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CAP 3 CAP 3 - Part 10.5.1 (Movepool Spillover)

Discussion in 'CAP Process Archive' started by Gothic Togekiss, May 4, 2008.

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  1. Gothic Togekiss

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    Poll Closed, New thread will be made soon

    Level-Up Moves:
    - Wood Hammer (Heart Scale)
    - Flare Blitz (Heart Scale)
    - Leer
    - Pound
    - Growl
    5. Bullet Seed
    9. Focus Energy
    13. Ember
    17. Growth
    21. Leech Seed
    28. Synthesis
    35. Energy Ball
    46. Lava Plume**
    57. Zap Cannon
    63. Flash Cannon
    72. Hyper Beam

    TM/HM Moves:
    TM 05-Roar
    TM 06-Toxic
    TM 09-Bullet Seed
    TM 10-Hidden Power
    TM 11-Sunny Day
    TM 15-Hyper Beam
    TM 16-Light Screen
    TM 17-Protect
    TM 19-Giga Drain
    TM 21-Frustration
    TM 23-Iron Tail
    TM 27-Return
    TM 28-Dig
    TM 30-Shadow Ball
    TM 31-Brick Break
    TM 32-Double Team
    TM 33-Reflect
    TM 34-Shock Wave
    TM 35-Flamethrower
    TM 36-Sludge Bomb
    TM 38-Fire Blast
    TM 39-Rock Tomb
    TM 40-Aerial Ace
    TM 42-Façade
    TM 43-Secret Power
    TM 44-Rest
    TM 45-Attract
    TM 50-Overheat
    TM 53-Energy Ball
    TM 56-Fling
    TM 58-Endure
    TM 61-Will-o-Wisp
    TM 66-Payback
    TM 68-Giga Impact
    TM 76-Stealth Rock
    TM 82-Sleep Talk
    TM 83-Natural Gift
    TM 86-Grass Knot
    TM 87-Swagger
    TM 90-Substitute
    TM 91-Flash Cannon

    HM 04-Strength
    HM 06-Rock Smash
    HM 08-Rock Climb


    Egg Moves:
    DragonBreath
    Howl
    Mud Bomb
    Seed Bomb Aromatherapy
    Leaf Storm
  2. Azacin

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    Since this guy doesn't have greenhouse, Sythesis might fit. Rest gives them enough time to bring in a counter, and they can switch out of leech seed. Yes

    Charge Beam would give him coverage on things that resist Grass, such as flying. It would also power his special Attack to rediculous levels. No

    Aromatherapy would give him the ability to heal off any paralysis that might hinder his sleep. Also, the adddition of this would make him a Support, Sweeper, and Tank, possibly in one moveset. No
  3. TerrickTerran

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    1. Should this Pokémon get Recovery outside of Rest??
    -Yes, Synthesis
    -No, Rest and Leech Seed sapping is more than enough for him to survive.
    No. Going to be hard enough to take down as is.

    2. Should "Pass the Kutchie" be able to learn:
    -Charge Beam? (Y/N) No
    -Aromatherapy?* (Y/N) Yes
    3 stat up moves No

    Arometherapy is fine (though I doubt most would use it) Charge Beam seems a bit off so I voted no. Howl just doesn't feel right. Curse makes it a monster, Dragon Dance makes it too scary.
  4. Aldaron

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    you decided to not do anything about #1 :(

    aww too bad (influential X-ACT >=0)
  5. Dane

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    1) Recovery - Yes

    2)
    a. Charge Beam - No
    b. Aromatherapy - Yes
    c. Howl - Yes
    d. Dragon Dance - No
    e. Curse - No

    And why should it be in the ground group? Monster/Dragon works perfectly well, and fits exactly in with Charizard and Sceptile.
  6. Gothic Togekiss

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    I was but I thought that since neither of them didn't made the cut (50+%) it would be a bit of a waste. Now that you mention, it would be a good way to see if people actually want Howl in this thing's movepool.

    I mostly said that because of Howl and Mud Bomb being in it's egg list. I mostly go for Monster/Dragon or Monster/Ground.
  7. tennisace

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    1) Recovery - Yes

    2)
    a. Charge Beam - No
    b. Aromatherapy - Yes
    c. Howl-Yes
    d. Dragon Dance-No
    e. Curse-No
  8. Hyra

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    Ugh....

    Why do I have to change my universally affirmative vote?

    Anyways:


    Yes, Synthesis is the only real viable one and looking at Cresselia, weather gimped recovery isn't too useful.

    Yes Howl
    Yes Charge Beam
    Yes Aromatheropy
    No Curse
    No Dragon Dance
  9. Dane

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    Well, it can get Howl through Monster/Dragon (forget from whom... Exploud I think?). Mudshot... meh. It's not really a necessary move to determine it's egg group, considering Ground is the most ridiculous egg group ever.
  10. Gothic Togekiss

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    I actually though Exploud was only in the Ground group, so yeah. Well...I guess Blunt-o-saurs is in the Monster/Dragon group then.
  11. tennisace

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    what ever happened to cannabis cannon?
  12. Gothic Togekiss

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    Decided not to add it on his movepool and because it wasn't a serious attack to give him. It's ironic I say that though since I actually want this thing to be called Mariguana.
  13. tennisace

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    i say it should go on the movepool over energy ball actually, even if its just energy ball re-named

    can we put it to a vote? not necessarily called that, but a 95 base power grass cannon attack in general.
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    1. Should this Pokémon get Recovery outside of Rest??
    Yes, Synthesis


    2. Should "Pass the Kutchie" be able to learn:
    -Charge Beam? No
    -Aromatherapy?* Yes
    -Howl? (Y/N) Yes

    Howl should be interesting since he is going learn Flare Blitz and Woodhammer.
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    1. Should this Pokémon get Recovery outside of Rest??
    -No.

    Honestly, I don't really care at this point, because it will be as useful to this Pokemon as it is to Cresselia (which isn't saying much), but I would still prefer it to be kept off for the sake of not making it look like we tried to throw everything we could into its movepool. In my opinion, keeping it off is much better than giving it a move that is presumably "useless."

    2. Should "Pass the Kutchie" be able to learn:
    -Charge Beam? No.

    This should be obvious. At the very beginning most people knew this Pokemon would be very powerful if it got access to competitive moves outside of its STABs and Hidden Power, but as the process went by things like Zap Cannon and Brick Break came up that didn't seem too powerful. I was borderline on Zap Cannon (although I thought it would be interesting to try out) and didn't support Brick Break. Charge Beam is just pushing it for fairly obvious reasons such as a huge support pool and very customized stats.

    -Aromatherapy?* Yes.

    I like it because it puts even more pressure on the competition for a move slot when selecting what you want this Pokemon to do. Functioning much like Celebi, I think Aromatherapy on this would be a nice alternative to Blissey/Celebi.

    -Howl? Yes.

    This is an intriguing addition, and although it makes its physical attacking too viable for my tastes, I think it will turn out well. With tons of support options to choose from, a Howl sweeper is probably the last thing someone would consider when running this Pokemon, which creates the "surprise" when running a rather (in my opinion) inferior Howl set.

    -Dragon Dance? No.
    -Curse? No.

    By the way, another set that should see some popularity:
    Grass Knot
    Lava Plume
    Light Screen
    Synthesis / Rest
    (Synthesis preferred, here, but only if Synthesis makes the cut)

    I don't support "Cannabis Cannon" because it simply adds an unneeded move into the metagame. I also really like the Grass Knot/Energy Ball choice you have to make when choosing a grass move.
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    1. Should this Pokémon get Recovery outside of Rest??
    -Yes, Synthesis

    2. Should "Pass the Kutchie" be able to learn:
    -Charge Beam? (No)
    -Aromatherapy?* (Yes)
    -Howl? (Yes)
    -Dragon dance(Yes)
    -Curse(No)
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    1. Should this Pokémon get Recovery outside of Rest??
    -Yes, Synthesis
    -No, Rest and Leech Seed sapping is more than enough for him to survive.

    2. Should "Pass the Kutchie" be able to learn:
    -Charge Beam? (Y/N)
    -Aromatherapy?*
    -Howl?
    -Dragon Dance? (Y/N)
    -Curse? (Y/N)
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    Synthesis
    Charge Beam
    Aromatherapy
    Howl
    Dragon Dance
    Curse
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    1. Should this Pokémon get Recovery outside of Rest??
    -Yes, Synthesis

    2. Should "Pass the Kutchie" be able to learn:
    -Charge Beam?
    -Aromatherapy?
    -Howl?

    YES TO ALLLLLLLLL!
  20. Gothic Togekiss

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    Not 100% sure about that. Doesn't truly scream "I need a signature move D:" here.

    Also I decided to add DD and Curse onto the list. Originally I was going to redo question #1, but deicded that since this was a spillover poll I'll only put the top two option instead. I may be doing something crazy but I'm sticking to my decision.
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    1. Should this Pokémon get Recovery outside of Rest??
    -Yes, Synthesis
    -No, Rest and Leech Seed sapping is more than enough for him to survive.

    2. Should "Pass the Kutchie" be able to learn:
    -Charge Beam? (Y/N)
    -Aromatherapy?* (Y/N)
    -Howl? (Y/N)
    -Dragon Dance Yes
    -Curse Yes

    Charge Beam, yes, notice that Cress who while having much worse offenses based on satk and type has Calm Mind.

    Aromatherapy, yes, I'd love to have a good aromatherapy pokemon that isn't Blissey or Celebi.

    Howl, for the heck of it. I doubt it'd be broken.

    Dragon Dance will definitely make it stand out as a strong pokemon while not being too powerful. I see it weakening top standards while still being quite counterable.

    I forgot why I voted curse last time. I'm really not sure what my final vote will be on it. However, even without curse it's got great options.
  22. darkie

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    1. Should this Pokémon get Recovery outside of Rest??
    -No, Rest and Leech Seed sapping is more than enough for him to survive.

    No, this thing is incredibly bulky and would be hard enough to take down. Adding even more recovery options will indirectly make it harder and harder to counter.

    2. Should "Pass the Kutchie" be able to learn:
    -Charge Beam? (Y)

    Hidden Power Electric is more powerful, so this seems okay to me. I wouldn't mind about losing this vote, though.

    -Aromatherapy?* (N)

    It doesn't really fit, but I wouldn't mind if I got outvoted on this one, either.

    -Howl? (Y)

    Sure. Basically Dragon Dance minus the Spe Boost.

    -Dragon Dance? (Y)

    Not bad, considering its mediocre Atk, and even worse Spe. For comparision, Tyranitar is rarely seen as a Dragon Dancer, and it has a tremendous 134 base Atk Stat to back it up. This has about 60 Base Stat points worse than that.

    -Curse? (N)

    No defense boosts, imo. It's tough enough to break through 120/105/90 defenses without it Cursing in your face. I think it would be almost worse than Curselax, considering that it has exceptional coverage with just its STABbed attacks.

    Lava Plume > Flamethrower+Will-o-Wisp is perfectly okay for the level-up list. It already learns FT and WoW through TMs and I like Lava Plume on this anyway; I think it fits flavor-wise.
  23. Bluekikatana

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    Yes to everything for me, except for curse (no) on that.
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    1. Should this Pokémon get Recovery outside of Rest??
    -No, Rest and Leech Seed sapping is more than enough for him to survive.

    2. Should "Pass the Kutchie" be able to learn:
    -Charge Beam? Yes
    -Aromatherapy? No
    -Howl? Yes
    -Dragon Dance? No
    -Curse? No
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