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CAP 16 CAP 5 - Part 7 - Secondary Ability Poll 1

Discussion in 'CAP Process Archive' started by capefeather, Mar 14, 2013.

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  1. capefeather

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    So, with Harvest being the elephant in the room, the discussion has come up with five options. The four competitive ability options provide niche benefits against screens, Trick, or status (mainly burns), to address some aspects of the threat list. On the other hand, with Ineffective Ability, we decide that nothing is significant or concept-relevant enough to be a good choice alongside Harvest, and we might decide on a flavor ability after the art polls.

    This poll will be run with IRV voting, the details of which are outlined here. This means that you can vote for as many options as you like, and rank them by your preference. Be aware that order does matter in your votes! Make sure that you bold your votes and nothing else! A typical vote might look like the following:
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    This poll will be open for 24 hours.

    When voting, use only the ability! The possible votes include:
    Ineffective Ability
    Infiltrator
    Leaf Guard
    Sticky Hold
    Water Veil
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    Below is CAP 5 so far:

    Typing: Grass / Dark
    Primary Ability: Harvest
    Stats: 115 HP / 100 Atk / 60 Def / 40 SpA / 130 SpD / 55 Spe
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  2. Sound

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    Water Veil
    Leaf Guard
    Sticky Hold
  3. Birkal

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    Ineffective Ability
    Leaf Guard
    Infiltrator
    Sticky Hold
    Water Veil


    I think Harvest and Harvest alone is the perfect ability for us to pursue our concept with.
  4. erisia

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    Leaf Guard
    Infiltrator
    Sticky Hold
    Ineffective Ability
  5. capefeather

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    Ineffective Ability
    Leaf Guard
    Water Veil
    Sticky Hold
    Infiltrator


    It's not very effective...
  6. Unitas

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    Water Veil
    Leaf Guard
    Ineffective Ability
    Infiltrator


    I really just don't see Infiltrator helping this CAP very much while I believe Water Veil and Leaf Guard both have their merits.
  7. jas61292

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    Infiltrator
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    I don't think we want to encourage sole use of berries, and the minor but useful effects of Infiltrator and Sticky Hold are perfect for this.
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    Sticky Hold
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    Water Veil
  9. Eagle4

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    Sticky Hold
    Leaf Guard
    Infiltrator
    Ineffective Ability
    Water Veil
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    Leaf Guard
    Water Veil
    Sticky Hold
    Infiltrator
    Ineffective Ability

    After considering it more, it is true that even outside of sun Harvest is usually better than Water Veil, so i don't have a concern with this ability anymore.

    My options are based to how much each Ability helps the CAP with sets that can't use Harvest, such as 3 attack + Rapid Spin with Lefties/LO, or 4 attacks with Choice Band. Leaf Guard and Water Veil are both very nice abilities for the above sets and have real and not extremely limited use. Sticky Hold is still an ok ability, but its use is much more limited compared to the other two abilities, and lastly Infiltrator does almost nothing except than deal with the extremely rare Reflect Latias and DS teams.
  11. TerrickTerran

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    Infiltrator
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    Leaf Guard
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    Ineffective Ability
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  14. BrianFantana

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    Infiltrator
    Leaf Guard
    Ineffective Ability
    Water Veil
    Sticky Hold


    So yeah I know I said I was voting Leaf Guard but there were some fair arguments posed against it towards the end of the discussion - I still like it but I think Infiltrator is probably the best choice. Sign of a successful discussion methinks.
  15. Sonic The Hedgedawg

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    Water Veil
    Infiltrator
    Sticky Hold
    Ineffective Ability

    given the stat spread of our CAP, and how mch better harvest is in sunlight, leaf guard IS an ineffective ability in my opinion, so I am not really going to distinguish between the two as far as voting is concerned
  16. psykokitty

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    Leaf Guard
    Sticky Hold
    Ineffective Ability
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    Infiltrator
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    Ineffective Ability
  18. Quickster

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    Ineffective Ability
    Leaf Guard
    Sticky Hold
    Infiltrator
    Water Veil
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    Water Veil
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    Infiltrator
    Ineffective Ability
  20. Qwilphish

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    Ineffective Ability
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  21. TubaKing

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    Leaf Guard
  22. Vann Accessible

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    Leaf Guard
    Ineffective Ability
    Sticky Hold
  23. cjrocker

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    Leaf Guard
    Water Veil
    Infiltrator
    Sticky Hold
  24. BloodGod22

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    Leaf Guard
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    Infiltrator
  25. Full_Korbe

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    Water Veil
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