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BlissCents and SkarmCents Beta v0.1: Another set of "defense tiers"

Discussion in 'Pokémetrics' started by Dragontamer, Dec 15, 2007.

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  1. Dragontamer

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    Quick Notes:
    Standard Skarm: Bold, 252 HP, 252 Defense
    Standard Bliss: Bold, 252 HP, 252 Defense

    List template is:
    Pokemon's Name: SkarmCents with 0 EVs, BlisseyCents with 0 EVs, SkarmCents with 252/252 spread (neutral nature), BlissCents with 252/252 spread (neutral nature).

    This list ignores spikes, stealth rock, weaknesses, resistances, leftovers, and all defensive attacks (softboiled, amnesia, calm mind, etc. etc.)

    Introduction:
    Defense tiers, as originally concieved, were a mathematical transformation to attempt to standardize every pokemon onto a single scale. This way, we could quickly recognize who or what was a better wall compared to other pokemon.

    Why am I creating another set? Because some people could not make much sense of the last one. Perhaps it was the logrithmic scale or maybe because it was back when I was essentially a n00b and no one cared. Anyway, as much as I love my defense tiers, I'm willing to take another stab at some sort of replacement for them and see whether or not the general community will accept them this time.

    This time: BlisseyCents and SkarmCents. This system was essentially concieved in a day, so expect a few fluctuations in the comming weeks / days. If no bugs are found, I'll promote this to 1.0 and post a non-Beta topic.

    The definition of BlisseyCents: A pokemon's Sp. Def tier is measured in Blissey's HP and Sp. Def (combined). Taking the "standard blissey" (252 HP 0 Sp. Def, Bold), you see how this pokemon with 0 EVs, and 252 EVs does in terms of blissey. AGAIN, this combines Sp. Def with HP. For example, 252/252 Cresselia has .73 BlisseyCents, meaning that in terms of Sp. Def, it is like having a Blissey with 73% of its HP.

    For example,

    SkarmCents is the pokemon's Defense tier in terms of the standard Skarm's physical defense. Standard Skarm is Impish 252 HP 252 Defense. For example, Regirock is 1.307 Skarm-Cents with 252 HP/252 Defense. Thus, effectivly a 252/252 Regirock is like having a Skarm with 130.7% of its HP. (meaning it has more Def than Skarm).

    Why this over Defense Tiers?

    Frankly speaking, I like Defense Tiers better. Logrithmic scale == sexy quick calculations. However, I have a feeling that the general community will accept BlissCents and SkarmCents better than defense tiers, so I might as well post and see if yall like em. Instead of a somewhat arbitrary number assigned to each pokemon, the number means literally how good the pokemon is at walling compared to Blissey / Skarmory.

    What about AttackTiers?
    One advantage of defense tiers right now is that attack tiers are easy to calculate. I'm not sure if it will be easy in terms of SkarmCents and BlisseyCents however... but I'll give it a good whack for the next few days. I'll post if I come up with anything (or if you have ideas and understand the attack / defense tier system well, please post your idea on how to do attack tiers in terms of BlissCents and SkarmCents).

    List ordered by SkarmCents:

    (0/0, 0/0, 255/255, 255/255)
    Def, Sp. Def, Def, Sp. Def
    Code:
    Regirock         0.945   0.325   1.307   0.498
    Steelix          0.913   0.221   1.271   0.371
    Giratina         0.876   0.557   1.23    0.782
    Aggron           0.801   0.201   1.136   0.345
    Rhyperior        0.79    0.248   1.121   0.415
    Groudon          0.776   0.337   1.102   0.516
    Slaking          0.749   0.335   1.085   0.528
    Cresselia        0.757   0.516   1.083   0.73
    Arceus           0.757   0.481   1.083   0.689
    Lugia            0.752   0.556   1.075   0.775
    Registeel        0.728   0.463   1.045   0.665
    Relicanth        0.726   0.259   1.044   0.423
    Tangrowth        0.702   0.212   1.015   0.368
    Bastiodon        0.699   0.373   1.014   0.556
    Hippowdon        0.699   0.294   1.013   0.467
    Rhydon           0.697   0.202   1.01    0.358
    Cloyster         0.687   0.139   1.004   0.263
    Dialga           0.677   0.368   0.986   0.553
    Shuckle          0.646   0.411   0.982   0.624
    Regigigas        0.665   0.423   0.973   0.619
    Forretress       0.662   0.208   0.966   0.355
    Suicune          0.653   0.415   0.957   0.608
    Metagross        0.641   0.298   0.94    0.465
    Golem            0.641   0.229   0.94    0.382
    Torkoal          0.639   0.226   0.938   0.376
    Donphan          0.638   0.229   0.937   0.385
    Tyranitar        0.628   0.368   0.928   0.553
    Deoxys Defense   0.617   0.393   0.917   0.583
    Uxie             0.62    0.394   0.915   0.582
    Skarmory         0.616   0.218   0.911   0.365  <--------- Skarm
    Probopass        0.612   0.401   0.907   0.592
    Umbreon          0.61    0.448   0.905   0.647
    Slowbro          0.61    0.297   0.905   0.467
    Wobbuffet        0.57    0.362   0.904   0.575
    Gliscor          0.599   0.248   0.889   0.403
    Lairon           0.594   0.162   0.884   0.295
    Lickilicky       0.587   0.373   0.882   0.561
    Torterra         0.586   0.312   0.876   0.485
    Miltank          0.586   0.267   0.876   0.431
    Garchomp         0.581   0.337   0.874   0.517
    Celebi           0.579   0.368   0.869   0.553
    Jirachi          0.579   0.368   0.869   0.553
    Manaphy          0.579   0.368   0.869   0.553
    Mew              0.579   0.368   0.869   0.553
    Shaymin          0.579   0.368   0.869   0.553
    Lapras           0.566   0.415   0.865   0.614
    Omastar          0.578   0.226   0.864   0.376
    Heatran          0.577   0.367   0.864   0.549
    Snorlax          0.551   0.54    0.864   0.765
    Leafeon          0.577   0.206   0.863   0.35
    Walrein          0.561   0.357   0.851   0.541
    Entei            0.55    0.316   0.84    0.495
    Ho-oh            0.549   0.556   0.835   0.775
    Mewtwo           0.549   0.349   0.835   0.531
    Rayquaza         0.546   0.347   0.831   0.529
    Articuno         0.545   0.42    0.826   0.613
    Palkia           0.545   0.406   0.826   0.596
    Onix             0.541   0.122   0.826   0.237
    Weezing          0.538   0.218   0.815   0.365
    Magnezone        0.538   0.278   0.815   0.439
    Sudowoodo        0.538   0.213   0.815   0.361
    Sandslash        0.536   0.194   0.813   0.339
    Kyogre           0.53    0.493   0.811   0.701
    Swampert         0.53    0.337   0.811   0.516
    Mesprit          0.533   0.339   0.81    0.515
    Bronzong         0.53    0.337   0.805   0.512
    Feraligatr       0.528   0.288   0.805   0.454
    Dragonite        0.525   0.349   0.803   0.528
    Poliwrath        0.522   0.317   0.799   0.49
    Cradily          0.518   0.358   0.793   0.539
    Tangela          0.519   0.144   0.791   0.274
    Mamoswine        0.509   0.258   0.79    0.425
    Drapion          0.518   0.239   0.79    0.392
    Regice           0.511   0.601   0.783   0.831
    Meganium         0.511   0.325   0.783   0.498
    Dusknoir         0.509   0.324   0.781   0.497
    Blastoise        0.508   0.337   0.779   0.512
    Togekiss         0.506   0.379   0.778   0.563
    Hariyama         0.482   0.306   0.775   0.493
    Kangaskhan       0.495   0.315   0.772   0.491
    Moltres          0.499   0.303   0.771   0.473
    Swalot           0.496   0.315   0.771   0.49
    Glaceon          0.499   0.28    0.767   0.442
    Tropius          0.493   0.326   0.767   0.502
    Exeggutor        0.491   0.251   0.763   0.413
    Quagsire         0.491   0.251   0.763   0.413
    Armaldo          0.494   0.261   0.762   0.42
    Rhyhorn          0.49    0.132   0.757   0.265
    Nidoqueen        0.485   0.303   0.754   0.473
    Azumarill        0.481   0.306   0.753   0.479
    Piloswine        0.481   0.243   0.753   0.405
    Porygon2         0.483   0.322   0.751   0.495
    Vespiquen        0.485   0.309   0.75    0.477
    Whiscash         0.473   0.294   0.748   0.468
    Marowak          0.481   0.234   0.744   0.384
    Kingler          0.481   0.156   0.744   0.286
    Graveler         0.481   0.145   0.744   0.272
    Zapdos           0.476   0.317   0.743   0.49
    Gligar           0.48    0.206   0.743   0.35
    Muk              0.47    0.379   0.742   0.567
    Magcargo         0.479   0.216   0.742   0.36
    Scizor           0.477   0.252   0.74    0.408
    Wailord          0.436   0.277   0.74    0.471
    Kingdra          0.473   0.301   0.736   0.468
    Tauros           0.473   0.234   0.736   0.387
    Empoleon         0.471   0.337   0.736   0.512
    Slowking         0.467   0.388   0.734   0.575
    Salamence        0.467   0.297   0.734   0.467
    Dusclops         0.471   0.299   0.734   0.467
    Yanmega          0.469   0.212   0.733   0.363
    Vaporeon         0.45    0.415   0.731   0.614
    Latias           0.468   0.408   0.731   0.598
    Milotic          0.462   0.433   0.729   0.629
    Gyarados         0.462   0.358   0.729   0.539
    Claydol          0.462   0.33    0.721   0.503
    Wormadam Ground  0.462   0.246   0.721   0.399
    Kabutops         0.462   0.21    0.721   0.354
    Gastrodon        0.449   0.332   0.721   0.513
    Pinsir           0.46    0.218   0.719   0.365
    Shelgon          0.46    0.169   0.719   0.304
    Dewgong          0.453   0.332   0.716   0.508
    Machamp          0.453   0.303   0.716   0.473
    Arcanine         0.453   0.288   0.716   0.455
    Altaria          0.452   0.328   0.711   0.501
    Lanturn          0.428   0.336   0.703   0.522
    Nosepass         0.443   0.199   0.701   0.337
    Gorebyss         0.444   0.214   0.698   0.358
    Huntail          0.444   0.214   0.698   0.358
    Metang           0.443   0.234   0.697   0.384
    Pelipper         0.443   0.21    0.697   0.354
    Crobat           0.439   0.279   0.697   0.443
    Dunsparce        0.432   0.259   0.695   0.423
    Clefable         0.434   0.327   0.695   0.503
    Venusaur         0.438   0.325   0.694   0.498
    Darkrai          0.437   0.278   0.691   0.439
    Spiritomb        0.437   0.278   0.689   0.438
    Politoed         0.43    0.347   0.688   0.526
    Raikou           0.43    0.347   0.688   0.526
    Ampharos         0.43    0.317   0.688   0.49
    Abomasnow        0.43    0.303   0.688   0.473
    Lickitung        0.43    0.273   0.688   0.438
    Ursaring         0.43    0.273   0.688   0.438
    Granbull         0.43    0.229   0.688   0.385
    Skuntank         0.425   0.251   0.688   0.415
    Bellossom        0.431   0.314   0.685   0.484
    Vileplume        0.431   0.288   0.685   0.452
    Grotle           0.431   0.221   0.685   0.371
    Latios           0.425   0.353   0.679   0.531
    Flygon           0.425   0.27    0.679   0.432
    Glalie           0.425   0.27    0.679   0.432
    Phione           0.425   0.27    0.679   0.432
    Vigoroth         0.425   0.201   0.679   0.348
    Drifblim         0.394   0.291   0.678   0.478
    Wormadam Steel   0.425   0.27    0.674   0.429
    Luxray           0.42    0.267   0.673   0.428
    Golduck          0.416   0.27    0.668   0.432
    Exploud          0.407   0.259   0.667   0.424
    Nidoking         0.414   0.258   0.666   0.417
    Solrock          0.417   0.213   0.666   0.361
    Pidgeot          0.411   0.247   0.663   0.405
    Charizard        0.41    0.28    0.661   0.443
    Typhlosion       0.41    0.28    0.661   0.443
    Sealeo           0.407   0.259   0.661   0.42
    Wigglytuff       0.382   0.262   0.658   0.441
    Aron             0.409   0.128   0.654   0.249
    Seadra           0.408   0.145   0.653   0.272
    Heracross        0.403   0.311   0.652   0.481
    Hypno            0.394   0.379   0.643   0.563
    Porygon-Z        0.394   0.265   0.643   0.426
    Staraptor        0.394   0.194   0.643   0.341
    Lopunny          0.398   0.283   0.642   0.445
    Scyther          0.396   0.252   0.641   0.408
    Crawdaunt        0.396   0.178   0.639   0.316
    Shieldon         0.393   0.195   0.637   0.332
    Octillery        0.39    0.248   0.634   0.403
    Slowpoke         0.384   0.17    0.633   0.315
    Hitmontop        0.392   0.282   0.632   0.444
    Magneton         0.392   0.194   0.632   0.333
    Cubone           0.392   0.15    0.632   0.277
    Bonsly           0.392   0.139   0.632   0.263
    Rampardos        0.376   0.209   0.627   0.363
    Wormadam Grass   0.387   0.294   0.627   0.458
    Starmie          0.387   0.246   0.627   0.399
    Ninetales        0.384   0.31    0.627   0.479
    Ludicolo         0.381   0.325   0.626   0.498
    Blaziken         0.381   0.242   0.626   0.398
    Machoke          0.381   0.215   0.626   0.365
    Hippopotas       0.383   0.152   0.624   0.285
    Croconaw         0.382   0.201   0.623   0.344
    Bronzor          0.382   0.243   0.62    0.394
    Lumineon         0.378   0.266   0.618   0.424
    Infernape        0.375   0.239   0.617   0.393
    Carnivine        0.374   0.238   0.616   0.391
    Lileep           0.373   0.262   0.612   0.42
    Blissey          0.262   0.912   0.612   1.206
    Geodude          0.375   0.097   0.611   0.207
    Furret           0.367   0.208   0.611   0.358
    Munchlax         0.343   0.388   0.611   0.584
    Deoxys Speed     0.375   0.238   0.61    0.388
    Pineco           0.375   0.117   0.61    0.235
    Toxicroak        0.367   0.233   0.61    0.388
    Jumpluff         0.369   0.274   0.609   0.436
    Golbat           0.369   0.248   0.609   0.403
    Azelf            0.369   0.234   0.609   0.387
    Togetic          0.372   0.283   0.608   0.444
    Corsola          0.372   0.237   0.608   0.387
    Shiftry          0.36    0.229   0.605   0.385
    Phanpy           0.36    0.17    0.605   0.315
    Bayleef          0.368   0.234   0.604   0.384
    Parasect         0.368   0.234   0.604   0.384
    Breloom          0.368   0.186   0.604   0.325
    Exeggcute        0.368   0.151   0.604   0.28
    Wartortle        0.365   0.232   0.6     0.382
    Tentacruel       0.36    0.38    0.6     0.565
    Grumpig          0.36    0.353   0.6     0.531
    Seaking          0.36    0.27    0.6     0.432
    Aerodactyl       0.36    0.256   0.6     0.415
    Victreebel       0.36    0.215   0.6     0.365
    Qwilfish         0.363   0.181   0.599   0.32
    Magmortar        0.356   0.301   0.594   0.468
    Electivire       0.356   0.274   0.594   0.436
    Cherrim          0.356   0.247   0.592   0.401
    Camerupt         0.356   0.239   0.592   0.392
    Castform         0.356   0.226   0.592   0.376
    Froslass         0.356   0.226   0.592   0.376
    Lucario          0.356   0.226   0.592   0.376
    Marshtomp        0.356   0.226   0.592   0.376
    Pupitar          0.356   0.226   0.592   0.376
    Ariados          0.356   0.201   0.592   0.345
    Mightyena        0.356   0.201   0.592   0.345
    Koffing          0.359   0.127   0.591   0.246
    Honchkrow        0.344   0.219   0.59    0.375
    Omanyte          0.358   0.141   0.59    0.262
    Mawile           0.357   0.161   0.589   0.291
    Sandshrew        0.357   0.106   0.589   0.221
    Ambipom          0.352   0.224   0.589   0.374
    Medicham         0.349   0.222   0.581   0.369
    Noctowl          0.334   0.356   0.579   0.538
    Nidorina         0.344   0.188   0.577   0.329
    Mantine          0.343   0.392   0.575   0.579
    Chimecho         0.343   0.243   0.575   0.396
    Rapidash         0.343   0.243   0.575   0.396
    Porygon          0.343   0.231   0.575   0.381
    Xatu             0.343   0.218   0.575   0.365
    Linoone          0.338   0.215   0.573   0.364
    Bibarel          0.336   0.213   0.571   0.363
    Skorupi          0.344   0.148   0.57    0.272
    Shellder         0.341   0.079   0.568   0.18
    Lunatone         0.336   0.265   0.567   0.424
    Sceptile         0.336   0.265   0.567   0.424
    Weavile          0.336   0.265   0.567   0.424
    Girafarig        0.336   0.213   0.567   0.361
    Delcatty         0.336   0.188   0.567   0.329
    Purugly          0.334   0.199   0.565   0.344
    Wailmer          0.306   0.195   0.564   0.359
    Floatzel         0.327   0.194   0.563   0.341
    Hitmonchan       0.336   0.282   0.562   0.444
    Stantler         0.33    0.218   0.562   0.367
    Prinplup         0.333   0.231   0.562   0.381
    Gallade          0.331   0.337   0.56    0.512
    Gardevoir        0.331   0.337   0.56    0.512
    Gabite           0.331   0.185   0.56    0.325
    Kecleon          0.331   0.33    0.557   0.503
    Dustox           0.331   0.258   0.557   0.414
    Pachirisu        0.331   0.258   0.557   0.414
    Electrode        0.331   0.234   0.557   0.384
    Gloom            0.331   0.222   0.557   0.369
    Dodrio           0.331   0.186   0.557   0.325
    Rotom            0.33    0.21    0.554   0.352
    Wynaut           0.314   0.2     0.553   0.352
    Arbok            0.327   0.232   0.553   0.381
    Chansey          0.212   0.722   0.552   0.996
    Masquerain       0.324   0.257   0.552   0.414
    Seviper          0.322   0.205   0.552   0.351
    Zangoose         0.322   0.205   0.552   0.351
    Fearow           0.324   0.196   0.55    0.338
    Poliwhirl        0.324   0.169   0.55    0.304
    Banette          0.321   0.199   0.547   0.342
    Sableye          0.323   0.183   0.545   0.319
    Venomoth         0.315   0.239   0.542   0.392
    Cacturne         0.315   0.201   0.542   0.345
    Manectric        0.315   0.201   0.542   0.345
    Dragonair        0.314   0.212   0.537   0.357
    Nincada          0.316   0.089   0.534   0.194
    Sunflora         0.306   0.274   0.532   0.436
    Clamperl         0.313   0.141   0.53    0.262
    Kabuto           0.312   0.116   0.53    0.228
    Krabby           0.312   0.079   0.53    0.18
    Beldum           0.312   0.158   0.529   0.285
    Flareon          0.304   0.318   0.526   0.488
    Espeon           0.304   0.28    0.526   0.442
    Jolteon          0.304   0.28    0.526   0.442
    Primeape         0.304   0.218   0.526   0.365
    Persian          0.304   0.206   0.526   0.35
    Absol            0.304   0.193   0.526   0.335
    Ivysaur          0.304   0.234   0.525   0.384
    Grimer           0.295   0.187   0.521   0.332
    Kricketune       0.293   0.186   0.518   0.329
    Flaaffy          0.295   0.201   0.517   0.345
    Turtwig          0.296   0.168   0.513   0.3
    Electabuzz       0.293   0.256   0.512   0.411
    Magmar           0.293   0.256   0.512   0.411
    Mismagius        0.293   0.294   0.511   0.458
    Misdreavus       0.293   0.246   0.511   0.399
    Gengar           0.293   0.222   0.511   0.369
    Combusken        0.293   0.186   0.511   0.325
    Shroomish        0.293   0.186   0.511   0.325
    Spinda           0.293   0.186   0.511   0.325
    Swellow          0.293   0.162   0.511   0.295
    Slakoth          0.293   0.127   0.511   0.251
    Gulpin           0.287   0.183   0.508   0.323
    Houndoom         0.285   0.261   0.507   0.42
    Illumise         0.285   0.231   0.502   0.381
    Volbeat          0.285   0.231   0.502   0.381
    Seel             0.285   0.218   0.502   0.365
    Nidorino         0.284   0.176   0.5     0.312
    Shellos          0.278   0.215   0.5     0.363
    Totodile         0.284   0.146   0.497   0.271
    Pidgeotto        0.281   0.166   0.496   0.301
    Loudred          0.271   0.173   0.495   0.315
    Charmeleon       0.281   0.195   0.495   0.335
    Quilava          0.281   0.195   0.495   0.335
    Raticate         0.282   0.202   0.495   0.343
    Marill           0.275   0.175   0.493   0.313
    Mothim           0.275   0.175   0.493   0.313
    Spheal           0.275   0.175   0.493   0.313
    Machop           0.275   0.136   0.493   0.266
    Duskull          0.281   0.179   0.49    0.312
    Roserade         0.274   0.294   0.487   0.458
    Raichu           0.274   0.234   0.487   0.384
    Monferno         0.271   0.172   0.485   0.308
    Chikorita        0.276   0.176   0.485   0.308
    Chatot           0.266   0.161   0.484   0.298
    Clefairy         0.267   0.213   0.483   0.361
    Squirtle         0.274   0.172   0.481   0.303
    Weepinbell       0.265   0.156   0.478   0.289
    Corphish         0.271   0.11    0.478   0.224
    Sneasel          0.264   0.214   0.472   0.358
    Aipom            0.264   0.168   0.472   0.3
    Mr. Mime         0.264   0.279   0.468   0.441
    Minun            0.255   0.246   0.464   0.399
    Butterfree       0.255   0.234   0.464   0.384
    Lombre           0.255   0.21    0.464   0.354
    Snover           0.255   0.186   0.464   0.325
    Venonat          0.255   0.174   0.464   0.31
    Beautifly        0.255   0.162   0.464   0.295
    Teddiursa        0.255   0.162   0.464   0.295
    Snubbull         0.255   0.139   0.464   0.265
    Swablu           0.259   0.197   0.463   0.335
    Goldeen          0.259   0.144   0.463   0.268
    Bagon            0.259   0.101   0.463   0.214
    Farfetch'd       0.257   0.179   0.463   0.314
    Drifloon         0.24    0.182   0.462   0.329
    Luxio            0.252   0.16    0.459   0.292
    Nidoran F        0.253   0.133   0.459   0.257
    Finneon          0.255   0.173   0.459   0.305
    Stunky           0.25    0.144   0.458   0.273
    Piplup           0.252   0.167   0.457   0.299
    Ponyta           0.253   0.183   0.457   0.319
    Cascoon          0.253   0.095   0.457   0.207
    Metapod          0.253   0.095   0.457   0.207
    Silcoon          0.253   0.095   0.457   0.207
    Yanma            0.246   0.156   0.454   0.289
    Horsea           0.255   0.079   0.454   0.18
    Togepi           0.252   0.16    0.452   0.287
    Ledian           0.246   0.294   0.45    0.458
    Eevee            0.246   0.191   0.45    0.329
    Skiploom         0.246   0.191   0.45    0.329
    Staravia         0.246   0.133   0.45    0.257
    Hitmonlee        0.246   0.282   0.449   0.444
    Chinchou         0.235   0.197   0.446   0.342
    Ninjask          0.238   0.164   0.443   0.297
    Nuzleaf          0.235   0.149   0.443   0.282
    Sharpedo         0.235   0.149   0.443   0.282
    Oddish           0.243   0.176   0.442   0.308
    Drowzee          0.237   0.258   0.441   0.414
    Magnemite        0.242   0.128   0.437   0.243
    Luvdisc          0.239   0.172   0.436   0.304
    Cranidos         0.23    0.121   0.435   0.246
    Larvitar         0.236   0.15    0.435   0.277
    Mudkip           0.236   0.15    0.435   0.277
    (null)           0.236   0.15    0.435   0.277
    Snorunt          0.236   0.15    0.435   0.277
    Vibrava          0.236   0.15    0.435   0.277
    Gible            0.233   0.148   0.435   0.277
    Jigglypuff       0.203   0.146   0.434   0.296
    Beedrill         0.226   0.243   0.43    0.396
    Baltoy           0.232   0.178   0.427   0.311
    Alakazam         0.228   0.237   0.427   0.387
    Growlithe        0.228   0.156   0.427   0.286
    Wooper           0.228   0.099   0.427   0.214
    Murkrow          0.225   0.143   0.427   0.271
    Psyduck          0.229   0.15    0.427   0.277
    Buneary          0.224   0.17    0.423   0.303
    Mantyke          0.226   0.292   0.421   0.456
    Anorith          0.226   0.144   0.421   0.268
    Chingling        0.226   0.144   0.421   0.268
    Kakuna           0.226   0.091   0.421   0.2
    Ditto            0.225   0.143   0.421   0.268
    Unown            0.225   0.143   0.421   0.268
    Plusle           0.218   0.222   0.417   0.369
    Numel            0.218   0.151   0.417   0.28
    Bulbasaur        0.223   0.176   0.417   0.308
    Bidoof           0.216   0.138   0.415   0.264
    Roselia          0.219   0.216   0.414   0.36
    Grovyle          0.219   0.183   0.414   0.319
    Skitty           0.219   0.117   0.414   0.235
    Paras            0.222   0.141   0.412   0.262
    Voltorb          0.216   0.148   0.407   0.272
    Seedot           0.216   0.097   0.407   0.207
    Jynx             0.207   0.28    0.406   0.442
    Barboach         0.212   0.13    0.405   0.252
    Mareep           0.21    0.145   0.405   0.272
    Haunter          0.209   0.154   0.4     0.281
    Cherubi          0.209   0.15    0.4     0.276
    Delibird         0.209   0.133   0.4     0.254
    Trapinch         0.209   0.133   0.4     0.254
    Makuhita         0.197   0.125   0.398   0.253
    Glameow          0.206   0.12    0.398   0.239
    Meditite         0.211   0.134   0.397   0.253
    Staryu           0.211   0.134   0.397   0.253
    Spoink           0.199   0.234   0.394   0.384
    Chimchar         0.204   0.13    0.393   0.25
    Dugtrio          0.207   0.17    0.392   0.3
    Azurill          0.201   0.128   0.392   0.249
    Cacnea           0.201   0.128   0.392   0.249
    Swinub           0.201   0.106   0.392   0.221
    Dratini          0.202   0.139   0.389   0.26
    Croagunk         0.198   0.126   0.386   0.246
    Burmy            0.2     0.127   0.386   0.246
    Natu             0.2     0.127   0.386   0.246
    Smeargle         0.191   0.145   0.382   0.272
    Buizel           0.191   0.11    0.382   0.229
    Nidoran M        0.195   0.124   0.381   0.243
    Torchic          0.193   0.144   0.379   0.268
    Charmander       0.192   0.136   0.375   0.257
    Cyndaquil        0.192   0.136   0.375   0.257
    Doduo            0.191   0.102   0.373   0.212
    Hoothoot         0.18    0.177   0.371   0.313
    Bellsprout       0.184   0.106   0.37    0.221
    Ekans            0.188   0.139   0.369   0.26
    Magikarp         0.19    0.063   0.367   0.155
    Elekid           0.183   0.154   0.366   0.281
    Magby            0.183   0.154   0.366   0.281
    Electrike        0.185   0.117   0.366   0.233
    Poliwag          0.185   0.117   0.366   0.233
    Riolu            0.185   0.117   0.366   0.233
    Slugma           0.185   0.117   0.366   0.233
    Spinarak         0.185   0.117   0.366   0.233
    Pidgey           0.185   0.107   0.366   0.22
    Zigzagoon        0.184   0.117   0.365   0.232
    Kricketot        0.183   0.116   0.362   0.23
    Vulpix           0.181   0.165   0.361   0.293
    Wurmple          0.176   0.101   0.358   0.214
    Caterpie         0.176   0.08    0.358   0.187
    Igglybuff        0.152   0.112   0.357   0.244
    Shuppet          0.175   0.107   0.355   0.221
    Shinx            0.173   0.11    0.353   0.225
    Hoppip           0.176   0.141   0.353   0.262
    Combee           0.174   0.11    0.348   0.221
    Whismur          0.159   0.101   0.346   0.22
    Tentacool        0.169   0.239   0.345   0.389
    Budew            0.169   0.178   0.345   0.311
    Treecko          0.169   0.148   0.345   0.272
    Mankey           0.169   0.127   0.345   0.246
    Meowth           0.169   0.117   0.345   0.233
    Zubat            0.169   0.117   0.345   0.233
    Kirlia           0.166   0.145   0.341   0.268
    Cleffa           0.16    0.161   0.339   0.291
    Houndour         0.16    0.144   0.336   0.268
    Remoraid         0.161   0.102   0.333   0.212
    Tyrogue          0.161   0.102   0.333   0.212
    Poochyena        0.161   0.093   0.333   0.199
    Surskit          0.159   0.142   0.333   0.264
    Mime Jr.         0.164   0.179   0.332   0.312
    Sentret          0.158   0.122   0.329   0.237
    Ledyba           0.153   0.198   0.325   0.337
    Kadabra          0.153   0.178   0.325   0.311
    Lotad            0.153   0.138   0.325   0.259
    Spearow          0.153   0.099   0.325   0.209
    Starly           0.153   0.097   0.325   0.207
    Taillow          0.153   0.097   0.325   0.207
    Wingull          0.153   0.097   0.325   0.207
    Weedle           0.153   0.077   0.325   0.181
    Rattata          0.153   0.098   0.321   0.204
    Happiny          0.113   0.259   0.317   0.423
    Pikachu          0.146   0.112   0.314   0.224
    Deoxys Attack    0.132   0.084   0.304   0.193
    Gastly           0.139   0.098   0.302   0.204
    Sunkern          0.139   0.088   0.302   0.192
    Carvanha         0.126   0.08    0.294   0.187
    Shedinja         0.13    0.063   0.28    0.15
    Ralts            0.122   0.096   0.279   0.201
    Smoochum         0.11    0.176   0.273   0.308
    Feebas           0.099   0.121   0.244   0.233
    Diglett          0.1     0.093   0.24    0.194
    Abra             0.091   0.128   0.236   0.243
    Pichu            0.086   0.088   0.227   0.189
    So erm... whats Pichu doing way down there? A Pichu's Physical Defense (according to the chart) is equal to .086 SkarmCents. Meaning that a max-health Pichu essentially has the same "life left" as a standard Skarmory at 8.6% health.

    List ordered by BlissCents:
    (0/0, 0/0, 255/255, 255/255)
    Def, Sp. Def, Def, Sp. Def
    Code:
    Blissey          0.262   0.912   0.612   1.206 <---------- Blissey
    Chansey          0.212   0.722   0.552   0.996
    Regice           0.511   0.601   0.783   0.831
    Giratina         0.876   0.557   1.23    0.782
    Lugia            0.752   0.556   1.075   0.775
    Ho-oh            0.549   0.556   0.835   0.775
    Snorlax          0.551   0.54    0.864   0.765
    Cresselia        0.757   0.516   1.083   0.73
    Kyogre           0.53    0.493   0.811   0.701
    Arceus           0.757   0.481   1.083   0.689
    Registeel        0.728   0.463   1.045   0.665
    Umbreon          0.61    0.448   0.905   0.647
    Milotic          0.462   0.433   0.729   0.629
    Shuckle          0.646   0.411   0.982   0.624
    Regigigas        0.665   0.423   0.973   0.619
    Lapras           0.566   0.415   0.865   0.614
    Vaporeon         0.45    0.415   0.731   0.614
    Articuno         0.545   0.42    0.826   0.613
    Suicune          0.653   0.415   0.957   0.608
    Latias           0.468   0.408   0.731   0.598
    Palkia           0.545   0.406   0.826   0.596
    Probopass        0.612   0.401   0.907   0.592
    Munchlax         0.343   0.388   0.611   0.584
    Deoxys Defense   0.617   0.393   0.917   0.583
    Uxie             0.62    0.394   0.915   0.582
    Mantine          0.343   0.392   0.575   0.579
    Wobbuffet        0.57    0.362   0.904   0.575
    Slowking         0.467   0.388   0.734   0.575
    Muk              0.47    0.379   0.742   0.567
    Tentacruel       0.36    0.38    0.6     0.565
    Togekiss         0.506   0.379   0.778   0.563
    Hypno            0.394   0.379   0.643   0.563
    Lickilicky       0.587   0.373   0.882   0.561
    Bastiodon        0.699   0.373   1.014   0.556
    Dialga           0.677   0.368   0.986   0.553
    Tyranitar        0.628   0.368   0.928   0.553
    Shaymin          0.579   0.368   0.869   0.553
    Mew              0.579   0.368   0.869   0.553
    Manaphy          0.579   0.368   0.869   0.553
    Jirachi          0.579   0.368   0.869   0.553
    Celebi           0.579   0.368   0.869   0.553
    Heatran          0.577   0.367   0.864   0.549
    Walrein          0.561   0.357   0.851   0.541
    Cradily          0.518   0.358   0.793   0.539
    Gyarados         0.462   0.358   0.729   0.539
    Noctowl          0.334   0.356   0.579   0.538
    Mewtwo           0.549   0.349   0.835   0.531
    Latios           0.425   0.353   0.679   0.531
    Grumpig          0.36    0.353   0.6     0.531
    Rayquaza         0.546   0.347   0.831   0.529
    Slaking          0.749   0.335   1.085   0.528
    Dragonite        0.525   0.349   0.803   0.528
    Raikou           0.43    0.347   0.688   0.526
    Politoed         0.43    0.347   0.688   0.526
    Lanturn          0.428   0.336   0.703   0.522
    Garchomp         0.581   0.337   0.874   0.517
    Groudon          0.776   0.337   1.102   0.516
    Swampert         0.53    0.337   0.811   0.516
    Mesprit          0.533   0.339   0.81    0.515
    Gastrodon        0.449   0.332   0.721   0.513
    Bronzong         0.53    0.337   0.805   0.512
    Blastoise        0.508   0.337   0.779   0.512
    Empoleon         0.471   0.337   0.736   0.512
    Gardevoir        0.331   0.337   0.56    0.512
    Gallade          0.331   0.337   0.56    0.512
    Dewgong          0.453   0.332   0.716   0.508
    Claydol          0.462   0.33    0.721   0.503
    Clefable         0.434   0.327   0.695   0.503
    Kecleon          0.331   0.33    0.557   0.503
    Tropius          0.493   0.326   0.767   0.502
    Altaria          0.452   0.328   0.711   0.501
    Regirock         0.945   0.325   1.307   0.498
    Meganium         0.511   0.325   0.783   0.498
    Venusaur         0.438   0.325   0.694   0.498
    Ludicolo         0.381   0.325   0.626   0.498
    Dusknoir         0.509   0.324   0.781   0.497
    Entei            0.55    0.316   0.84    0.495
    Porygon2         0.483   0.322   0.751   0.495
    Hariyama         0.482   0.306   0.775   0.493
    Kangaskhan       0.495   0.315   0.772   0.491
    Poliwrath        0.522   0.317   0.799   0.49
    Swalot           0.496   0.315   0.771   0.49
    Zapdos           0.476   0.317   0.743   0.49
    Ampharos         0.43    0.317   0.688   0.49
    Flareon          0.304   0.318   0.526   0.488
    Torterra         0.586   0.312   0.876   0.485
    Bellossom        0.431   0.314   0.685   0.484
    Heracross        0.403   0.311   0.652   0.481
    Azumarill        0.481   0.306   0.753   0.479
    Ninetales        0.384   0.31    0.627   0.479
    Drifblim         0.394   0.291   0.678   0.478
    Vespiquen        0.485   0.309   0.75    0.477
    Moltres          0.499   0.303   0.771   0.473
    Nidoqueen        0.485   0.303   0.754   0.473
    Machamp          0.453   0.303   0.716   0.473
    Abomasnow        0.43    0.303   0.688   0.473
    Wailord          0.436   0.277   0.74    0.471
    Whiscash         0.473   0.294   0.748   0.468
    Kingdra          0.473   0.301   0.736   0.468
    Magmortar        0.356   0.301   0.594   0.468
    Hippowdon        0.699   0.294   1.013   0.467
    Slowbro          0.61    0.297   0.905   0.467
    Salamence        0.467   0.297   0.734   0.467
    Dusclops         0.471   0.299   0.734   0.467
    Metagross        0.641   0.298   0.94    0.465
    Wormadam Grass   0.387   0.294   0.627   0.458
    Mismagius        0.293   0.294   0.511   0.458
    Roserade         0.274   0.294   0.487   0.458
    Ledian           0.246   0.294   0.45    0.458
    Mantyke          0.226   0.292   0.421   0.456
    Arcanine         0.453   0.288   0.716   0.455
    Feraligatr       0.528   0.288   0.805   0.454
    Vileplume        0.431   0.288   0.685   0.452
    Lopunny          0.398   0.283   0.642   0.445
    Hitmontop        0.392   0.282   0.632   0.444
    Togetic          0.372   0.283   0.608   0.444
    Hitmonchan       0.336   0.282   0.562   0.444
    Hitmonlee        0.246   0.282   0.449   0.444
    Crobat           0.439   0.279   0.697   0.443
    Typhlosion       0.41    0.28    0.661   0.443
    Charizard        0.41    0.28    0.661   0.443
    Glaceon          0.499   0.28    0.767   0.442
    Jolteon          0.304   0.28    0.526   0.442
    Espeon           0.304   0.28    0.526   0.442
    Jynx             0.207   0.28    0.406   0.442
    Wigglytuff       0.382   0.262   0.658   0.441
    Mr. Mime         0.264   0.279   0.468   0.441
    Magnezone        0.538   0.278   0.815   0.439
    Darkrai          0.437   0.278   0.691   0.439
    Spiritomb        0.437   0.278   0.689   0.438
    Ursaring         0.43    0.273   0.688   0.438
    Lickitung        0.43    0.273   0.688   0.438
    Jumpluff         0.369   0.274   0.609   0.436
    Electivire       0.356   0.274   0.594   0.436
    Sunflora         0.306   0.274   0.532   0.436
    Phione           0.425   0.27    0.679   0.432
    Glalie           0.425   0.27    0.679   0.432
    Flygon           0.425   0.27    0.679   0.432
    Golduck          0.416   0.27    0.668   0.432
    Seaking          0.36    0.27    0.6     0.432
    Miltank          0.586   0.267   0.876   0.431
    Wormadam Steel   0.425   0.27    0.674   0.429
    Luxray           0.42    0.267   0.673   0.428
    Porygon-Z        0.394   0.265   0.643   0.426
    Mamoswine        0.509   0.258   0.79    0.425
    Exploud          0.407   0.259   0.667   0.424
    Lumineon         0.378   0.266   0.618   0.424
    Weavile          0.336   0.265   0.567   0.424
    Sceptile         0.336   0.265   0.567   0.424
    Lunatone         0.336   0.265   0.567   0.424
    Relicanth        0.726   0.259   1.044   0.423
    Dunsparce        0.432   0.259   0.695   0.423
    Happiny          0.113   0.259   0.317   0.423
    Armaldo          0.494   0.261   0.762   0.42
    Sealeo           0.407   0.259   0.661   0.42
    Lileep           0.373   0.262   0.612   0.42
    Houndoom         0.285   0.261   0.507   0.42
    Nidoking         0.414   0.258   0.666   0.417
    Rhyperior        0.79    0.248   1.121   0.415
    Skuntank         0.425   0.251   0.688   0.415
    Aerodactyl       0.36    0.256   0.6     0.415
    Pachirisu        0.331   0.258   0.557   0.414
    Dustox           0.331   0.258   0.557   0.414
    Masquerain       0.324   0.257   0.552   0.414
    Drowzee          0.237   0.258   0.441   0.414
    Quagsire         0.491   0.251   0.763   0.413
    Exeggutor        0.491   0.251   0.763   0.413
    Magmar           0.293   0.256   0.512   0.411
    Electabuzz       0.293   0.256   0.512   0.411
    Scizor           0.477   0.252   0.74    0.408
    Scyther          0.396   0.252   0.641   0.408
    Piloswine        0.481   0.243   0.753   0.405
    Pidgeot          0.411   0.247   0.663   0.405
    Gliscor          0.599   0.248   0.889   0.403
    Octillery        0.39    0.248   0.634   0.403
    Golbat           0.369   0.248   0.609   0.403
    Cherrim          0.356   0.247   0.592   0.401
    Wormadam Ground  0.462   0.246   0.721   0.399
    Starmie          0.387   0.246   0.627   0.399
    Misdreavus       0.293   0.246   0.511   0.399
    Minun            0.255   0.246   0.464   0.399
    Blaziken         0.381   0.242   0.626   0.398
    Rapidash         0.343   0.243   0.575   0.396
    Chimecho         0.343   0.243   0.575   0.396
    Beedrill         0.226   0.243   0.43    0.396
    Bronzor          0.382   0.243   0.62    0.394
    Infernape        0.375   0.239   0.617   0.393
    Drapion          0.518   0.239   0.79    0.392
    Camerupt         0.356   0.239   0.592   0.392
    Venomoth         0.315   0.239   0.542   0.392
    Carnivine        0.374   0.238   0.616   0.391
    Tentacool        0.169   0.239   0.345   0.389
    Toxicroak        0.367   0.233   0.61    0.388
    Deoxys Speed     0.375   0.238   0.61    0.388
    Tauros           0.473   0.234   0.736   0.387
    Azelf            0.369   0.234   0.609   0.387
    Corsola          0.372   0.237   0.608   0.387
    Alakazam         0.228   0.237   0.427   0.387
    Donphan          0.638   0.229   0.937   0.385
    Granbull         0.43    0.229   0.688   0.385
    Shiftry          0.36    0.229   0.605   0.385
    Marowak          0.481   0.234   0.744   0.384
    Metang           0.443   0.234   0.697   0.384
    Parasect         0.368   0.234   0.604   0.384
    Bayleef          0.368   0.234   0.604   0.384
    Electrode        0.331   0.234   0.557   0.384
    Ivysaur          0.304   0.234   0.525   0.384
    Raichu           0.274   0.234   0.487   0.384
    Butterfree       0.255   0.234   0.464   0.384
    Spoink           0.199   0.234   0.394   0.384
    Golem            0.641   0.229   0.94    0.382
    Wartortle        0.365   0.232   0.6     0.382
    Porygon          0.343   0.231   0.575   0.381
    Prinplup         0.333   0.231   0.562   0.381
    Arbok            0.327   0.232   0.553   0.381
    Volbeat          0.285   0.231   0.502   0.381
    Illumise         0.285   0.231   0.502   0.381
    Torkoal          0.639   0.226   0.938   0.376
    Omastar          0.578   0.226   0.864   0.376
    Pupitar          0.356   0.226   0.592   0.376
    Marshtomp        0.356   0.226   0.592   0.376
    Lucario          0.356   0.226   0.592   0.376
    Froslass         0.356   0.226   0.592   0.376
    Castform         0.356   0.226   0.592   0.376
    Honchkrow        0.344   0.219   0.59    0.375
    Ambipom          0.352   0.224   0.589   0.374
    Steelix          0.913   0.221   1.271   0.371
    Grotle           0.431   0.221   0.685   0.371
    Medicham         0.349   0.222   0.581   0.369
    Gloom            0.331   0.222   0.557   0.369
    Gengar           0.293   0.222   0.511   0.369
    Plusle           0.218   0.222   0.417   0.369
    Tangrowth        0.702   0.212   1.015   0.368
    Stantler         0.33    0.218   0.562   0.367
    Skarmory         0.616   0.218   0.911   0.365
    Weezing          0.538   0.218   0.815   0.365
    Pinsir           0.46    0.218   0.719   0.365
    Machoke          0.381   0.215   0.626   0.365
    Victreebel       0.36    0.215   0.6     0.365
    Xatu             0.343   0.218   0.575   0.365
    Primeape         0.304   0.218   0.526   0.365
    Seel             0.285   0.218   0.502   0.365
    Linoone          0.338   0.215   0.573   0.364
    Yanmega          0.469   0.212   0.733   0.363
    Rampardos        0.376   0.209   0.627   0.363
    Bibarel          0.336   0.213   0.571   0.363
    Shellos          0.278   0.215   0.5     0.363
    Sudowoodo        0.538   0.213   0.815   0.361
    Solrock          0.417   0.213   0.666   0.361
    Girafarig        0.336   0.213   0.567   0.361
    Clefairy         0.267   0.213   0.483   0.361
    Magcargo         0.479   0.216   0.742   0.36
    Roselia          0.219   0.216   0.414   0.36
    Wailmer          0.306   0.195   0.564   0.359
    Rhydon           0.697   0.202   1.01    0.358
    Huntail          0.444   0.214   0.698   0.358
    Gorebyss         0.444   0.214   0.698   0.358
    Furret           0.367   0.208   0.611   0.358
    Sneasel          0.264   0.214   0.472   0.358
    Dragonair        0.314   0.212   0.537   0.357
    Forretress       0.662   0.208   0.966   0.355
    Kabutops         0.462   0.21    0.721   0.354
    Pelipper         0.443   0.21    0.697   0.354
    Lombre           0.255   0.21    0.464   0.354
    Rotom            0.33    0.21    0.554   0.352
    Wynaut           0.314   0.2     0.553   0.352
    Zangoose         0.322   0.205   0.552   0.351
    Seviper          0.322   0.205   0.552   0.351
    Leafeon          0.577   0.206   0.863   0.35
    Gligar           0.48    0.206   0.743   0.35
    Persian          0.304   0.206   0.526   0.35
    Vigoroth         0.425   0.201   0.679   0.348
    Aggron           0.801   0.201   1.136   0.345
    Mightyena        0.356   0.201   0.592   0.345
    Ariados          0.356   0.201   0.592   0.345
    Manectric        0.315   0.201   0.542   0.345
    Cacturne         0.315   0.201   0.542   0.345
    Flaaffy          0.295   0.201   0.517   0.345
    Croconaw         0.382   0.201   0.623   0.344
    Purugly          0.334   0.199   0.565   0.344
    Raticate         0.282   0.202   0.495   0.343
    Banette          0.321   0.199   0.547   0.342
    Chinchou         0.235   0.197   0.446   0.342
    Staraptor        0.394   0.194   0.643   0.341
    Floatzel         0.327   0.194   0.563   0.341
    Sandslash        0.536   0.194   0.813   0.339
    Fearow           0.324   0.196   0.55    0.338
    Nosepass         0.443   0.199   0.701   0.337
    Ledyba           0.153   0.198   0.325   0.337
    Absol            0.304   0.193   0.526   0.335
    Quilava          0.281   0.195   0.495   0.335
    Charmeleon       0.281   0.195   0.495   0.335
    Swablu           0.259   0.197   0.463   0.335
    Magneton         0.392   0.194   0.632   0.333
    Shieldon         0.393   0.195   0.637   0.332
    Grimer           0.295   0.187   0.521   0.332
    Nidorina         0.344   0.188   0.577   0.329
    Delcatty         0.336   0.188   0.567   0.329
    Kricketune       0.293   0.186   0.518   0.329
    Drifloon         0.24    0.182   0.462   0.329
    Skiploom         0.246   0.191   0.45    0.329
    Eevee            0.246   0.191   0.45    0.329
    Breloom          0.368   0.186   0.604   0.325
    Gabite           0.331   0.185   0.56    0.325
    Dodrio           0.331   0.186   0.557   0.325
    Spinda           0.293   0.186   0.511   0.325
    Shroomish        0.293   0.186   0.511   0.325
    Combusken        0.293   0.186   0.511   0.325
    Snover           0.255   0.186   0.464   0.325
    Gulpin           0.287   0.183   0.508   0.323
    Qwilfish         0.363   0.181   0.599   0.32
    Sableye          0.323   0.183   0.545   0.319
    Ponyta           0.253   0.183   0.457   0.319
    Grovyle          0.219   0.183   0.414   0.319
    Crawdaunt        0.396   0.178   0.639   0.316
    Slowpoke         0.384   0.17    0.633   0.315
    Phanpy           0.36    0.17    0.605   0.315
    Loudred          0.271   0.173   0.495   0.315
    Farfetch'd       0.257   0.179   0.463   0.314
    Spheal           0.275   0.175   0.493   0.313
    Mothim           0.275   0.175   0.493   0.313
    Marill           0.275   0.175   0.493   0.313
    Hoothoot         0.18    0.177   0.371   0.313
    Nidorino         0.284   0.176   0.5     0.312
    Duskull          0.281   0.179   0.49    0.312
    Mime Jr.         0.164   0.179   0.332   0.312
    Baltoy           0.232   0.178   0.427   0.311
    Budew            0.169   0.178   0.345   0.311
    Kadabra          0.153   0.178   0.325   0.311
    Venonat          0.255   0.174   0.464   0.31
    Monferno         0.271   0.172   0.485   0.308
    Chikorita        0.276   0.176   0.485   0.308
    Oddish           0.243   0.176   0.442   0.308
    Bulbasaur        0.223   0.176   0.417   0.308
    Smoochum         0.11    0.176   0.273   0.308
    Finneon          0.255   0.173   0.459   0.305
    Shelgon          0.46    0.169   0.719   0.304
    Poliwhirl        0.324   0.169   0.55    0.304
    Luvdisc          0.239   0.172   0.436   0.304
    Squirtle         0.274   0.172   0.481   0.303
    Buneary          0.224   0.17    0.423   0.303
    Pidgeotto        0.281   0.166   0.496   0.301
    Turtwig          0.296   0.168   0.513   0.3
    Aipom            0.264   0.168   0.472   0.3
    Dugtrio          0.207   0.17    0.392   0.3
    Piplup           0.252   0.167   0.457   0.299
    Chatot           0.266   0.161   0.484   0.298
    Ninjask          0.238   0.164   0.443   0.297
    Jigglypuff       0.203   0.146   0.434   0.296
    Lairon           0.594   0.162   0.884   0.295
    Swellow          0.293   0.162   0.511   0.295
    Teddiursa        0.255   0.162   0.464   0.295
    Beautifly        0.255   0.162   0.464   0.295
    Vulpix           0.181   0.165   0.361   0.293
    Luxio            0.252   0.16    0.459   0.292
    Mawile           0.357   0.161   0.589   0.291
    Cleffa           0.16    0.161   0.339   0.291
    Weepinbell       0.265   0.156   0.478   0.289
    Yanma            0.246   0.156   0.454   0.289
    Togepi           0.252   0.16    0.452   0.287
    Kingler          0.481   0.156   0.744   0.286
    Growlithe        0.228   0.156   0.427   0.286
    Hippopotas       0.383   0.152   0.624   0.285
    Beldum           0.312   0.158   0.529   0.285
    Sharpedo         0.235   0.149   0.443   0.282
    Nuzleaf          0.235   0.149   0.443   0.282
    Haunter          0.209   0.154   0.4     0.281
    Magby            0.183   0.154   0.366   0.281
    Elekid           0.183   0.154   0.366   0.281
    Exeggcute        0.368   0.151   0.604   0.28
    Numel            0.218   0.151   0.417   0.28
    Cubone           0.392   0.15    0.632   0.277
    Vibrava          0.236   0.15    0.435   0.277
    Snorunt          0.236   0.15    0.435   0.277
    (null)           0.236   0.15    0.435   0.277
    Mudkip           0.236   0.15    0.435   0.277
    Larvitar         0.236   0.15    0.435   0.277
    Gible            0.233   0.148   0.435   0.277
    Psyduck          0.229   0.15    0.427   0.277
    Cherubi          0.209   0.15    0.4     0.276
    Tangela          0.519   0.144   0.791   0.274
    Stunky           0.25    0.144   0.458   0.273
    Graveler         0.481   0.145   0.744   0.272
    Seadra           0.408   0.145   0.653   0.272
    Skorupi          0.344   0.148   0.57    0.272
    Voltorb          0.216   0.148   0.407   0.272
    Mareep           0.21    0.145   0.405   0.272
    Smeargle         0.191   0.145   0.382   0.272
    Treecko          0.169   0.148   0.345   0.272
    Totodile         0.284   0.146   0.497   0.271
    Murkrow          0.225   0.143   0.427   0.271
    Goldeen          0.259   0.144   0.463   0.268
    Unown            0.225   0.143   0.421   0.268
    Ditto            0.225   0.143   0.421   0.268
    Chingling        0.226   0.144   0.421   0.268
    Anorith          0.226   0.144   0.421   0.268
    Torchic          0.193   0.144   0.379   0.268
    Kirlia           0.166   0.145   0.341   0.268
    Houndour         0.16    0.144   0.336   0.268
    Machop           0.275   0.136   0.493   0.266
    Rhyhorn          0.49    0.132   0.757   0.265
    Snubbull         0.255   0.139   0.464   0.265
    Bidoof           0.216   0.138   0.415   0.264
    Surskit          0.159   0.142   0.333   0.264
    Cloyster         0.687   0.139   1.004   0.263
    Bonsly           0.392   0.139   0.632   0.263
    Omanyte          0.358   0.141   0.59    0.262
    Clamperl         0.313   0.141   0.53    0.262
    Paras            0.222   0.141   0.412   0.262
    Hoppip           0.176   0.141   0.353   0.262
    Dratini          0.202   0.139   0.389   0.26
    Ekans            0.188   0.139   0.369   0.26
    Lotad            0.153   0.138   0.325   0.259
    Nidoran F        0.253   0.133   0.459   0.257
    Staravia         0.246   0.133   0.45    0.257
    Cyndaquil        0.192   0.136   0.375   0.257
    Charmander       0.192   0.136   0.375   0.257
    Trapinch         0.209   0.133   0.4     0.254
    Delibird         0.209   0.133   0.4     0.254
    Makuhita         0.197   0.125   0.398   0.253
    Staryu           0.211   0.134   0.397   0.253
    Meditite         0.211   0.134   0.397   0.253
    Barboach         0.212   0.13    0.405   0.252
    Slakoth          0.293   0.127   0.511   0.251
    Chimchar         0.204   0.13    0.393   0.25
    Aron             0.409   0.128   0.654   0.249
    Cacnea           0.201   0.128   0.392   0.249
    Azurill          0.201   0.128   0.392   0.249
    Koffing          0.359   0.127   0.591   0.246
    Cranidos         0.23    0.121   0.435   0.246
    Natu             0.2     0.127   0.386   0.246
    Croagunk         0.198   0.126   0.386   0.246
    Burmy            0.2     0.127   0.386   0.246
    Mankey           0.169   0.127   0.345   0.246
    Igglybuff        0.152   0.112   0.357   0.244
    Magnemite        0.242   0.128   0.437   0.243
    Nidoran M        0.195   0.124   0.381   0.243
    Abra             0.091   0.128   0.236   0.243
    Glameow          0.206   0.12    0.398   0.239
    Onix             0.541   0.122   0.826   0.237
    Sentret          0.158   0.122   0.329   0.237
    Pineco           0.375   0.117   0.61    0.235
    Skitty           0.219   0.117   0.414   0.235
    Spinarak         0.185   0.117   0.366   0.233
    Slugma           0.185   0.117   0.366   0.233
    Riolu            0.185   0.117   0.366   0.233
    Poliwag          0.185   0.117   0.366   0.233
    Electrike        0.185   0.117   0.366   0.233
    Zubat            0.169   0.117   0.345   0.233
    Meowth           0.169   0.117   0.345   0.233
    Feebas           0.099   0.121   0.244   0.233
    Zigzagoon        0.184   0.117   0.365   0.232
    Kricketot        0.183   0.116   0.362   0.23
    Buizel           0.191   0.11    0.382   0.229
    Kabuto           0.312   0.116   0.53    0.228
    Shinx            0.173   0.11    0.353   0.225
    Corphish         0.271   0.11    0.478   0.224
    Pikachu          0.146   0.112   0.314   0.224
    Sandshrew        0.357   0.106   0.589   0.221
    Swinub           0.201   0.106   0.392   0.221
    Bellsprout       0.184   0.106   0.37    0.221
    Shuppet          0.175   0.107   0.355   0.221
    Combee           0.174   0.11    0.348   0.221
    Pidgey           0.185   0.107   0.366   0.22
    Whismur          0.159   0.101   0.346   0.22
    Bagon            0.259   0.101   0.463   0.214
    Wooper           0.228   0.099   0.427   0.214
    Wurmple          0.176   0.101   0.358   0.214
    Doduo            0.191   0.102   0.373   0.212
    Tyrogue          0.161   0.102   0.333   0.212
    Remoraid         0.161   0.102   0.333   0.212
    Spearow          0.153   0.099   0.325   0.209
    Geodude          0.375   0.097   0.611   0.207
    Silcoon          0.253   0.095   0.457   0.207
    Metapod          0.253   0.095   0.457   0.207
    Cascoon          0.253   0.095   0.457   0.207
    Seedot           0.216   0.097   0.407   0.207
    Wingull          0.153   0.097   0.325   0.207
    Taillow          0.153   0.097   0.325   0.207
    Starly           0.153   0.097   0.325   0.207
    Rattata          0.153   0.098   0.321   0.204
    Gastly           0.139   0.098   0.302   0.204
    Ralts            0.122   0.096   0.279   0.201
    Kakuna           0.226   0.091   0.421   0.2
    Poochyena        0.161   0.093   0.333   0.199
    Nincada          0.316   0.089   0.534   0.194
    Diglett          0.1     0.093   0.24    0.194
    Deoxys Attack    0.132   0.084   0.304   0.193
    Sunkern          0.139   0.088   0.302   0.192
    Pichu            0.086   0.088   0.227   0.189
    Caterpie         0.176   0.08    0.358   0.187
    Carvanha         0.126   0.08    0.294   0.187
    Weedle           0.153   0.077   0.325   0.181
    Shellder         0.341   0.079   0.568   0.18
    Krabby           0.312   0.079   0.53    0.18
    Horsea           0.255   0.079   0.454   0.18
    Magikarp         0.19    0.063   0.367   0.155
    So a Magikarp is worth .063 BlissCents, meaning that a Magikarp at full health is worth a Blissey at 6.3% health.

    Questions, comments, welcome.
  2. Yoko Rains

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    Really amazing research, will need to read, re-read, and re-re-read to understand all this stuff. But just wondering, why are their 3 columns?

    For example, Regirock is: 0.945 0.325 1.307 0.498

    What does each mean?

    EDIT: Nevermind I understand now.


    And this is much easier to understand. Try re-doing the attack tiers, only using the highest physical Pokemon and highest special Pokemon.
  3. kamikaen

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    Love the new idea, but perhaps dollars? $1.03 makes much more sense to me than 1.03 cents. SkamBucks, it's kidna like Starbucks, amirite? BlissBucks sounds interesting as well. I kinda liked defense tiers better, since I figured out where the "log" button is on my calculator (joking), and since I know how to calculate them (I memorized the magic number .041292685, finally). I'll probably continue using them for my personal use.

    Edit: While the idea of using the most popular walls of each side of the spectrum (though Hippo is more common now, I think), I can't help but feel that the original defense tiers worked better, since you could even compare stuff like Donphan's defensive walling with stuff like Vaporeon's special walling. I think using some more similar "bucks", or "cents", such as WeezingBucks and EmpoleonBucks, woudl've worked better.

    But redoing it would be too huge a task. :P
  4. Jenigmat

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    Just a quick question, it may be just me, but these are the numbers Skarmory has for SkarmCents.
    .616 .218 .911 .365
    If I'm not mistaken, does that mean that you aren't taking nature into account? Bold Skarm with 252/252 would have 1, but the extra .089 would be accounted for with nature.

    EDIT: 100th post. And yea, I reread it, you arent' taking them into account.
  5. marrilpet

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    Same here. I've actually been working on a spreadsheet for easy calculations of attack and defense tiers. Once I finish it, I'll upload it to here.
  6. Yoko Rains

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    Now all we need are RampardoBucks (or cents) and TwoBucks/MewBucks/MewtwoBucks (...or cents lol). I really liked the Skarm and Bliss idea though to make it easier to understand.
  7. Volteon

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    I think Cents it's from percent.
    Anyways, very interesting list! Great for comparing.
  8. Hyra

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    Wow, this just further proves Blissey's awesomeness. a Max/Max+ Chansey can't even surpass Max HP Blissey.

    Dragontamer, this is easier to understand, but less useful overall. Unless you find away to make it so that you only need to do calculations on your "standard" Skarmory and Blissey and then have some way to convert those percentages onto other Pokemon.

    Maybe you could just multiply by the inverse of the Skarm/BlissCents? I don't know, but I'm sure you'll figure out a way.
  9. Shinryu

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    I thought standard Skarm was Impish?
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    True, but in terms of this list, Impish and Bold is the same thing.
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    Yep! But both Impish and Bold are +Defense natures. Therefore, when viewing it data-wise, they're considered the same.

    EDIT: Ah [.darkie] beat me to it.
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    Nice. To me, a list without resistances is actually more helpful, if I'm looking to compare two things like how much damage two pokemon with different typing would take from a specific attack, which is what I use the defense tiers for most often.
  13. Dragontamer

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    Hmm, they roll off the tongue much easier :-) I like em better.

    You do know... that is log(1.1) right? >_>

    Thats aight, cause now you've memorized log(1.1), which is useful... because... erm... 10^(.041292685) == 1.1 >_>

    Precisely. Everyone's defenses (both Sp. Def and Def) were on the same scale and it was easy to see everyone in terms of everyone else. To do it now, you'd have to do Weezing's SkarmBucks / Vaporeon's SkarmBucks...

    Anyway, if you _really_ want to know how to translate SkarmBucks into BlissBucks

    Actually, just Max/Max Chansey. The 10% boost in Sp. Def is not on the max list because nature isn't accounted in these tables.

    Well, yeah, that works too. You can use Metalkid's Calculator on the Standard Skarm or the Standard Blissey, ignore the resistance/weakness and then volia, skarmbucks / blissbucks.

    Still think its faster to do an attack tier though...
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    well, I don't feel like memorizing lists. I also am usually doing very specific EV spreads by the time I get to damage calculations, I usually have a generally idea of what is needed to do what.

    Maybe I should have looked into this when designing my spread for Coopers thread (this being the original tiers) In fact I feel like doing that to find the counters to the monstrosity I envision.
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    Nice work DT, though I find Defense Tiers more useful for selecting walls. But yeah, running a scale relative to the stats of the most standard walls is nice.
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    How about multiplying every number you've got by 100, so that a 252HP 0 SpDef Blissey is 100%? That way, the term 'cents' makes even more sense, since they are percentages.

    Also, I'd suggest you ignore the decimal places after the percentage so that you have whole numbers instead of decimals, which in my opinion makes the numbers more readable and more accepted by the "common people".

    As you know, this was a slight complaint I had for your defense and attack logarithmic tiers as well. Since this system is just in its infancy, I hope this time you heed the above suggestions. :)

    P.S. I still have the 'whole number version' of your Defense and Attack tiers if you need them!
  17. Dragontamer

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    Lol, why not?

    I'll make an update to 0.2 Beta later however. For now, I'll gather more opinions and see if there's a way to do "attack tiers".

    BTW: Cent is derivative of the word 100. A cent is 100th of a dollar. Per Cent means literally, per 100. Ex. 9 % == 9 per 100. Literally. Like Miles per hour?

    Whether or not "BlissCents" is named after Dollars or Percents is irrelevant, as they share a common root.
  18. Pikachu of Doom

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    I prefered the tiers TBH.

    @Xact: I'm interested in the whole number tiers.

    EDIT: This is my nifty little formula,

    Min Percentage Damage = (Ceil(HP/0.85 - 2) * Defence / 0.84) / (Attack * BP)

    The first set of brackets is the 'Defence Value' and the 'Attack Value' is simply Attack * Move Power.

    You could of course change the Def Value formula to Ceil(HP/0.85 - 2) * Defence and Attack Value to Attack * BP * 0.84.
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    lol, in truth, when I first saw the defensive tiers I immediately said tl;dr after reading a few lines. But this makes a hell of a lot more sense to me, the guy who's bad at algebra. Nice work.
  20. eric the espeon

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    this is much esyer to understand.
    could you add sandstorm sp.def boost plz.
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    While I can see myself personally using the Defense Tiers list more as I'm now fairly acquainted with it, you really need to be commended on constructing a a second tiers list that's this simple to understand.

    It's a brilliant concept, thoroughly researched and presented in an easy-to-understand manner. I take my hat off to you.
  22. X-Act

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    You can do this yourself by just multiplying the SpD cent by 1.5. You can also perform any other boost by just multiplying by the usual boost.
  23. eric the espeon

    eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood
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    brilliant!! thats much easyer than with the other defence tiers
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    Wow, Dragontamer, you're a fucking god.



    And about the AttackCents, how about using the attack/sp. att stat and the strongest move? But things like Focus Punch, or Giga Impact couldn't be used.
  25. X-Act

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    I also think "AttackCents" are not that difficult to construct either. If you want, I'll help you with them.
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