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BH7 Suspect #1: Crystal-Free Z-Moves

Discussion in 'OM Archive' started by E4 Flint, Dec 28, 2016.

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  1. AG202

    AG202

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    IMHO, CFZ's make the metagame unbelievably unbalanced, causing many teams to have specific counters (Unaware Yveltal w/Spectral Thief and Safety Goggles, for example) for it, in order to not get run over by a team of 6 Deoxys or a Mega-Mewtwo Y. In addition, the specific move, Genesis Supernova, may need to have a look into because of its raw power, and its ability to create Psychic Terrain at the same time. This move is what greatly allows for clean sweeps if the user isn't prepared with a counter. Because of this and the lack of skill it requires, I vote BAN

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  2. Grains of Salt

    Grains of Salt formerly AllJokesAside

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    reqs (open)
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    hi
  3. MrSoup

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  4. Mking14

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    Could have made an Alt,
    Should have made an Alt,
    Didn't make an Alt.

    On a side note, ComaPhase has to go.
  5. arqto

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    I am going to be voting BAN on CFZ because of how easily it can be abused, especially with Deoxys-A. They are not ridiculously broken until people form teams around it, using 6 Deoxys-A and the such. I found it useful as something to break walls when nothing else would, despite the limited amount of exclusive z-moves typings.

    cfz.PNG

    EDIT: Also, the exclusive z-moves should be allowed on any pokemon given that they have the correct crystal. (can have mewnium+psychic on deoxys to use genesis supernova) ​
    MamoJustWins and Akram like this.
  6. Akram

    Akram

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    I made an alt and laddered to reqs in one and a half hours using deoxys-a spam. Due to that my vote is probably clear
    BAN BAN BAN


    EDIT: picture didnt work on my screen, idk about everyone else. Regardless here is the direct imgur link.
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    fuck cfz's
  7. AokiHagane

    AokiHagane

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    I've never done this thing before, but i guess this allows me to vote?
  8. Blackoblivion

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  9. Kris

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    shoutouts to everyone who got mad at me and tried timerstalling me for using deo-a spam for the first half of my laddering

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  10. Lionyx

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    proof (open)
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  11. Thanos214

    Thanos214

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    Vote: Ban
    Reasoning: It's very rng based, and it would make all games very stale fast.
  12. ntiller

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    This is my first post on these forums in several years. Unlimited CFZ is insanely broken and I am voting ban.
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    Though if it were an option, I would want to consider allowing exactly one CFZ per team. Just food for thought.
  13. Puzdra9876

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  14. Brunited

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    Proof (open)
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    Team Used (open)

    Zygarde-Complete @ Mental Herb
    Ability: Turboblaze
    EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 SpD
    Calm Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Stealth Rock
    - Spikes
    - Topsy-Turvy
    - Magic Coat

    Deoxys-Speed @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Comatose
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spe / 4 Def
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Sleep Talk
    - Whirlwind

    Rayquaza @ Safety Goggles
    Ability: Triage
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Oblivion Wing
    - Moongeist Beam
    - Spore
    - Tail Glow

    Kangaskhan @ Kangaskhanite
    Ability: Illusion
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
    Adamant Nature
    - Fake Out
    - Extreme Speed
    - Sacred Fire
    - Taunt

    Mewtwo-Mega-Y @ Twisted Spoon
    Ability: Psychic Surge
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Psycho Boost
    - Overheat
    - Moongeist Beam
    - Magic Coat

    Mewtwo-Mega-X @ Life Orb
    Ability: Contrary
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Superpower
    - V-create
    - Dragon Ascent
    - Ice Hammer



    My god, the Deoxys-A spam is real with CFZ's legal, especially when combined with Leppa-Harvest, Comatose, and other prominent abilities/combos.

    It's creating an unhealthy meta-game that's only really serving to cause rage then promote strategy.

    Stance - Ban
  15. MEEAD

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    I got the reqs.

    I vote BAN. these are broken.

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  16. Fervis

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    proof: https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/19/59/67/20/screen10.jpg

    I feel that there are plus and minus about CFZ. True, they are high powered, but without the leppa, they can be only used once. Including a move that can only be used once sure takes up a spot in the four moves. There are also some pokemon that can tank the CFZs, such as Registeel, Giratina-A and Zygarde-Complete. However, with the leppa/multiple pokemon with CFZs, it becomes very hard for even those tanks to take multiple hits. So, my verdict is:
    If leppa is banned and only one pokemon has CFZ: do not ban
    If leppa is not banned or multiple pokemon can have CFZ: ban
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2017
  17. SuperSkylake

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    I got reqs again on SuperSkylake if anyone wants to check. I can't produce a reliable screenshot. But no one's hacked m account, I'm sure of it.
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  20. Illusio

    Illusio Bold and Brash

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    I'm probably going to vote ban, since there's very little risk involved and easy reward (much like the team I got reqs with below: feel free to use it)

    Team (open)

    bob (Groudon-Primal) @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Water Absorb
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Assist
    - Trick
    - Dragon Tail
    - King's Shield

    bob (Groudon-Primal) @ Choice Band
    Ability: Prankster
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
    Adamant Nature
    - Assist
    - Transform
    - King's Shield
    - Dragon Tail

    johnny (Groudon-Primal) @ Choice Band
    Ability: Prankster
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
    Adamant Nature
    - Assist
    - Trick
    - King's Shield
    - Dragon Tail

    sally (Groudon-Primal) @ Choice Band
    Ability: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Assist
    - Roar
    - King's Shield
    - Thief

    johnny (Groudon-Primal) @ Safety Goggles
    Ability: Magic Bounce
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpD / 8 Spe
    Careful Nature
    - Assist
    - Circle Throw
    - King's Shield
    - Thief

    fred (Chansey) @ Eviolite
    Ability: Imposter
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
    Impish Nature
    - Spiky Shield
    - Whirlwind
    - Thousand Arrows
    - King's Shield


    Thanks to aesf for the original team! but seriously ban Assist this shit's just as OP as it was last gen
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2017
  21. TheCommadore

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    Got reqs, wading through the sea of deoxys.
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    Also accidentally did the same on an alt.
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    The CFZ are simply broken. I have lost so many giratina to random attackers with soul stealing strike or yveltal to 10M-pikacrit. Surefire counters turn into guessing games and chansey is somehow not quite tanky enough to scout it all. Deo-a spam is just the tip of the iceberg, and a very sharp but fragile tip at that.
  22. InfernapeTropius11

    InfernapeTropius11 get on my level

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  23. Based Sexy Pants

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    Shoutouts to aki0s for the amazing team, and for being such a nice guy.
    I'mma say ban CFZ's because they are simply too powerful, especially Genesis Supernova, but honourable mentions to that Electric one, and Oceanic Operetta. I'm assuming everyone knows why Genesis Supernova is broken, so I won't go too into detail about it. The power it grants Pokemon like Deo-A and MMY is ridiculous, and inhibits a healthy tier from fully functioning.
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  24. E4 Flint

    E4 Flint -inactive in BH due corrupt leader-
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    Friendly Reminder: One day left for getting reqs.

    Please provide proof of reqs AND proof of ownership of the alt.

    Recall:
    If you do not provide proof of ownership in an easily accessible way or your image is not clear, your proof will not be qualified to be able to vote.
    Another example:
    My own proof (open)

    [​IMG] didn't need deoA spam nubs :^)
    Make use of the little image button in the toolbar when making/editing your post.
    To make things even easier for you I have included who should fix their proofs accordingly to show proof of ownership and/or fix their image:
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    GLIIISSCCOOORRR9 : proof of ownership (plus i'd like if you put a screenshot of the actual COIL if you can)
    TheAzumaKiller : proof of ownership
    arqto : proof of ownership
    Blackoblivion : proof of ownership
    Thanks and good luck.
    Voting will likely begin soon afterwards, so keep a lookout for the official vote thread.
  25. NabboCheTesta

    NabboCheTesta formerly TheAzumaKiller

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    here you go
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    after getting a decent feeling of the meta, I just started playing gimmicky teams, so my elo sucks. COIL is still good tho.
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