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CAP 16 CAP 5 - Part 10 - Non-Attacking Moves Poll

Discussion in 'CAP Process Archive' started by capefeather, Apr 11, 2013.

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  1. capefeather

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    This poll's purpose is to decide by vote whether the moves marked as Controversial in the Non-Attacking Moves Discussion thread will be allowed for Malaconda's movepool (whoa man, alliteration). The linked thread contains the discussion that led to what we are doing now. Note that while disallowed moves will not be allowed in any movepool submission, allowed moves will not necessarily make it to the winning movepool. Also mind the other move discussion thread and the allowed/disallowed moves there.

    The controversial moves we will be voting on are listed below. Spell the move and its qualifying allow/disallow as you see it below when posting. Do not vote to both allow and disallow the same move, as that is nonsensical and will result in your vote being deleted.
    Allow Glare
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    Allow Spikes
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    Allow Stun Spore
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    Allow Thunder Wave
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    This poll operates on the multiple bold voting standard, which is detailed here. Make sure to bold your votes and nothing else and spell them correctly. A vote looks like this:
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    This poll runs for 24 hours.

    CAP 5 so far:

    Name: Malaconda

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    Concept: Type Equalizer (open)


    Typing: Grass / Dark
    Threats: Link
    Primary Ability: Harvest
    Secondary Ability: Infiltrator
    Stats: 115 HP / 100 Atk / 60 Def / 40 SpA / 130 SpD / 55 Spe
  2. Dracoyoshi8

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    Allow Glare
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    let's go Glare hissssss
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    Disallow Glare
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    Just to repeat what I said at the end of the discussion, if you are voting for Glare and not the other paralysis moves, you better have a damn good competitive reason for it.
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    Allow Glare
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  6. capefeather

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    Disallow Glare
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    I noticed the thread icons for previous threads got deleted. reachzero and Rising_Dusk got to do it D:
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    I don't get why we should give Malaconda access to paralysis moves. The majority wanted a slow mon so why should we give it something that offsets this fact? We should've agreed on a faster stat spread then. -_-
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    Disallow Glare
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    For now, I'm abstaining from voting on spikes as I just don't know where to stand on the matter. I feel both sides have put up good arguments. As for paralysis, I feel like Stun Spore forms an ideal compromise, making it an option but not making it the centerpiece of a Malaconda set due to shaky accuracy.

    There's a good chance this'll be edited later. I'm still very open to persuasion on all 4 moves.
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    allow glare
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    Spikes is too much of a general 'goodstuff' move to be allowed. Stun Spore should be allowed because I don't think that paralysis is OP on this. Glare gives us the /same/ paralysis effect as Stun Spore but has better accuracy. People use Stun Spore expecting for it too hit, and having a potentially crucial Para miss could ruin games, whereas Glare has better, but not perfect Acc. Thunder Wave should be disallowed however because of its Perfect Acc and ability to be blocked, killing our momentum, which Sun does not need to have.
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    Allow isn't the same as Required, and so particularly at this stage I prefer when limits are set more generously than they should, sometimes. It leaves more to the Movepoll Submitters to do a good job pruning through options later.

    I do happen to have a competitive reason for the inclusion of paralysis, however - and that is that I find the Ice coverage from Ice Fang that most seem to support to be unwarranted in Malaconda's movepoll. Giving up that option, Glare/Stun Spore will be the move I selected to address Landorus and Dragonite, among others, maybe not hitting them x4 effectively, but by crippling their Speed, allowing Malaconda's teammates to better handle them. And that IMO is pro-concept.

    Regardless, to each their own. See you at the Movepoll Submission stage folks.
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    I could still go either way on Spikes, but I feel we've given Malaconda enough roles as it is. There is such a thing as being too versatile.

    And Fire types like Infernape and Volcorona aren't counters if they can be stunned on the switch and then U-Turned out of before they can even move.
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    If were using paralysis moves, one of our major targets should be landorus, so thunder wave just doesnt make sense
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