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BW2 General Metagame Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'BW OU' started by Tobes, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. The Reptile

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    It did? I thought all it got was Fire Fang for physical fire moves.

    And yeah, I can see what you mean about Skarm. Guess it's not as useful as I thought it would be.
  2. alphatron

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    I think double sand would be a liability now, with keldeo and the genies everywhere as well as an increased usage of mamoswine. I can't see hippowdon doing much (and I would like to be corrected on this).

    Sand shouldn't have that much trouble dealing with politoed though. Grass types were a must for them anyway. And unlike ninetales, politoed has no business switching into Tyranitar (I use banded Tyranitar myself).
  3. Danger Mouse

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    Good point. Politoed can't switch into ttar, and depending on the set, ttar can easily switch into politoed (it can't switch into something like specs hydro pump or focus blast but most people run defensive politoed these days because the specs set is just bad) and scare it out, nailing it with pursuit...or crunch if it's dumb enough to stay in.
  4. RainbowCrash

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    I think that now with keldeo and tornadus T and thundurus T facilitating offensive rain drizzle should be banned.The combo ban doesnt go far enough in my opinion
    The Meta was sinking into bulky offensive but now its going to be like pre thundurus ban b/w
    If Drizzle does get banned Sand Stall Could be viable with roost poison heal Gliscor but we will have to wait and see
  5. b2j135

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    Calling it now:
    Tornadus-T=OU maybe BL?
    Thundurus-T=OU
    Landorus-T=OU
    Black Kyurem=Uber (obviously)
    White Kyurem=Uber (also obviously)
    Keldeo/Keldeo-R=OU maybe BL?
  6. alphatron

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    What makes the kyurem forms obviously ├╝ber? Their base stat total?
  7. Cinco Diablo

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    B Kyurem has base 170 Attack and W Kyurem has base 170 Special Attack.
  8. alphatron

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    And 95 base speed alongside an awful defensIve typing. He still warrants a test at least. Si on gamefaqs did a bunch of calcs for steel types that can tank W-Kyurem's Draco meteors and the list of survivors is bigger than I thought.
  9. bubbly

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    I'm not convinced Black Kyurem is broken in OU, even though I think the meta will be better off without it. The damage upgrade from Haxorus isn't that significant in terms of KO's, especially now Haxorus got Superpower and Aqua Tail. Also, it isn't hard to revenge when it locks itself into Outrage.

    EDIT: I really can't see W Kyurem staying, or even being tested. That Draco Meteor backed up by Fire and either Fighting or Ground coverage to hit Jirachi / Heatran / Tyranitar etc...literally nothing can switch in safely, and most special walls risk being easily 2HKO'd if they mispredict (out of the very few which aren't destroyed by DM). Unlike Victini and Darmanitan, it also gets a lot of opportunities to just spam attacks, because its typing flat out beats Water / Grass / Electrics together with it's nice bulk.
  10. Sewa

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    How can tornadus-t be Borderline? It has power, speed, regenerator to abuse life orb, good coverage (Hurricane/Focus Blast/Heat Wave/HP). It will be top OU. I see Landorus-T will have low usage, instead.
    The same goes for Keldeo: specs Hydropump is really something to watch out for, especially in rain. And the few counters are poke that rain eats for breakfast.
  11. Cinco Diablo

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    Agree 100% this. Espically on the Keldeo/Keldeo-R part. That Specs Hydro Pump in rain can basically 2HKO the whole tier except for the obvious bulky waters.
  12. CrackinSkulls

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    Of all of them i thought that landorus-t would be a possible borderline and btw you clearly havent used a keldeo i think that it is definitely in OU. thundurus might be uber. lando may be bl IMO
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    Latios is his best counter, use it if he troubles you...
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    Scarf Thundurus-T is really good at beating regular Thundurus-T, it can switch in on Tbolt or Vswitch and revenge with HP Ice. Give that a try.

    Still wishing it got Lightningrod, though...imagine +1 LO Agility Thundurus-T in rain.
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    Im totally offended by the fact that he put Landorus as Obvious OU yet not do the same with Tornadus T

    Seriously, Landorus T probably get the biggest shaft amongst the T forms
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    Excadrill and Garchomp are Ubers.
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    That point was he was aware of and was advocating them being let back into OU.
  18. Sewa

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    In fact he's saying that we should retest them, giving the huge boost to rain team and new checks and counters to both pokes.

    EDIT: aw, ninjaed Q_Q
  19. Jets

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    hail gets nothing.... like always ._.
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    Hail should have at least gotten a 50% defense boost for Ice Types,,, come on game freak...

    Sand Rush Sandslash any good?
  21. Cinco Diablo

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    Sand Rush Sandslash is surprisingly good. You can run an offensive Swords Dance set with Rapid Spin, or you could go bulky Rapid Spin.
  22. Dark Fallen Angel

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    Doesn't a White Kyurem spamming Blizzard coming off a 170 base SpA counts?

    I am only sad that sand got really nothing notable with BW2 with exception of Sand Rush Sandslash. While it's true that the general options from OP works on the sand, as the name says they are GENERAL, sand could get something that only works with them like Rain and Sun did. I would agree if Garchomp and Excadrill were to be retested.
  23. Griff

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    BW2 and sand wasn't all bad imo. The Amoonguss Slowbro core works well together in sand and stoutland got superpower. I'm using a sand team right now.
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    White Kyurem can also obliterate every single steelsave Heatran type in the game with Fusion Flare.
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    I don't think anyone who plays competitively would ever want Kyurem forms to touch OU. You have to grasp just how strong 170 Base is and that's not even counting the bulk this thing has. An awful defensive typing is arguable as well. Resists to Water, Grass, Electric, neutrality to Fire and Ice, and weaknesses to Steel, Fight, Rock, Dragon. If you focus only on the weaknesses you might assume it sucks but realize that resistances to Water, Grass, and Electric allows it to switch-in to many Pokemon in OU without taking much damage when combined with it's bulk.

    Watching the metagame turn into "who can spam Draco Meteors faster" + "3 Steels on every team" is not my idea of "deserving of a test".

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