It's not a presumption, it's fact. Like you said, you can win games through offense, can you through defense? You can merely not lose. And I'm not understanding why you're constantly bringing up Suicune. Lugia is better than Suicune, but what the hell does that prove in terms of it being better than Snorlax? Suicune is common, sure, but Snorlax IS GSC. This sounds like a case of you underrating Snorlax more than anything. In no way am I saying Lugia is bad, Lugia is a great Pokemon, Snorlax is just better. @green_flash: I'm saying Ho-oh will not go a long way in terms of sweeping any decently built OU team. You're just arguing semantics. I wouldn't switch Ho-oh into any Raikou packing Thunder, nor T-tar, and as with the case of Suicune, it's more what-the-hell-am-I-trying-to-prove-and-where's-MY-Raikou? To humor you though, Suicune/Raikou/Snorlax, orrr y'know, just Snorlax. Furthermore, none of that disestablishes my claim that Ho-Oh does not make the top 6 list. Nor 7 I'd say. Nor 8. Probably fluctuating around the 10th in terms of sheer awesomeness by its lonesome. It doesn't help its case that it doesn't synergize particularly well with any of the current OU Pokemon. It's more of a standalone hard-hitter, which further drops its usability rank, probably into the upper teens or even 20s. Ho-oh needs Cross Chop.