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Celebi (Baton Pass) [QC 3/3]

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by Pocket, Sep 26, 2012.

  1. Pocket

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    Writing this up separately from yee's Celebi revamp

    [SET]
    name: Baton Pass
    move 1: Baton Pass
    move 2: Calm Mind / Nasty Plot
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Substitute / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 224 SpD / 32 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    Calm Mind > Nasty Plot, since it is much easier to pass CM boosts than NP boosts.
    101 HP Sub makes Chansey / Blissey set-up fodder and protects the CM recipient on the turn of Baton Pass
    Substitute also blocks Dragon Tail - Careful Dragonite's Dragon Tail does not break Celebi's Substitute. After 3 CMs, not even Rain Tank's Hurricane would break Celebi's Substitute most of the time.
    Specially Defensive spread makes setting up CMs on special sweepers much easier.
    HP Fire can be used over Substitute to take out Skarmory before it can phaze Celebi's special attack boosts.
    Many Rain Pokemon are set-up fodder for Celebi

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    Thunder Wave gives it 25% fp chance of BP success against phazers, and it's a generally good utility move.
    Earth Power to dispatch Heatran, which may phaze Celebi
    84 SpA to OHKO specially defensive Heatran with a +2 Earth Power or a physically defensive Skarmory with a +2 HP Fire
    72 Spe to beat Modest Heatran to the punch.
    Swords Dance & Seed Bomb / Zen Headbutt to pass Atk boosts
    Magic Coat / Espeon to cockblock phazers
    Recover to keep it healthy
    Rain support is nice to ensure Leftovers recovery and halving Fire moves. Obviously Celebi wouldn't use HP Fire in this case.
    Special sweepers that benefits from a few SpA boosts, such as Thundurus-T, Keldeo, Starmie, Latios, Volcarona.
    Wish Passer / Heal Wisher, such as Jirachi to keep Celebi healthy.
    Teammates that can deal with Scizor, PSong Celebi, Volcarona, and Tornadus. Heatran is a good answer to many of them; Scizor can Pursuit-trap Celebi / Tornadus; Jirachi is the best answer to Tornadus; Gyarados checks Scizor & Volcarona.
    NP + Tanga Berry
  2. giggity69

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    Looks good for the most part.

    I would slash swords dance in after NP since it is basically the same thing for a physical recipient. Also, if it is focusing primarily on calm mind passing, wouldn't a physically defensive spread work well?
    Also note that scarf genesect IS definitely a problem, and CM will give it an attack boost to OHKO you with before you can baton pass out.

    Terrakion is a cool partner to pass SD to because it resists fire, bug, and gets an attack boost from non pursuit dark moves.
  3. ginganinja

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    might be too gimmicky Pocket but in AC you could mention Tanga Berry which would let you survive a U-Turn from Choice Scarf Genesect (unless I fucked up my calcs which is entirely possible) and let you Baton Pass your boost to whatever they U-Turned into. (Or you can go for a second boost I guess if you predict them going to something that cannot KO you before you BP out). Might be better in OO tho, up to you.

    (If I fucked up my calcs pls ignore what I just said xD)
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    hey pocket~~~~~

    write this up or let someone else do it. this is like half a year old! :o
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    If you guys want QC input on it, SubBP Celebi is still good, and got a bit better with Tornadus-T banned. Just tried it out on a random BP team and it did pretty good, so this definitely can still be written up.
  6. Shurtugal

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    I would AC hitting 265 speed. NP passing to scarf Keldeo in rain......, <3

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