Congratulations on making Heatran work for you Jumpman. It was interesting to read through the formation of your team. I look forward to hearing more about it in the future. Ok I don't normally post teams in planning before I actually try them, but considering I have very little time to RNG and train stuff, I thought I'd post it to see what people thought. Be nice lol: Shuppet @ Focus Sash Thunder Wave Destiny Bond Taunt filler (Flash? Grudge? Trick to remove harmful items? Skill Swap to remove harmful abilities?) + (insert crippler here) + Dragonite @ Leftovers Dragon Claw Dragon Dance Substitute Roost Basically I was trying to come up with a lead for a cripple team that would be able to kill instantly any lead that I didn't feel "comfortable" setting up against. If this is the case I'll go an a suicude mission with Destiny Bond. If not, I'll go ahead and cripple as much as possible with the moves I have until I die. I chose Shuppet over Banette for its lower defences to encourage direct offense. Its Ghost typing gives it a Fake Out immunity and I would probably use Frisk to scout for the item (and by extention set). Not sure what crippler I'd use. I was originally thinking about Shuckle, with maybe Trick Room on Shuppet for support, but I think I'd rather have something with Taunt to stop set ups. Whimsicott is the obvious choice, though it can't have Focus Sash anymore (in that case, maybe I should pull out my Eviolite Cottonee again). Yes, I know Dragonite is boring but it is currently the best known set up sweeper for crippler teams and because this is the first time I'm trying something like this I think it would be better to use Dragonite to make things a bit easier for me. Could this work? I know there is bound to be some threat I'm overlooking. I'm also undecided as to whether this is pointless or not, because Dragonite can set up on pretty much anything anyway so I could just use 2 regular cripplers and do it that way, so why bother using this beyond just being "different"?