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Braviary (Update) (GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Worldtour, Jul 19, 2013.

  1. Worldtour

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    [Overview]

    <p>One of the most dangerous offensive threats in NU, Braviary is a force to be reckoned with. Along with its powerful moves and high Attack, it packs a surprising amount of versatility; for instance, its Bulk Up set gives bulkier teams problems while its Choice Band set makes for a dangerous wallbreaker. Also, unlike other Pokemon of its typing, Braviary has good bulk and coverage moves, with Superpower doing major damage to Pokemon that could otherwise withstand its STAB moves. Braviary's biggest downfall is its Speed stat&mdash;while it's not exactly slow, it is slower than most other offensive threats in the tier.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Substitute + Bulk Up
    move 1: Bulk Up
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Substitute
    move 4: Brave Bird
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Defiant
    nature: Careful
    evs: 252 HP / 192 SpD / 64 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is arguably Braviary's most dangerous set&mdash;with a combination of a good bulk, access to reliable recovery, and a reliable, strong STAB move, it makes for a dangerous Bulk Up user. Not only can this variant of Braviary easily deal with defensive teams thanks to the aforementioned traits, but it can also set up on Pokemon that could otherwise deal with its other sets. For example, Braviary can set up a Substitute on Rock-types that rely on Stone Edge, such as Regirock or Carracosta, when they switch in, then use a combination of that and Roost until they run out of PP for Stone Edge, and then start setting up Bulk Ups as they are unable to damage it with a super effective attack.</p>

    <p>Bulk Up is the main move on this set, patching up Braviary's uninvested Defense to cushion attacks from Rock-types in particular and making its already impressive Attack higher. Roost allows Braviary to keep itself healthy, as it tends to get worn down from a combination of Substitute, Brave Bird recoil, and repeated attacks from the opposition. Substitute allows Braviary to get in additional boosts and avoid status moves. Many weaker Pokemon, such as Tangela, Alomomola, Roselia, and defensive Seismitoad, will find themselves unable to break past Braviary's Substitutes in one hit, which means that Braviary can set up an additional Bulk Up and keep its Substitute intact for the next Pokemon. Brave Bird is the best option for the STAB move, as even though it causes recoil, nothing is immune to Brave Bird, making it more optimal for a mono-attacker than a Normal STAB move. Even without any boosts, it still does quite a bit of damage to any Pokemon that doesn't resist it.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EVs allow Braviary to outspeed Adamant Torterra and everything slower, with the remaining EVs being thrown into HP and Special Defense. Maximum HP allows Braviary to make 101 HP substitutes, and even though users of Seismic Toss are rare, being able to set up on them is always nice. Defiant is chosen as the ability&mdash;while it doesn't come in handy too often, it is the only ability that actually helps it out. Braviary could potentially run more Speed, but there isn't much that is worth catching up to without sacrificing Braviary's bulk. Leftovers should be used as the item, as it allows Braviary to receive passive recovery as it is setting up. Return could be used for the attacking option, as it causes no recoil damage and it hits Electric-types neutrally, but Ghost-types will then wall this set completely, with Misdreavus in particular no longer being set up fodder.</p>

    <p>This variant of Braviary is rather self-sufficient, but it finds it challenging to set up against Electric-types and can also be revenge killed by them. A bulky Ground-type such as Seismitoad, Piloswine, or Golurk therefore makes a good partner; they are also capable of taking down Bastiodon and Probopass, which can deal with Braviary with Roar and Power Gem, respectively. Toxic Spikes, and to an extent Spikes, support is very helpful for wearing down Rock-types quicker, as even though Braviary can potentially set up on them, they still pose a threat to Braviary. As a result, Pokemon that learn both moves, such as Garbodor and Scolipede, make good partners, and Braviary can switch into an Earthquake that might be targeted at the former. Finally, Pokemon, generally Normal-types, that struggle against Rock-types but have a means of wearing them down via coverage moves, such as Zangoose, Kangaskhan, or Tauros, appreciate the fact that Braviary can use them to set up on under the right circumstances, although note that Braviary cannot directly switch in in these situations.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: U-turn
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Defiant
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Equipped with a Choice Band, Braviary becomes one of the most powerful wallbreakers in the tier. To put it into perspective, with the correct move, Braviary is capable of 2HKOing at worst almost every Pokemon in the tier after Stealth Rock, an incredible feat, ensuring almost nothing is safe if Braviary can predict correctly. Brave Bird is the main STAB, easily destroying any Pokemon that does not resist it, and even though the recoil damage can be annoying when in conjunction with Braviary's Stealth Rock weakness, its good coverage makes it preferable to use in most cases. Return is a less powerful, alternative STAB move, but it does have the advantage of not causing recoil damage, making it more optimal to clean the opponent's team with if the need arises. It also hits Electric-types, notably Eelektross and Rotom-S (the latter resists every other move on this set), for neutral damage. Superpower is used in order to deter Rock- and Steel-types from switching into Braviary easily; this ensures that Regirock and the like won't be able to easily wall it as they risk a 2HKO. Finally, U-turn is good for keeping momentum and scouting for switch-ins while still hitting mildly hard.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Despite the fact that the given EVs are fairly straightforward, an alternative spread of 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe with an Adamant nature will get the jump on neutral-natured Samurott and Ludicolo while getting a bit of extra bulk. However, it is usually worth going in at maximum Speed in order to try to outspeed and OHKO opposing Braviary before they do the same back to it, as it can do that even with a Jolly nature. In the rare case Braviary receives a stat drop from an opponent's attack or ability, Defiant will make Braviary almost impossible to wall as a result. Sleep Talk is an interesting option for Braviary to act as sleep fodder to try and power through Grass-types such as Tangela even when it is statused, but unfortunately the most common sleeper is Jynx, which is a Pokemon that can outspeed and OHKO Braviary regardless. However, it's difficult to find a free moveslot for the move, however, as the listed moves are all useful in their own right.</p>

    <p>Although Braviary has Superpower to defeat Rock- and Steel-types, they still get a free switch into both of Braviary's STAB moves, meaning Braviary will usually have to predict their switch-in to defeat them. As a result, a good idea would be to partner up Braviary with a Fighting-type such as Sawk that can defeat them. Running Choice Band Sawk in particular means that you can have two incredibly powerful physical attackers that can provide a great deal of offensive pressure. Thanks to Mold Breaker, Sawk can OHKO most Stealth Rock setters as well, something which Braviary likes the absence of. Swellow makes an interesting partner. Similar to the double Dragon strategy in OU, teams may be hard-pressed to deal with two strong Normal / Flying Pokemon, as Braviary can break down their checks while Swellow can finish them off thanks to its high Speed. Finally, Spikes support is suggested in order to wear down walls that might try to survive onslaughts such as Regirock and Metang. Cacturne is an example, and with a Grass STAB it performs decently against Rock-types.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: U-turn
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Defiant
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Despite the fact that Braviary lacks the Speed of other Choice users common in the metagame, such as Primeape or Jynx, it makes up for it by being able to secure KOs much more easily thanks to its high-powered moves and a high Attack stat. In addition, while it will almost never outspeed another Pokemon with a Choice Scarf, it still at least outspeeds Swellow, the fastest common unboosted Pokemon in the tier, so it can still be reliable enough in most situations to revenge kill any unboosted threat. Brave Bird serves as the main STAB move, and even without any boosting item, it still hits hard enough to finish off, if not OHKO, frailer foes, while Return serves as an alternative STAB that doesn't have any recoil. Return is also better for cleaning up the opponent's team, as the lack of recoil ensures that a sweep won't be cut short in these situations. Superpower still hits Rock- and Steel-types for super effective damage, but be warned that, without an item like the Choice Band boosting its Attack, it won't hit bulkier Pokemon of this type very hard. Finally, U-turn is useful to gain momentum and scout, especially early-game, and Braviary's Speed will ensure that its U-turn will usually go first.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>An Adamant nature is preferred on Braviary, as the only Pokemon that it would get the jump on with a positive nature are Electrode, Butterfree at +1, and certain +2 foes. However, Jolly is usable if these, along with other neutral-natured Choice Scarf users that have a base 85 Speed, such as Sawk or Pinsir, are issues, but the power is usually more important. Defiant is once again chosen as the ability, as it is the only ability that will help Braviary, while making Intimidate users such as Tauros unreliable against it. Due to the typical defensive stats of what Superpower hits super effectively, it won't be doing very much damage to them, and even with that considered, Braviary will have to predict their switch-in to hit them, as they take very little damage from its STABs. As a result, a strong Fighting-or Ground-type, such as Sawk or Golurk, can dent them with their STABs and possibly provide offensive pressure to prevent Stealth Rock from going up. Speaking of Stealth Rock, because Braviary can keep momentum with U-turn and will often have to switch in because it is a revenge killer, its weakness to the move can be troubling. A spinner therefore makes a good partner, with Wartortle being a standout example due to it doing well against Rock-types due to its typing. Other Pokemon that can learn U-turn or Volt Switch can be paired up with Braviary in order to create a VoltTurn core. Primeape provides U-turn, and its Fighting STAB makes it able to dent Rock- and Steel-types pretty well.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>A Roost + 3 Attacks set with a Life Orb is an interesting option, considering it can allow Braviary to keep itself healthy and switch moves. However, Braviary's Speed issue makes it a bit hard to pull off a Roost despite its bulk. A similar set with an Expert Belt or Sharp Beak can bluff a Choice item if the need arises. Tailwind can patch up Braviary's Speed issue. In particular, a set of 56 HP / 248 Atk / 204 Spe with an Adamant nature with Tailwind, Bulk Up, Brave Bird, Roost, and a Sharp Beak can act as a mixture of other sets and helps against offensive and defensive teams. While this gives Braviary more versatility, it lowers its effectiveness against either offensive or defensive teams. Rock Slide alongside Sheer Force can act as a strong Rock move, but that is practically it, and it is generally unneeded. Heat Wave with the aforementioned ability, with enough Special Attack EVs and a Life Orb, can 2HKO Metang, which is quite possibly the only Pokemon that can wall Braviary. Crush Claw is interesting for a Normal STAB as it can provide Defense drops against the opponent, but Return has quite a bit more Base Power than it. Finally, Braviary's decent defensive stats, instant recovery, and other moves such as Whirlwind and Toxic can amount to a defensive set, but its defensive typing is not stellar.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Braviary can be tough to counter thanks to its Bulk Up set that can mess up typical counters. Metang is the closest that you can get to a counter, as with a bit of investment in Attack, it won't be set up on by Bulk Up Braviary, and its typing and high Defense allow it to take onslaughts and avoid getting 2HKOed by any of its moves. Rock Pokemon with Rock Blast, such as Golem, are generally safe bets against Braviary, only really fearing Choice Band-boosted Superpowers, and they can get through Braviary's Substitutes thanks to the move hitting multiple times. Probopass and Lairon, despite easily falling to a Superpower, are some of the best solutions against the Bulk Up set, as thanks to Power Gem and Roar they cannot be set up on at all, and they 4x resist both of Braviary's STABs. Other Rock-types, such as Carracosta and Regirock, are bulky enough, or in the case of Carracosta, have Solid Rock in order to survive a Superpower if they get hit by one, but with only Stone Edge they can have difficulty against Bulk Up sets. Alomomola can survive attacks thanks to its high Defense and can attempt to stall out Braviary with Wish. However, Alomomola is setup fodder for Bulk Up as a result of it being incapable of breaking Braviary's Substitutes even before Braviary begins boosting. Finally, if all else fails, Electrode is a somewhat reliable revenge killer, outspeeding even Adamant Choice Scarf Braviary without needing one of its own, and Jynx and Zebstrika can revenge kill any set while being capable of using a Choice Scarf of their own for the aforementioned set. Stealth Rock and Brave Bird recoil also wears Braviary down quite a bit over the match, especially Choice variants.</p>

    Skelly (open)

    [Overview]
    • Very powerful with strong moves
    • Surpsisingly versatile offensive threat - SubBU gives several while bulkier teams problems while CB is one of the hardest hitting wallbreakers in the tier.
    • Actually has coverage and bulk unlike other Normal/Flying types.
    • Slower than other major offensive threats, which doesn't help when its quite a bit below having a good speed stat.
    [SET]
    name: Substitute + Bulk Up
    move 1: Bulk Up
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Substitute
    move 4: Brave Bird
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Defiant
    nature: Careful
    evs: 252 HP / 192 SpD / 64 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Most notorious set - can set up against many Pokemon that could be able to beat it and wrecks stall like nothing
    • As an example, it can take Rock-types without Rock Blast, Sub on the switch and then Roost on them until Stone Edge runs out of PP.
    • Bulk Up is to make it easier to set up on these kinds of foes.
    • Nothing is immune Brave Bird so use it.
    • Roost so then it can stay alive and all.
    • A Sub allows it to get in additional boosts in because it a lot of Pokemon, such as Tangela, Alomomola, Roselia, and defensive Seismitoad. It also avoids status moves.
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Outspeeds Adamant Torterra and everything slower, dumps the rest into special defense and HP. There isn't really much else worth catching up to.
    • Return could be used for the STAB, but it offers much less coverage - Ghosts would then wall this rather than being potential set up fodder.
    • Rather Self Sufficient, but this set can find it a bit hard to set up Electric-types, although admittedly those aren't too common. As a result, a bulky ground such as Piloswine or Golurk are cool partner. These guys also help against Probopass and Lairon, who can still take on this set.
    • Toxic Spikes, and also to an extent Spikes, support is very useful for wearing down Rock-types quicker. Garbodor and Scolipede can learn both and Braviary can switch into Earthquakes that may target the former.
    • Stuff that has problems against Rock-types but can still wear them down, such as Zangoose, Kangaskhan, or Tauros, really likes the fact that Braviary uses them as set up fodder under the right circumstances, but be sure to not switch into Stone Edges because those hurt.
    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: U-turn
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Defiant
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • its strong, have fun switching into it
    • 2HKOs at worst almost everything in the metagame with the correct move
    • Brave Bird still packs plenty of power
    • Return still packs almost as much power and covers Electric-types
    • Superpower because of Rock-types and Steel-types although this time it will actually hurt them
    • U-turn is good for momentum
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe w/ Adamant could be used for more bulk while still outspeeding base 70s.
    • Sleep Talk may be interesting for Braviary to act as a sleep absorber to try and power through Tangela in particular even after getting statused, but these Pokemon aren't common enough + the most common sleeper is Jynx which Braviary dislikes.
    • Superpower is cool but it is still nice to get Rock- and Steel-types weakened or out of the way so then you can break through stuff with Brave Bird alone. Figthing-types such as Sawk can break through them - running CB Sawk means having 2 incredibly strong phyiscal attackers, which can be hard for opposing teams to deal with. Sawk also provides offensive pressure in order to try and prevent opposing Pokemon from setting up Stealth Rock, OHKOing many setters (something it likes not being there)
    • Swellow is an interesting partner - teams may be hard pressed to take on powerful strong Normal/Flying from two consequtive Pokemon, similar to the Double Dragon strategy in OU
    • Spikes further punishes walls that may try to survive attacks. Cacturne is an example, and with a Grass STAB it does decent against Rock-types as well.
    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: U-turn
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Defiant
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • While it isn't that fastest Choice Scarf user out there, it makes up for it with raw power.
    • Although it can't revenge kill, say, weather sweepers and other Choice Scarf users, it still gets the jump on Swellow, the fastest common Pokemon in NU.
    • Brave Bird packs plenty of power
    • Return packs almost as much power and covers Electric types
    • Superpower because of Rock-types and Steel-types
    • U-turn is good for momentum and scouting
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Adamant is used because Jolly doesn't get the jump on anything else that is noteworthy. Jolly can be used if you fear Electrode or neutral base 80 or 85 scarfers but those are somewhat uncommon.
    • Scarfed Superpower still doesn't really do much to Rocks and Steels admittedly and you have to predict to do that anyway. A bulky Ground-type such as Golurk can make for a good way to take them down and switch into their attacks.
    • Because Braviary can keep momentum with U-turn and will often have to revenge kill, it might be worth investing in a Rapid Spinner because its weak to Stealth Rock and attracts Stealth Rock setters. Wartortle does pretty well against Rock-types thanks to Scald.
    • Other U-turners/Volt Switchers may be cool too. Primeape in particular can help out against Rock and Steel-types.
    The Life Orb set (open)

    [SET]
    name: Life Orb
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: Roost
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Defiant
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • standard 3 attacks + recovery Pokemon
    • it is a decent set but note that the fact it isn't too fast real shows here. However, it does well against more defensive teams by not letting itself get worn down as quickly as other sets (other than SubBU) if you desire a more immediate approach.
    • Even with Roost take note that Brave Bird and Life Orb wears it down quickly
    • uh same moves as before really i'll actually explain them in the write up
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • the reason why this one is ran more bulky than CB is because it has Roost so bulk is actually a bit more useful here - this way you outspeed positive base 70s.
    • 176 Special Attack EVs and Sheer Force w/ Naughty means you can 2HKO Metang with Heat Wave... usually not worth it though.
    • Swellow and Sawk for the same reasons as CB, although this time Braviary can take on Rock-types a bit easier with Superpower... note that they can still take a hit though and retaliate most of the time.
    • This is one of those Pokemon that hates Alomomola, a common Pokemon that can attempt to Toxic it an give it some problems and avoid the 2HKO from BB. A Pokemon that can take advantage of it, such as Serperior, makes a good partner. Grass-types are also resistant to Electric as a bonus.


    [Other Options]
    • The Life Orb set listed above if its deemed unworthy
    • Expert Belt or Sharp Beak w/ Roost, BB, U-turn, and Superpower to bluff a choice item.
    • Tailwind - 56 HP / 248 Atk / 204 Spe Adamant w/ Sharp Beak, Bulk Up, Brave Bird, and Roost can act as a mixture of other sets, w/ Tailwind helping a bit against offense and Bulk Up helping a bit against defense. Outseeds Scarf Zard after the Wind and Modest Ludi and Rott before the wind.
    • Rock Slide alongside Sheer Force
    • Crush Claw
    • Defensive set with stuff like Whirlwind and Toxic
    [Checks and Counters]
    • Nothing can truly "counter" it because of how strong it is and because of that Bulk Up set messing up the things that can typically wall it, but there are still ways to deal with it.
    • Metang is the closest you can get, as with a bit of investment in Attack it won't get set up on and can survive onslaughts from other sets due to its typing.
    • Pokemon with a STAB Rock Blast, such as Golem are generally as safe bet against Braviary, only really fearing Superpowers and blasting through Braviary's Substitutes so they cannot get set up on.
    • Probopass and Lairon get an honorable mention because they can deal with SubBU thanks to Power Gem and Roar, although Superpower does even more to them.
    • Other Rock-types such as Carracosta and Regirock are bulky enough or have Solid Rock to survive a Superpower although these can't deal with SubBU
    • Alomomola can survive most attacks and stall it out with WishTect, while Brave Bird hurts Braviary a lot because Alomomola has a lot of HP. SubBU sets up on it pretty easily though
    • Electrode revenges everything, including Scarf, without needing a Scarf of its own
    • oh and stuff like Jynx or Zebstrika can revenge too but they also can't switch in
    • Stealth Rock + Brave Bird recoil can make it wear down pretty quickly, especially in the case of Choiced variants.
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    not sure about the Life Orb set. it's a neat set in theory, and I've been meaning to use it lately anyways. but with Stealth Rock and Life Orb damage racking up against it, it's reaaaally easy to wear down. I know you can just Roost, but you have to find the opportunity to do it first, and at that point, I would have rather attacked. I imagine it used to be a better set before Jynx and Primeape helped fuck up the Speed tiers. Now that everything is faster, it's pretty easy to force out and keep wearing down with SR damage.

    Also: I feel like Adamant would be better for Scarf. The things you beat out with Jolly are:
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    All of which are rare. And since Scarf Braviary is more of a scout/late-game cleaner than a revenge killer, to me, it can afford to run Adamant. When I used Scarf Brav about a month and a half ago, I used Adamant for these reasons.

    Band might be better with Adamant as well, but I think outspeeding Adamant CB Sawk is cool enough that Adamant at best deserves a slash and at worst deserves an AC mention. I'll let other QC members comment on that.

    Also: OO a defensive set. Raseri used it against me, and it was a bitch. But now I'd probably rather use Mandibuzz for that set, which is why I don't think it should have its own set right now.
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    is this still being worked on?
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    yeah I'll get it done soon, sorry :/
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    SubBU is missing 4 EVs, Speed should be 64 not 60. LO Roost is kind of meh because even with Roost the recoil you take from Brave Bird + LO on top of SR racks up way too fast. The ability to switch up moves is nice though, but still idk. If you do keep it mention Heat Wave + Sheer Force in AC for 2HKOing Metang. (EV spread for Heat Wave is 252 Atk / 176 SpA / 80 Spe with Brave / Superpower / Heatwave / Roost Naughty @LO)

    EDIT: Yes I did, thanks for pointing that out.
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    I believe you meant 176 SpA?
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    I would have Choice Band before Scarf tbh. Right now its better at breaking walls than trying to revenge kill, especially when the faster Scarfers exist and are everywhere.

    [Overview]
    Talk about the presence that SubBU and Band have in the metagame; SubBU being a dangerous set up mon that gives many bulkier teams trouble while Band is a powerful wallbreaker.

    On SubBU have the set order be: Bulk Up / Roost / Substitute / Brave Bird

    [Set Comments] (SubBU)
    When talking about Brave Bird say the reason for it being the STAB of choice is that nothing is immune to it, not that nothing resists it. Add that Substitute also avoids status.

    [Additional Comments] (SubBU)
    SubBU doesn't really set up on Rock-type actively (as in it switches into them to start boosting) but more of if it can get off that Sub or BU on their switch to the Rock mons it can start getting work done. I wouldn't use Swellow as an example either but I think having say: Zangoose, Tauros, and Kanga listed as partners with Brav to weaken Rock-types and Steel-type together would be better.

    Add Toxic Spikes and Spikes support here. TSpikes means that Braviary has a much easier time stalling out Rock-type Pokemon while Spikes help wear down both Rocks and Steels. Garbodor, Scolipede, and Roselia are all good for this (mainly the first two though)

    [Set Comments] (Band + Scarf)
    Mention that Return hits Electric-types that resist Brave Bird.

    [Additional Comments] (Band)
    Add a bulkier spread of: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe Adamant. Outspeeds neutral nature base 70's (Ludicolo + Samurott)

    [Set Comments] (Life Orb)
    Mention that even with Roost it tends to wear itself down pretty quickly by Brave Bird and Life Orb.

    [Other Options]
    Elaborate on Tailwind with Cherub's set. 56 HP / 248 Atk / 204 Spe Adamant with Bulk Up / Tailwind / Brave Bird / Roost @Sharp Beak. BUs vs more defensive teams and Tailwind vs more offensive ones. 204 Spe outspeeds Scarf Zard during Tailwind while still outspeed Modest Colo/Rott. 56 HP and 248 Atk over 52 HP and 252 Atk because 56 HP gives you an odd HP number.

    Implement and I'll stamp.
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    Implemented the above
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    Have Brave Bird after Substitute on SubBU's set.

    QC Approved 1/3
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    I feel like the last LO set should be in OO, since it loses a ton of health and one of the big selling points of Braviary is that it's bulky enough to take a hit now and then and KO back, and LO + Brave Bird just saps health like no tomorrow. In addition, it won't get many chances to Roost vs offensive teams, since it's slow enough to be forced out by a lot of different mons. The set in OO should be like Brave Bird / Superpower / U-turn / Roost, with Expert Belt or Sharp Beak, in order to bluff a choice item and then nail a Rock-type coming in.
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    I've added the set to OO, but I've put the LO set in Hide tags just in case someone thinks its worthy of a set (everyone seems to be kind of iffy on it)
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    i think it would be better to call the set Substitute + Bulk Up because other bulk up sets that dont rely on bulk but are just like get one boost and start attacking do exist and it would be better to clarify
    opinions?
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    agreeing with life orb for OO
    also agreeing with calling the set Substitute + Bulk Up

    2/3 after i guess :) i cant find anything i dont like about it
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    I'll have this done in a few days, I promise you
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    I am extremely sorry that it took me a bit over 2 weeks to complete this even as you guys were telling me to get it done :(

    This is finally ready for a third QC check.
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    [Additional Comments] (Bulk Up)
    Here you say that nothing resists Return, which is not true. The only thing Return actually has going for it over Brave Bird would be hitting Electric-type Pokemon neutrally. Definitely fix this.

    [Set Comments] (Choice Band)
    When talking about Return and list Eel, add Rotom-S to that list as it resists every move Braviary has except for Return.

    [Additional Comments] (Choice Band)
    The alternative EV spread should be: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe not 84 HP / 172 Spe. The way you have it now it only speed ties with Colo/Rott.

    [Checks and Counters]
    Replace mention of Lairon with Bastiodon, who is much more common and still has Roar.

    Everything else looked good to me.

    QC Approved 3/3

    GP pls
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    lol Why the heck did I think that nothing resisted Return when I wrote that.

    GP time I guess!
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    [Overview]

    <p>One of the most dangerous offensive threats in NU, Braviary is a force to be reckoned with. Along with its powerful moves and high Attack, it packs a surprising amount of versatility; for instance, its Bulk Up set gives bulkier teams problems while its Choice Band set makes for a dangerous wallbreaker. Also, unlike other Pokemon of its typing, Braviary has bulk and coverage moves, with Superpower doing major damage to Pokemon that could withstand its STAB moves. Braviary's biggest downfall is its Speed stat&mdash;while it's not exactly slow, it is slower than most other offensive threats in the tier.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Substitute + Bulk Up
    move 1: Bulk Up
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Substitute
    move 4: Brave Bird
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Defiant
    nature: Careful
    evs: 252 HP / 192 SpD / 64 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is arguably Braviary's most dangerous set&mdash;with a combination of a good bulk, access to reliable recovery, and a reliable, strong STAB move, it makes for a dangerous Bulk Up user. Not only can this variant of Braviary can easily deal with defensive teams thanks to the aforementioned traits, but it can also set up on Pokemon that could otherwise deal with other sets. For example, Braviary can set up a Substitute on Rock-types that rely on Stone Edge, such as Regirock or Carracosta, when they switch in, then use a combination of that and Roost until they run out of PP for Stone Edge, and then start setting up Bulk Ups as they are unable to damage it with a super effective attack.</p>

    <p>Bulk Up is the main move on this set, patching up Braviary's uninvested defense to cushion attacks from Rock-types in particular and making its already impressive attack higher. Roost allows Braviary to keep itself healthy, as it tends to get worn down from a combination of Substitute, Brave Bird recoil, and repeated attacks from the opposition. A Substitute allows Braviary to get in additional boosts and avoid status moves. Many weaker Pokemon, such as Tangela, Alomomola, Roselia, and defensive Seismitoad will find themselves unable to break past Braviary's substitutes in one hit, which means that Braviary can set up an additional Bulk Up and keep its substitutes intact for the next Pokemon. Brave Bird is the best option for the STAB move, as even though it causes recoil, nothing is immune to Brave Bird, making it more optimal for a mono-attacker than a Normal STAB. Even without any boosts, it still does quite a bit of damage to any Pokemon that doesn't resist it non-resist.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EVs allow Braviary to outspeed Adamant Torterra and everything slower, with the remaining EVs being thrown into HP and Special Defense. Maximum HP allows Braviary to make 101 HP substitutes, and even though users of Seismic Toss are rare, being able to set up on them is always nice. Defiant is chosen as the abiliy&mdash;while it doesn't come in handy too often, it is the only ability that actually helps it out. Braviary could potentially run more Speed, but there isn't much that is worth catching up to without sacrificing Braviary's bulk immensely. Leftovers should be used as the item, as it allows Braviary to receive passive recovery as it is setting up. Return could be used for the attacking option, as it causes no recoil damage and it hits Electric-types neutrally, but Ghost-types will then wall this set completely, with Misdreavus in particular no longer being setup fodder.</p>

    <p>This variant of Braviary is rather self-sufficient, but it finds it challenging to set up against Electric-types and can also be revenge killed by them. A bulky Ground-type such as Piloswine or Golurk therefore makes a good partner; they are also capable of taking down Bastiodon and Probopass, who which can deal with this set with Roar and Power Gem, respectively. Toxic Spikes, and to an extent Spikes, support is very helpful for wearing down Rock-types quicker, as even though Braviary can potentially set up on them, they still pose a threat to Braviary. As a result, Pokemon that learn both moves, such as Garbodor and Scolipede, make good partners, and Braviary to switch into an Earthquake that might may be targeted at the former. Finally, Pokemon, generally Normal-types, that struggle against Rock-types but have a means of wearing them down via coverage moves, such as Zangoose, Kangaskhan, or Tauros, appreciate the fact that Braviary can use them to set up on under the right circumstances, although note that Braviary cannot directly switch in in these situations.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: U-turn
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Defiant
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Equipped with a Choice Band, Braviary becomes one of the most powerful wallbreakers in the tier. To put it into perspective, with the correct move, Braviary is capable of 2HKOing at worst almost every Pokemon in the tier after Stealth Rock, an incredible feat, ensuring almost nothing is safe if Braviary can predict correctly. Brave Bird is the main STAB, easily destroying any Pokemon that does not resist it, and even though the recoil damage can be annoying when in conjunction with its Braviary's Stealth Rock weakness, its good coverage makes it preferable to use in most cases. Return is a less powerful, alternative STAB move, but it does have the advantage of not causing recoil damage, making it more optimal to clean the opponent's team with if the need arises. It also hits Electric-types, notably Eelektross and Rotom-S (the latter resists every other move on this set), for neutral damage. Superpower is used in order to deter Rock- and Steel-types from switching into Braviary it easily; this ensures that Regirock and the like won't be able to easily wall it as they risk a 2HKO. Finally, U-turn is good for keeping momentum and scouting for switch-ins, (RC) while still hitting mildly hard.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Despite the fact that the given EVs are fairly straightforward, an alternative spread of 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe with an Adamant Nature will get the jump on neutral-natured Samurott and Ludicolo while getting a bit of extra bulk. However, it is usually worth going in at maximum Speed in order to try to outspeed and OHKO opposing Braviaries before they do the same back to it, as it can do that even with a Jolly Nature. In the rare case Braviary receives a stat drop, Defiant will make Braviary almost impossible to wall as a result. Sleep Talk is an interesting option for Braviary to act as a sleep fodder Absorber to try and power through Grass-types such as Tangela even when it is statused, but unfortunately the most common sleeper is Jynx, which is a Pokemon that can outspeed and OHKO Braviary regardless. It is also difficult to find a free moveslot for the move, however, as the listed moves are all useful in their own right.</p>

    <p>Although Braviary has Superpower to defeat Rock- and Steel-types, they still get a free switch into both of Braviary's STAB moves, meaning Braviary will usually have to predict their switch-in to defeat them. As a result, a good idea would be to partner up Braviary with a Fighting-type such as Sawk that can defeat them. Running Choice Band Sawk in particular means that you can have two incredibly powerful physical attackers that can provide a great deal of offensive pressure. Thanks to Mold Breaker, Sawk can OHKO most Stealth Rock setters as well, something which Braviary likes the absence of. Swellow makes an interesting partner. Similar to the double Dragon strategy in OU, teams may be hard-pressed to deal with two strong Normal/Flying type Pokemon, as Braviary can break down their checks while Swellow can finish them off thanks to its high Speed. Finally, Spikes support support is suggested in order to wear down walls that may might try to survive its Braviary's onslaughts. Cacturne is an example, and with a Grass STAB it does decent against Rock-types.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: U-turn
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Defiant
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Despite the fact that Braviary lacks the Speed of other Pokemon Choice Scarfed Pokemon that are users common in the metagame, such as Primeape or Jynx, it makes up for it by easily being able to secure KOs much easier thanks to its high-powered moves and a high Attack stat. In addition, while it will almost never outspeed another Pokemon with a Choice Scarf, it still at least outspeeds Swellow, the fastest common unboosted Pokemon in the tier, so it can still be reliable enough in most situations to revenge kill any unboosted threat. Brave Bird serves as the main STAB move, and even without any boosting item, it still hits hard enough to finish off, if not OHKO, frailer foes, while Return serves as an alternative STAB that doesn't have any recoil. Return is also better for cleaning up the opponent's team, as the lack of recoil ensures that it a sweep won't be cut short in these situations. Superpower still hits Rock- and Steel-types for super effective damage, but be warned that, without an item like the Choice Band boosting its attack, it won't hit bulkier Pokemon of this type very hard. Finally, U-turn is useful to gain momentum and to scout, especially early-game, and Braviary's Speed will ensure that its U-turn will usually go first.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>An Adamant nature is preferred on Braviary, as the only Pokemon that it would get the jump on with a positive nature are Electrode, Butterfree at +1, and certain +2 foes. However, Jolly is usable if these, along with other neutral-natured Choice Scarf users that have a base 85 Speed, such as Sawk or Pinsir, are issues, but the power is usually more important. Defiant is once again chosen as the ability, as it is the only ability that will help Braviary, while making Intimidate users such as Tauros unreliable against it. Due to the typical defensive stats of what Superpower hits super effectively, it won't be doing very much damage to them, and even with that considered, Braviary will have to predict their switch-in to hit them, as they take very little damage from its STABs. As a result, a strong Fighting-type or Ground-type, such as Sawk or Golurk, can dent them with their STABs and possibly provide offensive pressure to prevent Stealth Rock from going up. Speaking of Stealth Rock, because Braviary can keep momentum with U-turn and will often have to switch in because it is a revenge killer, its weakness to the move can be troubling. A Rapid Spinner therefore makes a good partner, with Wartortle being a standout example due to it doing well against Rock-types due to its typing. Other Pokemon that can learn U-turn or Volt Switch can be paired up with Braviary in order to create a VoltTurn core. Primeape provides U-turn, and its Fighting STAB makes it able to dent Rock- and Steel-types pretty well.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>A Roost + 3 Attacks set with a Life Orb is an interesting option, considering it can allow Braviary to keep itself healthy and switch moves. However, Braviary's Speed issue makes it a bit hard to pull off a Roost despite its bulk. A similar set with an Expert Belt or Sharp Beak can bluff a Choice item if the need arises. Tailwind can patch up Braviary's Speed issue. In particular, a set of 56 HP / 248 Atk / 204 Spe with and Adamant nature with Bulk Up, Brave Bird, Roost, and a Sharp Beak can act as a mixture of other sets and helps against offensive and defensive teams. While this gives Braviary more versatility, it lowers its effectiveness against either offensive or defensive teams. However, you must decide if it is worth making Braviary not attribute to defeating a certain team. Rock Slide alongside Sheer Force can act as a strong Rock move, but that is practically it, and it generally is unneeded. Heat Wave with the aforementioned ability, with enough Special Attack EVs and a Life Orb, can 2HKO Metang, which is quite possibly the only Pokemon that can wall Braviary. Crush Claw is interesting for a Normal STAB as it can provide Defense drops against the opponent, but Return has quite a bit more base power than it. Finally, Braviary's decent defensive stats, instant recovery, (AC) and other moves such as Whirlwind and Toxic can amount to a defensive set, but its defensive typing is not stellar.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Braviary can be tough to counter thanks to it being very hard to switch into and it providing a potentially difficult to beat Bulk Up set that can mess up typical counters. Metang is the closest that you can get to a counter, as with a bit of investment in its Attack, it won't be set up on by Bulk Up Braviary, and its typing and high physical Defense allows it to take onslaughts and avoid getting 2HKOed by any of its moves. Rock Pokemon with Rock Blast, such as Golem, are generally safe bets against Braviary, only really fearing Choice Band-boosted Superpowers, and they can get through Braviary's Subsitutes thanks to the move hitting multiple times. Probopass and Lairon, despite easily falling to a Superpower, are some of the best solutions against the Bulk Up set, as thanks to Power Gem and Roar they cannot be set up on at all, and they 4x resist both of Braviary's STABs. Other Rock-types, such as Carracosta and Regirock, are bulky enough, or in the case of Carracosta, have Solid Rock in order to survive a Superpower if they get hit by one, but with only Stone Edge they tend to fail against Bulk Up sets. Alomomola can survive attacks thanks to its high Defense and can attempt to stall it out Braviary with Wish. However, Alomomola is setup fodder for Bulk Up as a result of it being incapable of breaking its Braviary's Substitutes even before Braviary begins boosting. Finally, if all else fails, Electrode is a somewhat reliable revenge killer, outspeeding even Adamant Choice Scarf Bravairy without needing one of its own, and Jynx and Zebstrika can revenge kill any set while needing a Choice except for the aforementioned one unless they carry a Scarf of their own for the aforementioned set. Stealth Rock and Brave Bird recoil also makes it wears Braviary down quite a bit over the match, especially against Choiced variants.</p>


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    [Overview]

    <p>One of the most dangerous offensive threats in NU, Braviary is a force to be reckoned with. Along with its powerful moves and high Attack, it packs a surprising amount of versatility; for instance, its Bulk Up set gives bulkier teams problems while its Choice Band set makes for a dangerous wallbreaker. Also, unlike other Pokemon of its typing, Braviary has bulk and coverage moves, with Superpower doing major damage to Pokemon that could otherwise withstand its STAB moves. Braviary's biggest downfall is its Speed stat&mdash;while it's not exactly slow, it is slower than most other offensive threats in the tier.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Substitute + Bulk Up
    move 1: Bulk Up
    move 2: Roost
    move 3: Substitute
    move 4: Brave Bird
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Defiant
    nature: Careful
    evs: 252 HP / 192 SpD / 64 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is arguably Braviary's most dangerous set&mdash;with a combination of a good bulk, access to reliable recovery, and a reliable, strong STAB move, it makes for a dangerous Bulk Up user. Not only can this variant of Braviary can easily deal with defensive teams thanks to the aforementioned traits, but it can also set up on Pokemon that could otherwise deal with other sets. For example, Braviary can set up a Substitute on Rock-types that rely on Stone Edge, such as Regirock or Carracosta, when they switch in, then use a combination of that and Roost until they run out of PP for Stone Edge, and then start setting up Bulk Ups as they are unable to damage it with a super effective attack.</p>

    <p>Bulk Up is the main move on this set, patching up Braviary's uninvested Defense to cushion attacks from Rock-types in particular and making its already impressive Attack higher. Roost allows Braviary to keep itself healthy, as it tends to get worn down from a combination of Substitute, Brave Bird recoil, and repeated attacks from the opposition. Substitute allows Braviary to get in additional boosts and avoid status moves. Many weaker Pokemon, such as Tangela, Alomomola, Roselia, and defensive Seismitoad, will find themselves unable to break past Braviary's Substitutes in one hit, which means that Braviary can set up an additional Bulk Up and keep its Substitute intact for the next Pokemon. Brave Bird is the best option for the STAB move, as even though it causes recoil, nothing is immune to Brave Bird, making it more optimal for a mono-attacker than a Normal STAB move. Even without any boosts, it still does quite a bit of damage to any Pokemon that doesn't resist it.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EVs allow Braviary to outspeed Adamant Torterra and everything slower, with the remaining EVs being thrown into HP and Special Defense. Maximum HP allows Braviary to make 101 HP substitutes, and even though users of Seismic Toss are rare, being able to set up on them is always nice. Defiant is chosen as the ability&mdash;while it doesn't come in handy too often, it is the only ability that actually helps it out. Braviary could potentially run more Speed, but there isn't much that is worth catching up to without sacrificing Braviary's bulk. Leftovers should be used as the item, as it allows Braviary to receive passive recovery as it is setting up. Return could be used for the attacking option, as it causes no recoil damage and it hits Electric-types neutrally, but Ghost-types will then wall this set completely, with Misdreavus in particular no longer being set up fodder.</p>

    <p>This variant of Braviary is rather self-sufficient, but it finds it challenging to set up against Electric-types and can also be revenge killed by them. A bulky Ground-type such as Piloswine or Golurk therefore makes a good partner; they are also capable of taking down Bastiodon and Probopass, which can deal with this set with Roar and Power Gem, respectively. Toxic Spikes, and to an extent Spikes, support is very helpful for wearing down Rock-types quicker, as even though Braviary can potentially set up on them, they still pose a threat to Braviary. As a result, Pokemon that learn both moves, such as Garbodor and Scolipede, make good partners, and Braviary can switch into an Earthquake that might be targeted at the former. Finally, Pokemon, generally Normal-types, that struggle against Rock-types but have a means of wearing them down via coverage moves, such as Zangoose, Kangaskhan, or Tauros, appreciate the fact that Braviary can use them to set up on under the right circumstances, although note that Braviary cannot directly switch in in these situations.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: U-turn
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Defiant
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Equipped with a Choice Band, Braviary becomes one of the most powerful wallbreakers in the tier. To put it into perspective, with the correct move, Braviary is capable of 2HKOing at worst almost every Pokemon in the tier after Stealth Rock, an incredible feat, ensuring almost nothing is safe if Braviary can predict correctly. Brave Bird is the main STAB, easily destroying any Pokemon that does not resist it, and even though the recoil damage can be annoying when in conjunction with Braviary's Stealth Rock weakness, its good coverage makes it preferable to use in most cases. Return is a less powerful, alternative STAB move, but it does have the advantage of not causing recoil damage, making it more optimal to clean the opponent's team with if the need arises. It also hits Electric-types, notably Eelektross and Rotom-S (the latter resists every other move on this set), for neutral damage. Superpower is used in order to deter Rock- and Steel-types from switching into Braviary easily; this ensures that Regirock and the like won't be able to easily wall it as they risk a 2HKO. Finally, U-turn is good for keeping momentum and scouting for switch-ins while still hitting mildly hard.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Despite the fact that the given EVs are fairly straightforward, an alternative spread of 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe with an Adamant nature will get the jump on neutral-natured Samurott and Ludicolo while getting a bit of extra bulk. However, it is usually worth going in at maximum Speed in order to try to outspeed and OHKO opposing Braviary before they do the same back to it, as it can do that even with a Jolly nature. In the rare case Braviary receives a stat drop, Defiant will make Braviary almost impossible to wall as a result. Sleep Talk is an interesting option for Braviary to act as sleep fodder to try and power through Grass-types such as Tangela even when it is statused, but unfortunately the most common sleeper is Jynx, which is a Pokemon that can outspeed and OHKO Braviary regardless. However, it's difficult to find a free moveslot for the move, however, as the listed moves are all useful in their own right.</p>

    <p>Although Braviary has Superpower to defeat Rock- and Steel-types, they still get a free switch into both of Braviary's STAB moves, meaning Braviary will usually have to predict their switch-in to defeat them. As a result, a good idea would be to partner up Braviary with a Fighting-type such as Sawk that can defeat them. Running Choice Band Sawk in particular means that you can have two incredibly powerful physical attackers that can provide a great deal of offensive pressure. Thanks to Mold Breaker, Sawk can OHKO most Stealth Rock setters as well, something which Braviary likes the absence of. Swellow makes an interesting partner. Similar to the double Dragon strategy in OU, teams may be hard-pressed to deal with two strong Normal / Flying Pokemon, as Braviary can break down their checks while Swellow can finish them off thanks to its high Speed. Finally, Spikes support is suggested in order to wear down walls that might try to survive onslaughts. Cacturne is an example, and with a Grass STAB it performs decently against Rock-types.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Brave Bird
    move 2: Return
    move 3: Superpower
    move 4: U-turn
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Defiant
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Despite the fact that Braviary lacks the Speed of other Choice users common in the metagame, such as Primeape or Jynx, it makes up for it by easily being able to secure KOs much easier more easily thanks to its high-powered moves and a high Attack stat. In addition, while it will almost never outspeed another Pokemon with a Choice Scarf, it still at least outspeeds Swellow, the fastest common unboosted Pokemon in the tier, so it can still be reliable enough in most situations to revenge kill any unboosted threat. Brave Bird serves as the main STAB move, and even without any boosting item, it still hits hard enough to finish off, if not OHKO, frailer foes, while Return serves as an alternative STAB that doesn't have any recoil. Return is also better for cleaning up the opponent's team, as the lack of recoil ensures that a sweep won't be cut short in these situations. Superpower still hits Rock- and Steel-types for super effective damage, but be warned that, without an item like the Choice Band boosting its Attack, it won't hit bulkier Pokemon of this type very hard. Finally, U-turn is useful to gain momentum and scout, especially early-game, and Braviary's Speed will ensure that its U-turn will usually go first.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>An Adamant nature is preferred on Braviary, as the only Pokemon that it would get the jump on with a positive nature are Electrode, Butterfree at +1, and certain +2 foes. However, Jolly is usable if these, along with other neutral-natured Choice Scarf users that have a base 85 Speed, such as Sawk or Pinsir, are issues, but the power is usually more important. Defiant is once again chosen as the ability, as it is the only ability that will help Braviary, while making Intimidate users such as Tauros unreliable against it. Due to the typical defensive stats of what Superpower hits super effectively, it won't be doing very much damage to them, and even with that considered, Braviary will have to predict their switch-in to hit them, as they take very little damage from its STABs. As a result, a strong Fighting- or Ground-type, such as Sawk or Golurk, can dent them with their STABs and possibly provide offensive pressure to prevent Stealth Rock from going up. Speaking of Stealth Rock, because Braviary can keep momentum with U-turn and will often have to switch in because it is a revenge killer, its weakness to the move can be troubling. A spinner therefore makes a good partner, with Wartortle being a standout example due to it doing well against Rock-types due to its typing. Other Pokemon that can learn U-turn or Volt Switch can be paired up with Braviary in order to create a VoltTurn core. Primeape provides U-turn, and its Fighting STAB makes it able to dent Rock- and Steel-types pretty well.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>A Roost + 3 Attacks set with a Life Orb is an interesting option, considering it can allow Braviary to keep itself healthy and switch moves. However, Braviary's Speed issue makes it a bit hard to pull off a Roost despite its bulk. A similar set with an Expert Belt or Sharp Beak can bluff a Choice item if the need arises. Tailwind can patch up Braviary's Speed issue. In particular, a set of 56 HP / 248 Atk / 204 Spe with an Adamant nature with Tailwind, Bulk Up, Brave Bird, Roost, and a Sharp Beak can act as a mixture of other sets and helps against offensive and defensive teams. While this gives Braviary more versatility, it lowers its effectiveness against either offensive or defensive teams. Rock Slide alongside Sheer Force can act as a strong Rock move, but that is practically it, and it is generally unneeded. Heat Wave with the aforementioned ability, with enough Special Attack EVs and a Life Orb, can 2HKO Metang, which is quite possibly the only Pokemon that can wall Braviary. Crush Claw is interesting for a Normal STAB as it can provide Defense drops against the opponent, but Return has quite a bit more Base Power than it. Finally, Braviary's decent defensive stats, instant recovery, and other moves such as Whirlwind and Toxic can amount to a defensive set, but its defensive typing is not stellar.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Braviary can be tough to counter thanks to it being very hard to switch into and it providing a potentially difficult to beat its Bulk Up set that can mess up typical counters. Metang is the closest that you can get to a counter, as with a bit of investment in Attack, it won't be set up on by Bulk Up Braviary, and its typing and high Defense allow it to take onslaughts and avoid getting 2HKOed by any of its moves. Rock Pokemon with Rock Blast, such as Golem, are generally safe bets against Braviary, only really fearing Choice Band-boosted Superpowers, and they can get through Braviary's Substitutes thanks to the move hitting multiple times. Probopass and Lairon, despite easily falling to a Superpower, are some of the best solutions against the Bulk Up set, as thanks to Power Gem and Roar they cannot be set up on at all, and they 4x resist both of Braviary's STABs. Other Rock-types, such as Carracosta and Regirock, are bulky enough, or in the case of Carracosta, have Solid Rock in order to survive a Superpower if they get hit by one, but with only Stone Edge they tend to fail against Bulk Up sets. Alomomola can survive attacks thanks to its high Defense and can attempt to stall out Braviary with Wish. However, Alomomola is setup fodder for Bulk Up as a result of it being incapable of breaking Braviary's Substitutes even before Braviary begins boosting. Finally, if all else fails, Electrode is a somewhat reliable revenge killer, outspeeding even Adamant Choice Scarf Braviary without needing one of its own, and Jynx and Zebstrika can revenge kill any set while needing a Choice Scarf of their own for the aforementioned set. Stealth Rock and Brave Bird recoil also wears Braviary down quite a bit over the match, especially against Choice variants.</p>


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