Yeah Temp V1 you explained it pretty well! Btw, seeing as yee mentioned Sableye as a spinner in sun teams being able to wall any spinner, what about Sun stall? It's an idea that i always wanted to try, but never made it, because tbh it is quite a difficult task. The biggest assets that sun stall offers over other stall teams are Sableye, a spin-blocker that cannot be beaten by any spinner, an almost godlike special wall, Heatran, which loses its water weakness in sun, and is therefore now able to wall Latios, Recover-less Starmie, Rotom-W and Tentacruel as well as hit very hard with Lava Plume, Cresselia, which is an excellent wall that beats many threats to common stall such as MixMence and CB Terrakion and of 'course the deadly SubSeed Venusaur. Any ideas?