Not going to address the TrickScarf (or the like) approach as I really don't have much experience with it. I would imagine the situation, lead and trainer dictates if you sac both support mons during the set up or not, though. Hopefully Jumpman has some time to write a wall of words as those are fun to read (much like your hidden posts). Yeah, it is cool sometimes to see people using something similar to what you've been using. In our instance, it was enjoyable to hash out the nuances in each other's approach because our pokemon and type core are so close to identical. Sometimes, though, it's also kind of deflating because you want to be the one with the unique idea... the one that made it far with something different... only to see someone else not only beat you to it, but also that they perfected it and performed better because of their improvements. I remember feeling that way when R Inanimate posted his monster of a doubles streak with a rain team better than my own. I wasn't jealous or anything but just.. amazed.. like "wow, no way I'll beat that and that's a great way of doing it, better give up on this idea because that's the way to do it" type way. I think if you have a comment or disagree with what someone else is saying or doing here, though, that you should say something! This thread is a great log of individual accomplishments but it's also an excellent venue to discuss experiences and help each other improve. We all do this for the fun of it, the chase of the stunning streak when the Subway is, over time, so clearly stacked against you, so why not offer advice that, ultimately, will improve someone's enjoyment. The banter back and forth is just another form of theorymon... it's way more enjoyable when you have someone besides yourself to bounce ideas off of. In the Subway, I would assume that most people do assume the worst will happen at all times. However, sometimes you have to chalk it up to a "bad bounce" when it occurs and take solace in the fact that it probably won't always go down that way. Example: restarted my streak, I was back into the 200s and ran into that Ice Punch Electivire (last poke) at an inconvenient moment. Suciune was weakened and without its Sub so it goes down. Full health Dragonite comes in and Electivire scored the needed CH to cost me the game. It was inevitable that exact chain of events was going to happen at some point. Best thing to do is accept it and start over. If you could really win them all, we probably wouldn't be as in love with this part of the game. Wish I had been keeping track of my overall W/L record (all teams included) just to see. It would be a nice, and very easy, implementation to the Subway in game records, IMO.