OK, I'm voting Shockproof. It gives this guy the ability to be a decent check on Zapdos, since with Special Defense investment he will be able to take thunderbolts like a champ. Many of the other top threats can be beaten just with his typing anyway, so if you have a need to beat Zapdos then you can go for this ability!
No Guard seems to turn it away from "checks the top five" and into "annoys the hell out of OU with STAB Dynamicpunch and 100% acc Hydro Pump." It probably wouldn't be overpowered, but it doesn't really fit the theme, and I think we could all do without an additional luck insertion via Dynamicpunch.
tennisace said:
NSA. I don't want Shockproof because the concept of it is ridiculous, and No Guard is insane with Unaware.
Why is the concept ridiculous? There is precedent for this ability in already existing pokemon. And the idea of it is incredibly simple: "Pokemon takes half-damage from electric attacks."
Zerix said:
No Secondary Ability Again, there is no reason for one. Unaware would become the staple anyhow. Shockproof doesn't make sense and it pushing the idea of decentralization a little too far. We don't need it to check every single one of the top five. No Guard could be interesting, but it is unnecessary.
"Doesn't make any sense" is totally irrelevant. If the pokemon turned out to be stretchy and we renamed the ability "rubber hands" then it would make perfect sense; you shouldn't shoot it down just because of the name. Any while it doesn't need to check every single one, doesn't it seem more in the spirit of the concept for it to be able to? Not to mention that, even with this ability, it couldn't check all five at once.
dmlaw said:
No secondary ability, primarily to stop Shockproof, which is wholly ridiculous.
Again, why? Are you referring to conceptual ridiculousness? Or that it would be overpowered? I have already discussed why concept is irrelevant, and the general consensus seems to be that it would be the lesser of the two abilities...so I don't see overpowered.
Jagged Angel said:
- Offensive Zapdos variants can still 2HKO several submitted stat spreads with Thunderbolt
- Zapdos still has Super Effective Flying STAB, plus other reasons why it is a viable STAB to use
Yeah, if Zapdos runs a lot of special attack and you run no special defense...but considering that this ability would likely be used to help against electric attacks - which pretty much comes down to Thunderbolt and HP Elec, except of Evire - then it would likely be running special defense. And Zapdos almost never runs Drill Peck.
- It does not give CAP6 a means to check Zapdos
Celebi can check zapdos, and it's weak to heat wave. This thing can most certainly check Zapdos if it is neutral to thunderbolt.
- It was created solely to allow CAP6 to check Zapdos
lol, this whole thing was created in order to check 4-5 pokemon. Why shouldn't it have an ability which moves it towards that goal?
- It is contrived and looks very random to have an Electric resist Ability on a Water/Fighting pokemon
- It will draw criticisms of fanboyism from other Smogoners and anyone who thinks that Water / Fighting pokemon shouldn't have an Electric resist
As I stated before, it doesn't need to "make sense." We are creating this solely for competitive purposes. Also, as I am someone who is someone who has spent a great deal of time dealing with CaP (I am even a driver on Doug's server), and someone who is also somewhat of an outsider, I can say without bias that "the ability doesn't make sense" is
not where the bad reputation comes from. It comes primarily from the massive bandwagoning and terrible logic (that even goes against the philosophy of CaP) of the posters. If people were not allowed to post their logic for voting outside of discussion threads, and the votes were concealed until the end, you can bet your ass that the outcomes of the votes would be
very different.
- If chosen, it will likely sway the Art Poll towards submissions like Atyroki's which have aspects that could explain the weird Ability (this is very unfair on the other artists)
That's stupid...your point here is that "the art I don't like might not win," which is totally irrelevant since we are dealing only with competitive pokemon. It could be a giant purple cube and still have the same traits.
- It is inherently inferior to Unaware.
It is only inferior if you don't care about stopping electric attacks. It is most certainly
not totally overshadowed by unaware.
kamen rider said:
As for Shockproof, I know a lot of people have argued about needing it so it can check every one of the top 5, but the concept never called for that, all the concepts asks for is a majority and I think 4/5 is a pretty good accomplishment. Plus it doesnt really check Zapdos and outside of Rotom, it really hinders the rest of the OU electrics, which goes against the core concept part about decentralization.
Well it's tough to argue about this before the stats are finalized, but if you give it a decent amount of special defense it could most certainly check Zapdos. Being able to switch into Heat Wave is also a huge plus.
ParaDoxymoron said:
Go, No Secondary Ability!
- Having a type combination that's been used in Pokemon before (Fidgit, Poison/Ground)
- Using the same type twice (Revenankh and this, Fighting)
- Making a mono-type Pokemon (Stratagem, Rock)
- Making a mono-ability Pokemon (this, Unaware)
After No Secondary Ability wins this poll, we'll have made all these checks! Which I really think make this a less-fanboyish project.
lol, there isn't some quota for what makes it more or less fanboyish. And the CAP process is inherently fanboyish, so I dont' see why everyone is rejecting that...as I pointed out before, "fanboyism" is
not why the CAP forum gets a bad reputation.
Frosty said:
I've voted for No Secondary Ability. There is no sense in giving it an ability that it won't use. It will only be a waste of time and space and a unnecessary boost since Unaware already fulfills everything we would want on a decentralizer.
I would use this ability as well. So who is this "no one?"
I realy want no guard, as I find NSA on a CAP kind of a waste. however, with shockproof looking like the only competitor, and I hate the concept of shockproof, I voted NSA to vote against it.
Seriously? This isn't the American Electoral System we're using. We really should be using a blind vote =|
Goldfan said:
That merely backs up his argument, we have created many Pokemon that have the ability to do something else, and like you showed RB some of them have proved not to be "novelty" at all and have proved to actually have some competitive use. This doesn't need a secondary ability, it has one job to do and that is counter many threats, why you we then assign it another job.
How does shockproof "assign it another job"? It merely allows it to check a different set of pokemon. Also, it isn't like it totally relies on Unaware to counter the top threats besides Zapdos.