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CAP 8 CAP 8 - Part 14b - Complete Movepool Poll 3

Discussion in 'CAP Process Archive' started by cyberzero, May 23, 2009.

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Which movepool should we use?

  1. Deck Knight

    64.7%
  2. Umbreon Dan

    35.3%
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  1. cyberzero

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    Our Pokemon so far:

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    Name: Cyclohm
    Type: Electric / Dragon
    Style Bias: Somewhat Defensive
    Build Bias: Mixed, possibly Special
    Ability: Shield Dust/Static
    Stats: 108 HP/60 Atk/118 Def/112 Sp Atk/70 Sp Def/80 Spe

    All the members selected in the Complete Movepool Submission thread should make a final submission to the TL. These submissions should be listed in the OP of the poll thread and voted on by the community. No alterations, edits, or conditional votes will be accepted. By the time the final movepool is polled, all competitive movepool aspects have already been decided. Therefore, the final movepool is really a vote of individual preference on what best fits the flavor of the pokemon.

    This is a clicky poll. Although this is mostly flavor-based, it does have an extremely huge impact on the playtesting, so take the time to read through the movepools and make intelligent choices.
  2. Matthew

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    What I have against Dan's is that he gives it many Fire-type attacks, which can go on almost any set. At least when I look at Deck Knight's I know that I cannot have a supporter with a Fire-type attack. Not only that but Double Screen just seems a bit superfluous on this pokemon, he has a very good Defense and HP stat, why do we want to boost that by allowing him Reflect? I also do want to say I never have seen why everyone wants Mist Ball allowed on this pokemon, but that is just me. I also do not like how Stealth Rocks was placed on it, it doesn't hurt anything, but we might as well not make Stealth Rock any more dominant in a metagame than it already is.
  3. Deck Knight

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    May the best man win UD, good luck.
  4. Gothic Togekiss

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    DK and UB have Flamethrower within their submission and FT is just a lesser Fire Blast so it's not farfeteched to see it use Fire Blast. We also have to understand how Overheat is even done which still bothers me to this day. Is it a stream of super hot fire, an explosion of superheated air, or something else?
  5. Aerodactyl Legend

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    Hm, at this point it's coming down to specific moves and who has em. I'll be casting the vote in a lil bit after a few more minutes of analysis. It won't be easy to choose though. Good luck to both of you.
  6. SEO

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    Im still sticking with Deck Knight. I dont like that Umbreon Dan's submission has access to Fire Blast, I think that Over Heat is flavorwise nicer, and competitevly more balanced.
  7. Staraptor Call

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    I'm going with Deck Knight's submission. In don't want Cyclohm to have Stealth Rock, becuase the rocks are already too dominant. Umbreon Dan gives Cyclohm Fire Blast, and that would make it too much of an offensive threat. I like how the Deck Knight movepool makes you choose between fire and support.
  8. Lord Blood

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    For the same reasons that are already stated, I'll go with Deck Knight. Seems like his is overall, more thought out. Vacuum Wave is a great benefit, and I don't think Dual Screens is necessary.
  9. Aerodactyl Legend

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    So it's ok for Salamence to have Fire Blast, but not Cyclohm...? I can underststand some flavor reasoning at this point, but saying that move will be completely unbalanced isn't true.
  10. Umbreon Dan

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    Actually, I'm quite pleased with myself as it is. This is easily the farthest I've ever gotten in any CAP poll. You're a good man, DK, and it looks like you're going to win, so I congratulate you.

    Though I do wish you had given your submission Zap Cannon :(
  11. zach the great

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    Going with Deck Knight, but one thing. How can Cyclohm punch? I've seen Ghastly though, so not a surprise.
  12. ParadOxymoron

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    See, now that it's been narrowed down to only two candidates rather than 7488932170312 million, I can actually vote instead of abstaining, because I know that any vote I make without thoroughly examining each submission would be ultimately arbitrary and uninformed. That's why I haven't been voting in the move polls.

    But yes, Deck Knight it is! I just don't want this thing to have Stealth Rock. And this Punching >>> Kitsunoh punching, anyway.... It's only moderately less legitimate than Metagross anyway. (I know that this does not matter. I believe that Kitsunoh should have ThunderPunch. I just wish that Doug's design had won, so that the flavor hadn't ended up being so off with the mechanical blueprint to which we had to adhere, a'ight! :))
  13. Deck Knight

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    To be honest my thoughts on design is that this is 90% cloud and is thus effectively amorphous and can transform into the shape of a giant cloud fist. It doesn't really have organs so much as it can make them appear to be so by restructuring itself.

    When it is in a bad mood it withdraws its heads and just rains on a random trainer, ala The Munsters house.
  14. Gothic Togekiss

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    Pierce the heavens with your almighty power.

    I would like to mention that one should check both movepools thoroughly before voting and/or making a comment about them. You have a good 24-48 hours of thinking time to make an decision so they're no rush. Vote for the one you think best fulfilled your desires the most, not who's the most well-known and any other weird reason.

    Overheat as a flavor move still bugs me though
  15. cyberzero

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    Please, going over the past and disagreeing with previous polls is not the goal here. Once again, it's always a negative connotation. Also, if you did not want to go through the submissions from the previous polls, how do you know that the best possible movepool made it here? There are inevitably a large number of random and arbitrary votes here.
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    It's actually really close for me, but I'm going with Umbreon Dan. What really did it for me was Growth, not to mention the multitude of moves for flavor that I thought were cool. I thought Curse was a good idea, but I really liked the idea of boosting SpA in a non-broken way.
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    Why does get just overheat by egg and not by TM as well.

    I like both of them actually. I see no major differences accept that the second set offers more support moves, and Fireblast.
  18. Gothic Togekiss

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    DK wanted to use Ninetales/Energy Ball logic on you kiddies because it's a clever way of saying "I didn't want this move but want it to pull the crowd in" and maybe a balancing issue though would anyone use DM&Overheat together? Personally I always found that somewhat double standardish to me. People complain about X can't learn Y because of Z reasoning(s) despite the fact they're exceptions to X and Y, but then we suddenly agree on another exception without thinking that doing so give off mix messages. This probably can apply to flavor issues as well since they're plauged with exceptions.
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    The Breed Moves was about separating Overheat from Hydro Pump. Either of them can be used with Draco Meteor. My thought process would be that allowing Overheat and Hydro Pump on a Specs set together would be overkill. Specsmence is already a menace and it doesn't have an awesome second STAB attack to put on the set. To be blunt, I thought Thunderbolt/Draco Meteor/Overheat/Hydro Pump @ Choice Specs would be too overpowering.

    "Blissey" yeah, and if that's gone?
  20. Umbreon Dan

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    I don't think it makes much difference. I would use Surf over Hydro Pump even if I had a choice. Also, Vacuum Wave deserves mention on a Specs set.
  21. diinbong

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    Went with Deck Night's submission, but fantastic job both of you!
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    Just a quick question: why do the sets have Dragon Dance? I find it distracts Cyclohm from its main purpose (as a Special-inclined tank), and instead promotes gimmicky Physical Sweeper sets which, considering its pretty crappy Attack, aren't going to be exploring its maximum potential.
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    The movepools have Dragon Dance because the creators decided that it would be in there, for their specific reasons then you'll need to PM them. I don't think that many people would try a very poor gimmick Dragon Dance set when using this pokemon as tank would be much more helpful. But in the world of pokemon a lot of moves are on pokemon which can be used as "gimmicks" like Magnet Rise on Dialga or Tail Glow on illumise.
  24. Objection

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    What if Hydro Pump nets a few OHKOs or 2HKOs that Surf doesn't? Assuming Leftovers.
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    I've been following this how pokemon since it started, more or less lurked it. Never really got into posting until now (hopefully I can be more involved in the next CaP). Anyway getting down to the point, I'm voting for Deck Knight due to the fact that its more rounded and on a sense more "fairer". That's why he got my vote.

    Forgot to mention, good job to the both of you. Let the best set win haha.
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