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CAP Revision CAP Revision - Syclant: Final thread

Discussion in 'CAP Policy Review' started by eric the espeon, Nov 13, 2008.

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  1. eric the espeon

    eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood
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    Previous thread: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48109

    We have now finished Syclant's revision process, here is what has been decided on:

    Our new stat spread for Syclant is:
    70 / 116 / 70 / 114 / 65 / 115

    Movepool:
    - Scratch
    - Leer
    - Leech Life
    7 Leech Life
    10 Ice Shard
    14 Knock Off
    18 Slash
    23 Bite
    29 Swords Dance
    32 X-Scissor
    40 Night Slash
    49 Ice Fang
    55 Bug Buzz
    64 Sheer Cold

    Removed:
    Thunder fang
    Fire fang
    Focus Energy

    Added:
    Scratch
    Swords Dance (Already a TM)
    Ice Fang

    Moved:
    Ice Shard (From Lv. - to Lv. 10)
    Icy Wind (To Tutor moves)
    Ice Punch (to Tutor moves)

    TMs/HMs
    TM 03 Water Pulse
    TM 06 Toxic
    TM 07 Hail
    TM 10 Hidden Power
    TM 12 Taunt
    TM 13 Ice Beam
    TM 14 Blizzard
    TM 15 Hyper Beam
    TM 17 Protect
    TM 18 Rain Dance
    TM 19 Giga Drain
    TM 21 Frustration
    TM 27 Return
    TM 28 Dig
    TM 31 Brick Break
    TM 32 Double Team
    TM 39 Rock Tomb
    TM 40 Aerial Ace
    TM 41 Torment
    TM 42 Facade
    TM 43 Attract
    TM 44 Secret Power
    TM 45 Attract
    TM 46 Thief
    TM 51 Roost
    TM 54 False Swipe
    TM 56 Fling
    TM 58 Endure
    TM 60 Drain Punch
    TM 62 Silver Wind
    TM 65 Shadow Claw
    TM 66 Payback
    TM 68 Giga Impact
    TM 70 Flash
    TM 72 Avalanche
    TM 75 Swords Dance
    TM 78 Captivate
    TM 80 Rock Slide
    TM 81 X-Scissor
    TM 82 Sleep Talk
    TM 83 Natural Gift
    TM 84 Poison Jab
    TM 87 Swagger
    TM 89 U-Turn
    TM 90 Substitute
    HM 01 Cut
    HM 04 Strength
    HM 06 Rock Smash
    Removals:
    Light Screen
    Reflect
    Steel Wing
    Focus Blast
    Embargo
    Flash Cannon
    Fly

    Added:
    Giga Drain

    Egg Moves
    Earth Power
    Counter
    Air Slash
    Crunch
    Tail Glow
    Metal Claw (Scizor)

    Removed:
    Super Power
    Spikes

    Added:
    Metal Claw


    Tutor moves
    Air Cutter
    Fury Cutter
    Ice Punch
    Icy Wind
    Knock Off
    Swift
    Bounce
    Earth Power
    Mud Slap
    Signal Beam
    Snore

    All new or moved form another part of its movepool.

    Note that move legality has now changed.
    If someone could go over it it would be good.



    Also just testing the waters here but who thinks we should sort out 'ants dex entry's?

    Dex Entry 1: "The icicles on SYCLANT's back grow bigger as it gets older, the older a SYCLANT is the longer the icicles are. The icicles are 100x stronger than any POKEMON's bone and razor sharp."

    Dex Entry 2: "Wild SYCLANTs are very aggressive, so much so that they live alone. They train by breaking apart large glaciers."

    Dex Entry 3: "Wild SYCLANT are fearsome predators. Even in harsh blizzards they can quickly chase down their prey with stunning agility. Should a DELIBIRD find itself near a colony, it would be swarmed almost immediately."


    So what effects will these changes have on Syclant's use?
  2. TekkenStorm

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    You forgot to add Ice Punch to the removed list and Ice Fang to the Added list.
  3. darkie

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    Why do the Dex entries even matter?
  4. Iron Bidoof

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    I'm sure there's some kind of plan for them.

    Anyways, I like the fact that you have a realistic move set for Syclant. Looks really good!
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    And I'm sure you're wrong. We have absolutely no plan for them, and we're going to stop doing them (hopefully).
  6. Iron Bidoof

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    Thanks, I appreciate that. :\
    But that clears things up, at least.
  7. darkie

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    e_e that was a rhetorical question I already knew the answer to.
  8. Lawman

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    Perhaps 2 can be changed to something like "Wild Adult SYCLANTs are very aggressive, which causes them to live alone. They train by breaking apart large glaciers." Or something of that sort.

    iirc i submitted the 3rd dex entry o_o
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    I'd imagine we do the dex entries because flavor matters to some people?

    Take away flavor, and you're left with chess.
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    Like these projects don't have enough flavor, the Art is there for that and unlike Pokedex it has actual interest and doesn't stop the momentum of the projects every single time.
  11. eric the espeon

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    Fixing.

    And the question of if we should continue doing Dex entry's is for another thread.
    What is needed for this thread is to know if we should sort out an existing conflicting dex entry.

    Edit: Also the analysis is going to need a rewrite from all these changes.
  12. Helios

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    How about something like this?;

    Dex Entry 2: Wild SYCLANT become even more aggressive as they get older and eventually leave their colonies. Lost travellers have often reported seeing them training alone on the scenery.
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    I think the matter eric is trying to highlight is that one dex entry says they live alone, whereas the other says they live in a colony. But if Dex entries don't matter at all and are going to be stopped soon then I don't see this as any cause for concern.

    The new spread and nerfed movepool seem a lot more sensible competitively. And without Focus Blast and Superpower, this thing might not be as overpowering as it used to be with the loss of Fighting's excellent coverage.

    Eric, you might want to remove the bit about the Pokedex entries so that people actually focus on the stuff that matters, instead of saying how the dex entry should be changed.

    LR.
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    How's about:
    Dex Entry 1: When SYCLANTs are born, the icicles on their backs are rounded and smooth. Years of fighting other SYCLANTs whittle them down to razor-sharp points.
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    if everyone is so deadset on having something as useless dex entries in our process, as least remember that plural pokemon names are the same as singular pokemon names. One Blissey, Two Blissey.
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    My bad, just going off the first post *points at Dex Entry 2*
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