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Quality Control Breeding in Sun and Moon

Discussion in 'Articles and In-Game Guides' started by Raidx, Aug 29, 2017.

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    Gen 7 Breeding Guide by Raidx, CloudyNatu and TJ


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    Introduction
    Breeding Pokemon eggs has been a very important part of Pokemon games since Day 1, and in this guide we will assist you in breeding Pokemon to the best of your abilities. In Sun & Moon, Pokemon can be bred at the Pokemon Nursery at Paniola Ranch on Akala Island. Numerous mechanics for breeding in Sun & Moon were changed from those of breeding in Gen VI (see below), and in this guide you will find all you need to know about those changes and how you can become a breeding expert.


    Breeding Mechanics
    Here, we’ll have a look at the various breeding mechanics and features in Pokemon Sun and Moon.

    Hyper Training
    Introduced this generation, Hyper Training is a unique feature that allows you to modify Pokemon as if they had 31 IVs. Prior to Sun and Moon, it was difficult and tedious to breed a specific Hidden Power as well as the desired IV’s onto a Pokemon, but with the advent of Hyper Training, it’s been made a bit easier. Before Hyper Training can be done, you must be Champion in Alola first. Once you have achieved that, speak to Mr. Hyper at the shopping mall in Hau’Oli City, bring a level 100 Pokemon (a Pokemon must be level 100 for it to be Hyper Trained) and then exchange either a Bottle Cap (1 stats per Cap) or a Gold Bottle Caps (all stats Hyper Trained at once). Once done, your Pokemon will be as if it was hatched with 31 IV’s. Incredibly handy!

    IV Checker
    Seen above, the IV checker is now accessed by going to the PC, hovering over the Pokemon whose IVs you want to check, and selecting ‘judge’. It is received after hatching 21 eggs then talking to the Ace Trainer at the Battle Tree on Poni Island.

    Species Determination
    When a male and female Pokemon breed, the female determines what species the offspring will be. For example, if a female Bagon and a male Charmander breed together, the offspring will be a Bagon, guaranteed.


    Key Changes from Pokemon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire to Pokemon Sun/Moon
    • Both Gender and Genderless Pokemon can pass down Pokeballs, to their offsprings.

    • Pokemon Nursery does not level-up Pokemon anymore, (results in a $500 fee)

    • The IV checker is in the PC instead of speaking to a NPC.

    • There are no longer any O-Powers.

    • Previously, to hatch eggs faster, you would ride your bicycle, but that is replaced with Tauros using the ride pager. You can hold B to sprint with Tauros.

    • Instead of a loop, there is a fenced in area below the Nursery where you can ride Tauros in a small circle by moving the circle pad around.

    • The nursery lady crosses arms and rests her right hand under her chin when an egg is found.
    Breeding Tips & Tricks

    Ditto
    Having access to a 5IV or 6IV Ditto (A Ditto with 31 IVs in 5 or 6 stats) is strongly encouraged because Ditto can breed with almost any Pokemon, as well as being required to breed genderless Pokemon. This will come into effect more when we learn about breeding perfect Pokemon. A Ditto with these IVs may be obtained here (courtesy of Most ) or by chaining using SOS encounters for some time.

    Flame Body & Magma Armor
    If a Pokemon with the ability Flame Body or Magma Armor is present in your party, the steps it takes for an egg to be hatched will be halved. An easy Pokemon with Flame Body to catch would be Fletchinder, which can be found on Route 8 on Akala Island.

    Hidden Power Checker
    The Hidden Power NPC is found at Paniola Ranch inside the Nursery. She gives you the Hidden Power TM and will tell you what type the Hidden Power for each Pokemon will be, based on IVs.



    Egg Groups
    Egg groups are a system which determine which Pokemon are compatible with one another. All Pokemon belong in atleast one egg group, while some belong in two, similar to typings. If two Pokemon are of different genders and share atleast one egg group (excluding Undiscovered and Ditto), they will be able to breed when placed in the nursery. There are 15 different egg groups:
    • Bug Group: Some examples include Butterfree, Scizor, Flygon, Yanmega, Volcarona, Vivillon and Golisopod.
    • Dragon Group: Some example include Charizard, Kingdra, Salamence, Hydreigon, Goodra and Kommo-o.
    • Fairy Group: Some examples include Clefable, Azumarill, Delcatty, Roserade, Whimsicott, Carbink and Ribombee.
    • Field Group: Some examples include Raticate (both forms), Typhlosion, Manectric, Luxray, Stoutland, Pyroar and Lycanroc
    • Ditto Group: Ditto is the sole Pokemon in this egg group.
    • Human-like Group: Some examples include Hitmonlee, Gardevoir, Toxicroak, Electivire, Conkeldurr, and Hawlucha.
    • Grass Group: Some examples include Victreebel, Bellossom, Ludicolo, Tangrowth, Torterra, Ferrothorn, Trevenant and Comfey.
    • Flying Group: Some examples include Pidgeot, Crobat, Swellow, Staraptor, Sigilyph, Noivern and Oricorio.
    • Amorphous Group: Some examples include Muk, Magcargo, Swalot, Banette, Rotom, Eelektross, Gourgeist and Mimikyu.
    • Mineral Group: Some examples include Golem, Steelix, Shedinja, Probopass, Gigalith, Aegislash and Minior.
    • Monster Group: Some examples include Kangaskhan, Tyranitar, Aggron, Rampardos, Haxorus, Aurorus and Salazzle.
    • Water 1 Group: Some examples include Poliwrath, Mantine, Gorebyss, Floatzel, Greninja and Araquanid.
    • Water 2 Group: Some examples include Seaking, Lanturn, Sharpedo, Lumineon, Basculin, Malamar and Wishiwashi
    • Water 3 Group: Some examples include Tentacruel, Corsola, Cradily, Drapion, Carracosta, Barbaracle and Crabominable.
    • Undiscovered Group: Some examples include Mew, Ho-Oh, Deoxys, Mesprit, Zekrom, Yveltal and Lunala. Pokemon in this egg group can`t breed at all.
    Important Items

    Everstone
    The Everstone is an immensely important item for breeding, as it allows you to effortlessly pass down the Nature of the holder to the offspring. Without it, you will have to breed two Pokemon continuously until the offspring hatches with the Nature you want, which can take quite a long time if you’re not lucky. The Everstone can be found in Hau’Oli City as a gift from Ilima after battling him. It can also be found on wild Roggenrola, Boldore, Gigalith, Geodude, Graveler and Golem, or be bought for 16 BP at the Battle Royal Dome.

    Destiny Knot
    The Destiny Knot is also a very important item as it lets you control the IVs to an extent. Basically what this item does is pass down 5 of the total combined 12 IVs of both parents. Raises the chances greatly for producing offspring with the desired IVs. The Destiny Knot can be bought from the Battle Royal Dome for 48BP. Alternatively, it can also be obtained via the Pickup Ability, however the odds of finding a Destiny Knot through this method is low and can take hours just to find one.

    Incenses - Incenses come in the following forms:
    • Sea Incense - If Marill or Azumarill hold this, they are able to produce an Azurill egg in the Nursery.

    • Rock Incense - If Sudowoodo holds this, it is able to produce a Bonsly egg in the Nursery.

    • Luck Incense - If Chansey or Blissey hold this, they are able to produce a Happiny egg in the Nursery.

    • Wave Incense - If Mantine holds this, it is able to produce a Mantyke egg in the Nursery.

    • Rose Incense - If Roselia or Roserade hold this, they are able to produce a Budew egg in the Nursery.

    • Odd Incense - If Mr. Mime holds this, it is able to produce a Mime Jr. egg in the Nursery.

    • Lax Incense - If Wobbuffet holds this, it is able to produce a Wynaut egg in the Nursery.

    • Pure Incense - If Chimecho holds this, it is able to produce a Chingling egg in the Nursery.

    • Full Incense - If Snorlax holds this, it is able to produce a Munchlax egg in the Nursery.

    These Incenses are the only ways to hatch these baby Pokemon from eggs. Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Tyrogue, Smoochum, Elekid, Magby and Riolu are baby Pokemon as well, but do not require the use of an incense to be bred. All 9 of the Incenses can be bought from a woman in Konikoni City on Akala Island. Also, some Pokemon can only learn certain moves via their baby stage, e.g., Snorlax can only learn Recycle as a Munchlax, meaning the Full Incense is required for a Snorlax to learn Recycle.

    Power Items
    These items are an alternative to Destiny Knot. When a parent Pokemon is holding a Power Item, the corresponding stat will pass down the IV’s guaranteed. For example, if a Charizard has 31 Attack IV’s and is holding a Power Bracer, the offspring will be guaranteed to have 31 Attack IV’s as well. This can be especially helpful in times where you have two 4 x31 IV parents and it’s taking a long time to get the final IV. Giving one parent the Destiny Knot and one a Power Item gives you a 1/10 chance of receiving a 5 IV offspring. However, it will have the wrong nature, so from there you will need to replace the old 4 IV parent with the new 5 IV parent and breed it with the Pokemon that you gave the everstone earlier on with the nature you want.

    • Power Bracer: If a parent Pokemon holds this item, it will always pass down the its Attack IVs.

    • Power Anklet: If a parent Pokemon holds this item, it will always pass down its Speed IVs.

    • Power Band: If a parent Pokemon holds this item, it will always pass down its Special Defense IVs.
    • Power Belt: If a parent Pokemon holds this item, it will always pass down its Defense IVs.
    • Power Lens: If a parent Pokemon holds this item, it will always pass down its Special Attack IVs.
    • Power Weight: If a parent Pokemon holds this item, it will always pass down its HP IVs.
    Other Items
    Shiny Charm - The Shiny Charm raises the base odds of hatching a shiny Pokemon from 1/4096 to 3/4096, and the odds of hatching a Shiny Pokemon using the Masuda Method from 1/683 to 1/512. The Shiny Charm can be obtained by completing the Alola Pokedex (minus mythical Pokemon), and visiting the Heahea City Game Freak office and talking to the game director.

    Oval Charm - The Oval Charm increases the chances of an egg being found in the Pokemon Nursery. The Oval Charm can be obtained by defeating Morimoto (for the first time) in the Game Freak office in Heahea City. The Oval Charm is a Key Item, so it isn`t required for a Pokemon to hold it while breeding.


    Breeding Rates
    • If the two parent Pokemon are of the same species (for example, Turtwig and Turtwig), and have different Trainer IDs, the chance of an egg being found in the Nursery after 256 steps is 70% (Increased to 88% with possession of the Oval Charm). The Daycare Lady will tell you “They really seem to like hanging out!” if this is the case.
    • If the two parent Pokemon are of the same species and have the same Trainer ID, the chance of an egg being found in the Nursery after 256 steps is 50% (Increased to 80% with possession of the Oval Charm). The Daycare Lady will tell you “They seem to get along all right.” if this is the case.
    • If the two parent Pokemon are of different species and have different Trainer IDs, the chance of an egg being found in the Nursery after 256 steps is 50% (Increased to 80% with possession of the Oval Charm). The Daycare Lady will tell you “They seem to get along all right.” if this is the case.
    • If the two parent Pokemon are of different species and have the same Trainer ID, the chance of an egg being found in the Nursery after 256 steps is 20% (Increased to 40% with possession of the Oval Charm). The Daycare Lady will tell you “They don’t seem to like each other very much, though.” if this is the case.
    • If the two parent Pokemon are in different egg groups, are the same gender, or are in the egg group ‘Undiscovered’, they will not be able to produce an egg whatsoever. The Daycare Lady will tell you “They don’t seem to like playing together, though.” if this is the case.
    Probability Checker
    Your chances of obtaining specific offspring from two parent Pokemon can be checked using the IV Breeding Probability Calculator by Agnaktor . Using this calculator can give you a good idea of how long it will take to complete a breed.


    Breeding Perfect Pokemon
    Now that you’ve got all the information you need to know how to breed, here’s how to put what you now know into to breed your desired Pokemon.

    To start, catch a Pokemon in the wild or find whatever Pokemon you wish to breed. If the Pokemon has the nature you would like for the Pokemon, then you are all set. If not, you will need to catch a Pokemon with the desired nature in the wild.

    If you have one, we recommend putting a Pokemon with the Synchronize ability, and the nature you want the Pokemon you’re breeding to have, in the front of your party. This is because Synchronize makes it a 50/50 chance that the wild Pokemon you encounter will have the same nature as the Pokemon with the ability. If the Pokemon you want to breed is unable to be found in the wild, you will have to either hatch eggs until you get one with the desired nature, or obtain one by other means (trade, PokeBank, etc.).

    If you have a Ditto, that would be the ideal parent Pokemon to breed with the Pokemon you’re going to breed, as Ditto is able to breed with any Pokemon capable of breeding. However, if needed, catch a different parent Pokemon that shares at least one egg group with the Pokemon you are breeding. Catching another Pokemon that is the same species as the Pokemon you’re breeding would be ideal, as it raises the chances of eggs being found in the nursery.

    You will want the parent Pokemon of the Pokemon you’re breeding to have the IVs you would like to breed onto the offspring, so that you can give it the Destiny Knot and the IVs will be able to be passed down. If you have a Ditto or another compatible Pokemon with the IVs you need, then you are all set to try breeding for your perfect Pokemon. If not, you will need to chain down the IVs onto the Pokemon you will wind up giving the Destiny Knot.

    Example
    I want to breed a Jolly, flawless in all stats but special attack Flygon, and I have a Trapinch with an IV spread of x / 31 / x / x / 31 / x, a Jolly Ditto with an IV spread of 31 / x / x / x / 31 / 31, and a non-Jolly Ditto with an IV spread of 31 / 31 / 31 / x / x / x.

    To begin, I will put my Trapinch in the nursery with a Destiny Knot and my Jolly Ditto in the nursery with an Everstone. I will then hatch eggs until I receive a Trapinch with an IV spread of x / 31 / x / x / 31 / 31 or better.

    After hatching a few eggs, I hatch the Trapinch with the x / 31 / x / x / 31 / 31 IV spread that I wanted. Now, I just need to pass down one (or more) of my other Ditto’s perfect IVs. I put the Trapinch I most recently bred in the nursery with the non-Jolly Ditto.

    After some time, I breed a Trapinch with an IV spread of 31 / 31 / x / x / 31 / 31. Since this Trapinch is objectively better than the current parent Trapinch, I will swap out parents in the nursery and use the new parent. If I breed any Pokemon that are objectively better than the parent I have just put in the nursery, I will swap them as well.

    Once I have more 4 IV parents to work with that have the missing Defense IV I am looking for, it will only be a matter of time before I breed my 31 / 31 / 31 / x / 31 / 31 Trapinch!



    Other Breeding Methods
    • Masuda Method: If you’ve tried to breed Shiny Pokemon, there’s a good chance you’ve heard of or used the Masuda Method. The Masuda Method is a relatively simple concept - if you breed two Pokemon from different language games, the odds of a Shiny Pokemon hatching from an egg produced by them is greatly increased from the base odds (1/4096 → 1/683).
    • Poke Balls: When an egg is produced, there is a 50/50 chance of the offspring inheriting either parent’s ball if they are the same species. If the parents are of separate species, then the ball passed down will be that of the female. Ditto’s ball has no effect on the offspring’s ball, so when breeding with Ditto, the offspring will always be in the non-Ditto’s ball. Cherish Balls and Master Balls will never pass down when breeding, however.
    • Egg moves: You may have seen a Pokemon use moves that aren’t TMs/HMs, level-up moves or even Move Tutor moves. Aside from event moves, they are most likely egg moves. Egg moves are moves that a Pokemon can only learn through breeding. To breed for egg moves, what you need to do is have a female Pokemon breed with a male Pokemon of the same egg group already have the move you want to pass down to the offspring. When successfully bred, the offspring will know the move the male Pokemon had in its current moveset. For example, for Bagon to learn Dragon Dance, you will need a female Bagon, Shelgon, or Salamence breed with male Pokemon in the Dragon egg group. If the male (for example Haxorus) currently knows the move Dragon Dance, when bred with a female Salamence, the resulting Bagon will know Dragon Dance. In the event that both parents combined have more than 4 egg moves, there is a priority bracket put in place to determine the order of the moves inherited. The priority of the egg moves is as follows - Volt Tackle (Pikachu/Raichu + Light Ball), father’s egg moves, mother’s egg moves, moves inherited through level-up, and then the baby’s default moveset.
    • Hidden Abilities: When an egg is produced, there is an 80% chance of the offspring inheriting the female’s ability, regardless of whether it is a hidden ability or not. If a male or genderless Pokemon with its hidden ability is bred with a Ditto, it has a 60% chance of passing down the hidden ability. If a Pokemon doesn’t inherit its ability from a parent, it can only be hatched with one of its non-hidden abilities.
    That’s just about all you need to know about breeding Pokemon in Sun & Moon. We wish you luck on your breeding endeavors, and hope you are able to take some valuable information from this guide and breed up your desired Pokemon!​
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    I'm just gonna tag a few peeps that might be good for this, as we don't have a formal in-game QC and I haven't actually played through Sun and Moon yet. LegoFigure11 cant say Theorymon DHR-107 Hulavuta Codraroll atsync Its_A_Random No pressure dudes, though if QCing articles like this is something you'd like to help with in general, let me know and I'll keep tagging you for these sorts of things :3
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    I think there should be a section on how to actually breed good mons, like how themantyke did in his XY guide. right now there's just a bunch of information but nothing about how to use that information.
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    A few things:
    This isn't actually the care here, nor any of the other times that you've mentioned it. Breeding pokemon with different Trainer ID numbers increases the chance, and OT is not considered by the game. This is relevant for people (such as myself) who use the same OT across multiple games, but have different IDs for each of those saves.

    It may not be a bad idea to link to Most's long running Ditto Giveaway here, so that people know how to get access to Dittos such as this.


    Something else that you haven't touched on is a few of the newer methods of breeding that came about this generation.
    The Egg Swap Shiny method was incredibly popular at the start of the generation, and is outlined here: https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/5jvlee/sunmoon_how_to_quickly_breed_shiny_pokemon_and/
    While you don't need to go into this much detail with it (the first infographic linked in it has easily enough information), it is a popular breeding method and is thus probably worth mentioning here. Something to note is that it requires at least one of Shiny Charm or Masuda Method to do.
    Another thing is Egg RNG, specifically the 127 Magikarp method. It's tedious to get set up, but once done it allows a breeder to predict every single attribute of every single egg that they will breed in the future. This allows breeders to skip over and not bother hatching eggs that they don't want, and know exactly how long a particular breed is going to take. There's more info on that here (see Homebrewless method), and it could definitely be worth looking in to.

    Also, here's a higher resolution version of the image that you use at the top of your article.
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    While this is a bit outside of the scope of the article, I think mentioning Hyper Training is a good idea. Hyper Training makes breeding for Hidden Power quite a bit easier (It means that if you don't get a 30 where you want but its still even, you can still salvage the Pokemon with some grinding).Most importantly however, this makes breeding Pokemon that need incenses reasonable. This is actually important, since this is the only way for Gluttony Snorlax to get Recycle (via Munchlax), which is a very important move for it! It's also how Wobbuffet gets Encore.
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    Sure, will do, thanks!

    So for clarification, the percentages and functionality is correct, but OT just needs to be changed to Trainer ID? Appreciate the image as well, thank you!

    After rethinking, we're going to reconstruct a section for putting the information given in the earlier parts of the article into use in breeding perfect/other desired Pokemon, which should solve this issue.

    Appreciate the feedback, thanks for your time.
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    Correct!
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    Not tagged for QC, but a discussion on egg moves would be good (i.e. priority when passing them down, ability to relearn them, fact that both M/F can pass them down), as well as a mention of the Hidden Power type checker (girl in the ranch).

    On the minor side, I always liked the fact that now you can send eggs directly to your PC from the nursery lady when your party is full, which is new to SM from ORAS. Saves some time when breeding lots of eggs (such as with that swap method lego mentioned). If you prefer to get your own Dittos, chain battling them to get 4IVs + different natures is a viable option as well.

    Thanks for taking the time to write the guide! I know a lot of people will appreciate it. :)
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    Coming back to this, I thought of a little more stuff.
    There exists a breeding probability calculator (http://mkwrs.com/destiny_knot/) for XY, and the probabilities are the same for SM so it's still relevant. It could be cool to mention it so that people can get an idea of how long it'll take for them to complete a breed.

    You also haven't mentioned the use of Power Items. If a parent holds a Power Item during breeding, it guarantees that the IV for the stat that the Power Item corresponds to will be passed down from that parent. While usually inferior to using the Destiny Knot, I know that some people like TheMantyke use it for breeding better Hidden Power parents, for example, as you can guarantee that a particular 30 is passed down and use that to get appropriate parents for Destiny Knot breeding;
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    The EV enhancing items (Power Weight, Power Bracer, Power Belt, Power Lens, Power Band and Power Anklet) deserve a mention under useful items, as they let the holder pass down the respective IV to the offspring 100% of the time. Sure, it's more worth holding an Everstone and Destiny Knot when you have good parents already, but when breeding for the parents you ultimately want to use, the Power items can be useful for chaining down a specific IV from other species (specifically 30's for Hidden Power and relevant 0's).

    edit: sorry, didn't see it already mentioned in the post above
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    Guide has been updated :)
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    I'd personally write this as 3/4096, as (at least to me) it makes it easier to understand (as the numbers both have the same denominator) and also because that way both numbers are rational, instead of there being a rounded repeat.

    With this (and all the other Egg Group descriptions) I'd probably add that they are typically matching the description, as I'm not sure that every mon in every egg group fits it perfectly. To me, "Fairy Group: Pokemon in this group are typically petite and considered very cute." works better than what you've got at the moment, and same goes for the other egg groups too.

    Other than that though, looks good to me! Nice job guys n_n
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    A couple of corrections.
    There are many more baby Pokemon; Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Tyrogue, Smoochum, Elekid, and Magby.
    It is only a 60% chance of inheriting a hidden ability, this link explains the odds and includes another link to the actual calculation used.


    And a suggestion: Include something about the priority of egg moves, I don't remember the specifics off the top of my head, but it's an interesting mechanic and can cause problems if you have >4 egg moves between the parents (including a rare situation where an egg move both parents know doesn't get passed down).
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    Sure, will do. Thanks!

    Are you suggesting that they be mentioned all together? The sentence about Riolu is just stating that it is the only baby Pokemon that doesn't require the use of an incense to breed, the others are mentioned with their respective incenses.
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    What defines a baby Pokemon is that they're born into the undiscovered egg group. For example, a first stage Pokemon like Charmander is born straight into the egg groups Monster+Dragon, so it's not classified as a baby Pokemon. While Pokemon like Riolu, Togepi and Igglybuff are born into the undiscovered, so they're classified as Baby Pokemon, even if they don't require an incense.

    Might be worth mentioning that Ditto can't breed with other Dittos. so a Better way to phrase it would be "Just Ditto is in this egg group, and it is able to breed with any Pokemon as long as they are not in the Ditto or Undiscovered groups."
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    Ah my bad, will change.

    Sure thing. Thanks for the advice!
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    I dont exactly understand what you mean by "egg move priority", i never knew it was a thing lol
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    Oh, no problem haha. When breeding, the moves have a certain ranking for being passed down (I don't remember the specifics off the top of my head, so the following is just made up). For example, the egg moves known by the father will be passed down first, followed by any Level up moves known by both parents, then any egg moves known by the mother, and finally the standard level 1 moves (Growl and the like). The game will go down the list until all 4 move slots are filled up. Let's say you had a Male with 2 egg moves, and 2 level up moves. The Female has 2 different egg moves and the same 2 level up moves. Technically the baby could inherit all 6 moves, but which 4 will be inherited? That's the priority Dark Ray and I were referring to.

    While I'm here ;)...
    You're right, the Pokemon will be the same species as the Female. However, I read this as the Male has to have the egg moves. Technically females can pass down egg moves as well.

    And if I could offer up 1 other suggestion, there are a few instances of 4IV/5IV/6IV (for instance, "Having access to a 5IV or 6IV Ditto" near the top) but that terminology isn't really defined. For someone who's just starting out with breeding, they might not have come across that slang before :) You might not have to change all of them, but perhaps you could add something like "having access to a 5IV or 6IV Ditto (a Ditto with 31 IVs in 5 or 6 stats)" would clear it up for the rest of the guide. I think your Ditto discussion is the first place it happens, but that clarification would go wherever the first time is.
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    Great, thanks for clarification. Adding now.

    Sure thing. Thanks for the suggestions!
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    Thanks guys! After an initial pass, what immediately stuck out were the Hidden Ability odds (which remained the same from before, but differ from Dark Ray's link) and the mention of TM/HMs in the breeding priority list. TMs aren't passed down anymore, and HMs don't exist in SM.

    Also, I believe it's 20 eggs, re:

    As for some further suggestions (as always, edit as you see fit):
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    I'd edit this to Nursery rather than Daycare, to keep the terminology the same. Might be more GP rather than QC, but meh.

    True, but you could probably take that out. Super Training gave you EVs, which aren't strictly related to breeding.

    Given the sentence under that, you could change this to "Species Determination" instead. This would also be a good place to include any breeding quirks in the species (such as Phione from Manaphy, Illumise/Volbeat, Nidoran M/F) if you'd like.

    You could merge the "other breeding methods" section with the "breeding mechanics" section since they are just that, discussions on the various mechanics. With that, you could move the IV checker down to the "tips and tricks" section to be with the HP checker.

    For the egg groups section, you could add in a sentence saying what those are, since they're never really introduced. From reading it I wouldn't gather that those groups are what determine which Pokemon can breed with each other.

    Finally, with regards to Pokeball inheritance, it might be helpful to note that Nidoran M/F and Volbeat/Illumise are restricted on which ball they pass down since they are different Pokedex numbers (i.e. only the female passes it on). Source


    Technically a suggestion, but since it's a little more important I left it out of the hide tags: I don't think there's an in-game/official description of the egg groups (though please correct me if I'm wrong!), but those descriptions are almost verbatim with what's on Bulbapedia. Instead, maybe you guys could compile a list of mons in those groups instead (just picking 1 to list from an evolution line would be good)? Example: http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/breeding_guide_part2#breeding_compatibility
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    Will make more changes also according to bulbapedia, the iv checker is obtained after hatching 21 eggs instead of 20.
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