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CAP 4 Pre-evos - Final Product

Discussion in 'CAP Pre-Evolution Workshop' started by jas61292, Feb 19, 2013.

  1. jas61292

    jas61292 used substitute
    is a Forum Moderatoris a Community Contributoris a CAP Contributoris a Battle Server Moderator Alumnus

    Sep 30, 2010
    Well, eight and a half weeks have gone by since the first thread opened, and it's been a fun ride, but now this project finally draws to a close. However, before we finish, there is one last thing to attend to: height and weight. Here is what I came up with:

    0.5 m / 1'8"
    4.8 kg / 10.6 lbs

    1.3 m / 4'3"
    341.4 kg / 752.7 lbs

    Look here for reasoning (open)

    Now like bugmaniacbob did for Aurumoth, I wanted to base the weights on calculations using the densities of the matierials that are the Pokemon's namesakes. However, in looking back at his calculations, I noticed that his weight only took into account a single wing. The calculations all make sense, but looking at them, Aurumoth should clearly weight 6 times what it does. However, this could not be a case of error, as Aurumoth clearly weighs exactly what bmb said. I thought for a while, and finally arrived at this explaination:

    Aurumoth uses some sort of psychic power to lessen the density of the its floating wings. While using this ability, the weight of all its plates measure the same as the weight of a single one. For its pre evolutions, this ability has not been fully developed. Cupra, who's two plates are attached to its body, carries the full mass of the copper. Argalis on the other hand, carries the full weight for the 4 acting as a shell, but has developed enough power to cause the two floating wings to only register as one when weighed.

    As for the specific calculations, to start off, I looked at other Pokemon which I could possibly base these off of. I found that Tyranitar was just .1 m shorter than Aurumoth, so I decided to use it as a base. Using that, I made Argalis just taller that Pupitar, much like their evolutions, putting it at 1.3 m. Next, to decide the weight, I decided to go with a method similar to what bmb did for Aurumoth, in that I would calculate a weight for the plates, assuming they are made of their metal namesake. Looking at Argalis, I approximated its plate height as 2/3's of its total height, or 86 2/3 cm. bmb based the volume of Aurumoth's wings as bars of dimentions 100x20x5. Since I now had a new height, I decided to scale down the rest by the same amount:
    86.66/100*20 = 17 1/3 cm
    86.66/100*5 = 4 1/3 cm.
    This puts the final volume at 86 2/3 cm x 17 1/3 cm x 4 1/3 cm = 6509.62963 cm^3. The density of silver near room temperature is 10.49 g·cm^-3. This would put the mass of the bars at 6509.62963 cm^3 * 10.49 g·cm^-3 = 68.2860148 killograms. However, there as explained above, Argalis is carrying the weight of 5 wings, so we multiply by 5 to get the final value of 341.430074 kg, which rounds to 341.4.

    Moving on to Cupra, I once again based it off of the Tyranitar family, this time comparing to Larvitar. However, I imagined Cupra to be on the small side, so I decided to dip .1 m under, rather than over, putting it at .5 m. To do weight, I decided to do the same thing as before, however, with its head being more removed from the body, I aproximated the length of the shell to be 3/5 of its height, putting it at 30 cm. Once again, I did the ratios to determine the other values:
    30/100*20 = 6 cm
    30/100*5 = 1.5 cm
    The final volume is thus 30 cm x 6 cm x 1.5 cm = 270 cm^3. The density of copper is 8.96 g·cm-3. This makes the mass of a wing 270 cm^3 * 8.96 g·cm^-3 = 2.4192 kg. Cupra has 2 wings, so the final weight would be double that or 4.8384 kg, which rounds to 4.8 kg.

    And... that's it. I just want to thank everyone who participated in this project. I know that between PRC and the start of CAP5 that this was not everyone's top priority, but thanks to the great participation we did get, we were able to create some pretty cool Pokemon. Without you all, we would never have great results like this. I've had a great time leading and hope you all enjoyed it, and will continue to stick around and help during CAP5, and anything else that is to follow.

    As this was the first time we have ever made two brand new prevos at once, there were definitely some bumps in the road, and if anyone has any suggestions of how to improve things for the next time, I'm sure whoever will be leading down the road will appreciate it. Either way, that's all from me.

    Here they are. Enjoy!
    Type: Bug/Psychic
    Abilities: Shield Dust/Keen Eye/Illusion
    Stats: 50/60/49/67/30/44
    Evolution: Level 30
    Height: 0.5 m / 1'8"
    Weight: 4.8 kg / 10.6 lbs

    Type: Bug/Psychic
    Abilities: Shed Skin/Compoundeyes/Illusion
    Stats: 60/90/89/87/40/54
    Evolution: Level 50
    Height: 1.3 m / 4'3"
    Weight: 341.4 kg / 752.7 lbs
  2. Lster728


    Feb 5, 2013
    Good job guys! We nailed these pre-evos!
  3. Quanyails

    is an Artistis a Forum Moderatoris a Community Contributor Alumnus

    Dec 16, 2011
    Nice job, jas. :) One less thing to worry about, and I must say that despite the possibilities for contrast with two designs, the connections that link the two in name, designs (both art and sprites), and flavor works perfectly.
  4. Scorpio


    Oct 23, 2010
    Wow. If this line was real Pokemon, Argalis would BY FAR hold the record for most weight gain between evolutions.
  5. ZhengTann

    ZhengTann Nargacuga
    is a Forum Moderator

    Mar 7, 2012
    Part of me can't help but think that "now its time for jas to focus on the real deal". Still, the other part is thinking ""maybe we should give more attention to prevos in the future".

    Well, the reason for the second statement is that it's ever so slightly more casual than real CAPs, so I had a less stressful time working on submissions (I remember holding out from stats submissions during CAP3 Mollux because I couldn't make heads or tails out of BSR). Maybe, just maybe, we can encourage budding contributors to participate in prevos as a kinda workshop to hone their skills? But maybe I'm out of topic here :)

    Anyway, congratulations, and thanks for leading this project jas!
  6. Kadew

    Kadew *bird sounds*
    is an Artist Alumnus

    Oct 4, 2012
    Nice job on these in general, particularly Paintseagull for the adorable arts. That's some pretty slick flavor to explain the weights, jas. Everyone deserves a cupra for winning.
  7. cjrocker


    Mar 13, 2012
    First off, great job with these two. I'd like to echo Kadew's compliment of the weight explanation, that was brilliant. Hats off to everyone involved with this process.

    Now, I'm not sure if pre-evos are done with this mind, but are there plans to ever implement these guys (and all the pre-evos in general) into the CAP server on PS? I don't know how necessary it is or how much effort it would take but it'd certainly make the CAP metagame feel more 'complete,' looking at these stats Eviolite Argalis wouldn't be too shabby in the lower tiers, and maybe even a CAP LC metagame? Assuming there's enough interest and whatnot. Just my thoughts.
  8. DHR-107

    DHR-107 Robot from the Future
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    Dec 26, 2008
    Woohoo! Another CaP prevo set done and dusted! You must of had a lot on your plate with these two to deal with AND then sorting out the start of CaP 5! Thanks to everyone who takes part in these prevo events and the like, it's a really nice thing for the community to be involved with.

    Congrats to everyone involved! Great art and lovely sprites too.

    @CJRocker, chances are they will not be implemented. It's been talked about a few times but nothing super solid has ever come out of it. I would rather they stayed full on fake mon so as not to distract from the CaP propers.
  9. Scron


    Nov 19, 2012
    Cool, yet mysterious. Excellent job to all who participated.

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