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Bunnelby

Discussion in 'Little Cup' started by Hollywood, Oct 23, 2013.

  1. Hollywood

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    Bunnelby
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    38 HP / 36 Atk / 38 Def / 32 SpA / 36 SpD / 57 Spe

    Abilities: Pickup / Cheek Pouch / Huge Power (Hidden)
    Notable Moves
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    Return
    Frustration
    Spikes
    U-turn
    Earthquake
    Quick Attack
    Bounce
    Super Fang
    Bulk Up
    Brick Break
    Thief
    Stone Edge
    Rock Slide
    Substitute
    Wild Charge
    Power-Up Punch


    By far the cutest of all LC Pokemon, Bunnelby was introduced this gen to make a huge splash in the LC metagame, and I do mean huge. When XY was first released, Bunnelby appeared to be the Rattata of XY, with mediocre stats and abilities. However, as we kept learning more and more things about this game, more and more great qualities of Bunnelby began to surface. To begin with, it has a pretty spectacular movepool, with Normal, Ground, Rock, Fighting, Electric, and Flying coverage moves of decent to great power. Bunnelby also has access to other great moves, such as Bulk Up, Power-Up Punch, and U-turn. As with all of the other early-game rodents, Bunnelby also has priority in the form of Quick Attack. Even with all of these great moves on its side, Bunnelby still had very modest attacking stats, poor bulk, and only decent Speed. However, the worst of these factors, its low Attack, has since been remedied by Bunnelby's Hidden Ability, Huge Power, which was previously only available to two other LC-legal Pokemon, Meditite and Azurill, one of which found itself banned while the other is pretty bad because of its low Speed. With Huge Power, Bunnelby reaches an Attack stat of 26 with a Jolly nature, and it allows its decent Speed and fantastic movepool to be put to good use to transform one of the most harmless looking Pokemon in the tier into a major powerhouse.

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    Potential Sets
    Choice Scarf (open)

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    Bunnelby @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Huge Power
    EVs: 52 HP / 228 Atk / 196 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Return
    - Earthquake
    - U-turn
    - Stone Edge / Thief

    With max investment in Speed and a Jolly nature, Bunnelby hits a decent 16 Speed in LC. While this is ok, it doesn't really allow for Bunnelby to keep up against other very fast and frail offensive threats. Bunnelby is able to remedy this issue with a Choice Scarf to boost up to 24 Speed, which is enough to outspeed the entire unboosted tier. Return is used for obligatory STAB alongside Earthquake to patch up coverage against Rock- and Steel-types. U-turn is used in conjunction with Bunnelby's great Speed to scout the opponent's plays and rack up damage against Bunnelby's best checks without locking into another move. The last slot is mainly just filler. Stone Edge can be used for its fantastic neutral coverage alongside Earthquake and to hit Drifloon. However, Thief also hits Drifloon as well as Misdreavus, which otherwise handles this set fairly easily. Still, a super effective Thief doesn't hit much harder than a neutral Stone Edge against Misdreavus, but its superior accuracy is helpful. It also lets Bunnelby steal items from the foe should the opponent Knock Off its Choice Scarf.


    Eviolite Attacker (open)

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    Bunnelby @ Eviolite
    Trait: Huge Power
    EVs: 228 Atk / 76 SpD / 204 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Return
    - Earthquake
    - U-turn / Power-Up Punch
    - Stone Edge / Quick Attack

    With an Eviolite, Bunnelby reaches decent 20/15/16 bulk, allowing it to tank the occasional neutral hit from faster opponents and strike back with its fearsome Attack. The set is very similar to the Choice Scarf set, but the ability to attack without being locked into a move is fantastic, especially against less offensively-oriented teams. I'm not entirely sure if the above moves are ideal, but they seemed to be some of the better option. You can use more or less the same attacks as the Choice Scarf set, or you can go a different route with Power-Up Punch and Quick Attack to boost Bunnelby's Attack even further against weakened foes it can pick off and even finish off more offensive teams with priority. With fewer ways to handle opposing Ghost-types, Pursuit support is greatly appreciated alongside this set.


    I was also considering some kind of Substitute set, perhaps with Bulk Up, but maybe not. These two are the ones I've played around with and tested the most, so they're the ones I felt most comfortable with. If anyone else has any other ideas of different sets that Bunnelby might be able to run, please post them! Otherwise, you can use this thread to discuss Bunnelby and its potential effects on the metagame. You can also talk about how adorable it is. :)

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  2. Chieliee

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    noob, inkay>>>>>>>>>all

    Jolly sneasel reaches 23

    ok so bunnelby and meditite's attack and speed are identical. Meditite has a better defensive and offensive typing, and better bulk, but Bunnelby has more powerful STABS (100 and 102 is really amazing for an LC mon)
    I think Meditite will be preffered as a hard-hitter, but if/when that thing gets banned, Bunnelby might be a good alternative, one that might not be ban-worthy
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  3. Hollywood

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    Oh right, Sneasel is a thing again. What a butt. Thanks for noting that.
  4. Yosma

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    Is Huge-power azurill not LC-legal?
  5. Hollywood

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    Oh, I guess, but it's p bad. Still, I'll edit it.
  6. Kavatika

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    What's the point of the 76 SDef evs? Why do that over HP?
  7. Delver

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    Bunnelby will shine after bannings, imo. Meditite is literally just as strong and just as fast with better bulk and typing. Meditite dominated the meta when it was around, and I dont think thats going to change much. Given bunnelby's only pro over tits is higher STABs I doubt it will see much use outside so long as tits is here. If tits were to get banned, as it has before, I think then we'll see bunnelby's true potential.

    Essentially I agree with Chielee

    although, hey, normal typing is immune to ghost attacks which are super good this gen, so thats something it has going for it.

    Edit at bellow: Meditite (especially right now with gligar and the likes around) likes to run drain punch as its stab of choice and dedicate the other 3 slots to coverage/priority. Else wise you're totally right
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  8. Gerard

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    What STABs? It's pure Normal, it's only got STAB Return which is a lot less powerful than HJK
  9. Chieliee

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    sorry, i thought it was normal/ground. my mistake.
  10. Hollywood

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    You can use it in HP if you want. It doesn't really make much of a difference.
  11. Heroes and Cons

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    This needs updating. More recent stat updates allow it 16 unboosted speed, which mean that with a scarf it is hitting 24 speed - outspeeding even Sneasel. And with 26 Attack (with a Jolly nature), it's rupturing all but the sturdiest walls in one or two hits, with only eviolite gligar and bronzor taking all of its attacks well (as far as I have seen, at least). I use the standard Return / EQ / Stone Edge / U-Turn set with a Scarf, and it's generally my MVP for any LC match I play. Certainly, it's the main reason for the majority of my successes thus far.
  12. Diploman

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    Maybe the Eviolite set with Agility, less Speed and more bulk would work? Something like Agility/Return/Earthquake/Power Up Punch or Stone Edge?
  13. Hollywood

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    Thanks for noting that Heroes and Cons. My laptop broke last week, so I haven't been able to update the thread, but now that I'm basically back, I have even MORE exciting news to share with you all.

    As if we needed another reason to love Bunnelby, just found out earlier today that Bunnelby gets SPIKES as an egg move. I figure Spikes/Return/EQ/U-turn is probably what it will want to run, with maybe Berry Juice or Eviolite and max Atk/Spe, but since it was JUST discovered, no one has had a chance to test it yet! So let's discuss what kind of Spikes set Bunnelby might want to run while we wait for it to be added to PS!

    Also, Raseri is cute.
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  14. Raseri

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    spikes make it even cuter imo :). Now it gets even more cool sets :o. berry juice / evio when berry juice disappears with 3 attacks + spikes will be cool cause it can force enough switches, its missy bait though which kinda sucks. but just uturn out of that and youll be fine.

    scarf is still really cool. because berry juice is on everything, a lot of threats dont have the bulk to survive a return from bunnelby, if berry juice is ever to disappear in the future (not banned ofc because that talk isnt allowed) then I bet scarf bunny wont be as good, and the spiker will be more common.

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  15. Sunkern

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    Legal: Yes
    Good: I would like to say no but somebody went and made it a fairy so it may need some attention

    Another big thing nobody mentioned is a bulky banded bunny. Run the same evs as eviolite set, make it adamant, and throw in u-turn and quick attack for some decent scouting or revenge kills. Never underestimate a STAB CB quick attack
  16. kingmidas

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    LO gives out about the same damage rolls for level 5 mons, so Life orb is really the only item it should run to increase damage.
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    Bunnelby @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Huge Power
    Level: 5
    EVs: 228 Atk / 220 Spd / 60 HP
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Quick Attack
    - Return
    - U-turn

    As Heroes and Cons said, a Choice Scarf makes this little bunny quite a beast.
    STAB Return with 13 Atk + Huge Power
    Quick Attack is for the Priority users as chances are high they wont outspeed a scarfed bunnelby, and STAB Quick Attack with Huge Power packs a Huge punch haha.

    EQ is for Coverage Against intimidate Growlithes and Ponyta that may switch it, and U-Turn for the obvious GFTO attack, but bug typing is very nice in the current meta and can easily take someone out on the turn.

    228 Atk Huge Power (custom) Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Sneasel: 24-28 (109.09 - 127.27%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    bumping it up to 23 HP-

    228 Atk Huge Power (custom) Return vs. 100 HP / 0 Def Sneasel: 24-28 (104.34 - 121.73%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    (24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 25, 25, 25, 25, 25, 27, 27, 27, 27, 27, 28)

    And WITH eviolite

    228 Atk Huge Power (custom) U-turn vs. 100 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Sneasel: 16-20 (69.56 - 86.95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    U-turn: 69.56 - 86.95%
    Quick Attack: 30.43 - 39.13%
  18. Chieliee

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    Due to weird LC mechanics, the boosts provided by CB and LO do not behave in a 1.5/1.3 fashion. The difference is much smaller, almost negligible. Choice Band/Specs should never be used in LC (unless you can take advantage of it via Trick)
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    hi. this is a stupid argument. this is a bunnelby thread not a specs / band vs lo thread. Also there will be no specs / band vs lo thread because lo is better.

    also i made the op 1000x better
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  20. Unowninator

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    Hi-Jump Kick.
  21. Pen Ink

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    Bunnelby doesn't learn HJK nor is it a STAB...
  22. Unowninator

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    I meant Meditite; the other guy said Bunnelby had more powerful STABs.
  23. Pen Ink

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    oh okay sorry.

    either way meditite doesn't really run hjk anymore.
  24. Chieliee

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    meditite does have hi jump kick, but it generally runs drain punch because of the healing and the fact that it is less risky. It doesn't want to run 2 fighting moves and lose coverage/priority either. But yeah, you're right when you say i forgot about hjk. and i also thought bunnelby was part ground. my post was full of shit

    i should've said 'it has a drawback-free 102 base power move'. after experimenting, biggest thing bunnelby has over meditite is definitely u-turn
  25. Kappaten

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    Bunnelby does not have an immunity to electric: its typing is pure Normal, not Normal/Ground like Diggersby.

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