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CaP Prevos - Embirch & Flarelm - Movepool Poll

Discussion in 'CAP Pre-Evolution Workshop' started by DHR-107, Sep 11, 2017.

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  1. DHR-107

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    Hi All, time for this to start up!

    Two entries were submitted this time around!


    This will be a single bold vote, which means that you vote for only one of the submissions. A typical vote might look like the following:
    Please post only your votes in this thread. Do not respond to other posts, or your posts will be moderated and you may be warned. You are allowed to say whatever you like in relation to your vote at the bottom of your post, but please do not look to begin a discussion. Keep those comments to #cap on IRC.

    Do not campaign. Do not ask for votes in any way. Do not ask for something not to receive votes in any way. You have one vote and one vote only, so use it on your own and do not try to unfairly move in multiple votes for your favorite / against your least favorite entries. Your vote and all of the votes you brought in through campaigning will be deleted and further consequences are very likely, including infractions.

    Those two people and their movesets:

    G-Luke - CaP Prevos - Embirch & Flarelm - Updates

    Drew - CaP Prevos - Embirch & Flarelm - Updates

    Those names again with no formatting:

    G-Luke
    Drew

    Have at it! You huys have about 24-36 hours!
  2. Drew

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    Good Luck G-Luke!
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    G-Luke
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    Good luck to you too Drew
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    G-Luke

    G-Luke appears to intend Double-Edge as a Heart Scale move for Flarelm in the description for Flarelm's movepool, which makes sense. Heart Scale moves don't work the way Drew intends. In-game, Embirch would get Double-Edge at level 1 because there aren't four other level 1 moves overriding it.
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    Okay, so because I am a donut, I missed a crucial thing here. Also it's a tie right now.

    Drew G-Luke

    Could you please both fix the problem with Double Edge on both of your Embirch Submissions. Both of you have it as being learnt at Level 0 for Embirch, which means it is born with the move. It would preferable if this was not the case. Please post in this thread with the change you make and why you made that change. Double Edge was a Gen 4 level up move for Embirch to give you some idea. I will then cast a deciding vote based on the movepools above and the changes you make to Double Edge.
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    Embirch
    Level-Up Moves (open)
    - Sweet Scent
    - Bullet Seed
    5 Ember
    10 Leech Seed
    14 Synthesis
    19 Flame Wheel
    23 Seed Bomb
    28 Growth
    32 Giga Drain
    37 Double-Edge
    41 Lava Plume
    46 Petal Dance
    Egg Moves (open)
    (Dragon / Monster) (close)
    Aromatherapy
    Counter
    Dragon Breath
    Fire Spin (Charizard, Turtonator)
    Grass Whistle
    Grassy Terrain (Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, Torterra)
    Petal Blizzard (Venusaur, Meganium)
    Psybeam
    Revenge
    Sand Tomb
    Water Sport
    Tutor Moves (open)
    Block
    Earth Power
    Giga Drain
    Heat Wave
    Iron Defense
    Iron Head
    Iron Tail
    Seed Bomb
    Snore
    Stealth Rock
    Synthesis
    Worry Seed
    Zen Headbutt
    TMs (open)
    TM05 Roar
    TM06 Toxic
    TM10 Hidden Power
    TM11 Sunny Day
    TM16 Light Screen
    TM17 Protect
    TM20 Safeguard
    TM21 Frustration
    TM22 Solar Beam
    TM27 Return
    TM32 Double Team
    TM35 Flamethrower
    TM38 Fire Blast
    TM39 Rock Tomb
    TM42 Façade
    TM43 Flame Charge
    TM44 Rest
    TM48 Round
    TM50 Overheat
    TM61 Will-O-Wisp
    TM75 Swords Dance
    TM78 Bulldoze
    TM80 Rock Slide
    TM86 Grass Knot
    TM87 Swagger
    TM88 Sleep Talk
    TM90 Substitute
    TM93 Wild Charge
    TM96 Nature Power
    TM100 Confide
    Transfer (open)
    Endure (Gen 4 TM58)
    Headbutt (Gen 4 Tutor)
    Incinerate (Gen 5 / Gen 6 TM59)
    Mud-Slap (Gen 4 Move Tutor)
    Natural Gift (Gen 4 TM83)
    Rock Smash (Gen 4 / ORAS HM06, Gen 5 / XY TM94)
    Secret Power (Gen 4 TM43)
    Strength (Gen 6 HM04)

    Flarelm
    Level-Up Moves (open)
    - Double-Edge
    - Sweet Scent
    - Bullet Seed
    Evolve: Flame Burst
    5 Ember
    10 Leech Seed
    14 Synthesis
    19 Flame Wheel
    23 Seed Bomb
    28 Growth
    32 Giga Drain
    37 Iron Defense
    37 Amnesia
    46 Lava Plume
    50 Petal Dance
    Egg Moves (open)
    Aromatherapy
    Counter
    Dragon Breath
    Fire Spin (Charizard, Turtonator)
    Grass Whistle
    Grassy Terrain (Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, Torterra)
    Petal Blizzard (Venusaur, Meganium)
    Psybeam
    Revenge
    Sand Tomb
    Water Sport
    Tutor Moves (open)
    Block
    Dragon Pulse
    Earth Power
    Giga Drain
    Heat Wave
    Iron Defense
    Iron Head
    Iron Tail
    Low Kick
    Seed Bomb
    Snore
    Stealth Rock
    Synthesis
    Worry Seed
    Zen Headbutt
    TMs (open)
    TM05 Roar
    TM06 Toxic
    TM10 Hidden Power
    TM11 Sunny Day
    TM16 Light Screen
    TM17 Protect
    TM20 Safeguard
    TM21 Frustration
    TM22 Solar Beam
    TM26 Earthquake
    TM27 Return
    TM32 Double Team
    TM35 Flamethrower
    TM38 Fire Blast
    TM39 Rock Tomb
    TM42 Façade
    TM43 Flame Charge
    TM44 Rest
    TM48 Round
    TM50 Overheat
    TM61 Will-O-Wisp
    TM69 Rock Polish
    TM75 Swords Dance
    TM78 Bulldoze
    TM80 Rock Slide
    TM82 Dragon Tail
    TM86 Grass Knot
    TM87 Swagger
    TM88 Sleep Talk
    TM90 Substitute
    TM91 Flash Cannon
    TM93 Wild Charge
    TM96 Nature Power
    TM100 Confide
    Transfer (open)
    Ancient Power (Gen 4 Move Tutor)
    Endure (Gen 4 TM58)
    Flash (Gen 4 TM70)
    Headbutt (Gen 4 Tutor)
    Incinerate (Gen 5 / Gen 6 TM59)
    Mud-Slap (Gen 4 Move Tutor)
    Natural Gift (Gen 4 TM83)
    Rock Smash (Gen 4 / ORAS HM06, Gen 5 / XY TM94)
    Secret Power (Gen 4 TM43)
    Strength (Gen 6 HM04)

    Removed Amnesia and Iron Defense at level 37 for Double-Edge, as after review with snake it looks too defensively weak to really have access to them justifiably, and they don't affect it competitively. Flarelm keeps it at level 0 though since we feel it fits better on a middle evolution.
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    Level Up (open)

    0 Sweet Scent
    0 Bullet Seed
    5 Ember
    9 Leech Seed
    13 Synthesis
    17 Flame Wheel
    21 Seed Bomb
    25 Growth
    29 Giga Drain
    34 Iron Defense
    34 Amnesia
    39 Double Edge
    43 Lava Plume
    48 Petal Dance


    For Embirch, I made it have a 4-4-4 level up pattern til evolution, in which a 4-5-5 pattern develops. I basically kept to Pyroak's movepool, with a few notable exceptions. I paid homage to the original movepool creator's wishes by leaving out both Wood Hammer and Flare Blitz, as well as including Double Edge in its regular level up pool. I consciously omitted several moves however, that I believe Embirch would not be able to execute due to snakes's flavour reasoning. Heat Crash, due to Embirch not yet fully harnessing the ability to use fiery cloaked tackles. Also kicked Flash Cannon has It doubt it has the ability to fire light based attacks. Finally I didn't Burn Up as Embirch just is not ready for it.

    Edit: I think the consensus is Chlorophyll is the favoured ability for Embirch, so I removed Aromatic Mist.



    So regarding the Double Edge issue, I decided on removing Zap Cannon. I surmised that if Embirch cannot produce light energy, it most likely cannot fire off a massive electrical blast. So I instead shifted down the other moves and placed Double Edge at level 39, as I wanted to preserve the Iron Defense / Amnesia pattern for the entire family, while also thinking it can provide it with a sort of niche in CAP LC.
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    So after reviewing them again, my vote would be for Drew. As this is the deciding vote, Drew would win the Movepool 6 votes to 5! Thanks for everyone for being involved and getting another Pokemon sorted!
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