar; Arcanine leads 2HKO it with non-CH STAB Fire Blast; Alakazam can Paralyze it and S-Toss it and Recover off the damage; Exeguttor can fall asleep to it and take STAB Blizzards to the face, but it'll eventually wake up and use either powders and Explode or switch out.Starmie is actually listed as a Jynx counter on the latter's analysis.
Yeah, Hypno should be on there, it can do a lot of things and be a mini-whatever it says it can be like in it's RBY analysis page. The person who made the poll should take out Dodrio and Venomoth and toss in Hypno and Starmie. Even though I don't see the point in lead Starmies, care to explain, Vineon?Where's Hypno???
Anyways I voted for Alakazam because of its speed and ability to absorb sleep.
I am not Vineon, but I can hopefully respond correctly:Yeah, Hypno should be on there, it can do a lot of things and be a mini-whatever it says it can be like in it's RBY analysis page. The person who made the poll should take out Dodrio and Venomoth and toss in Hypno and Starmie. Even though I don't see the point in lead Starmies, care to explain, Vineon?
I would run Blizzard, Psychic, Thunder Wave, and Recover, so Starmie has a better chance of beating Gengar than Gengar does to beat Starmie, and Starmie also has a better chance of killing Gengar than Gengar does of putting Starmie asleep. The lack of Thunderbolt isn't too worrysome since Starmie isn't going to have to deal with Water Pokemon as much as if it were sweeping.It's only a tad bit faster than Gengar, but fails to OHKO it with STAB Surf
Starmie isn't going to stay in usually. I'd just switch to Chansey or something.Alakazam can PAR it and S-Toss/switch out
If Exeggutor uses Sleep Powder after Starmie has used Blizzard then Starmie has done its job. Like Alakazam as a starter Starmie's job is to get put to sleep while damaging the enemy starter. If Exeggutor runs Mega Drain though Starmie can easily use Thunder Wave and beat it with Blizzard. If he uses Stun Spore on Starmie then you aren't putting any Pokemon to sleep for a good while because Starmie can just absorb it unless you are running something weird with a sleeping move.Exeguttor could fall to it being Paralyzed by T-Wave and a few Blizzards, but it will gain a short amount and do somewhat damage if it can do Mega Drain on it or even use one of the powders it carries.
Without Surf this is of little concern, but most of the time I am happy to do as much damage as possible before getting put to sleep even if the damage isn't too significant.It's a good lead against Jynx I suppose, as whatever Jynx throws out there with STAB Starmie will resist it and hit back hard with a STAB Surf or Paralyze it (if it's doesn't fall to sleep with Lovely Kiss that is). But it's a 3HKO with STAB non-CH Surf.
I've honestly haven't faced many gengar starters, I largely have it on for jynx/exeggutor starters. Exeggutor especially.Even though I don't see the point in lead Starmies, care to explain, Vineon?
It's only a tad bit faster than Gengar, but fails to OHKO it with STAB Surf; Alakazam can PAR it and S-Toss/switch out; Exeguttor could fall to it being Paralyzed by T-Wave and a few Blizzards, but it will gain a short amount and do somewhat damage if it can do Mega Drain on it or even use one of the powders it carries. It's a good lead against Jynx I suppose, as whatever Jynx throws out there with STAB Starmie will resist it and hit back hard with a STAB Surf or Paralyze it (if it's doesn't fall to sleep with Lovely Kiss that is). But it's a 3HKO with STAB non-CH Surf.
People just want the satisfaction to be able to say they already Paralyzed, put to Sleep, or CH killed the opponents lead Pokemon. To some players they think it's a 6 - 5 lead, 'specially if Gengar is Paralyzed if it stays in against lead Alakazam, which it usually does. At most times it switches out and they bring in something to absorb the PAR or foolishly bring in Golem/Rhydon to not take the hit.If starmie leads against alakazam, Im not staying in, what has alakazam gained from leading exactly? Why is alakazam even considered a good lead? What can it do besides hit a switch or prz a pokémon like chansey that is asking to be? I am shocked it is winning this poll.
(edit : someone voted for venomoth!)
I'm pretty sure if you go and edit your first post, click on 'Go Advanced' and it'll let you fully edit your post, and even the poll I believe.sorry about forgetting hypno and starmie. Feel free to start a new poll with better options.
I'm not sure what alakazam could seek to ohko on the first turn other than the mentionned gengar. I sort of believe no gengar would stay. It isn't hard to switch to something else against an alakazam, the risk is way too high, the pay way too small.People just want the satisfaction to be able to say they already Paralyzed, put to Sleep, or CH killed the opponents lead Pokemon. To some players they think it's a 6 - 5 lead, 'specially if Gengar is Paralyzed if it stays in against lead Alakazam, which it usually does. At most times it switches out and they bring in something to absorb the PAR or foolishly bring in Golem/Rhydon to not take the hit.
Sadly those two still can't KO Alakazam with STAB EQ and Rhydons STAB EQ is one damage less than Golem's Explosion to it. This is all without Reflect that is, or else it'd take far less damage obviously. But Alakazam can strike back and 2HKO both with non-CH STAB Psychic.
And Venomoth is now at 3 votes.
I'm pretty sure if you go and edit your first post, click on 'Go Advanced' and it'll let you fully edit your post, and even the poll I believe.