He's just not that good as an Axew. Not top tier material IMO, and I don't even have to see how he is as a Haxorus to know that. A Pokemon that comes that late would have to be good right off the bat to be top tier.
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BW2 In-Game Tier List Discussion [Updated 7/24]
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You get it during final Team Plasma event right before Elite Four. There are Team Plasma grunts blocking your way before that.
If you're really eager to use Swanna, I guess there's always Icy Wind?
I'm sure you can't even access Seigaiha City before beating Drayden, so is Giant Chasm even accessible o.o
No, Game Freak was smart this time and managed to change the literal linearity of the map without removing the one-city-at-a-time scheme they'd set up for BW. You still need to beat Drayden to get to the Marine Tube and thus, arrive at Seigaiha.
BTW, now I'm at lv51-53 at Victory Road (Galvantula/Volcarona/Starmie/Virizion/Mienshao/Metagross) and I'm feeling something's... weird. My Gross has Hammer Arm/Meteor Mash/Rock Slide/Agility and he can't kill anything. It has a neutral nature and ~144 Atk at lv51 which I think is *acceptable*. Shouldn't it be, like, killing shit instead of just taking hits (it's pretty good at that, I have to admit)?
BTW, now I'm at lv51-53 at Victory Road (Galvantula/Volcarona/Starmie/Virizion/Mienshao/Metagross) and I'm feeling something's... weird. My Gross has Hammer Arm/Meteor Mash/Rock Slide/Agility and he can't kill anything. It has a neutral nature and ~144 Atk at lv51 which I think is *acceptable*. Shouldn't it be, like, killing shit instead of just taking hits (it's pretty good at that, I have to admit)?
You're totally underlevelled, I'm just before the Victory Road
and all my team is around 59-63. Did you use the Lucky Egg ?
and all my team is around 59-63. Did you use the Lucky Egg ?
No, only if I'd just caught something and it was a couple levels behind. I'm purposedly underleveled but, even then, Metagross seems *too* underpowered. And this is weird, as it's at the same level as the whole team and has the highest base Attack.
He's not too underleveled. Besides you're over leveled. Not that it's a bad thing but it'll make the e4 easier.
breh
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I can't understand why you feel this way; my Lilligant has 140 or so SpA at level 59 or so and it does well enough with Giga Drain; I'd assume gross does even better with MM. Perhaps Meteor Miss is being too true to its nature?
As for level around elite four, I was 53-54 for all mons in my runs.
Why did you say I'm over leveled ? I just beat all the trainers with Lucky Egg, I didn't grind for Audino for example ...
my team's levels were like 44-52(lolzoroark) when i did victory road
it wasn't even that difficult o.O
I would be crazy enough to test these:
Skarmory
Camerupt
Drifblim
Skorupi
Tangrowth
Mantine
Unfortunately my PC is slow as Ferrothorn and so is DeSmuMe and I don't have a Japanese DS and the games are region locked.
I don't think anyone should bother with Mantine anyway, because the only way it's going to do some damage and outspeed anything is if it runs Swift Swim + Rain Dance. You'd pretty much have to run a +SpA nature and assuming you don't have max SpA IVs I doubt anything but a Rain-boosted Surf is going to do any serious damage at all. You could teach it Signal Beam with your free Shards and run something like Surf/Blizzard (until you get Ice Beam)/Signal Beam/Rain Dance but like I said the before the damage output is probably very disappointing, not to mention you have to set up Rain Dance.
EDIT: You don't even have to waste your Shards, you can waste a Heart Scale instead. Apparently it learns Air Slash too in BW2.
Skarmory
Camerupt
Drifblim
Skorupi
Tangrowth
Mantine
Unfortunately my PC is slow as Ferrothorn and so is DeSmuMe and I don't have a Japanese DS and the games are region locked.
I don't think anyone should bother with Mantine anyway, because the only way it's going to do some damage and outspeed anything is if it runs Swift Swim + Rain Dance. You'd pretty much have to run a +SpA nature and assuming you don't have max SpA IVs I doubt anything but a Rain-boosted Surf is going to do any serious damage at all. You could teach it Signal Beam with your free Shards and run something like Surf/Blizzard (until you get Ice Beam)/Signal Beam/Rain Dance but like I said the before the damage output is probably very disappointing, not to mention you have to set up Rain Dance.
EDIT: You don't even have to waste your Shards, you can waste a Heart Scale instead. Apparently it learns Air Slash too in BW2.
mantine's only use in bw2 is to be traded for tangrowth
there's like better water types out there (swanna, marill)
skarm might be worth it though, spikes can break sashes/sturdy which is helpful (*cough*HAXORUS*cough*)
there's like better water types out there (swanna, marill)
skarm might be worth it though, spikes can break sashes/sturdy which is helpful (*cough*HAXORUS*cough*)
Yeah, Tangrowth is good. If you trade for him, you get him at Lv. 45. You can relearn it Sleep Powder. It can learn Swords Dance and once you can trade for him I believe you already have the TMs for Rock Slide and Bulldoze. It learns Power Whip 8 levels later.
Camerupt has acces to a lot of powerful moves and Rock Polish to boost its speed. Driblim has acces to stuff like Acrobatics and Thunder. Drapion is fast and has acces to Swords Dance and a lot of physical moves, including the elemental fangs.
I've just beaten Iris, and yes, it was very easy
breh
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I'm actually already testing Skarm and it's a bit underwhelming, to say the least. It really wishes it had Drill Peck; Fly is not always as reliable as you'd desire. Additionally, its coverage is a bit lacking; if you can't hit it with Iron Head / Fly, you have a slim chance of success. It does wall anything without SE moves, though, which is nice.
Oh, and Mantine is not objectively worse than Swanna, although it may take more effort to obtain. Air Slash / Surf is exactly the same thing that Swanna will inevitably run and Mantine just trades a little Special Attack for a great deal of Special bulk. In other gens, Mantine has sucked since it really can't work on Ice Beam / Surf; Air Slash makes it better in this gen.
Pretty much this. Skarmory can beat a ton of pokemon in the game one-on-one, but it can't do so efficiently because it's slow and has a mediocre attack stat. It can pull its weight on a team, but I'd much rather use that slot for something that can score reliable OHKOs. Low, anyone?
breh
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It's not good; it's pitifully weak, has nothing but Water-type moves to work with (Confusion is weak and Psychic you get right before Drayden lol; Ice Beam is almost at the end of the game), and is generally kind of inferior. There are a lot of Water-types ingame and Psyduck is one of the worse ones.
Plus, it's godawful to train.
Plus, it's godawful to train.
He starts of slow, picks up after getting Water Pulse. Confusion helps with the second gym if you don't wanna use Magnemite. He also gets Zen Headbutt and Aqua Tail.
Then there's Surf (awesome!), use it to obtain Psychic. Ice Beam after the 8th gym/before Victory Road is great too.
He's better than average. I used him more than Emboar and Ampharos, but less than Lucario.
Although his coverage with Psychic and Ice Beam is really realy good.
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Really breh? It wasn't that bad : l
I'm sticking to Staryu in the English versions though. You can get it after the sixth gym I believe, and in all honestly, you don't really NEED a water type unless your team is terrible against Clay.
Then there's Surf (awesome!), use it to obtain Psychic. Ice Beam after the 8th gym/before Victory Road is great too.
He's better than average. I used him more than Emboar and Ampharos, but less than Lucario.
Although his coverage with Psychic and Ice Beam is really realy good.
EDIT:
Really breh? It wasn't that bad : l
I'm sticking to Staryu in the English versions though. You can get it after the sixth gym I believe, and in all honestly, you don't really NEED a water type unless your team is terrible against Clay.
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