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OU Blissey

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  1. TRC

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    Overview
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    While Blissey was formerly the most formidable special wall in the game, it is largely outclassed by its own sister Chansey, which effectively has much higher defensive stats and is therefore better at its job. It is still a great special wall, with the highest base HP in the game. This coupled with its large Special Defense makes it near unbreakable on the special side. It also has access to a vast arsenal of support moves, including Wish, Heal Bell, Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave, and Toxic, which allow it to function as an excellent cleric. However, it still possesses an abysmal Defense stat, which despite Blissey's high HP, doesn't do it any favors. It also competes with a variety of new Pokemon for a spot on a team as a special wall; with the introduction of the Assault Vest item, Pokemon such as Goodra and Tyranitar are effective special sponges that can also function well offensively, while Pokemon such as Sylveon have a more advantageous typing. However, as mentioned before, the Pokemon it faces the most competition of all with is its own sister Chansey, which possesses far superior bulk when equipped with an Eviolite, making it a much better special wall that can potentially wall on the physical side as well. Nevertheless, Blissey can use Leftovers, which allows it to cope better with passive damage such as sand, entry hazards, and Leech Seed; it also has a usable Special Attack to catch many Pokemon off-guard with Flamethrower, Thunderbolt, or Ice Beam.

    Cleric
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    name: Cleric
    move 1: Soft-Boiled
    move 2: Heal Bell / Flamethrower
    move 3: Toxic / Thunder Wave
    move 4: Seismic Toss
    ability: Natural Cure
    item: Leftovers
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
    nature: Bold

    Moves
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    This set allows Blissey to function as a formidable special wall while simultaneously supporting the team with its clerical abilities. Soft-Boiled is the primary move as it is Blissey's most reliable means of recovery, and it is essential for it to wall opponents effectively. Heal Bell is used to cure its teammates of status, potentially allowing offensive Pokemon another chance to sweep, or enlarging a defensive Pokemon's lifespan by removing Toxic or burn, while Flamethrower is one of the factors which differentiates Blissey from Chansey; it allows Blissey to damage Steel-types outside of Seismic Toss, such as Ferrothorn and Aegislash. The third slot is dependent on what status effect you want Blissey to inflict; Toxic allows Blissey to gradually wear down special attackers, stalling them out, while Thunder Wave cripples Pokemon on the switch that Blissey can't deal with itself, especially fast physical sweepers such as Dragonite, Lucario, and Terrakion. Finally, Seismic Toss allows Blissey to break through opponents slowly but reliably, chipping away 100 HP with each use. Stealth Rock can be used as another supporting option if your team does not have a Stealth Rock user, and Blissey has ample opportunities to set it up.

    Set Details
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    This cleric set is most effective on stall teams and primarily defensive balanced teams, though it can be used on any team in need of a cleric. The EVs are invested in both of its defenses rather than its HP, which makes it more effective as a special wall with a marginal difference in Defense. It also limits the amount of health gained by opponents using Leech Seed. Leftovers allows for passive recovery, something that Chansey cannot even hope to have.

    Usage Tips
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    Being a special wall, Blissey can switch in to most special attackers quite easily and either inflict a status effect on them or wear them down with Seismic Toss. Bear in mind that Latios, Latias, and Keldeo, while special attackers, have either Psyshock or Secret Sword, which are special moves that use the opponent's Defense stat in damage calculation, meaning that Blissey can not wall those Pokemon. Sometimes, it is critical to use Toxic immediately to wear down setup sweepers, as if Blissey spends its time supporting, the foe could start setting up boosts which could potentially allow it to break through Blissey. Because special attackers are unlikely to stay in on Blissey, it is an excellent idea to use either Thunder Wave or Toxic to cripple the predicted physical switch-in. If there are no special attackers left for Blissey to wall, it is generally not needed any more on the team. It might be beneficial to the team's momentum to sacrifice Blissey in a necessary situation.

    Team Options
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    Being weak to physical attacks, Blissey needs teammates to cover physically attacking threats, most often physical walls; this is especially relevant on stall teams, which need Pokemon that can deal with almost all offensive threats. Skarmory forms the well-known "SkarmBliss" core with Blissey, with Skarmory being the physical wall of the duo. While not as effective as it used to be due to a larger amount of mixed attackers, it can still function very well with the right support. Hippowdon is a very solid physical wall; it can take on many physical attackers, phaze opponents with Whirlwind, and support the team with the sandstorm it provides. Of course, there are many other physical walls that fit well on stall teams while also covering up Blissey's weakness to Fighting-type moves: Landorus-T, Gliscor, Slowbro, and RestTalk Gyarados are a few good examples. Other stall staples that can support Blissey in some way include Grass-types such as Gourgeist-XL, Trevenant, Mega Venusaur, and Amoonguss, as they can all check physical Fighting-types. Sableye can also check Fighting-types like Lucario, as well as other problematic Pokemon such as Reuniclus and Alakazam. Ghost-types are also solid partners, as they are completely immune to Fighting-type attacks. Some common examples include the aforementioned Sableye, Trevenant, and Gourgeist-XL, as well as Aegislash and Gengar. For more balanced teams, Gengar, Talonflame, and Dragonite are good options for their ability to offensively check some threats to Blissey while also appreciating cleric support.

    Wish Passer
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    name: Wish Passer
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Soft-Boiled / Protect
    move 3: Seismic Toss
    move 4: Toxic
    ability: Natural Cure
    item: Leftovers
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
    nature: Bold

    Moves
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    This set allows Blissey to support its teammates in a different way: by healing them with its gigantic Wishes. Indeed, through the rare event in Generation 3, Blissey can learn the move Wish, which allows it to fully heal almost any Pokemon thanks to Blissey's massive HP stat. The Wish itself is 326 HP, which is almost always enough to restore a teammate to its peak. The next slot can be somewhat varied depending on how you want to play. Soft-Boiled gives Blissey a reliable form of recovery immediately, and it also helps against boosting physical sweepers such as Lucario. However, Protect allows Blissey to guarantee itself to be the receiver of the Wish (except against Roar and Whirlwind) while also scouting the opponent's moves and providing itself with an extra turn of Leftovers recovery. Either of these moves are mandatory when using Wish, or Blissey can not reliably heal itself. Toxic and Seismic Toss are used to wear down the opponent; Toxic works better against defensive Pokemon while Seismic Toss is used for offensive Pokemon, as well as the Steel- and Poison-types that are immune to Toxic. Similar to the first set, Blissey can also run any number of its plentiful wealth of support options. Thunder Wave can be used to cripple fast sweepers and Stealth Rock can be used if your team is in need of it. Flamethrower is another option to deal heavy damage to Ferrothorn and Forretress.

    Set Details
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    The EVs maximize both Defense and Special Defense, which allows Blissey to take on special setup sweepers such as Manaphy and Volcarona, while a Bold nature helps mitigate its terrible Defense stat. However, a spread of 252 HP / 252 Def with a Bold nature allows Blissey to survive two Psyshocks from Mega Gardevoir. Like the first set, Leftovers is mandatory for the passive healing.

    Usage Tips
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    This set plays very similarly to the first set in terms of walling special attacks; it is important to remember that Blissey can't wall Keldeo, Latios, or Latias. Toxic is very detrimental to nearly all Pokemon, so if you predict a switch-in from a foe, using Toxic is a great choice. If the opponent is a Steel- or Poison-type, then Seismic Toss would be the preferred option. Wish support can often be very predictable if an important teammate is at a low level of health, so the opponent can easily switch in a check to that Pokemon. Try to predict this and switch in your own check, which could appreciate the Wish just as much as your other teammate would. Finally, bear in mind that Roar and Whirlwind now hit through Protect, so Blissey is not always guaranteed to receive its own Wish against Pokemon that can learn these moves.

    Team Options
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    Again, physical walls make an effective defensive core with Blissey. Skarmory, Hippowdon, and Gliscor are common examples that can all support Blissey in some way. A teammate that can cover Blissey's Fighting-type weakness is recommended; Landorus-T, Slowbro, Trevenant, Mega Venusaur, and Sableye can all switch into these attacks with impunity, and other Ghost-types such as Aegislash and Gengar can do the same while also threatening these opponents offensively. A Rapid Spinner is helpful for this set as it switches in to battle frequently in order to heal teammates with Wish. However, because Blissey is often used on stall or balanced teams, a Defog user is not recommended, as it will remove any entry hazards set by Blissey's own teammates. Viable Rapid Spinners that can fit well on bulkier teams include Forretress and Excadrill. Ferrothorn also makes a good partner due to its ability to check physical Dragon-types and set up its own entry hazards. Finally, a check for Keldeo, Latias, and Latios is appreciated, as they can all break through Blissey with either of Psyshock or Secret Sword, or set up in its face with Substitute and Calm Mind. Latias and Latios can even Defog away the entry hazards that stall teams need. Pursuit trappers can easily deal with Latias and Latios; Tyranitar, Aegislash, and Mega Scizor can all use Pursuit, and all fit reasonably well on balanced teams. Celebi can deal with Keldeo fairly easily.

    Other Options
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    Blissey actually has quite a wide special movepool to work with. Fire Blast is an alternative to Flamethrower for much higher power, but the low accuracy makes it problematic for a defensive Pokemon to use. Ice Beam can surprise Gliscor and Landorus-T, but it offers little else outside of these two threats, so it is generally better to have a teammate that can deal with these Pokemon. Thunderbolt is similar to Ice Beam in the fact that it can surprise Gyarados and Talonflame, but it really doesn't do much else. Skill Swap is a niche option which allows Blissey to combat Gliscor and Reuniclus by swapping their abilities, but it really doesn't have much other use. Blissey can also set up Gravity on teams built to utilize it, as well as use Calm Mind to give it a more offensive touch. However, it is outclassed by almost every other Calm Mind sweeper due to the fact that it lacks a lot of power and is very easily walled.

    Checks & Counters
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    **Gliscor**: Gliscor completely counters Blissey bar the incredibly rare Ice Beam or Skill Swap. It is immune to Toxic and Thunder Wave and takes very little damage from Seismic Toss or Flamethrower. Gliscor can stall Blissey out or just outright attack it with Earthquake.

    **Magic Guard Attackers**: Calm Mind Clefable and Reuniclus with Magic Guard are immune to Toxic, have Recover to reliably heal, and can boost their Special Attack with Calm Mind until they can KO Blissey.

    **Offensive Steel-types**: Aegislash and Mawile work similarly to defeat Blissey, as they are both immune to Toxic, don't mind paralysis due to their already low Speed and access to priority, and can set up on Blissey and hit it with their physical attacks. Excadrill is immune to Toxic and Thunder Wave and can set up on Blissey while threatening it with a powerful Iron Head or Earthquake.

    **Bulky Steel-types**: For sets without Flamethrower, Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Skarmory can easily switch in and set up Spikes on Blissey. Scizor can switch in on sets that lack Flamethrower, and is able to set up and hit with a powerful Superpower. For sets that do run Flamethrower instead of Seismic Toss, Heatran is a big issue. All of these Pokemon are also unaffected by Toxic.

    **Physical Attackers**: Physical attackers that can switch in safely can easily beat Blissey. Strong Fighting-types such as Conkeldurr, Terrakion, Infernape, and Breloom can swiftly finish Blissey with their strong STAB attacks. Most strong Choice Band users such as Haxorus and Tyranitar can also fulfill a similar role, as well as simply strong physical attackers without a Fighting-type STAB, such as Azumarill, Crawdaunt, Diggersby, and Kyurem-B. Finally, setup sweepers such as Garchomp and Dragonite can force it out.

    **Psyshock and Secret Sword** Despite being special attackers, users of Psyshock and Secret Sword can break through Blissey with relative ease. Alakazam and Latios and cut through it with Psyshock, while Keldeo can 2HKO with Secret Sword.

    **Taunt and Trick** Taunt users such as Jellicent and Sableye can stall Blissey out, while Pokemon that can Trick a Choice item onto it such as Rotom-W, Gothitelle, and Noivern effectively render it useless as well.

    **Trapping** Pursuit users such as Tyranitar, Bisharp, and Scizor, as well as trappers such as Dugtrio and Gothitelle, can trap and dispose of a weakened Blissey before it even has a chance to move.
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    I know you're just using Princess Bubblegum's skeleton, but I was surprised to find no mention of Knock Off. Not being crippled by it is a pretty good advantage it has over Chansey, and that's an important decision to make.
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    It is still crippled by it, just not as much. I will mention it when I wrote it up in the overview where it is compared to chansey.
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    I'm not so hot about giving Blissey 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD over 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD. When you move the HP EVs, it's a marginal difference, but you're not losing any bulk, as evidenced by the calcs below. You're really just moving it over to the side that you'll need it more often on. (Note: I chose the opponents below simply because the numbers were almost exactly the same. Notice how they both drop about 3%.)

    On the Special side:

    252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey in Sun: 241-285 (33.7 - 39.9%)
    252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Blissey in Sun: 202-238 (30.9 - 36.5%)

    On the Physical side:

    4 Atk Abomasnow Wood Hammer vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 220-259 (33.7 - 39.7%)
    4 Atk Abomasnow Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 220-259 (30.8 - 36.2%)

    Usually Blissey will prefer the special bulk, as it will be used much more frequently. It's not a substantial enough difference to justify moving it to Blissey's Defense stat.
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    LO Latios already has a ~50% chance to 2HKO max HP / max Def+ Blissey with Psyshock and SR, so without the HP you only miss on walling LO Latias, which is not that hard to wall, so i guess it's ok. Unless there is a significant OHKO/2HKO that Blissey avoids with max HP, i agree with making max Def+ / max SpD the main spread.
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    The reason the spread is like it is is because it gives much larger Wishes for Pokemon without reliable recovery. Unless there are actual specific calculations where the suggested spread helps avoid an OHKO or 2HKO, then it is currently better.
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    This notion is ridiculous and needs to stop. You are not passing Wishes to a Pokemon with 10% or 15% health ever, and guess what, every single Pokemon that has 20-25% life or more gets fully healed by even 4 HP Blissey's Wish.
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    The sets are being split as per information on IRC. Just bear with it or hop on IRC yourself.
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    I feel that Blissey & Chansey should share an analysis due to how similar they are. Am I the only one who feels this way?
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    They are both completely different Pokemon and as such, are getting different analyses.
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    Yeah. We never do one analysis for two different Pokemon.
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    Alright, this is written up and ready for its third QC check.
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    Nicely written!

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    Thank you! GP Ready now :)
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    Any reason the two sets have different EV spreads? And no, Wish passing is not a legitimate reason, as Blissey has big enough HP even without EVs to always fully heal any Pokemon that would be able to switch in to receive the Wish anyway.
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    The first set's spread gives it better overall special bulk, marginally, but it makes it more effective as a special wall. Meanwhile, the second set is more focused towards wishing other pokemon, so it needs more physical protection to switch in.
    If you have examples that are more efficient I'm more than willing to change the spread.
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    I just don't get how ''Meanwhile, the second set is more focused towards wishing other pokemon, so it needs more physical protection to switch in.'' is a real reason for max HP. With Wish or not, Blissey is aiming to check / wall the same stuff. The difference is that on the first set your way of supporting the team is Aromatherapy while on the second set it is Wish. So if there is no other reason, both sets should have the same spread, which is 4 HP / 252 Def+ / 252 SpD.
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    Yeah, I've been talking on IRC about it too. They will both have that spread then, I will edit it in soon, but I need to mention that the current spread is an option to survive 2 Psyshocks from Mega Gardevoir.
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    Overview
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    While it faces heavy competition this generation with the influx of other viable special walls, Blissey still manages to establish its rightful place above the rest. It has the highest base HP in the game; when coupled with its large Special Defense it is near unbreakable on the special side. It also has access to a vast arsenal of support moves, including Wish, Heal Bell, Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave, and Toxic, which allow it to function as an excellent cleric. However, it still possesses an abysmal Defense stat, which despite Blissey's high HP, doesn't do it any favors. It also competes with a variety of new Pokemon for a spot on a team as a special wall; with the introduction of the Assault Vest item, Pokemon such as Goodra and Tyranitar are effective special sponges walls that can also function well offensively, while Pokemon such as Sylveon have a more advantageous typing. However, the Pokemon it faces the most competition of all with is its own sister Chansey, which possesses far superior bulk when equipped with an Eviolite. Nevertheless, Blissey can use Leftovers, (AC) which allows it to cope better with passive damage such as sand, entry hazards, and Leech Seed; it also has a usable Special Attack to catch many Pokemon with its own Flamethrower, Thunderbolt, or Ice Beam.

    Cleric
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    name: Cleric
    move 1: Soft-Boiled
    move 2: Heal Bell
    move 3: Toxic / Thunder Wave
    move 4: Seismic Toss
    ability: Natural Cure
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Bold
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD

    Moves
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    This set allows Blissey to function as a formidable special wall while simultaneously supporting the team with its clerical abilities. Soft-Boiled is the primary move as it is Blissey's most reliable way of recovering, and is essential for it to wall opponents. Heal Bell isn't aromatherapy better because it doesn't get blocked by soundproof? is used to cure its teammates of status, potentially allowing offensive Pokemon another chance to sweep, or enlarging a defensive Pokemon's lifespan by removing Toxic poison or burn. The third slot is dependent on what status effect you want Blissey to inflict; Toxic allows Blissey to gradually wear down special attackers, stalling them out, while Thunder Wave cripples Pokemon on the switch-in that Blissey can't deal with itself, especially fast physical sweepers such as Dragonite, Lucario, and Terrakion. Finally, Seismic Toss allows Blissey to break through opponents slowly but reliably, chipping away 100 HP each time. Stealth Rock can be used as another supporting option if your team does not have a Stealth Rock user, and Blissey has ample opportunities to set it up. However, one might find that they would rather Blissey have an offensive special move itself to deal with certain Pokemon; Flamethrower works for Forretress and Ferrothorn, (AC) which who could otherwise set up entry hazards on Blissey. (period) while It can also catch Scizor and physical Genesect sets on the switch-in.

    Set Details
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    This cleric set is the most effective on stall teams and primarily defensive balanced teams, though it can be used in any team in need of a cleric. The EV spread invests in both of its defenses rather than its HP, which makes it more effective as a special wall with a marginal difference in Defense. It also prevents the amount of health obtained by opponents that use draining moves or Leech Seed. Leftovers allows for passive recovery, something Chansey can not hope to have.

    Usage Tips
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    Being a special wall, Blissey can logically switch in to most special attackers quite easily and either inflict a status effect on them or wear them down with Seismic Toss. Bear in mind that Latios, Latias, and Keldeo, while being special attackers, have either of Psyshock and Secret Sword, which are special moves that instead use the opponent's Defense stat in damage calculation, which means that Blissey can not wall those Pokemon. Sometimes, it is critical to use Toxic immediately to wear setup sweepers attackers down; this is because if Blissey spends its time supporting, the foe could start setting up boosts which could potentially allow it to break through Blissey. Because special attackers are unlikely to stay in on Blissey, it is an excellent idea to use either Thunder Wave or Toxic to cripple the predicted physical switch-in. If there are no special attackers left for Blissey to wall, it is generally not needed any more on the team. It may might be beneficial to the team's momentum to sacrifice Blissey in a necessary situation.

    Team Options
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    Being weak to physical attacks, Blissey needs teammates to cover physical threats, mainly physical walls; this is especially relevant on stall teams which need Pokemon that can deal with almost all offensive threats. Skarmory forms the well-known "SkarmBliss" core with Blissey, with Skarmory being the physical wall of the duo. While not as effective as it used to be due to a larger amount of mixed attackers, it can still function very well with the right support. Hippowdon is a very solid physical wall; it can take on many physical attackers, phaze with Whirlwind, and support the team with the sandstorm it provides. Of course, there are many other physical walls that fit well into stall teams while also covering up Blissey's weakness to Fighting-type moves: Landorus-T, Gliscor, Slowbro, and RestTalk Gyarados are a few good examples. Blissey often has trouble with physical versions of Genesect, so a Genesect check such as Heatran or Mega Charizard X is apreciated. Other stall staples that support Blissey in some way include Grass-types such as Gourgiest-XL Super, Trevenant, Mega Venusaur, and Amoonguss, as they all check physical Fighting-types. Sableye can also check Fighting-types like Lucario, as well as other problematic Pokemon such as Reuniclus and Alakazam. Overall, Ghost-types are solid partners, (AC) being completely immune to Fighting-type attacks. Some common examples include the aforementioned Sableye, Trevenant, and Gourgiest-XL Super, as well as Aegislash and Gengar. For more balanced teams, Gengar, Talonflame, and Dragonite are good options for their ability to offensively check some threats to Blissey, (RC) while also appreciating cleric support.

    Wish Passer
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    name: Wish Passer
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Soft-Boiled / Protect
    move 3: Seismic Toss
    move 4: Toxic
    ability: Natural Cure
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Calm / Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    Moves
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    This set allows Blissey to support its teammates in a different way: by healing them with its gigantic Wishes. Indeed, through the rare event in Generation 3, Blissey can learn the move Wish, which allows it to heal almost any Pokemon fully due to Blissey's own high HP stat. The Wish itself is 357 HP, which is almost always enough to restore a teammate to its peak. The next slot can be somewhat varied depending on how you want to play. Soft-Boiled gives Blissey a reliable form of recovery immediately, and it also helps against boosting physical sweepers such as Lucario. However, Protect allows Blissey to guarantee itself to be the receiver of the Wish (except against Roar and Whirlwind), (RC) while also scouting moves and providing an extra turn of Leftovers recovery. Either of these moves are mandatory when using Wish, or Blissey can not reliably recover itself. Toxic and Seismic Toss are used to wear down the opponent; Toxic works better against defensive Pokemon while Seismic Toss is used for offensive Pokemon, as well as the Steel-types that are immune to Toxic, such a Heatran. Similar to the first set, Blissey can also run any number of its other plentiful wealth of support options. Thunder Wave can be used to cripple fast sweepers, (RC) while and Stealth Rock can be used if your team is in need of it. Flamethrower is an option to deal heavy damage to Ferrothorn and Forretress.

    Set Details
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    The EVs maximize both HP and Defense, which gives Blissey the ability to take some physical attacks. Because Blissey's Defense is so low, even very little investment will increase it a lot. The HP is also maximized in order for Blissey's Wishes to be larger. A Calm nature benefits Blissey even more in combating the special attackers it is supposed to wall, however but a Bold nature lets it take Psyshocks easier, especially from the likes of Mega Gardevoir. Like the first set, Leftovers is mandatory for passive healing.

    Usage Tips
    ========
    This set plays very similarly to the first set in terms of walling special attacks; it is important to remember that Blissey can't wall Keldeo, Latios, and Latias. Toxic is very detrimental to nearly all Pokemon, so if you predict a switch-in from a foe, using Toxic is a great choice. If the opponent is a Steel-type, then Seismic Toss would be the preferred option. Wish support can often be very predictable if an important teammate is at a low level of health, so the opponent can easily switch in a check to that Pokemon. Try to predict this and switch in your own check, who which could also appreciate the Wish just as much as your other teammate would. Finally, bear in mind that Roar and Whirlwind now hit through Protect, so Blissey is not always guaranteed to receive its Wish against Pokemon that can learn one of these moves.

    Team Options
    ========
    Again, physical walls work an effective core with Blissey. Skarmory, Hippowdon, and Gliscor are common examples that can all support Blissey in some way. A way to cover Blissey's Fighting-type weakness is recommended: Landorus-T, Slowbro, Trevenant, Mega Venusaur, and Sableye can all switch into these attacks with impunity, while and other Ghost-types such as Aegislash and Gengar can do the same while also threatening these Pokemon offensively. A Rapid Spinner is helpful for this set as it switches in to battle frequently to heal other Pokemon with Wish. However, because Blissey is often used on stall or balanced teams, a Defog user is not recommended, as it will remove entry hazards set by Blissey's own teammates. Viable Rapid Spinners that can fit well on bulkier teams include Forretress and Excadrill. Ferrothorn also makes a good partner due to its ability to check physical Dragon-types, as well as set up its own entry hazards. Finally, a check for Keldeo, Latias, and Latios is appreciated, as they can both all break through Blissey with either of Psyshock or Secret Sword, (RC) or set up in its face with Substitute and Calm Mind. (AP) and Latias and Latios can even Defog away the entry hazards which that stall teams need. Pursuit trappers can easily deal with Latias and Latios; Tyranitar, Aegislash, and Mega Scizor can all use Pursuit, as well as and all fit reasonably well on balanced teams. Celebi can deal with Keldeo fairly easily.

    Other Options
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    Blissey actually has quite a wide special movepool to work with. Fire Blast is an alternative to Flamethrower with much higher power, but the low accuracy makes it problematic for a defensive Pokemon. Ice Beam can surprise Gliscor and Landorus-T, but it offers little else outside of these two threats, so it is generally better to have a teammate who that can deal with these Pokemon. Thunderbolt is similar to Ice Beam in the fact that it can surprise Gyarados and Talonflame, but it really doesn't do much else. Skill Swap is a niche option which allows Blissey to combat Gliscor and Reuniclus by swapping their abilities, but really doesn't have much other use. Blissey can also set up Gravity on teams built to utilize that, as well as use Calm Mind to give it a more offensive touch. It is outclassed by almost every other Calm Mind sweeper though due to the fact that it lacks a lot of power, though, so it is easily walled.

    Checks & Counters
    ########
    **Gliscor**: Gliscor completely counters Blissey bar the incredibly rare Ice Beam or Skill Swap. It is immune to Toxic and Thunder Wave, (RC) and takes very little from Seismic Toss and Flamethrower. Gliscor can stall Blissey out, (RC) or just outright attack it with Earthquake.

    **Magic Guard Attackers**: Calm Mind Clefable and Reuniclus with Magic Guard cannot be worn down from Toxic, they can Recover lost health reliably, and they can boost their Special Attack with Calm Mind until it gets to the point where they can KO Blissey.

    **Offensive Steel-types**: Aegislash and Mawile work similarly to defeat Blissey, as they are both immune to Toxic, don't mind paralysis due to their already low Speed, and can set up on Blissey and attack her it with their physical moves. Excadrill is immune to Toxic and paralysis and can set up on Blissey while threatening it with a powerful Iron Head or Earthquake, while physical versions of Mega Lucario can hit it hard with Close Combat. Bear in mind that Mega Lucario is crippled by Thunder Wave.

    **Bulky Steel-types**: For sets without Flamethrower, Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Skarmory can switch in easily and set up Spikes on Blissey. Genesect and Scizor can switch in on non-Flamethrower sets, while and Scizor can set up and hit with a powerful Superpower and physical Genesect can hit had with a Download-boosted U-turn. For sets that do run Flamethrower and instead don't run instead of Seismic Toss, Heatran is a big issue they can be walled by Heatran. All of these Pokemon are also unaffected by Toxic.

    **Physical Attackers**: Physical attackers that can switch in safely can easily beat Blissey. Strong Fighting-types such as Conkeldurr, Terrakion, Infernape, and Breloom can swiftly finish Blissey with their strong STAB attacks. Most strong Choice Band users such as Genesect and Tyranitar can also fulfill a similar role, as well as simply strong physical attackers without a Fighting-type STAB, such as Azumarill, Crawdaunt, Diggersby, and Kyurem-B. Finally, setup sweepers such as Garchomp and Dragonite can force her it out.

    **Psyshock and Secret Sword**: Psyshock and Secret Sword users, while being special attackers, can break through Blissey with relative ease. Alakazam and Latios and cut through her it with Psyshock, while Keldeo can 2HKO with Secret Sword.

    **Taunt and Trick**: Taunt users such as Jellicent and Sableye can stall Blissey out, while Pokemon that can Trick a Choice item onto it such as Rotom-W, Gothitelle, and Noivern effectively render it useless as a wall.

    **Trapping**: Pursuit users such as Tyranitar, Bisharp, and Scizor, as well as trappers such as Dugtrio and Gothitelle, can trap and dispose of a weakened Blissey before it even has a chance to move.

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    Implemented, thanks!

    Heal Bell has affected Pokemon with Soundproof since Gen V, so it is fine.
    I personally hate Gourgiest-XL and I think the naming should be G-Small, G, G-H and G-Super, with G-A used to denote all like Rotom-A. Nevertheless, I have changed it.
    afaik, it can be used even in single-gender situations as long as it is consistent throughout the whole analysis, and seeing as you only changed "it" to "her" for some instances, I believe it is fine.
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    We decided on XL, though nobody has any good ideas on how to abbreviate that awful thing. Also, "it" is fine, and "her" can be used, as well, but not both. I believe I only changed her to it, as I saw more use of the latter throughout.
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    Ah, that would've been from me c/ping part of PB's Skeleton. Speaking of c/p, to the next GP checker, I will be on my tablet for a while while I move house, so a copypastable would be immensely appreciated. I will still look through the changes anyway. Thanks :)
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    Overview
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    While it faces heavy competition this generation with other viable special walls, Blissey still manages to establish its rightful place above the rest. It has the highest base HP in the game; when coupled with its large Special Defense it is near unbreakable on the special side. It also has access to a vast arsenal of support moves, including Wish, Heal Bell, Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave, and Toxic, which allow it to function as an excellent cleric. However, it still possesses an abysmal Defense stat, which despite Blissey's high HP, doesn't do it any favors. It also competes with a variety of new Pokemon for a spot on a team as a special wall; with the introduction of the Assault Vest item, Pokemon such as Goodra and Tyranitar are effective special sponges that can also function well offensively, while Pokemon such as Sylveon have a more advantageous typing. However, the Pokemon it faces the most competition of all with is its own sister Chansey, which possesses far superior bulk when equipped with an Eviolite. Nevertheless, Blissey can use Leftovers, which allows it to cope better with passive damage such as sand, entry hazards, and Leech Seed; it also has a usable Special Attack to catch many Pokemon off-guard with its own Flamethrower, Thunderbolt, or Ice Beam.

    Cleric
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    name: Cleric
    move 1: Soft-Boiled
    move 2: Heal Bell
    move 3: Toxic / Thunder Wave
    move 4: Seismic Toss
    ability: Natural Cure
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Bold
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD

    Moves
    ========
    This set allows Blissey to function as a formidable special wall while simultaneously supporting the team with its clerical abilities. Soft-Boiled is the primary move as it is Blissey's most reliable way means of recovering recovery (Eh, using "recovering" there sounds kinda incomplete), and it is essential for it to wall opponents effectively. Heal Bell is used to cure its teammates of status, potentially allowing offensive Pokemon another chance to sweep, or enlarging a defensive Pokemon's lifespan by removing Toxic or burn. The third slot is dependent on what status effect you want Blissey to inflict; Toxic allows Blissey to gradually wear down special attackers, stalling them out, while Thunder Wave cripples Pokemon on the switch-in switch that Blissey can't deal with itself, especially fast physical sweepers such as Dragonite, Lucario, and Terrakion. Finally, Seismic Toss allows Blissey to break through opponents slowly but reliably, chipping away 100 HP with each time use. Stealth Rock can be used as another supporting option if your team does not have a Stealth Rock user, and Blissey has ample opportunities to set it up. However, one might find that they would rather Blissey have an a more offensive move to deal with certain Pokemon; for example, Flamethrower works for hits Forretress and Ferrothorn, which could otherwise set up entry hazards on Blissey. It can also catch Scizor and physical Genesect sets on the switch.

    Set Details
    ========
    This cleric set is the most effective on stall teams and primarily defensive balanced teams, though it can be used in on any team in need of a cleric. The EV spread invests EVs are invested in both of its defenses rather than its HP, which makes it more effective as a special wall with a marginal difference in Defense. It also prevents limits the amount of health obtained gained by opponents that use draining moves or using Leech Seed (draining moves will deal the same amount of damage regardless of HP, unless it's an OHKO, but at that point it won't matter much). Leftovers allows for passive recovery, something that Chansey can not cannot even hope to have.

    Usage Tips
    ========
    Being a special wall, Blissey can logically switch in to most special attackers quite easily and either inflict a status effect on them or wear them down with Seismic Toss. Bear in mind that Latios, Latias, and Keldeo, while special attackers, have either of Psyshock and or Secret Sword, which are special moves that instead use the opponent's Defense stat in damage calculation, which means meaning that Blissey can not wall those Pokemon. Sometimes, it is critical to use Toxic immediately to wear down setup sweepers, as down; this is because if Blissey spends its time supporting, the foe could start setting up boosts which could potentially allow it to break through Blissey. Because special attackers are unlikely to stay in on Blissey, it is an excellent idea to use either Thunder Wave or Toxic to cripple the predicted physical switch-in. If there are no special attackers left for Blissey to wall, it is generally not needed any more on the team. It might be beneficial to the team's momentum to sacrifice Blissey in a necessary situation.

    Team Options
    ========
    Being weak to physical attacks, Blissey needs teammates to cover physical physically attacking threats, mainly most often physical walls (it sounded like Blissey needed teammates to cover physical walls, hopefully these changes made it a bit clearer); this is especially relevant on stall teams, which need Pokemon that can deal with almost all offensive threats. Skarmory forms the well-known "SkarmBliss" core with Blissey, with Skarmory being the physical wall of the duo. While not as effective as it used to be due to a larger amount of mixed attackers, it can still function very well with the right support. Hippowdon is a very solid physical wall; it can take on many physical attackers, phaze opponents with Whirlwind, and support the team with the sandstorm it provides. Of course, there are many other physical walls that fit well into on stall teams while also covering up Blissey's weakness to Fighting-type moves: Landorus-T, Gliscor, Slowbro, and RestTalk Gyarados are a few good examples. Blissey often has trouble with physical versions of Genesect, so a Genesect check such as Heatran or Mega Charizard X is apreciated appreciated. Other stall staples that can support Blissey in some way include Grass-types such as Gourgeist-XL, Trevenant, Mega Venusaur, and Amoonguss, as they can all check physical Fighting-types. Sableye can also check Fighting-types like Lucario, as well as other problematic Pokemon such as Reuniclus and Alakazam. Overall, Ghost-types are also solid partners, being as they are completely immune to Fighting-type attacks. Some common examples include the aforementioned Sableye, Trevenant, and Gourgeist-XL, as well as Aegislash and Gengar. For more balanced teams, Gengar, Talonflame, and Dragonite are good options for their ability to offensively check some threats to Blissey while also appreciating cleric support.

    Wish Passer
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    name: Wish Passer
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Soft-Boiled / Protect
    move 3: Seismic Toss
    move 4: Toxic
    ability: Natural Cure
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Bold
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD

    Moves
    ========
    This set allows Blissey to support its teammates in a different way: by healing them with its gigantic Wishes. Indeed, through the rare event in Generation 3, Blissey can learn the move Wish, which allows it to fully heal almost any Pokemon fully due thanks to Blissey's own high massive HP stat. The Wish itself is 357 HP, which is almost always enough to restore a teammate to its peak. The next slot can be somewhat varied depending on how you want to play. Soft-Boiled gives Blissey a reliable form of recovery immediately, and it also helps against boosting physical sweepers such as Lucario. However, Protect allows Blissey to guarantee itself to be the receiver of the Wish (except against Roar and Whirlwind) while also scouting the opponent's moves and providing itself with an extra turn of Leftovers recovery. Either of these moves are mandatory when using Wish, or Blissey can not reliably recover heal itself. Toxic and Seismic Toss are used to wear down the opponent; Toxic works better against defensive Pokemon while Seismic Toss is used for offensive Pokemon, as well as the Steel-types Steel- and Poison-types (might as well be more complete) that are immune to Toxic, such a Heatran. Similar to the first set, Blissey can also run any number of its plentiful wealth of support options. Thunder Wave can be used to cripple fast sweepers and Stealth Rock can be used if your team is in need of it. Flamethrower is an another option to deal heavy damage to Ferrothorn and Forretress.

    Set Details
    ========
    The EVs maximize both Defense and Special Defense, which allows Blissey to take on special setup sweepers such as Manaphy and Volcarona, while a Bold nature helps mitigate its terrible Defense stat. However, a spread of 252 HP / 252 Def with a Bold nature allows Blissey to survive two Psyshocks from a Mega Gardevoir. Like the first set, Leftovers is mandatory for the passive healing.

    Usage Tips
    ========
    This set plays very similarly to the first set in terms of walling special attacks; it is important to remember that Blissey can't wall Keldeo, Latios, and or Latias. Toxic is very detrimental to nearly all Pokemon, so if you predict a switch-in from a foe, using Toxic is a great choice. If the opponent is a Steel-type Steel- or Poison-type, then Seismic Toss would be the preferred option. Wish support can often be very predictable if an important teammate is at a low level of health, so the opponent can easily switch in a check to that Pokemon. Try to predict this and switch in your own check, which could appreciate the Wish just as much as your other teammate would. Finally, bear in mind that Roar and Whirlwind now hit through Protect, so Blissey is not always guaranteed to receive its own Wish against Pokemon that can learn one of these moves.

    Team Options
    ========
    Again, physical walls work make an effective defensive core with Blissey. Skarmory, Hippowdon, and Gliscor are common examples that can all support Blissey in some way. A way to teammate that can cover Blissey's Fighting-type weakness is recommended:; Landorus-T, Slowbro, Trevenant, Mega Venusaur, and Sableye can all switch into these attacks with impunity, and other Ghost-types such as Aegislash and Gengar can do the same while also threatening these Pokemon opponents offensively. A Rapid Spinner is helpful for this set as it switches in to battle frequently in order to heal other Pokemon teammates with Wish. However, because Blissey is often used on stall or balanced teams, a Defog user is not recommended, as it will remove any entry hazards set by Blissey's own teammates. Viable Rapid Spinners that can fit well on bulkier teams include Forretress and Excadrill. Ferrothorn also makes a good partner due to its ability to check physical Dragon-types, as well as and set up its own entry hazards. Finally, a check for Keldeo, Latias, and Latios is appreciated, as they can all break through Blissey with either of Psyshock or Secret Sword, or set up in its face with Substitute and Calm Mind. Latias and Latios can even Defog away the entry hazards that stall teams need. Pursuit trappers can easily deal with Latias and Latios; Tyranitar, Aegislash, and Mega Scizor can all use Pursuit, and all fit reasonably well on balanced teams. Celebi can deal with Keldeo fairly easily.

    Other Options
    ########
    Blissey actually has quite a wide special movepool to work with. Fire Blast is an alternative to Flamethrower with for much higher power, but the low accuracy makes it problematic for a defensive Pokemon to use. Ice Beam can surprise Gliscor and Landorus-T, but it offers little else outside of these two threats, so it is generally better to have a teammate that can deal with these Pokemon. Thunderbolt is similar to Ice Beam in the fact that it can surprise Gyarados and Talonflame, but it really doesn't do much else. Skill Swap is a niche option which allows Blissey to combat Gliscor and Reuniclus by swapping their abilities, but it really doesn't have much other use. Blissey can also set up Gravity on teams built to utilize that it, as well as use Calm Mind to give it a more offensive touch. It However, it is outclassed by almost every other Calm Mind sweeper due to the fact that it lacks a lot of power though, so it and is very easily walled.

    Checks & Counters
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    **Gliscor**: Gliscor completely counters Blissey bar the incredibly rare Ice Beam or Skill Swap. It is immune to Toxic and Thunder Wave and takes very little damage from Seismic Toss and or Flamethrower. Gliscor can stall Blissey out or just outright attack it with Earthquake.

    **Magic Guard Attackers**: Calm Mind Clefable and Reuniclus with Magic Guard cannot be worn down from are immune to Toxic, can have Recover to lost health reliably heal (just a bunch of parallel structure edits), and can boost their Special Attack with Calm Mind until they can KO Blissey.

    **Offensive Steel-types**: Aegislash and Mawile work similarly to defeat Blissey, as they are both immune to Toxic, don't mind paralysis due to their already low Speed and access to priority, and can set up on Blissey and attack hit it with their physical moves attacks (yes the last two changes are unnecessary but I think it sounds better). Excadrill is immune to Toxic and paralysis Thunder Wave and can set up on Blissey while threatening it with a powerful Iron Head or Earthquake. Physical variants, while physical versions of Mega Lucario can hit it hard with Close Combat, but bear. Bear in mind that Mega Lucario is crippled by Thunder Wave.

    **Bulky Steel-types**: For sets without Flamethrower, Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Skarmory can easily switch in easily and set up Spikes on Blissey. Genesect and Scizor can also switch in on non-Flamethrower sets that lack Flamethrower, and with Scizor can being able to set up and hit with a powerful Superpower, while physical Genesect can hit hard with a Download-boosted U-turn. For sets that do run Flamethrower instead of Seismic Toss, Heatran is a big issue. All of these Pokemon are also unaffected by Toxic.

    **Physical Attackers**: Physical attackers that can switch in safely can easily beat Blissey. Strong Fighting-types such as Conkeldurr, Terrakion, Infernape, and Breloom can swiftly finish Blissey with their strong STAB attacks. Most strong Choice Band users such as Genesect and Tyranitar can also fulfill a similar role, as well as simply strong physical attackers without a Fighting-type STAB, such as Azumarill, Crawdaunt, Diggersby, and Kyurem-B. Finally, setup sweepers such as Garchomp and Dragonite can force it out.

    **Psyshock and Secret Sword** Despite being special attackers, users of Psyshock and Secret Sword users, while special attackers, can break through Blissey with relative ease. Alakazam and Latios and cut through it with Psyshock, while Keldeo can 2HKO with Secret Sword.

    **Taunt and Trick** Taunt users such as Jellicent and Sableye can stall Blissey out, while Pokemon that can Trick a Choice item onto it such as Rotom-W, Gothitelle, and Noivern effectively render it useless as a wall well (yeah I know this isn't a spelling error, but it also sounds better).

    **Trapping** Pursuit users such as Tyranitar, Bisharp, and Scizor, as well as trappers such as Dugtrio and Gothitelle, can trap and dispose of a weakened Blissey before it even has a chance to move.
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    Overview
    ########
    While it faces heavy competition this generation with other viable special walls, Blissey still manages to establish its rightful place above the rest. It has the highest base HP in the game; when coupled with its large Special Defense it is near unbreakable on the special side. It also has access to a vast arsenal of support moves, including Wish, Heal Bell, Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave, and Toxic, which allow it to function as an excellent cleric. However, it still possesses an abysmal Defense stat, which despite Blissey's high HP, doesn't do it any favors. It also competes with a variety of new Pokemon for a spot on a team as a special wall; with the introduction of the Assault Vest item, Pokemon such as Goodra and Tyranitar are effective special sponges that can also function well offensively, while Pokemon such as Sylveon have a more advantageous typing. However, the Pokemon it faces the most competition of all with is its own sister Chansey, which possesses far superior bulk when equipped with an Eviolite. Nevertheless, Blissey can use Leftovers, which allows it to cope better with passive damage such as sand, entry hazards, and Leech Seed; it also has a usable Special Attack to catch many Pokemon off-guard with Flamethrower, Thunderbolt, or Ice Beam.

    Cleric
    ########
    name: Cleric
    move 1: Soft-Boiled
    move 2: Heal Bell
    move 3: Toxic / Thunder Wave
    move 4: Seismic Toss
    ability: Natural Cure
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Bold
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD

    Moves
    ========
    This set allows Blissey to function as a formidable special wall while simultaneously supporting the team with its clerical abilities. Soft-Boiled is the primary move as it is Blissey's most reliable means of recovery, and it is essential for it to wall opponents effectively. Heal Bell is used to cure its teammates of status, potentially allowing offensive Pokemon another chance to sweep, or enlarging a defensive Pokemon's lifespan by removing Toxic or burn. The third slot is dependent on what status effect you want Blissey to inflict; Toxic allows Blissey to gradually wear down special attackers, stalling them out, while Thunder Wave cripples Pokemon on the switch that Blissey can't deal with itself, especially fast physical sweepers such as Dragonite, Lucario, and Terrakion. Finally, Seismic Toss allows Blissey to break through opponents slowly but reliably, chipping away 100 HP with each use. Stealth Rock can be used as another supporting option if your team does not have a Stealth Rock user, and Blissey has ample opportunities to set it up. However, one might find that they would rather Blissey have a more offensive move to deal with certain Pokemon; for example, Flamethrower hits Forretress and Ferrothorn, which could otherwise set up entry hazards on Blissey. It can also catch Scizor and physical Genesect sets on the switch.

    Set Details
    ========
    This cleric set is most effective on stall teams and primarily defensive balanced teams, though it can be used on any team in need of a cleric. The EVs are invested in both of its defenses rather than its HP, which makes it more effective as a special wall with a marginal difference in Defense. It also limits the amount of health gained by opponents using Leech Seed. Leftovers allows for passive recovery, something that Chansey cannot even hope to have.

    Usage Tips
    ========
    Being a special wall, Blissey can switch in to most special attackers quite easily and either inflict a status effect on them or wear them down with Seismic Toss. Bear in mind that Latios, Latias, and Keldeo, while special attackers, have either Psyshock or Secret Sword, which are special moves that use the opponent's Defense stat in damage calculation, meaning that Blissey can not wall those Pokemon. Sometimes, it is critical to use Toxic immediately to wear down setup sweepers, as if Blissey spends its time supporting, the foe could start setting up boosts which could potentially allow it to break through Blissey. Because special attackers are unlikely to stay in on Blissey, it is an excellent idea to use either Thunder Wave or Toxic to cripple the predicted physical switch-in. If there are no special attackers left for Blissey to wall, it is generally not needed any more on the team. It might be beneficial to the team's momentum to sacrifice Blissey in a necessary situation.

    Team Options
    ========
    Being weak to physical attacks, Blissey needs teammates to cover physically attacking threats, most often physical walls; this is especially relevant on stall teams, which need Pokemon that can deal with almost all offensive threats. Skarmory forms the well-known "SkarmBliss" core with Blissey, with Skarmory being the physical wall of the duo. While not as effective as it used to be due to a larger amount of mixed attackers, it can still function very well with the right support. Hippowdon is a very solid physical wall; it can take on many physical attackers, phaze opponents with Whirlwind, and support the team with the sandstorm it provides. Of course, there are many other physical walls that fit well on stall teams while also covering up Blissey's weakness to Fighting-type moves: Landorus-T, Gliscor, Slowbro, and RestTalk Gyarados are a few good examples. Blissey often has trouble with physical versions of Genesect, so a Genesect check such as Heatran or Mega Charizard X is appreciated. Other stall staples that can support Blissey in some way include Grass-types such as Gourgeist-XL, Trevenant, Mega Venusaur, and Amoonguss, as they can all check physical Fighting-types. Sableye can also check Fighting-types like Lucario, as well as other problematic Pokemon such as Reuniclus and Alakazam. Ghost-types are also solid partners, as they are completely immune to Fighting-type attacks. Some common examples include the aforementioned Sableye, Trevenant, and Gourgeist-XL, as well as Aegislash and Gengar. For more balanced teams, Gengar, Talonflame, and Dragonite are good options for their ability to offensively check some threats to Blissey while also appreciating cleric support.

    Wish Passer
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    name: Wish Passer
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Soft-Boiled / Protect
    move 3: Seismic Toss
    move 4: Toxic
    ability: Natural Cure
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Bold
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD

    Moves
    ========
    This set allows Blissey to support its teammates in a different way: by healing them with its gigantic Wishes. Indeed, through the rare event in Generation 3, Blissey can learn the move Wish, which allows it to fully heal almost any Pokemon thanks to Blissey's massive HP stat. The Wish itself is 357 HP, which is almost always enough to restore a teammate to its peak. The next slot can be somewhat varied depending on how you want to play. Soft-Boiled gives Blissey a reliable form of recovery immediately, and it also helps against boosting physical sweepers such as Lucario. However, Protect allows Blissey to guarantee itself to be the receiver of the Wish (except against Roar and Whirlwind) while also scouting the opponent's moves and providing itself with an extra turn of Leftovers recovery. Either of these moves are mandatory when using Wish, or Blissey can not reliably heal itself. Toxic and Seismic Toss are used to wear down the opponent; Toxic works better against defensive Pokemon while Seismic Toss is used for offensive Pokemon, as well as the Steel- and Poison-types that are immune to Toxic. Similar to the first set, Blissey can also run any number of its plentiful wealth of support options. Thunder Wave can be used to cripple fast sweepers and Stealth Rock can be used if your team is in need of it. Flamethrower is another option to deal heavy damage to Ferrothorn and Forretress.

    Set Details
    ========
    The EVs maximize both Defense and Special Defense, which allows Blissey to take on special setup sweepers such as Manaphy and Volcarona, while a Bold nature helps mitigate its terrible Defense stat. However, a spread of 252 HP / 252 Def with a Bold nature allows Blissey to survive two Psyshocks from Mega Gardevoir. Like the first set, Leftovers is mandatory for the passive healing.

    Usage Tips
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    This set plays very similarly to the first set in terms of walling special attacks; it is important to remember that Blissey can't wall Keldeo, Latios, or Latias. Toxic is very detrimental to nearly all Pokemon, so if you predict a switch-in from a foe, using Toxic is a great choice. If the opponent is a Steel- or Poison-type, then Seismic Toss would be the preferred option. Wish support can often be very predictable if an important teammate is at a low level of health, so the opponent can easily switch in a check to that Pokemon. Try to predict this and switch in your own check, which could appreciate the Wish just as much as your other teammate would. Finally, bear in mind that Roar and Whirlwind now hit through Protect, so Blissey is not always guaranteed to receive its own Wish against Pokemon that can learn these moves.

    Team Options
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    Again, physical walls make an effective defensive core with Blissey. Skarmory, Hippowdon, and Gliscor are common examples that can all support Blissey in some way. A teammate that can cover Blissey's Fighting-type weakness is recommended; Landorus-T, Slowbro, Trevenant, Mega Venusaur, and Sableye can all switch into these attacks with impunity, and other Ghost-types such as Aegislash and Gengar can do the same while also threatening these opponents offensively. A Rapid Spinner is helpful for this set as it switches in to battle frequently in order to heal teammates with Wish. However, because Blissey is often used on stall or balanced teams, a Defog user is not recommended, as it will remove any entry hazards set by Blissey's own teammates. Viable Rapid Spinners that can fit well on bulkier teams include Forretress and Excadrill. Ferrothorn also makes a good partner due to its ability to check physical Dragon-types and set up its own entry hazards. Finally, a check for Keldeo, Latias, and Latios is appreciated, as they can all break through Blissey with either of Psyshock or Secret Sword, or set up in its face with Substitute and Calm Mind. Latias and Latios can even Defog away the entry hazards that stall teams need. Pursuit trappers can easily deal with Latias and Latios; Tyranitar, Aegislash, and Mega Scizor can all use Pursuit, and all fit reasonably well on balanced teams. Celebi can deal with Keldeo fairly easily.

    Other Options
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    Blissey actually has quite a wide special movepool to work with. Fire Blast is an alternative to Flamethrower for much higher power, but the low accuracy makes it problematic for a defensive Pokemon to use. Ice Beam can surprise Gliscor and Landorus-T, but it offers little else outside of these two threats, so it is generally better to have a teammate that can deal with these Pokemon. Thunderbolt is similar to Ice Beam in the fact that it can surprise Gyarados and Talonflame, but it really doesn't do much else. Skill Swap is a niche option which allows Blissey to combat Gliscor and Reuniclus by swapping their abilities, but it really doesn't have much other use. Blissey can also set up Gravity on teams built to utilize it, as well as use Calm Mind to give it a more offensive touch. However, it is outclassed by almost every other Calm Mind sweeper due to the fact that it lacks a lot of power and is very easily walled.

    Checks & Counters
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    **Gliscor**: Gliscor completely counters Blissey bar the incredibly rare Ice Beam or Skill Swap. It is immune to Toxic and Thunder Wave and takes very little damage from Seismic Toss or Flamethrower. Gliscor can stall Blissey out or just outright attack it with Earthquake.

    **Magic Guard Attackers**: Calm Mind Clefable and Reuniclus with Magic Guard are immune to Toxic, have Recover to reliably heal, and can boost their Special Attack with Calm Mind until they can KO Blissey.

    **Offensive Steel-types**: Aegislash and Mawile work similarly to defeat Blissey, as they are both immune to Toxic, don't mind paralysis due to their already low Speed and access to priority, and can set up on Blissey and hit it with their physical attacks. Excadrill is immune to Toxic and Thunder Wave and can set up on Blissey while threatening it with a powerful Iron Head or Earthquake. Physical variants of Mega Lucario can hit it hard with Close Combat, but bear in mind that Mega Lucario is crippled by Thunder Wave.

    **Bulky Steel-types**: For sets without Flamethrower, Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Skarmory can easily switch in and set up Spikes on Blissey. Genesect and Scizor can also switch in on sets that lack Flamethrower, with Scizor being able to set up and hit with a powerful Superpower, while physical Genesect can hit hard with a Download-boosted U-turn. For sets that do run Flamethrower instead of Seismic Toss, Heatran is a big issue. All of these Pokemon are also unaffected by Toxic.

    **Physical Attackers**: Physical attackers that can switch in safely can easily beat Blissey. Strong Fighting-types such as Conkeldurr, Terrakion, Infernape, and Breloom can swiftly finish Blissey with their strong STAB attacks. Most strong Choice Band users such as Genesect and Tyranitar can also fulfill a similar role, as well as simply strong physical attackers without a Fighting-type STAB, such as Azumarill, Crawdaunt, Diggersby, and Kyurem-B. Finally, setup sweepers such as Garchomp and Dragonite can force it out.

    **Psyshock and Secret Sword** Despite being special attackers, users of Psyshock and Secret Sword can break through Blissey with relative ease. Alakazam and Latios and cut through it with Psyshock, while Keldeo can 2HKO with Secret Sword.

    **Taunt and Trick** Taunt users such as Jellicent and Sableye can stall Blissey out, while Pokemon that can Trick a Choice item onto it such as Rotom-W, Gothitelle, and Noivern effectively render it useless as well.

    **Trapping** Pursuit users such as Tyranitar, Bisharp, and Scizor, as well as trappers such as Dugtrio and Gothitelle, can trap and dispose of a weakened Blissey before it even has a chance to move.
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    Last edited: Feb 7, 2014
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