Gen 5 BW Viability Ranking, mk. 2

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BW
OU Viability Ranking Thread

Welcome to the BW OU Viability Ranking thread. This thread contains a ranking of every viable Pokemon, separated in tiers to indicate power gaps. You may notice that they are not ranked alphabetically within their own subtiers; that is because every Pokemon is ranked within their subranks too. For example, if Garchomp and Keldeo are both S rank, but Garchomp is ranked higher than Keldeo, then Garchomp is the better one of the two.

Keep in mind that rankings are subjective and that your opinion is not a fact, but rather, you should use facts to support your opinions.

BW2 OU Ranking tier list V5

S Rank:

Garchomp
Keldeo
Tyranitar
Latios
A Rank:

A+
Landorus-Therian
Jirachi
Alakazam
Breloom
Ferrothorn
Skarmory
Politoed
A
Starmie
Mew
Amoonguss
Slowking
Mienshao
Heatran
Hydreigon
Jellicent
Excadrill
A-
Terrakion
Kyurem-Black
Gastrodon
Gliscor
Dragonite
Mamoswine
Gyarados
Tornadus
Tentacruel
Rotom-Wash
Volcarona
Scizor
Reuniclus​

B Rank:

B+

Magnezone
Toxicroak
Kyurem
Slowbro
Salamence
Sableye
Latias
Thundurus-Therian
Gengar
Gothitelle
Tangrowth
Hippowdon
Celebi
B
Ninetales
Cresselia
Dugtrio
Moltres
Zapdos
Jynx
Kingdra
Chansey
Weavile
Alomomola
Lucario
Abomasnow
Forretress
Sharpedo
Victini
Froslass
Metagross
Xatu​

B-
Feraligatr
Quagsire
Roserade
Virizion
Conkeldurr
Seismitoad
Cobalion
Azumarill
Magneton
Lapras
Cofagrigus​

C
Suicune
Porygon2
Scrafty
Bronzong
Azelf
Jolteon
Haxorus
Heracross
Shaymin
Infernape
Espeon
Chandelure
Wobbuffet
Darmanitan
Cloyster
Nidoqueen
Aerodactyl
Riolu​

I made too many changes to list from the old thread to list them all, so feel free to contest anything. The most pressing issues right now: Landorus-T and/or Jirachi up to S? Everything's up for grabs. Go nuts :D​
 
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Lando-S
Arguably the best rocker in the tier, so splashable as it is a solid answer to a bunch of the scary physical atrackers in the tier. Not to mention gets monumentum like nothing else. This isn't even taking into account its base 145 attack which helps sets such as gravity/EP make its normal switch ins useless, aswell as making scarf a great late game cleaner. Another argument is that looking at s rank, lando beats 3/4 mons 1v1 depending on set. Hell even double dance can clean a team with ease. But when considering moving to S the scarf set and the bulky set are the reasons why I think lando should be S.
 

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Excellent list man. I agree with lando being an S mon due to it being able to fit in most teams as well as his ability to run multiple roles with great effectiveness. His most note worthy sets were already mentioned but it really is quite amazing.

Its a bit lower on the list but I think weavile should be a bit higher on this list. I think its a solid high/top B rank mon just because it has an excellent niche in the metagame. Its easily one of the best pursuit mons in the tier that is quick enough to outspeed most of the meta. Its ice stab and priority puts a dent in most pokemon that dont resist it and while its not common, it can run swords dance to let it bust through some common switch ins. All this plus a decline in the use of scizor, one of biggest weavile counters should bump it up a bit on the list since its only real downfall is how it wears itself out quickly through hazards, weather and life orb.
 
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I think Mienshao is far too high. It's a decent mon but it's incredibly frail, somewhat predictable (non-Scarf sets are mediocre), doesn't fit many styles, and is heavily momentum reliant. It's obviously a nice revenger and cleaner but it's nowhere near as reliable or as imposing as the other mons in A Rank. Its consistently low usage (~50 in ST21/ST22 and only used 4 times in SPL) is a testament to this. Strongly advocate moving it to A- Rank.

Rotom-Wash seems a little low to me. It's a nice glue mon that checks/annoys pretty much every team and can function as a short-term check to a lot of things. Pairs well with a lot of common cores and is generally simple to use effectively. Probably still belongs in A- Rank but I feel as though it should be nearer the top of it.

As for lower ranks, Zapdos is probably too high. No one really uses it much, certainly not to the level of the other mons in B+ Rank, and the current metagame isn't all that kind to it. I also propose moving Weavile up a little (best Pursuiter outside of Tyranitar, great Speed tier, Ice-type attacks are generally hard to wall, etc.), dropping Xatu down a bit (loses to most SR users and some Breloom), and dropping Roserade to C Rank (bad Spiker, too frail, too weak).

Cofagrigus, Seismitoad, and Tangrowth all see enough usage to deserve placing somewhere, too.
 
#5
I think Terrakion and Mienshao should swap places.

Terrakion is a fearsome wallbreaker with insane firepower and no real coverage problem, his STAB combination has no real resist in the OU metagame, while outspeeding a good portion of it. It also has some defensive utility thanks to its decent bulk, especially in Sand. For example, it can tank +1 Giga Drain from Volcarona, provided Sand is up, and it is also a nice scarfer, also the drop of Scizor in viability helps it a bit. Landorus-T is annoying for it, but it has enough special attack for HP Ice to be a viable option on it, especially since, as said, it doesn't really need any other move aside from Stone Edge + Close Combat. It has some exploitable weaknesses obviously (mostly its Ground and Water weaknesses, as well as a Fighting weakness), which is why I think A is the right place for it.

I 100% agree with Ciele about Mienshao, I would move it to A-.

I also agree with Ciele about Zapdos. Newer gens have Defog and non permanent weather, which makes Zapdos 100% times better, but BW zapdos just doesn't have this luxury. Permanent sand is annoying, and it needs spin support, and the ubiquity of bulky Tyranitar certainly doens't help it. Zapdos can do a lot of work vs some teams (especially vs Rain, where it's really hard to wall Electric + Fire + Ice effectively), and has some nice bulk and access to Roost, but the amount of support it requires, combined with its weaknesses, makes it an overall mediocre Pokémon.

Lucario should be either B+ or at the top of B I think. It requires some support (mainly weakening Chomp / Lando-T / Keldeo), but +2 Extremespeed can absolutely devastate a lot of teams. Crunch and Ice Punch are uncommon options, but they immensely help Lucario's matchup vs some of the mons it has issues killing with +2 Extremespeed (Landorus-T, Gliscor, Jellicent, Slowking). It is also helped by the drop in popularity of Reuniclus.
 
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I knew I was forgetting something... I love Tangrowth, added it to B+ (I think it's definitely a better choice than Hippowdon and Celebi). Definitely overrated Zapdos with how good I think it can potentially be but for now it's dropped. Seismitoad added to B- as I think he makes the difference between Conkeldurr and Cobalion quite clear. Bottom of B- now grudgingly features Cofagrigus. Xatu now goes to the bottom of B, I think I just wanted all the sun staples in one place but that was a bit silly looking back.

I actually think Roserade deserves its current ranking. TSpikes can be really deadly and sleep is amazing. It's not a great Keldeo check or anything but it can do the job once which can really make your Latios scary. There are some pretty good teams with it. I don't have any illusions about it being a consistently great Pokemon but it sure does have uses and when you consider what it's above I don't think dropping it is the right call.

Weavile goes up a bit... it's still not anywhere near good though.

I really don't like Rotom-W a lot. Yes, it'll burn something... and then that's about it. Ideally it enables really dangerous Pokemon off its Volt Switch; fighters, dragons, Alakazam, and more! However it gets worn down so fast in sand (especially when something as simple as an SR Landorus can freely U-turn on it), and it's an invitation for Ferrothorn to set up a billion Spikes (I'll take the burn every time). Rotom teams generally don't spin either and that's not the This happens with rain offense too, and it can't even Volt Switch everywhere because guys like Garchomp and Thundurus exist so the fact that you took one Tornadus Hurricane or Starmie Hydro Pump might not do you too much good in the long run. Amoonguss might get scared of the teammates Rotom might bring in but it's staying alive forever while Rotom is definitely not. God forbid you face a Gastrodon. Even sand offense teams that are Rotom weak on paper just overwhelm it so easily. While it can be a great Pokemon sometimes (for example a sand team with it will almost never lose to sun; you pivot him into Tales and Cress for safe Volt Switches into Tyranitar ad infinitum, and obviously it's pretty obnoxious at the beginning of a battle to most teams) it takes a lot to use it to its full potential and thus it's not that consistent, so I think it belongs with the Pokemon surrounding it.

As for the big cheese, Mienshao: I know people's eyes must've popped when they saw it that high but I will defend this one vigorously as I truly believe it has become one of the elite BW Pokemon. To me it is easily a much more consistent performer than everything below it. The Scarf set is this incredible mix of Garchomp/Keldeo (spammable STAB, great for cleaning) and Landorus-T (U-turn) topped off with Regenerator (!!!!!) and a speed stat to die for. The LO set is an incredibly vicious wallbreaker that's very tough to wall and the few things that do get U-turned on with ease into more dangerous threats. It's still great vs. offense, not least because Fake Out has great utility as well. Its frailty doesn't prevent it from putting in a ton of work game in game out. I know what Mienshao's gonna do but I still hate facing it, just like Alakazam or Keldeo. Its movepool is also fantastic even though it almost doesn't need it so it can definitely surprise people if it wants to. It's amazing on sand offense/balance and weatherless offense; I'm sure it could be used effectively on rain as well (threaten Tyranitar, U-turn, here comes the rain assault). Again, look at the Pokemon below Mienshao. I strongly believe that it is more powerful and more consistently useful than everything below it (even Heatran and Jellicent). I am not opposed to a change but I don't buy that its frailty and relatively low usage is reason for it to move down. It is a phenomenal Pokemon.

Terrakion is great and I was wrong there, he's now at the bottom of A, with Kyurem-B starting off A- rank. He's obviously very good and should be used more than he is but there are a lot of things that naturally annoy it so it can be hard to pull off. However A is fine.

So: more on Land/Jira and now Mienshao.
 
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Jirachi is definitely S material, with its plethora of sets and versatility, and can do just about anything your team needs, while having amazing resistances and decent bulk, even with little investments. It is also a very sturdy check of some very dangerous threats of today's metagame, like Latios and Alakazam. Switching into Jirachi is often hard in itself, if you haven't scouted its set, and even then, it could carry any move that could kill the mon you sent in. Heatran is the only Pokémon that comes close to fully countering Jirachi (escluding the very rare HP Ground), and not expecting a certain move could mean losing a mon (ever lost your Hippowdon to Grass Knot? Feels bad).

Landorus-T is an amazing mon, very easily splashable, and has some nice options both offensively and defensively, but I don't think it belongs to the S tier. I can't really explain it, it's just how I feel when I use it most of the times, sometimes I wish I had more defensive evs, sometimes I wish it was faster, sometimes I wish I had more attack evs.

I don't have a strong opinion on Mienshao, I'll try playing with it more and then come back here with the results I guess.
 

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I don't think Landorus-T is S, to be honest. Offensively Landorus is extremely dangerous and one of the biggest threats in the tier, however I think it's certainly flawed as a defensive Pokemon. The biggest issue is that the defense set is basically free layers for Skarmory so you're not really getting much done defensively. Not only that but all the big physical threats, for example Garchomp, Landorus itself, Jirachi, Breloom, etc. can all beat Landorus if they want at very little cost.

Jirachi I don't feel is S for similar reasons. Offensively Jirachi is one of the most threatening pokes in the tier, but defensively it just fails to be a permanent answer to anything because it despises Spikes. The SpDef Wish / Protect set is excellent on Rain teams when backed by a spinner but otherwise it just fails to put any pressure on any team that has a Spiker. Spinning is just way too hard in BW. Jirachi suffers immensely from this.

I think Terrakion is perfectly fine in A-. Terrakion looks super scary on paper but it just has way too many weaknesses to potent types to be a consistent threat. Water / Ground / Psychic / Steel / Fighting / Grass are all REALLY common. It doesn't have Tyranitar's immense bulk or Pursuit to compensate so it's very easy to pressure. Garchomp, Keldeo, and Mienshao are 3 similar Pokemon that don't have the same issue which makes Terrakion harder to consider for a team.

Personally I feel like Starmie belongs in A+. The LO set in rain is a nightmare to face for just about any team given just how strong it is. Starmie can run 4 offensive mons if you feel like it, either HP Fire outside of rain (making it just about uncounterable) or a Grass move to lure Gastrodon / Jellicent. Rapid Spin itself can enable Starmie's team to run some very dangerous offensive threats like Tornadus or Volcarona.

Gastrodon is a solid A rank Pokemon in my opinion. There are a lot of teams that just can't break it. The Water immunity is also incredibly handy against Rain teams, obviously. And it stops Volt Switchers dead in their tracks! You don't see EBelt Keldeo with HP Grass all that much anymore thanks to Amoonguss's newfound popularity which helps Gastro a lot.

I think Mew might be a tad high. I think it should be at the top of A-. While it's obviously amazing against physical offenses it just struggles to keep up with sand + hazards + potential status and eventually gets worn down. It also has the issue of letting in the dangerous MagmaTran in for basically free making it a liability vs those teams. Still a solid pick in tournaments against some players though!

Maybe Gyarados could be dropped to B+? DD sets aren't that scary given how easy it is to keep SR up, and with a faster scarfer it should be held in check. Gyarados is best on rain but having to stack on Waters can compound the Electric weakness. Choice sets can cause big surprises though I guess but you don't really see them quite often

Toxicroak belongs in A- I think. It just has such a great synergy with other rain pokes. Checking Keldeo is a godsend because the Scarf set threatens to clean Rain Offense hard. Taking advantage of Ferrothorn is also such an uncommon trait for rain pokes that it makes it invaluable. SubToxic, SD 3 Atks, and SubPunch are all very dangerous sets that can tear holes in quite a few teams. Reuniclus being uncommon at best really helps

One poke in B+ I never liked is Tangrowth. I think B would be a fairer rank. Its main niche is shutting down threats but even with Regenerator it ends up being worn down because of Sand and the layers it gives up. It's fairly solid on that one rain stall Tokyo Tom likes to use but otherwise it's not something that will end up giving you trouble

Celebi should be at the top of B+. The NP 3 atks set is incredibly dangerous and really underrated right now. It's best used with Magnezone, try it out!
 
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Can anyone explain the Moltres rank? I never saw it on ladder back when I played BW back in the day and I came to the thread to figure out my team. I'm sure it's a very competent mon, but I really don't know what it does.
 

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Can anyone explain the Moltres rank? I never saw it on ladder back when I played BW back in the day and I came to the thread to figure out my team. I'm sure it's a very competent mon, but I really don't know what it does.
Surprisingly, it's best on rain teams, where it can dish out accurate Hurricanes. The Fire typing's nice for stuff like Ferro that can generally be annoying for rain to break past. Needs spin support, but most spinners are great in rain anyway. As far as what it does... SubRoost, Choice Specs, and Agility are all notable sets.
 
#11
Mew has huge potential, I just hope people eventually utilize its OVERALL good stats to their advantage instead of focusing on solely attacking or defending.

Seriously, don't be scared to use a Bulky CM or NP set...mix WOW to give it some flavour.

EDIT: You little rattata smurf dont plagiarise from me
 
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