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that's like saying will yohan blake surpass usain bolt because of his new shoesWill choice scarf Haxorus with his new moves now overshadow choice scarf moxie salamance?
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that's like saying will yohan blake surpass usain bolt because of his new shoesWill choice scarf Haxorus with his new moves now overshadow choice scarf moxie salamance?
Yeah, this is actually a real strategy now that I've been playing around with on the ladder. I'm using a team that looks like it's built around a Scarf MoxieMence. Whenever I bring it straight into Genesect without batting an eye, the opponent will inevitably switch out (assuming they're not trash and don't know my team already). When this happens, I set up a DD and proceed to wreck face with the aid of a beastly Dragon Gem. Moxie essentially ends the game unless my opponent has a solid offensive answer to +1 DDMence, i.e. Scarf Latios. However, most teams rely on Genesect to do their revenge killing nowadays, which is an incredibly unreliable strategy in my opinion, simply because of the prevalence of stuff like MoxieMence, RP Landorus, etc.The mere fact that Salamence is faster than Genesect prevents Scarf Haxorus from outclassing Scarf Salamence, let alone Moxie and a Mach Punch resistance. Which reminds me; something I have seen very often lately on ladder is me leading with Scarf Salamence, and my opponent leading with Genesect. Nine times out of ten (anecdotally) the Genesect would switch out after my opponent noticed the lack of Intimidate. This is leading me to believe that now would be a good time for MixMence to make a comeback in order to take advantage of that kind of mindset, though I still think Scarf is Salamence's best set in this meta. (Dragon Dance is pretty good too. Seriously, outspeeding Scarf Genesect is such a plus over Dragonite. I'd recommend Dragon Gem Dragon Claw or Lum Outrage. Haban Berry might also worth considering once Garchomp inevitably drops down.)
No way, at least not in my opinion. From what I have used of SubCM, it is still amazing. Being able to counter Tornadus-T in rain and set up is great, and easy to do. Since there are a lot of Gastodon's and Lanturn's around to counter Thundurus I would change the set from Substitute/Calm Mind/Thunder/Water Pulse, to something like Substitute/Calm Mind/Thunder/Psychic. This allows you to beat these counters. (If gasto doesn't have EQ)I want to discuss about Jirachi; I haven't seen people using non-Specially defensive (that set that counter any Tornadus not carrying Heat Wave) Jirachi and I want to know another set that could be viable AND amazing. I've tried to use SubCM but this fast-paced metagame usually doesn't allow me to sufficiently boost, not to mention that with less and less people using stall, the fact that SubCM can defeat any stall team (until you defeat Perish Songers and Ground and Fire-types that aren't weak to one of its coverage moves) is not as appealing. I've seen people saying that Jirachi is no longer viable outside more balanced or defensive teams. Is that true?
Definitely agreed; DD Salamence is probably my favorite set atm. I've been using Lum Outrage though, but thats simply because I've never been a huge fan of Dragon Gem. My entire team atm is built around abusing the fact that everyone's just been relying on Scarf Genesect to do their revenging. Its been working well so far.Yeah, this is actually a real strategy now that I've been playing around with on the ladder. I'm using a team that looks like it's built around a Scarf MoxieMence. Whenever I bring it straight into Genesect without batting an eye, the opponent will inevitably switch out (assuming they're not trash and don't know my team already). When this happens, I set up a DD and proceed to wreck face with the aid of a beastly Dragon Gem. Moxie essentially ends the game unless my opponent has a solid offensive answer to +1 DDMence, i.e. Scarf Latios. However, most teams rely on Genesect to do their revenge killing nowadays, which is an incredibly unreliable strategy in my opinion, simply because of the prevalence of stuff like MoxieMence, RP Landorus, etc.
Yes. Lucario is such a huge metagame threat, and with Genesect locked into Ice Beam for days, it can get some super easy setup. I also run double priority, and haven't found Jellicent to be much of a problem, most likely due to the fact that I'm running BandTar alongside Luc so it can do some work and not have to worry about Jellicent, Politoed, Slowbro, and other assorted defensive Pokemon. Give that a try and see how it works for you.Also SD Lucario is so good right now. I don't know if people have forgotten about it or something but seriously its sweeps so often. I run Bullet Punch as the final coverage and while Jellicent is a huge deterrent, at +2 it OHKOs so much of the meta.
Well, try using SD luke along Wobbuffet. Lucario resists all the weaknesses of Wobb and a dark attack is a free +1. And nobody wants to give Lucario a free turn, with wobb giving support. (encoring, eliminating scarfers)I find pairing salamence with wobbuffet is one of the perfect supporters for him. It does a combination of setting the stage for a DD with encore or eliminating faster scarfers, though he's often limited to just one of the two a match because of how prevalent u-turn is. Wobb hates super effective hits. It isn't hard to have your team eliminate mence's counters and when your DD is almost guaranteed a sweep isn't hard.
while Genesect may be a set-up opportunity its also a pretty good check as long as it is healthy.Yes. Lucario is such a huge metagame threat, and with Genesect locked into Ice Beam for days, it can get some super easy setup. I also run double priority, and haven't found Jellicent to be much of a problem, most likely due to the fact that I'm running BandTar alongside Luc so it can do some work and not have to worry about Jellicent, Politoed, Slowbro, and other assorted defensive Pokemon. Give that a try and see how it works for you.
I'd say Genesect is actually pretty healthy for the metagame. We ban that thing, and it's just gonna be Dragonite and Scizor all over again. BW1 was pretty bad, but I see potential in BW2. I don't think banning Genesect is the right move for the current meta. Once Tornadus-T is out of the way, I'll think about it.Now all we have to do is ban Genesect, and then i will be able to say that we have a semi-balanced metagame.
What is bad about Scizor? Now it is all Genesect, and wihtout him it will be all Scizor. We have had him for 2 full gens and he is fine. Dragonite you say? Ton of checks, including many scarfers, such as Terrakion, Rotom-W, Jirachi and Landorus. I don't see one healthy thing Genesect does in OU. Exept from making Deoxys-D's life harder...I'd say Genesect is actually pretty healthy for the metagame. We ban that thing, and it's just gonna be Dragonite and Scizor all over again. BW1 was pretty bad, but I see potential in BW2. I don't think banning Genesect is the right move for the current meta. Once Tornadus-T is out of the way, I'll think about it.
Well considering the amount of people on smogon <21 (that is right U.S. centric)am I the only one who's actually drinking because Garchomp is legal now?